Hi Joe, How can one submit DNA results to the Cornwall Y-DNA Project? My husband who is a Cornish descendant and has a number of Cornish ancestors did have his mitrochondrial DNA (matrilineal) analyzed by the DNA lab at Lakehead University in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada. Their analysis identified him his haplogroup and his various differences (can't remember the exact term right now) but did not give any % breakdown of country/ethnic lines, though it did identify his haplogroup, generally, as going back 40,000 years. We'd like to add his DNA results to Cornwall project. His Cornwall links are to TROWERN (Trouern, etc. variants), THOMAS, QUICK, SYMONS, RULE, and some others. Thanks! Elle & Glenn Warner Based in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Flood" <coad@one-name.org> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH] DNA surprise > These tests purporting to show that someone is x% American Indian or > African > are extremely dubious and a waste of money. Completely meaningless would > be > a test that claimed to show someone was y% Portuguese or British or > Scandinavian. All West European lines are throughly churned - though > different locations do show certain persistant differences. > > Joe Flood > Administrator, Cornwall Y-DNA Project > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Tamulion" <d.tamulion@att.net> > To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] DNA surprise > > >> Why I am surprised is that it's like a third of a percent of my English >> heritage. With my research, I haven't found any one with a Scandinavian >> name, I just can't imagine that 10% would be around for so long if it was >> from the 700's to 1000's. Then I got to thinking today. My 4th great >> grandmother had my 3rd great grandmother in Falmouth and I don't have a >> father listed as she was born on the *other side of the blanket*. Could >> her father have been a Scandinavian sailor? It might explain the 10% >> better than from over a 1000's years ago. I guess I am looking for >> answers and I don't think I will find one any time soon. Just another >> piece of the puzzle and hopefully one day I can fit that piece in place. >> Diane in Wisconsin >> >> On 10/1/2012 2:45 AM, John C CARBIS wrote: >>> Good morning Diane >>> Why be surprised? >>> Way back in the distance mists of time the Celtic race may well have >>> started in what was then known as the Celtic states in the north of >>> Europe. >>> With time and the need to expand there was migration into middle Europe >>> and then into the south, the east and also into the west. >>> In all probability, the migration also moved across what was then >>> nothing >>> more than marsh land that may have separated the modern UK from the >>> Netherlands. >>> The Vikings and the the Romans did what nothing else did and created the >>> two communities of Cornwell and Wales. >>> The Picts and the Irish where already in existence many years before >>> this >>> period. >>> >>> >>> As for reading you may wish to start with Nora chadwick's book 'The >>> Celts' >>> The Celtic World, Aldhouse GreenThe Ancient Celts, B cunliffePrehistoric >>> Europe, B cunliffeThe Atlantic Celts, S JKames >>> Best regards, John >>> him in scarlet at chelsea >>> >>> >>>> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 05:49:36 -0500 >>>> From: d.tamulion@att.net >>>> To: cornish@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [CORNISH] DNA surprise >>>> >>>> Has anyone had there DNA done and found a surprise like I did. By >>>> my so called heritage I am half English (grandfather from Cornwall, >>>> grandmother from Devon) and half Portuguese, with the DNA test, which >>>> holds true about the Portuguese side of 47% but I have found that I am >>>> only 36% British. The surprise is that I have 10% Scandinavian in me. >>>> I have done some reading and need to do more about why the Scandinavian >>>> is still so strong in my DNA if it was from the 700 to 800's England. >>>> I >>>> would love to hear from any body that has their DNA done and have found >>>> Scandinavian ancestry along with their British like I did. Or if >>>> anyone >>>> has any suggestions of reading material to find out more about the >>>> Scandinavian's in England I would welcome it. >>>> Diane in Wisconsin >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> Subscribe to digest by sending an email to >>>> CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject >>>> line and body text. 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Thanks Ella I'm running only a paternal line (Y-DNA) CORNWALL project, since tracing the history of Cornish surnames and the paternal line is my particular interest. The female line (mitochondrial) is also of great interest as women tended to stay put (or be kidnapped) rather more - but Im leaving that to others. Unfortunately you need to have your test registered with the market leader FTDNA in order to join the project (where it is fairly obvious how to join CORNWALL). We are building up fairly slowly and once we get to 250 men or so like our parent DEVON project I will begin some analysis. Later on I might see if there is some way to incorporate tests from other laboratories. ======================= With regard to these '% Scandinavian" tests - I am puzzled as to exactly what they mean. Of course there are many thousands of different haplotypes in Scandinavia representing very diverse origins - some of which are similar to common English ones, some of which are not. A bit more meaningful are the "% native American" tests since these guys really do have different DNA, having been separated from Europeans by maybe 40 000 years or so. However, we have heard of cases where someone has been reported as being "30% Indian" when they have absolutely no Indian blood as far as anyone can determine - their laboratory methods are very dubious. In other words, these things are a marketing gimmick by certain laboratories, and until they get a lot more rigorous as to what they are doing and why, we cant recommend them at all. Best JF ----- Original Message ----- From: "elle andra-warner" <eawarner@tbaytel.net> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH] DNA surprise > Hi Joe, > > How can one submit DNA results to the Cornwall Y-DNA Project? My husband > who is a Cornish descendant and has a number of Cornish ancestors did have > his mitrochondrial DNA (matrilineal) analyzed by the DNA lab at Lakehead > University in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada. Their analysis identified him > his haplogroup and his various differences (can't remember the exact term > right now) but did not give any % breakdown of country/ethnic lines, > though it did identify his haplogroup, generally, as going back 40,000 > years. > > We'd like to add his DNA results to Cornwall project. His Cornwall links > are to TROWERN (Trouern, etc. variants), THOMAS, QUICK, SYMONS, RULE, and > some others. > > Thanks! > > Elle & Glenn Warner > Based in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Flood" <coad@one-name.org> > To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:55 AM > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] DNA surprise > > >> These tests purporting to show that someone is x% American Indian or >> African >> are extremely dubious and a waste of money. Completely meaningless would >> be >> a test that claimed to show someone was y% Portuguese or British or >> Scandinavian. All West European lines are throughly churned - though >> different locations do show certain persistant differences. >> >> Joe Flood >> Administrator, Cornwall Y-DNA Project >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diane Tamulion" <d.tamulion@att.net> >> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [CORNISH] DNA surprise >> >> >>> Why I am surprised is that it's like a third of a percent of my English >>> heritage. With my research, I haven't found any one with a Scandinavian >>> name, I just can't imagine that 10% would be around for so long if it >>> was >>> from the 700's to 1000's. Then I got to thinking today. My 4th great >>> grandmother had my 3rd great grandmother in Falmouth and I don't have a >>> father listed as she was born on the *other side of the blanket*. Could >>> her father have been a Scandinavian sailor? It might explain the 10% >>> better than from over a 1000's years ago. I guess I am looking for >>> answers and I don't think I will find one any time soon. Just another >>> piece of the puzzle and hopefully one day I can fit that piece in place. >>> Diane in Wisconsin >>> >>> On 10/1/2012 2:45 AM, John C CARBIS wrote: >>>> Good morning Diane >>>> Why be surprised? >>>> Way back in the distance mists of time the Celtic race may well have >>>> started in what was then known as the Celtic states in the north of >>>> Europe. >>>> With time and the need to expand there was migration into middle Europe >>>> and then into the south, the east and also into the west. >>>> In all probability, the migration also moved across what was then >>>> nothing >>>> more than marsh land that may have separated the modern UK from the >>>> Netherlands. >>>> The Vikings and the the Romans did what nothing else did and created >>>> the >>>> two communities of Cornwell and Wales. >>>> The Picts and the Irish where already in existence many years before >>>> this >>>> period. >>>> >>>> >>>> As for reading you may wish to start with Nora chadwick's book 'The >>>> Celts' >>>> The Celtic World, Aldhouse GreenThe Ancient Celts, B >>>> cunliffePrehistoric >>>> Europe, B cunliffeThe Atlantic Celts, S JKames >>>> Best regards, John >>>> him in scarlet at chelsea >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 05:49:36 -0500 >>>>> From: d.tamulion@att.net >>>>> To: cornish@rootsweb.com >>>>> Subject: [CORNISH] DNA surprise >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone had there DNA done and found a surprise like I did. >>>>> By >>>>> my so called heritage I am half English (grandfather from Cornwall, >>>>> grandmother from Devon) and half Portuguese, with the DNA test, which >>>>> holds true about the Portuguese side of 47% but I have found that I am >>>>> only 36% British. The surprise is that I have 10% Scandinavian in me. >>>>> I have done some reading and need to do more about why the >>>>> Scandinavian >>>>> is still so strong in my DNA if it was from the 700 to 800's England. >>>>> I >>>>> would love to hear from any body that has their DNA done and have >>>>> found >>>>> Scandinavian ancestry along with their British like I did. Or if >>>>> anyone >>>>> has any suggestions of reading material to find out more about the >>>>> Scandinavian's in England I would welcome it. >>>>> Diane in Wisconsin >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> Subscribe to digest by sending an email to >>>>> CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject >>>>> line and body text. 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