Found this that may help also Christian is used exclusively as a woman's name. Jean is sometimes given as a woman's name, and has been left as written, but it is almost always a phonetic spelling of Jane. Annis and Raffe/Rafe are the usual vernacular forms of Agnes and Ralph. Some formerly common names are obsolete now (e.g. Parnel/Pernel, an old form of Petronella, and Anstice, from Anastasia). Bev

Hi Julia, Thanks for your efforts. Unfortunately not. Caroline KING was the daughter of Thomas KING and Frances nee BAKER from Mount Charles. She appears in the 1841 census living with her parents at Mount Charles. In the 1851 census there is a Caroline KING aged 17 who is a servant in the household of William and Jane Guy at Bull Ring while Anna Maria JP is living at home with her parents Nicholas and Anna at Union Road .. Co-incidentally though Anna Maria also had an elder sister named Caroline. Thomas is most likely the son of David KING and Mary BAWDEN who were married at St Austell on 17 Nov 1798 and Thomas was possibly christened at Stoke Damerel in Devon on 8 Sep 1799 although this has not been confirmed. The 1871 census gives his place of birth as Stonehouse in Devon. Caroline also had a sister Frances born about 1828 for whom I also cannot find a baptism but interestingly there is one for James Bawden KING who was born 17 Jan 1831 and christened 6 Mar 1831. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julia Mosman Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 9:20 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Caroline KING - or another given name? Hello Christine - Might this be your Kate? 1834 5-Jan KING Anna Maria Nicholas father Ann mother Tregorrick abode farmer occupation She was the only daughter of a KING baptised in St Austell, at Holy Trinity CofE church that year. Given the discussion re given names, and how they changed, I thought she might fill the bill, so to speak. I had a Carolyn who changed into Patience!!! (have never figured that out) Hope everyone remembers that Joan was often spelled JONE in early records. We've lots of those in our line. Regards, Julia

My Melchizedek cousins all have Tremayne as surname, from Constantine and Wendron parishes. A ?X gt gmother brought the name into the Tremayne family from Crowan parish. I do not have my files with me at present, but I seem to remember that Gideon was another Biblical favourite in this family. Francis Dr Francis E Dunstan, On 25/11/2012 22:05, [email protected] wrote: > Hello, > > Thank you all. This on-going discussion has been very informative. > > I have seen a Jennifer (Jenny) ROWE and a Jenefer (Jenny) HAMLY in the > Cragoe/Crago line. > > I have also come across an early marriage of a Cragoe to a woman with the > FRANCIS surname. Thereafter, at first only Francis was used for sons in > the line, but later both Francis and Frances were used as given names for > male and female children for multi-generations. During the late 19th > century, Francis became Frank. This may due in part to Naming Patterns being > utilized. > > Thomas, Phillips, Stephens, and Nicholls may be similar surnames which > evolved into given names. > > I have come across Robin used for Robert. Such as Robin Hood (Robyn > Hode) of Sherwood Forest actually being Robert Hereward or Robert Earl of > Huntington. > > And since my Cragoe/Crago Cornish family in the Liskeard region were both C > of E and Separatists, new testament names were often used, such as > Thomas, James, John, Hannah, Elizabeth, Mary, and Sarah. As well as Old > Testament names of Abednego, Hezekiah, and, the wonderful name, Melchizedek. > > Regards, > > Steade > > >

Hi Ian, I'm trying to help out an older fellow researching his Pascoe family. Would you be able to find the Crowan baptism of Thomas Henry PASCOE, born in 1857 in Crowan? There are 2 possible birth registrations for your relative Thomas H. Pascoe. 1). Thomas Henry Pascoe, birth reg. Mar Qtr 1857, Helston Reg. District, Vol. 5c, page 226. 2). Thomas Henry Pascoe, birth reg. Dec Qtr 1857, Helston Reg. District, Vol. 5c, page 243. His parents were Thomas Pascoe and Jane Rogers, married on 26 July 1851, Crowan Parish. 1861 Census:- living at Townsend, Crowan Parish: Pascoe, Thomas, Head of the Household, married, age 28, born Breage , Cornwall, Tin Dresser; Jane, Wife, 27, born Camborne, Cornwall; Richard, Son, 8, Scholar, born Crowan; and Thomas H. Son, 5, Scholar, born Crowan. The 1871 Census:- Living at Rose Cottage Row, Camborne: Pascoe, Thomas, Head, married, 41, Tin Miner at Surface, born Sithney; Jane, Wife, 37, born Camborne; Thomas H. Son, 13, Boy At Tin Dressing, born Crowan; John, Son, 9, Scholar, born Crowan; and Joseph, son, 7 months, born Camborne. He emigrated to the Pennsylvania after that. Many thanks for any time you have for this one. Best wishes, Rowena

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Hello Christine - Might this be your Kate? 1834 5-Jan KING Anna Maria Nicholas father Ann mother Tregorrick abode farmer occupation She was the only daughter of a KING baptised in St Austell, at Holy Trinity CofE church that year. Given the discussion re given names, and how they changed, I thought she might fill the bill, so to speak. I had a Carolyn who changed into Patience!!! (have never figured that out) Hope everyone remembers that Joan was often spelled JONE in early records. We've lots of those in our line. Regards, Julia Please visit my website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell for spreadsheets of parish register transcriptions, maps, and photographs of the area > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Tregonning > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012 5:59 AM > To: 'MARJORIE KING'; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Variations on names > > Hi Marjorie, > > The reason that I posted this is that I wasn't aware of the connection > between Caroline and Kate (Katie, Kitty, Kit) although it slowly dawned on > me. I am sure that there are others in this position. Interestingly my > ancestor was a Caroline KING who was born in St Austell about 1834 although > I have never been able to find her baptism. > > For those of us with Scottish heritage other variations of Jane are Jean, > Janet, and Jessie. > > Regards, > > Christine > >

Hello, Thank you all. This on-going discussion has been very informative. I have seen a Jennifer (Jenny) ROWE and a Jenefer (Jenny) HAMLY in the Cragoe/Crago line. I have also come across an early marriage of a Cragoe to a woman with the FRANCIS surname. Thereafter, at first only Francis was used for sons in the line, but later both Francis and Frances were used as given names for male and female children for multi-generations. During the late 19th century, Francis became Frank. This may due in part to Naming Patterns being utilized. Thomas, Phillips, Stephens, and Nicholls may be similar surnames which evolved into given names. I have come across Robin used for Robert. Such as Robin Hood (Robyn Hode) of Sherwood Forest actually being Robert Hereward or Robert Earl of Huntington. And since my Cragoe/Crago Cornish family in the Liskeard region were both C of E and Separatists, new testament names were often used, such as Thomas, James, John, Hannah, Elizabeth, Mary, and Sarah. As well as Old Testament names of Abednego, Hezekiah, and, the wonderful name, Melchizedek. Regards, Steade In a message dated 11/22/2012 4:51:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Dear List, In my Cornish research, I have also come across a female baptized Christian, who was later documented as Christiana, Christina, and Kitty. An Aurelia, whose daughter was baptized Aurelia, but went by Amelia until after her mother had died, and was then documented using Aurelia. A Cecilia shortened to Celia and Selia as an adult. A Mary Ann called Nancy as a child. A Janet, who used Nettie as an adult. These instance were all in the 1800's. Kind regards to all, Rowena -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Tregonning Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012 5:59 AM To: 'MARJORIE KING'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Variations on names Hi Marjorie, The reason that I posted this is that I wasn't aware of the connection between Caroline and Kate (Katie, Kitty, Kit) although it slowly dawned on me. I am sure that there are others in this position. Interestingly my ancestor was a Caroline KING who was born in St Austell about 1834 although I have never been able to find her baptism. For those of us with Scottish heritage other variations of Jane are Jean, Janet, and Jessie. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MARJORIE KING Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012 11:02 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Variations on names My father's sister, baptised Caroline, was known as Kit. Marjorie King ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello - here's my small contribution. So long ago that I've forgotten which play it was (sorry!) I read one by either Wilde or Shaw, c. 1880-1900, with a character called Jennifer. An englishman queried it because it was completely foreign to him, and she explained that it was the cornish form of the welsh Guinevere. That does make philological sense. In the same period Jenny was the conventional pet form of Jane in England and the USA. I don't know of any link with Ginevra, but that was the given name of Indiana author Gene Stratton Porter and was actually dutch: no celtic associations there. Here in Victoria I have a collateral from Cornwall called Ketura or Kitura, apparently known here as Catherine by extension from the pet form Kitty - one day I must find out how many registrars and clerks were cornish as opposed to english, because that would have an important influence on how they recorded names - so I went to the book that every geneaolgist needs: Bancroft's *Concise Bible Dictionary*, by James P. Boyd (USA: Ottenheimer, 1958). Keturah was one of Abraham's wives; Boyd gives book, chapter and verse and a guide to pronunciation. He's equally useful for Tryphena. The key facts about names in Cornwall are that it is not part of England and the language is not germanic but celtic; that post 1737 it was a country of Dissenters, who chose names from the Old Testament in preference to anything remotely associated with Rome; and that literacy wasn't widespread till well after 1873. If you want the correct spelling of an OT name you'll find it in the King James Bible, where it was fixed in 1611 - so many clerics were so close to illiterate between, say, 1611-1800 that you can't bet that the vicar got it right either, but using the correct spelling as a starting point does help with chasing variants. And for no apparent reason except the spread of english, Cornwall did take up the long-established english habit of putting an N in front of a word beginning in a vowel, e.g. Nuncle (as in King Lear), Nell (Ellen), Noll (Oliver) and Nan, Nanny in Cornwall and Nancy in England (Ann). And another thing... names that in England were fashionable in the C17 such as Francis, Melinda, Clarinda etc persisted in Cornwall well into the C19. If anyone knows why, please share it. Phoebe

Apologies to Julia and the Cornish List. That was meant to be an off list message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Curnow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] OPC List > Julia, > > I understand from Bill O'Reilly that you administer the OPC List. Now > that > we're in transition to new OPC leadership, would you please put me back > onto > that list. As you likely are aware, I'm the Ludgvan OPC. > > > Bill > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Julia, I understand from Bill O'Reilly that you administer the OPC List. Now that we're in transition to new OPC leadership, would you please put me back onto that list. As you likely are aware, I'm the Ludgvan OPC. Bill

This is in addition to the main news - thought some might find this of interest. Julia..................................................................................... WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER28 November 1856 CORNWALL COUNTY CONSTABULARY Adjourned Quarter Sessions An adjourned sessions for this county was held at Bodmin on the 13th instant, when a report was presented by the county police committee, appointed at the Michaelmas Quarter Sessions, and it was resolved that the sessions should be further adjourned until Wednesday last, the 26th instant, for the purpose of deciding with reference to the committee’s report, and what scheme or report should be forwarded as the county report to the Secretary of State. In pursuance of this resolution, the adjourned sessions was held at Bodmin on Wednesday last, before the following magistrates:. C.B.G. SAWLE, Esq., M.P. ..............................................T. HEXT, Esq. W.H. POLE CAREW, Esq. ................................................H. THOMSON, Esq. F. RODD, Esq. .................................................................E. COODE, jun., Esq. A. CORYTON, Esq. ..........................................................T.R. AVERY, Esq. Francis GLANVILLE, Esq. .................................................J.W. PEARD, Esq. C.O.P. BRUNE, Esq. ........................................................Neville NORWAY, Esq. F. HOWELL, Esq. .............................................................Rev. R. BULLER R. FOSTER, Esq. ..............................................................Rev. C.M. Edward COLLINS W. Hext, Esq.. The magistrates having waited some time for the arrival of Mr. Lethbridge, the chairman of the Quarter Sessions, at length Mr. CAREW said, having waited so long he begged to move they proceed to business, and that Mr. Sawle take the chair. . Mr. Rodd seconded the motion, which being agreed to, the chair was taken by Mr. Sawle, who said a letter had been received from Lord VIVIAN, which perhaps had better be read to the court. He then read the following letter, addressed to Mr. E. Coode, jun., as chairman of the Constabulary Committee:. Grinden Hall, Atherstone, November 22nd, 1856. MY DEAR SIR - I observe that an adjourned sessions is to be held on the 26th instant, for the purpose of taking into consideration the report of the constabulary committee. As it will not be in my power to attend the sessions, I think it right, as a member of the committee, to express my general concurrence in the report. But I would suggest an increase in the number of mounted men, so as to give one to each petty sessional division. I think this for many reasons desirable, and I was (as I before wrote you) instructed by the magistrates of the petty sessional division in which I act, to suggest this to the committee.. Believe me, Faithfully yours, Vivian. The Chairman then said, this sessions had been called for the purpose of considering the report of the Constabulary Committee, in order that a report might be forwarded to the Secretary of State. [segment missing].Colonel CORYTON inquired if the sum of GBP 703.16s. estimated for clothing, in the committee's report, included the cost of boots. The Chairman replied that it did not.. The subject of the discussion then moved to the question of superintendents.. The first question considered was with regard to the Superintendents, of whom, in the committee’s scheme, five were proposed to be appointed at GBP 90 each per annum, and four at GBP 80, with GBP 30 each for keep of a horse. (These Superintendents would be assigned to a "district”" and would be expected to move about; the inspectors under them would remain in one place.) One of these Superintendents would act as "deputy" for the chief constable, should it be needed. The Rev. C.M.E. COLLINS held that the deputy should not handle the duties of the chief for more than three months after that vacancy was occasioned. . [Mr. Thomson would submit that there should be a first class superintendent, who would bring not only ability and experience to the discharge of his duties, but would be well qualified by judgment and energy to give the chief constable, under all circumstances, essential assistance to maintain the discipline, efficiency, and power of the force. He should also have a good knowledge of the law. To that first class superintendent he would propose they should give 100 guineas a year at least. With regard to the number of superintendents, he really doubted very much whether four out of the nine might not be dispensed with; for allowing three, including the first-class superintendent to the more populous divisions of the west - those of Kirrier and East Powder - the divisions in the east might surely be easily commanded by two superintendents. ]. Mr. Carew considered GBP 10 a year over the superintendents was not sufficient to mark the difference. Mr. Brune had no objection to move that the first-class superintendent should have GBP 150 per year. . [Mr. Rodd pointed out the Secretary of State's scale of pay guidelines specified a superintendent could receive not less than GBP 75, not to exceed GBP 150 per year; the number of superintendents could vary. Therefore, he recommended that only five be assigned, rather than the proposed nine.]. The Chairman stated that he felt they must define the numbers of inspectors or sergeants first, as the scheme would not work well "unless they had an efficient number of superior officers." The end

Dear List, In my Cornish research, I have also come across a female baptized Christian, who was later documented as Christiana, Christina, and Kitty. An Aurelia, whose daughter was baptized Aurelia, but went by Amelia until after her mother had died, and was then documented using Aurelia. A Cecilia shortened to Celia and Selia as an adult. A Mary Ann called Nancy as a child. A Janet, who used Nettie as an adult. These instance were all in the 1800's. Kind regards to all, Rowena -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Tregonning Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012 5:59 AM To: 'MARJORIE KING'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Variations on names Hi Marjorie, The reason that I posted this is that I wasn't aware of the connection between Caroline and Kate (Katie, Kitty, Kit) although it slowly dawned on me. I am sure that there are others in this position. Interestingly my ancestor was a Caroline KING who was born in St Austell about 1834 although I have never been able to find her baptism. For those of us with Scottish heritage other variations of Jane are Jean, Janet, and Jessie. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MARJORIE KING Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012 11:02 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Variations on names My father's sister, baptised Caroline, was known as Kit.    Marjorie King ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, In case anyone is interested, I found this information but I haven't worked on it and don't know to whom he belongs yet: Michigan Deaths,1867-1897: John Rowe died 29 Dec 1871, at Clark Mine, Keweenaw, Michigan, Male, death age, est. birth date 1871, birthplace -Clark Mine, father, John Rowe; mother, Mary Ann Rowe. I also found this, and did not follow up on where he belongs either, US Census, 1880 of John Rowe, household in Clifton, Keweenaw County, Michigan: John Rowe,37, born in England, wife, Mary Ann, age 26, born in England, Son, John Rowe, age 7 born in the United States; daughter Jane Rowe, age 5, born in the United States, son, James Rowe, age 3, born in the United States. Juy

Hi Marjorie, The reason that I posted this is that I wasn't aware of the connection between Caroline and Kate (Katie, Kitty, Kit) although it slowly dawned on me. I am sure that there are others in this position. Interestingly my ancestor was a Caroline KING who was born in St Austell about 1834 although I have never been able to find her baptism. For those of us with Scottish heritage other variations of Jane are Jean, Janet, and Jessie. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MARJORIE KING Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012 11:02 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Variations on names My father's sister, baptised Caroline, was known as Kit.    Marjorie King

Hello, Another couple of names that I found interchangeable in my family are Caroline and Kate. I don't know whether this is unusual or not. The family in which this occurred also came from St Austell. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julia Mosman Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012 6:19 p.m. To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Use of the names Jane, Jennifer, Jenny in Cornwall; also Aunt & Uncle Hi All - Just transcribed this for the March 5, 1858 West Briton, but thought it might be of great interest now to the List, as we just discussed names a bit ago. This was part of an article about a court case which dealt with wills, and interpretations of what entries in the will meant. ................. In the course of this cause, some quasi-philological discussion took place as to the name Jennifer. The Rev. F. TODD said it was within his own knowledge, as vicar of St. Austell, and as formerly curate of another parish, that persons named Jane were frequently called Jennifer, and vice versa; he himself had a daughter baptized Jane, but was very frequently called Jennifer; but still, "Jane" and "Jennifer" were distinct baptismal names. The lawyers seemed puzzled to account for the addition of the syllable FOR to Jenny; various conjectures were hazarded, and the learned Judge suggested the whole name "Jennifer," might possibly be a corruption of Ginevra! A more homely and reasonable suggestion was that Jennifer was merely a Cornish mode of giving a familiar endearment to the name; and a similar explanation was given of the name "Un-Jane," by which it appeared the "Jane" of this case was sometimes called by her friends; the prefix "Un" it was suggested, might represent "Aunt"; the terms "aunt: and "uncle" being employed in Cornwall as expressive of respect and affection, with intimating relationship. ............... So there you are; even more complications in the naming patterns used in Cornwall! Just what we needed. Cheers, and Happy Thanksgiving to those living in the US, Julia ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to the discussion about Jane and Jennifer, my great grandmother born in Australia to Cornish parents was named Jane at birth but was referred to as Jenny or as my mother knew her grandmother, Jeanie. It wasn't until I obtained her parents' death certificates that I found that Jenny/Jeanie was really Jane. Regards, Leigh -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julia Mosman > Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012 6:19 p.m. > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Use of the names Jane, Jennifer, Jenny in Cornwall; > also Aunt & Uncle > > > Hi All - > Just transcribed this for the March 5, 1858 West Briton, but thought it > might be of great interest now to the List, as we just discussed names a bit > ago. > This was part of an article about a court case which dealt with wills, and > interpretations of what entries in the will meant. > ................. > In the course of this cause, some quasi-philological discussion took place > as to the name Jennifer. The Rev. F. TODD said it was within his own > knowledge, as vicar of St. Austell, and as formerly curate of another > parish, that persons named Jane were frequently called Jennifer, and vice > versa; he himself had a daughter baptized Jane, but was very frequently > called Jennifer; but still, "Jane" and "Jennifer" were distinct baptismal > names. > The lawyers seemed puzzled to account for the addition of the syllable FOR > to Jenny; various conjectures were hazarded, and the learned Judge suggested > the whole name "Jennifer," might possibly be a corruption of Ginevra! A more > homely and reasonable suggestion was that Jennifer was merely a Cornish mode > of giving a familiar endearment to the name; and a similar explanation was > given of the name "Un-Jane," by which it appeared the "Jane" of this case > was sometimes called by her friends; the prefix "Un" it was suggested, might > represent "Aunt"; the terms "aunt: and "uncle" being employed in Cornwall as > expressive of respect and affection, with intimating relationship. > ............... > So there you are; even more complications in the naming patterns used in > Cornwall! Just what we needed. > Cheers, and Happy Thanksgiving to those living in the US, > Julia > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the messageFurte

Catherine/Kate is more usual. Also Ann/Nan/Nancy, Betty/Elizabeth feature pretty frequently in my people. Jennifer/Jane remains the oddest though. Jennifer is of course Guinevere, which I guess shortened through Jenny or Ginny to Jane. Early on I have a few Jane/Joans On the male side I have Edward/Edmund, Theophilus/Thomas and Hyrum/Henry being used interchangeably JF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Tregonning" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Use of the names Jane, Jennifer, Jenny inCornwall; also Aunt & Uncle > Hello, > > Another couple of names that I found interchangeable in my family are > Caroline and Kate. I don't know whether this is unusual or not. The > family > in which this occurred also came from St Austell. > > Regards, > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julia Mosman > Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012 6:19 p.m. > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Use of the names Jane, Jennifer, Jenny in Cornwall; > also Aunt & Uncle > > > Hi All - > Just transcribed this for the March 5, 1858 West Briton, but thought it > might be of great interest now to the List, as we just discussed names a > bit > ago. > This was part of an article about a court case which dealt with wills, and > interpretations of what entries in the will meant. > ................. > In the course of this cause, some quasi-philological discussion took place > as to the name Jennifer. The Rev. F. TODD said it was within his own > knowledge, as vicar of St. Austell, and as formerly curate of another > parish, that persons named Jane were frequently called Jennifer, and vice > versa; he himself had a daughter baptized Jane, but was very frequently > called Jennifer; but still, "Jane" and "Jennifer" were distinct baptismal > names. > The lawyers seemed puzzled to account for the addition of the syllable FOR > to Jenny; various conjectures were hazarded, and the learned Judge > suggested > the whole name "Jennifer," might possibly be a corruption of Ginevra! A > more > homely and reasonable suggestion was that Jennifer was merely a Cornish > mode > of giving a familiar endearment to the name; and a similar explanation was > given of the name "Un-Jane," by which it appeared the "Jane" of this case > was sometimes called by her friends; the prefix "Un" it was suggested, > might > represent "Aunt"; the terms "aunt: and "uncle" being employed in Cornwall > as > expressive of respect and affection, with intimating relationship. > ............... > So there you are; even more complications in the naming patterns used in > Cornwall! Just what we needed. > Cheers, and Happy Thanksgiving to those living in the US, > Julia > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Oh dear. That would mean my Susanna Rowe born in Launcells in 1781 is not really Cornish. She married into a Devon family anyway - the traitor. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jarve" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Red headed Danes This is the story that I was told, by a man named John Rowe, who had a professional genealogist do his family tree: Rolf, The Viking, also known as Rolf, the Granger, left Norway for reasons we don't know and he took his entire clan and settled in Denmark. Rolf or Rollo, as he was called, was very tall and had red hair. He raided the coasts from there and in Denmark became known in Danish as Rollo, the Viking. When he raided the coast of France, he found a land that was particularly interesting to him and he took his clan and settled in the northern part of France. The king, knowing that they were solidly entrenched in that area made a deal with Rollo that he could have the land if he protected the northern coast from the other vikings. Rollo also had to marry a relative of the king and take on a christian name. In France, he was know as Ro because they didn't pronounce their L's. (This is in history books or you can google it). The land he had was called Normandy which means land of the norsemen. Ro's grandson was William, the Conquerer (sp?) and in 1066, he conquered England. He rather wanted to be King of England than Duke of Normandy, so he left Normandy to his brother, and took all of his people with him to England. There he gave conquered lands to his family and those who fought for him. William's family had red hair, i.e. Rufus the Red. When Cromwell began his purge of the catholic people in England, Many, including priests, were tortured and/or killed, having their lands taken away from them. Many of them escaped into Cornwall where the majority of the English people considered a useless area. Anyway this is in history books and was told to me. Thus there are Rowes in Cornwall, who the Cornish people, to this day, claim that they are not really Cornish. P.S. The Rowe's have red hair. For what it's worth - Judy --- On Wed, 11/21/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Red headed Dane To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 5:11 PM Interesting information....Some people say that Denmark was the home of the Vikings. Denmark and Norway,home of the Norsemen, were once joined kingdoms. There are were several Viking settlements, in the UK and Ireland. Jorvik, present day York, England has been carefully studied for decades. I believe that Vikings also had various contacts in Cornwall, such as raids of coastal villages, towns, and religious establishments. Finally, the Normans, who were Viking descendants, permanently settled into the British Isles. Perhaps this past history is what created such enduring stereotypes as "hot headed redhead" or "red headed Dane". Steade In a message dated 11/20/2012 2:37:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The phrase "red headed Dane"abot a ginger haired person was /is still used in Mousehole. Kath. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:07:43 -0700 From: Elizabeth Marcheschi <[email protected]> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Question about Danes in Cornwall To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello everyone, It has been a long time since I posted but that is along story and I am back, hopefully for a bit. To get to the point, I was reading a book, "Foundation: The History of England from its Earliest Beginnings" by Peter Ackroyd and found something I had never heard before: "In Cornwall, at the end of the same century, (i.e., 19th) s colony of red-haired people were called 'Danes' with whom the local population would not marry." Danes is familiar, probably smackingly-so, but the story is new.Does anyone know anything about it? Thank you in advance, Beth Marcheschi Colorado ------------------------------ To contact the CORNISH-GEN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the CORNISH-GEN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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My father's sister, baptised Caroline, was known as Kit.    Marjorie King

Hi Julia At least "Jane" and "Jennifer" seem to have stopped being used interchangeably by about the mid-19th century. (Didn't they?) I've always found it to be extremely unwise when searching for a Jane not to look also for Jennifer (and its variants - and vice-versa). This seems a peculiarly Cornish thing. There is also Catherine/Christian, another couple of names which have very different origins, but in Cornwall can be interchangeable. Makes no sense really! Tony Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK