It is a farm.  There is a document on Access to Archives: "Engraving of Henry Rogers of Skewis in gaol (Skewes in Crowan) with story of the siege of Skewes and his subsequent trail at Cornwall Assizes in August 1735 and execution: (See S. Baring-Gould, Cornish Character and Strange Events, (1909), 'The Siege of Skewis', p.p. 364-367). There is also an article on the Siege of Skewis by Keith Skues in Devon and Cornwall Notes and Queries vol. 27 part XI (July 1958) pp. 306-311. see also Devon and Cornwall Notes and queries vol. 28 part 1 (Jan. 1959) pp. 27-29)." An account of the seige can be found here: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/crowan/html/old_stories.html   Regards,   Joy ________________________________ From: Hilton Doidge <[email protected]> To: CORNISH-GEN <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013, 12:23 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Nanny HANCOCK... Baptism, Crowan, Cornwall. Sept. 26, 1813 The above baptism record image is shown at... https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11826-143404-75?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-J3M:n589216406 Page 11, No. 85... It reveals an Abode name of what appears to be "Skues"... This same abode name appears on the previous, adjacent page for a baptism, No. 82 for Elizabeth WILLIAMS... My question is... Is Skues a Place name, District or would it be a Farm/Property name? Another question is... Under the heading of... "By whom the Ceremony was performed"... Appears to be the name 'TREVENEN'... Other entries show what appears to be a Rev. <J> or <I> or <T> TREVENEN... A simple Google search reveals a... "...Rev. John TREVENEN, Curate of Camborne, born c1712, married c1740, died c1775..." and a "Rev. Thomas TREVENEN" [son of Rev. John TREVENEN] "Camborne, Cornwall, died 1816"... Maybe what I thought looks like a <J> could be a <T>??? Would this, Rev. Thomas TREVENEN, be the same person who performed the baptism ceremony for Nanny HANCOCK? TREVENEN is not my family... Nanny HANCOCK is my 2x great-grandaunt... Thank you Hilton Doidge Waikato New Zealand ------------------------------- Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Buried in St Just in Penwith Wesleyan cemetery - William FARLEY died 31 May 1921 North Row Hannah ELLIS aged 71 died 15 Jun 1921 3 Bosorne Street James HILL died 12 Sep 1921 Prince's Street Ellen NANKERVIS aged 8 died 16 Sep 1921 17 Princes Street Julia A ROBERTS died Oct 1921 Mary A FARLEY died 26 Nov 1921 John WEARING aged 75 died 2 Mar 1922 12 Lafrowda Terrace Tom EDDY aged 22 died 23 May 1922 Truthwall Ernest TREMBATH aged 53 died 15 Jun 1922 Chycandra, St Buryan Miss Jane THOMAS died 9 Jul 1922 Fore Street Edwin James OSBORNE aged 19 died 20 Aug 1922 George MIDDLEWOOD aged 88 died 18 Dec 1922 23 Pleasant Row Edwin L YOUNG aged 63 died 4 Jan 1923 17 Creswells Terrace, Botallack James PERROW died Jun 1923 Fore Street Matthew DANIEL aged 92 died 11 Jun 1923 Penhale Cottage, near Kelynack M A HARVEY aged 77 died 2 Aug 1923 9 Fore Street Susan BOASE aged 62 died 18 Aug 1923 Penhale Cottage Mary CANDY aged 69 died 29 Aug 1923 Pleasant Row Kezia Ann WALLIS aged 52 died 23 Sep 1923 Bosorne Street Rebecca CASLEY aged 56 died 29 Oct 1923 Higher Tregeseal John THOMAS died Nov 1923 Chapel Street Elizabeth WEARING aged 73 died 3 Dec 1923 Lafrowda Terrace Details from The Cornishman newspaper. This is not a comprehensive list. Bob Bolitho OPC St Just in Penwith

Thanks so much everyone for your kind and helpful replies! Although I'm not descended from a Trengove I'm really interested in seeing the site of the manor and the area. I believe my ancestor was brought over to England from Bengal by the brother of Mary Gooch (who had married John Trengove Nance of Trengoffe Manor). The brother died and I think that he was then sent to live at Trengoffe Manor. In the process of putting all this together I did find out a lot about the Gooch family (if anyone has any links to them and wants some information just let me know) but unfortunately I don't know a great deal about the Trengove/Nance families. After John Trengove Nance's death Mary remarried to the reverend of Luxulyan. She never had any heirs and the manor was passed on to her relatives after her death. Thanks so much again, Tamara.

WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER . 16 JANUARY 1857 . CORNWALL EPIPHANY SESSIONS, (continued from our last number) . THURSDAY, January 8th, Before J. King LETHBRIDGE, Esq. . WILLIAM CLEMES, JOHN PEARCE, and SIMON ROBINS, young miners of respectable appearance, were charged with stealing ten lbs of currants, and a quantity of sweetmeats, the property of Sophia SYMONDS, widow, at St. Austell, on the 20th of December. In a second count the property was laid in William BULLOCK. Mr. SHILSON for the prosecution; Mr. STOKES for the defence. . William BULLOCK deposed: I am driver of a waggon. On Saturday the 20th of December, I was employed by Mrs. Symonds of St. Austell to bring some groceries for her from Par, and I took up two boxes for her that day at Par; one of the boxes was bound with hoop-iron and fastened with ropes; I don't know that there was any cover on the other box. . When I came on the road as far as Holmbush, the prisoners came and jumped up in my waggon. This was about six or half-past six o'clock. Clemes was the first to jump up; and he threatened to knock my b----y eyes or brains out if I said anything. The others said, "hold your peace, Bill." I had not given them any leave to get up in the waggon. Clemes sat on the uncovered box, in the front part of the waggon; and the others on the closed box behind. I saw these two - Pearce and Robins - moving their hands to and from their breast pockets. . When I came to Mount Charles, Pearce got out of the waggon. I continued riding on the shafts; and when I got to the bottom of the Watering Hill, Clemes got sick, and took up a little basket which he had, and jumped out of the waggon, leaving Robins sitting with his back toward me. . I then thought it was time to look about; I jumped off, and as I came round to the end of the waggon I saw Robins catch his hand out of the box on which he was sitting. I said to him "hallo, my chap, what's going on here? you have not broke open the box, or any thing like that?" . With that, I jumped up at the back of the waggon, on my knees, and Robins pulled part of the board of the box which had been broken open and placed his knees so that I should not see what he was doing; and he began to swear, and with that gave me a smack on the face and a bloody nose. Then Clemes came forth and said he would knock my head off if I said any thing of what they had been doing; I said to Clemes,"I did'nt say that you had been about the box." . I then jumped off from the hind part of the waggon and Robins came forth to the front; Clemes looked to Robins to take the basket, and then he would let it into me. As Clemes came forth and jumped off on the off side of the shafts I jumped off on the near side, and walked on by my horses, and then the other two chaps came round the near side; I said "what, d'ye think you are going to do as you mind by me?" and I put my horses into a trot. . Then a man came along and I spoke to him; he said to me, "young man, you had better drive down your horses to the light, and perhaps I may know these young men." I drove on my horses into the town and stopped in front of Mr. STOCKER's shop. I then saw Clemes and Robins come down the hill and pass round by KELLOW's Van Office to the other street; and the man whom I had spoken to came down the hill into the town close by them and I afterwards saw him by Dunn's Hotel; I went to see for a policeman, leaving that man to watch. . I found a policeman and we went back to my waggon and looked at the boxes, and then I took the boxes to Mrs. Symonds's, and they were opened by her in my presence. A board was broken up in the box which had been fastened the best; the paper round the currants had been broken, and it appeared that a lot of currants was gone. The other box, which had been in the front part of the waggon, had not been touched at all. Both boxes were sound and firm when I took them into my custody at Par; and no person had got into my waggon after leaving Par but the prisoners. . When I got to Mrs. SYMONDS's, I found in the waggon a little tin dish which I delivered to the policeman; I was afterwards present when the policeman took Clemes into custody; he asked Clemes if that was his dish, and he said it was. . Cross-examined: Clemes was a little tipsy; I did not see that there was anything amiss with the other two. The hind box, which was broken, was a slight box, like a candle-box or such as that. I met a plenty of people on the road, but did not make any attempt to get rid of these men. I did not talk to the men all the way; but when we came into the town, Clemes, just after he got out of the waggon, said he would give me a quart of beer or anything else I liked to drink; that was after he had been swearing at me. The waggon was an open clay waggon; it had no cover. . William Henry ROWE, storekeeper at Par, stated that on Saturday the 20th December, the "Forager" steamer brought to Par a chest for Mrs. Symonds, and there was a box lying for her there before. About five o'clock in the afternoon of that day, witness delivered the chest and box to the last witness. The chest was about three feet long, secured with iron hoop, and with rope around it. The box had no cover, but there was no straw on the top, and witness believed it was laced over. Both were in a sound and secure state when delivered to Bullock. . John TRESIDDER HAWKEN: I am manager of Messrs. BOND's establishment at Plymouth. On the 19th of December I packed a chest for Mrs. Symonds of St. Austell; the chest contained groceries; among other things, sweets and currants - 40lbs. of one sort of currents and 80lbs. of another sort; six bottles of sweetmeats, each bottle containing 2lbs. The box was addressed to Mrs. Symonds, Western Hill, St. Austell; it was securely fastened - more than usually strong with hoop iron and corded. I have now seen the same box here. The sweets are of a particular kind; they are a patented article, and we are the only agents for the article in Plymouth. . Sophia SYMONDS, widow: I keep a grocer's shop in St. Austell, and on the 20th of December I employed William Bullock to bring some groceries for me; between seven and eight o'clock in the evening he brought me a chest and box. The chest was broken open, the paper of a parcel of currants had been torn, and it appeared there were a few currants gone. A board had been broken in at the side of the box, and it was bulged in at top. . I am not at all willing to prosecute this case; I do not think it at all necessary to do so. I had ordered a few bottles of fancy sweets; and the invoice stated that six bottles were sent. There were but three whole bottles in the box, and two empty bottles, and there were some loose sweetmeats about the box. There were also some loose currants in the box. I think two parcels of currants had been torn open, and another had been moved. . Cross-Examined: The box was slight and I should think the weight of one or two persons sitting on it would be likely be start it.[as written] I know these young men to be respectable in their stations; I have heard good characters of them from Mr. PETHERICK, Mr. ANDREW, and other gentlemen. . John WESTLAKE, constable: About seven o'clock in the evening of Saturday the 20th of December, I received a complaint from William Bullock, that a box had been broken open, and from the information I received I went to search for the prisoners and found Clemes first. I told him I wanted to speak to him and then stopped with him till Sambell came; I charged him with riding in the waggon and stealing a quantity of sweets; he said "I have not rode in any waggon to-night." . I then said to Bullock "is this the one that rode in your waggon?" he said yes; and Clemes again denied it. Sambell then produced a tin-dish and asked Clemes if it was his; and he said yes. As we were going to the lock-up, we passed a dark place, and I saw Clemes throwing away something; Sambell got a candle and found that he had thrown some sweets on the ground; he said that Robins gave them to him as he was riding on the waggon. . Thomas SAMBELL, policeman, corroborated a portion of Westlake's evidence, and stated that when he afterwards apprehended Robins in his father's house, he found particles of sweets sticking about his pockets; and when Sambell desired him to put on his other clothes and come with him, Robins, who was standing near the mantel-piece, took down a sword and partly unsheathed it, declaring "I'm b....d if I'm going to St. Austell to night, for that." Sambell secured the sword, and took Robins on to the St. Austell lock-up; and on the way he made use of many very violent and bad expressions towards some of the parties concerned in the case. . The next day (Sunday) Sambell was with Westlake when he apprehended Pearce at his father's house and heard him say to Westlake that he rode from Mount Charles, but while he was riding there was nothing done. While Westlake had him in custody, Sambell went to his father's house and received from his sister a jacket and a pair of trousers; he took them to Pearce, who acknowledged that he had worn them on the Saturday; in the pockets of both jacket and trousers, witness found some loose currants. . Some of the bottles were produced, together with samples of the sweets and currants; and evidence of identity was given by Mr. T. HAWKEN, and other witnesses; and evidence was also given of the quantities stolen. . The prisoners' statements before the committing magistrates were then put in. Pearce said "I had the currants given me the night before by a young man in St. Austell market-house; I never saw anything taken in the waggon from Holmbush to Mount Charles." Robins said "I got up in the waggon at Holmbush and rode as far as the watering, and what was in the boxes I know nothing about." Clemes said he never took anything from the waggon. . Mr. STOKES addressed the jury in defence, and called as witnesses to the good character of the prisoners from their childhood, John CLARK, miner, of St. Austell, and John BARRETT, of Charlestown. The jury found all three prisoners GUILTY; but recommended them to mercy, believing that they did not intend robbery when they first got up into the waggon. Clemes and Robins were sentenced to Six Weeks' hard labour, and Pearce to One Month's hard labour. ................... . WILLIAM PIPPIN, 34, labourer, was charged with stealing about twelve gallons of wheat and one sheaf of reed, and one pigeon, the property of John ROWE, farmer, at Breage. Mr. SHILSON conducted the prosecution; Mr. STOKES the defence. . Thomas SIMMONS, a miner, working at Wheal Vor, deposed: On Sunday night the 7th of December, about twelve o'clock, I was returning from Helston with Isaac MOYLE and other persons. As we passed by the private lane leading down to Mr. Rowe's farm, at Sethnoe, we saw a man down the lane, coming towards the road with a sheaf of reed and a sack of corn on his back. I and Moyle went down the lane to him; and he told us that he was coming from the mine and that he had a bag of sticks. I went forth and found that the bag contained corn, and took it from his back; and the prisoner offered me a shilling, and then five shillings, ten shillings, or a sovereign if we would let him go clear; and afterwards offered to give all that he was to receive next pay-day. . I said, "nonsense, come along with us," and we took him down to Mr. Rowe's house, with the reed and wheat, and called up Mr. Rowe. We afterwards, at Breage churchtown, delivered the wheat and reed to the constable. I had known the prisoner before; he is a lander; landers do not work on Sundays. He said he found the corn in the turnpike road as he was going to Helston to fetch the doctor for his wife. I saw his wife afterwards; she was not ill, as far as I could judge. . Isaac MOYLE corroborated the above evidence. . Thomasine ROWE, a daughter of the prosecutor, stated that on the night of the 7th of December, she was looking out of one of the windows at Sethnoe and saw the prisoner near the house; saw him take something white out of his pocket and throw it over the garden wall. When her father was called up at night, she told of what she had seen, and her father and brother went to the spot and found a dead pigeon. Had seen that pigeon alive on Sunday evening at roost with others inside the barn. The prisoner was about twelve feet from her when she saw him. . Jacob ROWE, son of the prosecutor, proved his having found the pigeon as spoken of by his sister; when he found the pigeon, it was dead but still warm; knew the bird very well; went and searched the roost, and found that one pigeon was missing out of the six that had been there. Saw the sheaf of reed which was taken from the prisoner, and could swear to its being his father's property, witness himself having bound it. . Jacob ROWE, the prosecutor: I live at Sethnoe; Sethnoe lane leads only to my farm. Prisoner lives near me and has worked for me. On the Sunday night about twelve o'clock, I was called up by MOYLE and SIMMONS; they had a sheaf of reed and a sack of wheat, and one of them was holding PIPPIN by the collar. About Noon on Sunday, I saw in the barn about three bushels of wheat in a sack, and a pile of wheat in a rough state; and on Sunday night when the prisoner was brought to me, I found that a quantity of wheat had been taken from the pile; and I afterwards found that the wheat which had been found on the prisoner corresponded exactly with that in the pile. The sheaf of reed was similar to sheaves I had in my mowhay. It is a particular sort of wheat which I had down from London, with Mr. JULIAN of Helston. The key of the barn was left in the door on the Sunday; I saw it there. . John JULYAN, constable, produced the reed, wheat, and pigeon, and said: I had the prisoner in custody on the Sunday night; it was a coldish night. He was sitting back some distance from the fire-place, and complaining of it being cold. He went forth towards the fire-place, and I saw him take something out of his pocket and thrust it into the fire under the boiler. I went forth, and saw that what he had thrown in was a bag; but it was all in flames, and I could not take it out. The corn, sheaf, and pigeon were identified; and the jury found the prisoner GUILTY. Sentence, Nine Months' hard labour. . ............................ . PHILIP HARVEY, 27, a miner, was charged with stealing 250 lbs of tin ore, the property of Richard PEARCE and others, adventurers in Dolcoath Mine, as long ago as the 11th of June, 1854. Mr. CORNISH conducted the prosecution; Mr. SHILSON the defence. . Richard PEARCE, an agent and adventurer in Dolcoath mine, deposed: On Sunday the 11th of June 1854, we had, amongst other tin ore in the yard, a quantity in a kieve. It was about a ton of a particular sort of tin, best quality tin, raised from the north part of the mine. I saw that tin all right in the kieve, about four o'clock on the Sunday afternoon. After twelve o'clock on the Sunday night I went to that kieve, in consequence of having been called by Joseph JEWELL. I examined the kieve, and found that about 250 lbs. of tin had been taken away, and there were marks of hands having dived into the tin to take it up. Close against the kieve I saw a sack containing about ¾ cwt. of tin; and about ten or twelve feet off were two other sacks, partly full. . I compared the tin in these three sacks with that in the kieve, and found that it was precisely the same sample. I had no doubt that the tin in the three sacks was taken from that kieve. I kept the tin which I had found in those sacks, until the 15th of December, 1856, when I delivered it to George Noble, constable. The value of the 250 lbs of tin was about GBP 9 or GBP 10. The prisoner Harvey was not working in the mine at that time. From information received, a warrant was issued against him, but he was not brought before the magistrates till December, 1856. . James JEWELL, tin-dresser, working at Dolcoath: I was working at Dolcoath in June, 1854, and was in the habit of going to my work between twelve and one o'clock at night. I went there on the night of Sunday the 11th of June, with Sampson JEWELL and Caroline TEMBY. As we entered the yard-door, I saw a man leaning over a kieve, and said, "Hallo, is that Allen?" As I got into the yard, I saw a second man standing between two other kieves; this was the prisoner; and the man who was leaning over the other kieve was called VIVIAN. . When I said "Is that Allen?" Vivian made inquiries about the burning house; he said "that as to the burning house there we may lie down, men and maidens all together"; Harvey was not at that time working on the mine and had no business in the yard. I went in to see the burning-house men, and to speak to my brother; and when I came out with a light I saw Vivian and Harvey run away. Vivian was not at that time employed on the mine. . After seeing Harvey and Vivian run away, I saw three sacks of tin on the ground; one close beside the kieve of tin over which Vivian had been leaning, and the two others about ten or twelve feet off from where Harvey was standing. I compared the tin in these three sacks with that in the kieve, and I found it was the same sample. . Sampson JEWELL, brother of last witness, and who came to the mine with him and Caroline Temby on the Sunday night referred to, corroborated his evidence, and added that when Vivian was discovered and made inquiries about the burning-house, he was making out to be drunk. . This witness also stated: I went up to the prisoner, and put my hand on his shoulder, and said to him "What are you doing here?" He made no reply but got out of my hand, slipped away between the kieves, and ran off. . A few feet from where the prisoner had been standing I found a sack, and called Capt. Pearce. We found altogether three sacks, containing tin, which had been taken from the kieves that Vivian was leaning over. I knew the tin very well. On the Saturday evening I had seen that the tin in this kieve was all right; but on the Monday morning I saw that there had been a pit dug in it. A person not working on the mine would have no right to be on it at that hour; there is no public road through the mine. . George NOBLE, constable of Camborne: I received the warrant to apprehend the prisoner in June, 1854. He was not apprehended till last December, when Ward the policeman took him, in my presence, at two o'clock on a Sunday morning. From June 1854, I believe he had not been in the neighbourhood; I made inquiries. (It appeared that the prisoner had been working in the eastern part of the county, or in Devonshire.) . I received tin from Capt. Pearce, part of which I now produce. This tin was clearly identified by Capt. Pearce. Mr. SHILSON addressed the Jury in behalf of the prisoner; after which the CHAIRMAN summed up, and the Jury retired for consultation, and ultimately returned a verdict of GUILTY. Sentence, Eight Months' hard labour. . ......................... . JOHN PENROSE was charged with stealing five sheaves of oats, the property of Joseph LAWRY, of St. Just in Penwith, on the 30th of December, 1856; and also with stealing nine sheaves of oats, the property of the said Joseph LAWREY, on the 31st of December. (Thomas Penrose had been indicted for the same offence, but the bill against him had been ignored.) Mr. CORNISH appeared for the prosecution, and, preliminary to any other proceedings, required that the prosecutor, an important witness, should be called on his recognizances. The crier of the court accordingly called three times on "Joseph Lawry to come forth and give evidence on a bill of indictment against John Penrose, or forfeit your recognisances." Joseph Lawry did not appear, and his recognizances were estreated. . Mr. CORNISH then addressed the jury, speaking of the peculiar circumstances under which the case was brought before them, in consequence of the non-attendance of the prosecutor, who had been bound over to appear and give evidence. On the part of the prosecution every effort had been made to bring the prosecutor before the court, but without success. The case must therefore depend on other evidence, which would show that on the morning of Wednesday the 31st of December a watch was set on the mowhay at Carn Green, the prosecutor's farm, on which the prosecutor had a mow of oats; and Joseph Penrose was seen to go to the mow and take some sheaves of corn from it. . On being taken he made use of some expression of sorrow for what he had done. A statement of the prisoner would be put in, in which he admitted having taken the corn, but somewhat justified the act. . Mr. Cornish then called Joseph Lawry the younger, whose evidence proved to be of such a negative character that the prosecution could not be sustained. . In answer to questions, he said: I am son of Joseph Lawry, of St. Just; my father occupies a farm at Carn Green. I worked with my father one day last year; at that time I did not assist him in saving oats. I was not on Carn Green mowhay during the harvest. I went to my father's house on the 31st December, but was not in the mowhay; I was out in a field near the mowhay; I was not there for any particular purpose; from where I was standing I could not see into the mowhay; I was not in the barn in the course of that morning; I never saw any thing happen in the mowhay in the course of that day; I saw the prisoner near the place but not till after he was taken hold of by the constable; I never saw the constable take him; after he was taken I never saw anything happen. . Mr. Cornish addressed an observation to the bench; on which the CHARIMAN, addressing the jury, said - You have seen, gentlemen, the nature of this case. The prosecutor is not present; he has been called on his recognizances and will have to answer for that; and this witness here, though he remembered everything before the magistrate, he remembers nothing here. The learned advocate therefore thinks it would be useless for him to go further with the case, and you will say the prisoner is NOT GUILTY. They returned their verdict accordingly. The court ordered that the witness's expenses be disallowed; and the prosecutor's recognizances were estreated. . This concluded the jury business of the sessions. . [But there is still one more 'send' to come, including business not requiring a jury.] . Julia M. . West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell

If you go to the maps at familysearch at http://maps.familysearch.org/#search and find Warleggan and then switch to view Ordnnce Survey you will find Trengoffe south of Warleggan and SE of Mount. I am not sure of the date of the Ordnance survey maps but I think they are late 1800s. Cheers Ian in Perth, WAustralia ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 5 Jan 2013 16:27:18 +1100 Subject:[CORNISH-GEN] Warleggan Hello, Does anyone know where the Trengoffe Manor in Warleggan used to stand exactly? (I think it burnt down). I'm visiting Cornwall later on this year from Australia and would love to see where in Warleggan it used to be if possible. Thank you, Tamara ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Does anyone know where the Trengoffe Manor in Warleggan used to stand exactly? (I think it burnt down). I'm visiting Cornwall later on this year from Australia and would love to see where in Warleggan it used to be if possible. Thank you, Tamara

To kick off the new year, I'm having another look at my WEARING ancestry  in Stoke Climsland. Several of us are keen to find how the two, apparently  separate, families are linked.  One of these is the line from William WEARING of Polhilsa, my 4GGF, whose  ancestors may have come from Lezant and Milton Abbot. Two of William's grandchildren, Frances and George, married RUNDLE siblings, chn of Thomas RUNDLE and  Jane MASON. They were James and Ann (my 2GGM).  A third RUNDLE sibling, Elizabeth, also married a WEARING - but wouldn't you know?  This third WEARING (John of Jopes) was no relation to the others. He was the s/o  John WEARING and Ann WOOLDRIDGE. This other line may also link with the Lezant/Milton Abbot lot. All of this is made far more complicated by the fact that nobody could agree whether the  name was WEARING, WERRING, WARING, WARREN, WARNE or WEARNE. I have representatives of all of these  marrying into my Stoke Climsland families. I'm posting this in the remote hope that there may be new researchers out there who have now discovered  that they are part of this weird, wonderful tribe and are willing to pool brain-power and research talents. Kind regards Joy in the Garden of England  

Buried in St Just in Penwith Wesleyan cemetery - Mrs James Henry THOMAS died 5 Feb 1920 Chapel Street buried 9 Feb Mrs C WOOLCOCK died 7 Mar 1920 Victoria Row John THOMAS aged 82 died 29 Apr 1920 Victoria Row Grace THOMAS died 30 Apr 1920 Victoria Row Ethel CHELLEW aged 5 yrs 5 mths died 6 May 1920 Bostrase Joseph Nicholas THOMAS aged 59 died 12 May 1920 Thomas WARREN died 15 Jun 1920 Trigaminnion, Morvah, buried 18 Jun Elizabeth Ann OATS aged 65 died 7 Sep 1920 Market Street William Henry SEMMENS aged 62 died 1 Nov 1920 Botallack Bridget MADDERN aged 80 died 5 Nov 1920 8 Cape Cornwall Street William WATTERS aged 59 died 29 Nov 1920 19 Hillside Cottages, Trewellard Elizabeth LAWRY aged 84 died 4 Dec 1920 Victoria Row Grace OATS aged 27 died 13 Dec 1920 Nancherrow Row Details from The Cornishman newspaper. This is not a comprehensive list. Bob Bolitho OPC St Just in Penwith

Also worth a try is www.old-maps.co.uk which will give you a range of maps from the 1880s onwards. I found Trengoffe on the 1882 OS map by this means. Colin On Jan 5, 2013 5:29 AM, "tam smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > Does anyone know where the Trengoffe Manor in Warleggan used to stand > exactly? (I think it burnt down). I'm visiting Cornwall later on this > year from Australia and would love to see where in Warleggan it used to be > if possible. Thank you, > Tamara > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Tamara,   Please see link.  I used "Nearby places" in  Genuki Warleggan to find it.   http://streetmap.co.uk/grid/215000_67000_3   If you get the opportunity to visit the Cornwall Record Office during your visit, you will probably be able to look at a map  pre 1969  when it burnt down to pinpoint its exact location.  There are also photos of Trengoffe listed in the Cornwall Record Office catalogue (search using Trengoffe to obtain catalogue numbers): http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/DServe/searchpage.htm   Joy ________________________________ From: tam smith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 5:27 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Warleggan Hello, Does anyone know where the Trengoffe Manor in Warleggan used to stand exactly?  (I think it burnt down).  I'm visiting Cornwall later on this year from Australia and would love to see where in Warleggan it used to be if possible.  Thank you, Tamara ------------------------------- Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another Curnow Homecoming (ACH’13) will take place at Marazion on the weekend of May 04/05 of this New Year. It is the latest in a series of worldwide Curnow family reunions held since 1990, when more than 300 cousins attended the very first at St. Hilary. Subsequent gatherings have taken place in Cornwall, Australia, and the USA. Now it’s time to return to the Cornish homeland during the beautiful spring season and link your reunion visit to other traditional events taking place at that time of year - Saturday, April 27 Trevithick Day at Camborne, a celebration of steam power Wednesday, May 01 May Day at Padstow, when the famous ‘Obby ‘Oss tours the town Wednesday, May 08 Furry Day at Helston, with dancing in the streets It is a pleasure to invite all folks named CURNOW, CURNOE, or CURNO, their descendants of any surname, and those who are simply friends of the clan to attend this celebration of roots in the Cornish homeland. For more information, contact Howard Curnow ([email protected]) or myself ([email protected]). Bill Curnow Port Charlotte, FL, USA

Buried in St Just in Penwith Wesleyan cemetery - Catherine ROWE 69 died 7 May 1916 7 West Place Elizabeth Davis ROWE aged 83 died 4 Jul 1916 Tregeseal Charles MERRIFIELD aged 18 died 31 Oct 1916 Kelynack Mary BOYNS died 6 Nov 1916 Boswedden Catherine HARVEY aged 68 died 23 Nov 1916 Pleasant Row Mary Ann ROWE aged 60 died 19 Dec 1916 Market Street Harry Beresford WILLIAMS aged 2 died 25 Dec 1916 5 Pleasant Row Johanna THOMAS aged 78 died 3 Jan 1917 Bartinney Isabella ANGWIN aged 74 died 21 Jan 1917 8 West Place James ROWE aged 60 died 25 Mar 1917 7 West Place Mrs William HOCKING aged 87 died 14 Apr 1917 Bosorne Road Justus ANGWIN aged 45 died 29 Sep 1917 Fore Street Rev E LONES aged 77 died 29 Jan 1918 Lafrowda Villa Charles CANDY aged 74 died 30 Mar 1918 Pleasant Row George Henry Eddy HALL aged 53 died 6 May 1918 Princes Street Ann Sophia Hodge aged 80 died 15 Jul 1918 Alverton Vean, Penzance Amelia EDDY aged 64 died 1 Aug 1918 Gertrude Audrey LEGGO aged 4 died Nancherrow Farm Emily MATTHEWS aged 71 died 15 Nov 1918 Cape Cornwall Street Jane PASCOE died 6 Mar 1919 Carnbosavern John GRENFELL aged 58 died 21 Mar 1919 Fore Street Nanny MAY aged 53 died 6 Apr 1919 Chapel Street John TREZISE aged 31 died 11 Apr 1919 Harvey WALLIS aged 65 died 28 Apr 1919 Princes Street John MURRISH aged 68 died 5 Aug 1919 Botallack Peter BRANWELL died 20 Oct 1919 Levant Mine Sampson OSBORNE died 20 Oct 1919 Levant Mine William Henry TREGEAR died 20 Oct 1919 Levant Mine William E WATERS died 20 Oct 1919 Levant Mine Details from The Cornishman newspaper. This is not a comprehensive list. Bob Bolitho OPC St Just in Penwith

Hi all: I'd like to mention that I have some St. Just in Penwith connections in my family tree. The connections are by marriage and the groom surnames are Harvey, Leah, Leggo and Veal. The period is from about 1816 to 1824. Regards, Carol Collins

Hi Beth That's spot on. There are so many examples of this sort of thing. Your post should be framed and hung on the walls of all budding genealogists! best wishes Tony Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK On 03/01/2013 19:14, Elizabeth Marcheschi wrote: > Hi Joy, > Your message reminded me of a late, 2x grt-uncle who had been widowed > and remarried several times, each to a progressively younger wife. The > census follows a pattern where, as it was taken every ten years, but the > uncle aged only 3-5 years. While he was born (I have the documents) in 1824 > and lived to a very ripe old age of 87, his death certificate from 1911 > lists him as a mere 67! Even then, his widow was still younger by more than > a decade! > Thus, do your own math and remember that men can be just as vain as > women. > One more story that I just recalled! Another great-uncle had us very > confused because his name was common (John) but the census kept listing the > wrong birthplace, so we always felt that his info wasn't completely > accurate. Then, the 1901 census came out and I found him both widowed and > retired, living with his daughter and son-in-law. It listed the birthplace > and corresponding age that we felt was correct - and completely different > from all other censuses - likely because he was retired and was the one > giving the data to the census taker for the first time! > Warmest regards, > Beth Marcheschi > Colorado > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:38:21 +0000 (GMT) >> From: Joy Langdon <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Age information on documents >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> I have examples of baptisms much later than the age of two so I?would >> advise against?discounting a?baptism?just because it is later than?expected >> without investigation.? Sometimes the age is on the?register when it?occurs >> for an older child but not always.?? >> ? >> I also have examples of ages on death registers being wrong because the >> family didn't know - in one case the lady concerned had married a much >> younger man and she obviously told him she was 10 years younger than she >> was because that is the age that appears on the marriage certificate, all >> subsequent censuses and her death certificate!?? Fortunately, Scottish >> marriage certificates gave the bride and groom's mother's names?as well as >> the father's so when I eventually obtained the certificate after years of >> discounting the marriage because of the age differences pre and post 1861 >> census, it confirmed that it was the same lady.? >> ? >> Regards, >> ? >> Joy >> > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Buried in St Just in Penwith Wesleyan cemetery - Matilda CHENHALLS aged 80 died 12 Feb 1915 3 Market Street Thomas HICKS aged 66 died 23 Mar 1915 Carnbosavern Thomas JELBART aged 66 died 29 Mar 1915 24 Pleasant Row Mary Annie KEVERN aged 25 died 7 Apr 1915 Nanquidno Ethel STEPHENS aged 9 died 20 Apr 1915 Truthwall Grace Tonkin ROWE aged 35 died 3 Jun 1915 Carnbosavern Mary WILLIAMS aged 91 died 15 Jul 1915 17 Marine Terrace, Penzance Mary Jane MURLEY aged 65 died 18 Jul 1915 42 Cape Cornwall Street John ANDREWARTHA aged 81 died 22 Aug 1915 Queen Street John O ROWE aged 70 died 4 Nov 1915 West Place Howard RICKARD aged 33 died 6 Dec 1915 Penzance Infirmary Elizabeth PASCOE aged 82 died 13 Dec 1915 Chywoone James PASCOE aged 2 months died 15 Dec 1915 Trewellard Details from The Cornishman newspaper. This is not a comprehensive list. Bob Bolitho OPC St Just in Penwith

Hi Joy, Your message reminded me of a late, 2x grt-uncle who had been widowed and remarried several times, each to a progressively younger wife. The census follows a pattern where, as it was taken every ten years, but the uncle aged only 3-5 years. While he was born (I have the documents) in 1824 and lived to a very ripe old age of 87, his death certificate from 1911 lists him as a mere 67! Even then, his widow was still younger by more than a decade! Thus, do your own math and remember that men can be just as vain as women. One more story that I just recalled! Another great-uncle had us very confused because his name was common (John) but the census kept listing the wrong birthplace, so we always felt that his info wasn't completely accurate. Then, the 1901 census came out and I found him both widowed and retired, living with his daughter and son-in-law. It listed the birthplace and corresponding age that we felt was correct - and completely different from all other censuses - likely because he was retired and was the one giving the data to the census taker for the first time! Warmest regards, Beth Marcheschi Colorado On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:38:21 +0000 (GMT) > From: Joy Langdon <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Age information on documents > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I have examples of baptisms much later than the age of two so I?would > advise against?discounting a?baptism?just because it is later than?expected > without investigation.? Sometimes the age is on the?register when it?occurs > for an older child but not always.?? > ? > I also have examples of ages on death registers being wrong because the > family didn't know - in one case the lady concerned had married a much > younger man and she obviously told him she was 10 years younger than she > was because that is the age that appears on the marriage certificate, all > subsequent censuses and her death certificate!?? Fortunately, Scottish > marriage certificates gave the bride and groom's mother's names?as well as > the father's so when I eventually obtained the certificate after years of > discounting the marriage because of the age differences pre and post 1861 > census, it confirmed that it was the same lady.? > ? > Regards, > ? > Joy >

Hello Lois Thank you for the extra information on James, I did not know that he ended up in USA. He is not directly related to me, and I forget now why I was even chasing him. I think it was because Myra reported some extra records had become available. I am always after anyone who ended up in Devon. Tobias EDMONDS is a favourite name of mine and I try to chase any of them down no matter where they come from. My guess is that he was never baptised, which is quite often the case. Thankfully his marriage entry gives his father as Tobias, farmer. Bev Oz -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lois Mackin" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:18 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane/James EDMONDS c 1820 s/o Tobias St Hilary > Bev, > > If the James Edmonds son of Tobias you're referring to is the one who > married Eliza Spargo in 1848 and emigrated to Pennsylvania, I don't think > the 1820 Marazion baptism could be his. > > The tombstone of the James who married Eliza is in Odd Fellows Cemetery, > Tamaqua (Schuylkill County), Pennsylvania. It gives James' death date as > 16 May 1860 and his age as "42 years," suggesting a birth date of 1818. > This is consistent with the age 30 that appears on James' and Eliza's > marriage certificate. > > Ages for James in U.S. census records are not completely consistent with > the 1818 birth date, however. In the 1850 U.S. census, James' age is given > as 30 (suggesting a birth date of about 1820). He also appears on the 1860 > census mortality schedule for Schuylkill County; his age is given there as > 44 (suggesting a birth date of 1816). I believe these census ages are less > likely to be correct than the tombstone age, since we don't know who > provided the census information, while family members probably provided > the tombstone age, and James himself presumably provided the marriage > certificate age. > > Best regards, > Lois Mackin > Plymouth, Minnesota > > On Jan 1, 2013, at 2:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Message: 8 >> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 07:48:15 +1000 >> From: "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane/James EDMONDS c 1820 s/o Tobias St >> Hilary >> >> Thank you Bill, maybe the Vicar heard the name incorrect. I will make a >> note. Maybe James was never baptised. >> >> Bev >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Bill Curnow" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 7:41 AM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane/James EDMONDS c 1820 s/o Tobias St Hilary >> >>> Bev, >>> >>> The baptism was at Marazion, and it definitely says "Jane Dr of Tobias >>> [and] >>> Elizth EDMONDS." Here's the URL of the image: >>> >>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11877-86038-11?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-J57:n83661941 >>> >>> Happy New Year! >>> Bill Curnow >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 4:15 PM >>> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane/James EDMONDS c 1820 s/o Tobias St Hilary >>> >>>> Morning all, >>>> >>>> Day Month 16-Jan 1820 >>>> Marazion, St. Hilary >>>> Jane EDMONDS dau Tobias & Elizth >>>> Residence Marazion, farmer >>>> >>>> Would someone please be able to check this entry for me please. I have >>>> a >>>> James EDMONDS c 1818 s/o Tobias whose Baptism I cannot find in St >>>> Hilary. >>>> It >>>> has just occurred to me that Jane above could actually be a James. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Bev > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2637/5504 - Release Date: 01/02/13 >

WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER 16 January 1857 . CORNWALL COUNTY COURTS [left side letters cut off] . BODMIN - At the monthly sitting of this court held at the Guildhall on Wednesday last, there were forty-eight cases entered on the plaint [book], and five summonses issued for commitment. In eight cases, debt and costs were paid into court; twenty-four cases were struck out or settled between parties; in six cases judgment was signed by consent, and fifteen cases were heard and disposed of by Mr. BEVAN. . The only case containing any feature of public interest was the following, which lasted upwards of nine hours. There were a great number of persons present throughout the trial. . PROFFIT v. VYVYAN - Mr. BISHOP for plaintiff, Mr. WALLIS for defendant. The action was brought by Mr. Thomas PROFFIT, of Lanivet, farmer, against the Rev. Francis Vyell VYVYAN, rector of Withiel, to recover the sum of GBP 16, damages sustained by plaintiff by breach of warranty on the sale and exchange of a mare by defendant to the plaintiff, in the month of September last, and which mare the defendant then warranted to be sound, and staunch in harness, but was not sound or staunch in harness; and for damages sustained by plaintiff by reason of defendant having deceived the plaintiff on the sale and exchange by representing the mare to be sound and staunch in harness, whereas she was not so. . Mr. BISHOP opened the case, and called Thomas PROFFIT, who said, I reside at Tretoil, and farm part of Tretoil estate. I keep horses and occasionally draw ores and coals from and to the mines in the neighbourhood. . In August last, I wanted a horse for heavy draught; at that time I had a mare six years old which was not heavy enough for my work. I received in August a letter from PINCH offering a mare for sale in which he stated she was not very handsome but was sound and staunch. . I went to Withiel and saw Pinch and the mare; no arrangement or bargain was come to on this visit. I asked GBP 5 and his mare in exchange for mine. Pinch offered me GBP 1; the mare was then ploughing. I went some days after a second time, but, did not agree. On the 3rd occasion Pinch offered me 30s. and Mr. Vyvyan's mare for mine, which I accepted. I valued my mare in GBP 18; a farmer called JEFFERY had offered me that amount for her. I refused it. . I took away Mr. Vyvyan's mare with me after the bargain was made, and left my own. I saw an enlargement on the back when she came up from the plough; she cricked down behind, and I then noticed the back. I said she's bad. Pinch, the hind, said there was nothing the matter with her. I heard from the hind the first time, that she was injured when a colt, but was sound then. . In putting her home, I found she could scarcely travel. I tried the mare on getting home in the waggon; she would draw a little way and stop. A blacksmith named MAY saw her, and recommended me to return her. I worked her two days in drawing coals; she could not do her share. . I received assistance from Julian. I wrote the third day, and asked Pinch to take her back. I received no answer. I put her back to Withiel the Monday after. I saw Pinch and Mr. Vyvyan. I saw Pinch first. I told Pinch I had brought back the mare, as she was not sound as he warranted her to be. I said she was not good in harness. Pinch replied she will come better; he would not take her back again. . I went to Mr. Vyvyan, and he said he should not think of taking her back again. Mr. Vyvyan went with me to Pinch. Mr. Vyvyan said to Pinch, didn't I tell you to tell the mare's faults? Pinch said he did tell him all we had against her. I said the mare was not according to agreement, and I should not put her back again. I left the mare behind, and demanded mine. I next heard she was in the pound. I had a note to say she was in pound. I went and took her out. I went to an attorney. The mare is no service at all. I purchased on faith of letter. I have been obliged to buy another in her place. . Cross-examined by Mr. WALLIS - I keep four horses, but do not always work four in the waggon, never or seldom more than three. I drove her and two others in the waggon to try her. I went for coals from Dunmeer to Tretoil Mine, and had hard work to get home. She would only draw a little way and stop. I had help from Mr. ELSON's horses. . I employ my horses farming; occupy about forty acres. No ores were carrying at this time. I only used her in drawing coals before I put her back. I never heard her called "the Camel" before I exchanged. I saw Pinch the first time; Mr. Reginald VYVYAN was not present. No observation was made as to figure then. I told Pinch my mare was six years old. I bought her of Mr. DREW, on the 1st of last May. . I allow she was then in better condition than now. I've given her as much as six gallons of corn a day. She has been employed since, in sometimes carrying ore from the Duke of Cornwall Mine to the Bodmin Railway wharves. We load heavily. I loaded her heavily the first time to try her. Pinch said she was good in harness and sound. She had been used to farm work. My work is heavier work. I never said "Never mind, I’ll risk her." I said she is not a saleable mare, I must work her out. . Re-examined by Mr. Bishop: She can't work "fitty" at all. . Plaintiff was corroborated as to the mare's jibbing by William JEFFERY, a farmer of Bodmin; Robert MUTE, a carrier at Lanivet; by Thomas PROFFIT, the younger; George JULIAN, waggoner to Mr. ELSON, merchant, of Bodmin; and as to unsoundness by Thomas MAY, a farrier, at Trebyan, in Lanivet; John OUGH, innkeeper, at Bodmin; and William CARVOSE, a farrier, of Bodmin. . Mr. Wallis addressed the jury at some length, remarking on plaintiff's case generally, and called Thomas PINCH, who said I am hind to the Rev. Mr. Vyvyan, of Withiel. I attend to his cattle and transact his business of the farm. I exchanged mares with Proffit; our mare was fifteen hands and a half high and if not for her figure would have been worth GBP 30. I exchanged with Proffit for a mare of his nine years old, worth GBP 15. . Our mare was bred by me; she was four years old last spring; she was taken into harness soon after she was two years old, and was worked from that time up to sale and exchange regularly; she was not of good figure, but this is visible to any one, this is the only reason why we parted with her. . Before the purchase a great deal was said and observation made on her figure; she was called the "Camel"; she never shewed the least symptoms of unsoundness. She was taken away the Tuesday and returned the following Monday. I have since seen the mare working, drawing heavy weights from the mine. The plaintiff saw the mare work before he bought her; the plaintiff said "never mind, I'll risk her." I offered on her return to leave it to men; she was much reduced and had been apparently greatly overworked. . [Cross-examined: I never said the mare was injured when a foal; she was foaled like it and has grown so; always worked her, and never knew her jib; the man knew the mare's failings.] Mr. VYVYAN did not say "why did you not tell Proffit the mare's failings." . Re-examined by Mr. Wallis. Mr. Vyvyan said you told the man the mare's failings. I replied I did which was as to her deformity that he or any one else could see she is the shape of a camel. . Pinch was corroborated as to the conversation at the sale by Mr. Reginald VYVYAN and as to her staunchness and deformity when foaled by Mr. Reginald Vyvyan, Francis BREWER, Richard BREWER, and John BLAKE, workmen on Mr. Vyvyan's farm; Henry KINGDON, carrier of Withiel, Mr. Joseph ROBINS, Mr. Gideon HODGE, and Mr. William HODGE, large farmers of Withiel parish who have occasionally had the mare to assist when busy and who proved that the mare had worked well and staunch at farm work; and as to soundness by Mr. Thomas PENNO, a large farmer and farrier of Withiel, and Mr. John MUDGE, veterinary surgeon of Bodmin, who clearly explained and entered on the material consequences of the deformity. . Mr. Bishop replied contending that he had clearly proved a breach of warranty. . The judge, Mr. Bevan, proceeded after carefully explaining to the jury the law on warranty, to sum up, remarking on the evidence as he passed on, and concluded by leaving the case in the hands of the jury who being farmers were the better judges of a case of this kind. . The jury retired for about an hour, when, after the assistance of Mr. Bevan on the points of law, they returned into court and gave a verdict for plaintiff for half the amount claimed, viz. GBP 8, observing that they were of opinion that the mare was sound at the time of sale or exchange, but not staunch in heavy draught, and would have wished each party to pay his own costs. . In the case of VERCOE v GRANT - Defendant was committed for fourteen days for not appearing. Gardell v. Wilcock - Defendant was committed for thirty days for non-fulfilment of order of court. Oke v. Bellringer of Bodmin, carpenter, glazier, and painter. The defendant was committed for thirty days for non-fulfilment of order of court. . TRURO - At this court held on Friday last, before Mr. BEVAN, barrister-at-law, (acting in the place of the deceased judge of the court, Mr. KEKEWICH), there were sixty-nine cases entered for trial, none of which were of any public interest. . In the case of James CARNEGIE v. Frederick MONTROSE, tailor, the defendant was ordered to be committed for thirty days for not appearing to summons on a claim amounting to GBP 7.5s.4d. . Joseph THOMAS v. John GIDLEY - Defendant committed for fifteen days for non-appearance to answer a claim of 7s.8d. . TRURO POLICE - On Friday last, before the Mayor and Mr. CHAPPEL, Jane HARRISON was charged with drunken and disorderly conduct in Boscawen-street, at half-past twelve on the previous night; she was committed to the house of correction for fourteen days. . On Monday last, before the Mayor, Rosa JORY was convicted of a similar offence in St. Nicholas-street, about Eleven o'clock on Sunday night. She was sentenced to fourteen days' hard labour. . THE 100th PSALM - The long-disputed question whether PURCELL or HANDEL was the author of the grand music of the Old Hundredth has been set at rest by a discovery made a few days since in Lincoln Cathedral library. Purcell died in 1695, and Handel in 1759. But in the cathedral library a French psalter, printed in 1546, contains the music of the Old Hundredth, exactly as it is now sung, so that it could not be the production of either of the great musicians to whom it has been attributed. Doncaster Gazette . Julia M. . West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell

Hi Wesley, It might have something to do with the state of Kenwyn parish church in 1819. The Genuki page for Kenwyn contains this information: "In 1819 the church had become so delapidated through extreme old age that it was considered unsafe for further use. The church was completely reconstructed and was reopened for divine worship on 8th October 1820." On the marriage image that has the BUDSON/PAINTER marriage, there is another where the couple were of Kenwyn but married in the Church of Kea. The same reverend did the service for both the Kea church and Kenwyn church marriages. The Genuki page for Kea states that the parish church there was constructed in 1802. Perhaps this couple preferred to dodge the crumbling stone and marry in the shiny new church, or maybe they just lived closer to it? I hope no one does their research based solely on a parish register index, but for what it's worth, the marriage entry as transcribed on the OPC database for this marriage clearly notes the "Kea church" information. Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wesley Johnston" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:00 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Marriage at Kea recorded at Kenwyn but not at Kea >I came across an unusual situation, at least in my experience. So I am >wondering if anyone else has any experience of this. > > John Butson and Ann Painter, both of the parish of Kenwyn married 6 Aug > 1819 at Kea. > > The marriage is recorded at Kenwyn: > familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11775-48029-76 > > But there is no entry for the marriage at Kea: > familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12433-51941-57 > > FamilySearch does not have the banns books posted, so that I cannot check > those. > > > Why would the marriage not have been recorded at Kea, if that is where it > took place? > > Certainly anyone working solely from a parish register index would not see > the actual place of the marriage and would conclude that the marriage > recorded at Kenwyn took place at Kenwyn, which it did not do. > > > One other thing worth noting: There is a gap of about 6 weeks in the Kea > marriages, which might be because a lot of couples chose to marry in June, > so that the supply of marrying couples was briefly exhausted. Kea was a > smaller parish than Kenwyn, which does not seem to have had such a gap. > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I came across an unusual situation, at least in my experience. So I am wondering if anyone else has any experience of this. John Butson and Ann Painter, both of the parish of Kenwyn married 6 Aug 1819 at Kea. The marriage is recorded at Kenwyn: familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11775-48029-76 But there is no entry for the marriage at Kea: familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12433-51941-57 FamilySearch does not have the banns books posted, so that I cannot check those. Why would the marriage not have been recorded at Kea, if that is where it took place? Certainly anyone working solely from a parish register index would not see the actual place of the marriage and would conclude that the marriage recorded at Kenwyn took place at Kenwyn, which it did not do. One other thing worth noting: There is a gap of about 6 weeks in the Kea marriages, which might be because a lot of couples chose to marry in June, so that the supply of marrying couples was briefly exhausted. Kea was a smaller parish than Kenwyn, which does not seem to have had such a gap.