Hi Caroline can you find him in the 1841 and 1851 census if so what does it say.. was his mother's name stevens and he was born out of wedlock.. cheers denis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Haines" <hainesc@msu.edu> To: <CORNISH-L@rootsweb.com>; <cornish-gen-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:59 AM Subject: [CORNISH] Back to Anthony Stevens AGAIN > Hi all, > > I am back to square one with Anthony Stevens bapt we think 1808 Gulval > with > parents Anthony and Elizabeth. > > I cannot find a marriage for Anthony and Elizabeth in Cornwall at least > with > the records in the OPC database or with the Cornwall Parish Register site. > There is an Andrew and Elizabeth Eddy 1797 Gulval and an Andrew and > Elizabeth Richards 1808. > > Wondering how to tell them apart IF one of them is the correct one. So far > in 11 years I have only found one child for Anthony and Elizabeth and no > marriage. > > Any help appreciated. I am sort of getting to get discouraged as I > haven't > been able to figure this out. > > > > Carolyn Haines > > Holt, Michigan 48842 > > > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Although I've been involved here since about 1997, I've been away from genealogy & the lists for several years, but I suddenly have time, due to illness (ovarian cancer - I'm very upfront about it because I had no symptoms, family history & it was found accidently - at Stage IIIc so I want everyone to watch every lady from 16 to 116 years old, around you, just in case!). Thus, I have so many questions on how best to "catch-up" with what is out there. I have the big - I think it's called the World Subscription - to Ancestry, but lately I find that "Find My Past.uk.co" turns up quite a bit. I think that I used it ages ago, but don't if it is worth a subscription or even which subscription might cover what Ancestry does not have? Does anyone have an opinion? After all of these years, I do have quite a bit completed, but also have gaping holes, such as the Cornwall Militia records from 1790 -1803 and anything along the border towns lining Cornwall and Devonshire. Devonshire records seem sparse, as well and those likely would help, since my rellies hopped back and forth between the two to go courting and even elope. I would welcome any ideas you have about this and new places to search. Thank you all, in advance. Warmest regards, Beth Marcheschi Aurora, Colorado (formerly California)

Hm thanks very much Julia. "King Charles" (Rashliegh) and "King Edward" (Coode) were moving towards the height of their powers at this time - Rashleigh was about to build Charlestown and needed money. Rashleigh and later Coode were agents for Tewington, which was the bulk of St Austell, on behalf of the Duchy, and Coode operated a fair bit of the land later on I'm still having trouble working out exactly how Coode went about accumulating all his property - particularly the mass buying of five manors in 1813 "from Arundell" - making him and his descendants one of the largest resident landowners; so if anyone has any information on this it would be greatly appreciated. JF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julia Mosman" <jwmos99@msn.com> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 9:06 PM Subject: [CORNISH] Edw. Coode, Chas Rashleigh,N Norway- Free holders of Tewington Manor > > Hello All - > I'm posting this as it may be of interest to some folks, and it can act as > a sample of what is contained in many Manorial Court Rolls. The writer > didn't add punctuation, so this is all one sentence! I've added the > "paragraph" markers, just because the Rootsweb servers will add them at > random places elsewise. > Currently, I'm adding Manorial records from Tewington to the St. Austell > website. They refer to fishermen and tinners, as well as gentlemen, so > they may prove of interest to everyone who has relatives in the > parish[es]. > The records came directly from the Cornwall Record Office archives; Ken > Ozanne, a historian from Australia, spent quite a bit of time filming them > this past year, so I could transcribe them and put them online. As far as > we know, these records haven't been published elsewhere. > There are also quite descriptive Manorial records for some of the other > manors in the parish, from quite a long time ago. (the early 1600's, and > 1591) complete with descriptions of the houses and "outbuildings". Even if > your family isn't singled out, they might have had similar homes. > Hope some of you visit the site, and have fun looking at the Manorial > records (which will be added to quite a bit over the coming months!) > Cheers, > > Julia M. > West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad > St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell > ........................................... > The Manor of Tewington - 1 November 1794 CRO reference no. CF/3134 > . >

Tan ha Dowr are still dancing! Yes, we had a wonderful time at Pen Argyl, and made many wonderful friends there. I'm no longer involved, and neither are my daughters (Faith, who played fiddle in the band, and Erin who danced) but the group has kept on going and evolving. This is their website, http://www.an-daras.com/w_tanhadowr/Tan%20Ha%20Dowr%20Home%20Page.htm#WHO%20ARE%20TAN%20HA%20DOWR? and if you Google them you'll find various videos and other links to them, as well as to the vibrant Cornish music and dance scene. They produced a CD of Cornish dance tunes, called 'Loer' (which I recorded), and which can still sometimes be found for sale on the internet. But you can also listen to 4 of their traditional tunes on their website, where the dance moves are explained. Faith and I still play in a Cornish based ceilidh band, called the Ransome Crawlers, but I'm afraid we don't play many Cornish tunes (mainly Irish, Welsh, Scottish and Breton), and Faith made a CD about 10 years ago, which is packed with Cornish tunes. Her band was called 'Tezen Koynt' and the CD was called 'Piskie Led'. You can sometimes find this on the internet, or you can contact me 'off list' if you are interested, because I've still got some here! Enjoy! John in wintery Cornwall. where This message and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the recipient please email the sender and delete this message and any attachments from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message and attachments, or disclose the contents to any other person. Although we have taken steps to ensure that this message and any attachments are virus free, We can take no responsibility if a virus is actually present. We advise you to carry out your own virus check. > From: anvowermill@hotmail.com > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:41:23 -0500 > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Country Dancing > > Connie - That was at Pen Argyl in 1999. The dance group was Tan ha Dwr. We also had a group of local girls coached by Sian Frick whom I know as a Welsh dance group leader - Danswr a Tract Cymreig - and member of Royal Scottish Dance Society. The Pen Argyl girls did quite well. Pity we didn't keep the group together. Albert hag Howlek an Gath > > From: dccows@comcast.net > > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:33:59 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Country Dancing > > > > > > At the Cornish Gathering in Pennsylvania John Cole had a group of girls > > performed Cornish dancing. His daughter was one of the girls. When was that > > Albert? > > Connie in very cold Utah it was 0 degrees F this morning at my home. > > > > ------------------------------- > > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John - Delight to hear from you as always. We here in PA certainly remember the 1999 Gathering and the dancing. I've checked out the girls on U-tube and they still do put on a proper show. Oll an gwella, Albert Jenkin hag Howlek an Gath > From: dazzleme@live.co.uk > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:39:23 +0000 > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Country Dancing > > > Tan ha Dowr are still dancing! Yes, we had a wonderful time at Pen Argyl, and made many wonderful friends there. > > I'm no longer involved, and neither are my daughters (Faith, who played fiddle in the band, and Erin who danced) but the group has kept on going and evolving. This is their website, > http://www.an-daras.com/w_tanhadowr/Tan%20Ha%20Dowr%20Home%20Page.htm#WHO%20ARE%20TAN%20HA%20DOWR? > and if you Google them you'll find various videos and other links to them, as well as to the vibrant Cornish music and dance scene. > > They produced a CD of Cornish dance tunes, called 'Loer' (which I recorded), and which can still sometimes be found for sale on the internet. But you can also listen to 4 of their traditional tunes on their website, where the dance moves are explained. > > Faith and I still play in a Cornish based ceilidh band, called the Ransome Crawlers, but I'm afraid we don't play many Cornish tunes (mainly Irish, Welsh, Scottish and Breton), and Faith made a CD about 10 years ago, which is packed with Cornish tunes. Her band was called 'Tezen Koynt' and the CD was called 'Piskie Led'. You can sometimes find this on the internet, or you can contact me 'off list' if you are interested, because I've still got some here! > > Enjoy! > John in wintery Cornwall. > > > From: anvowermill@hotmail.com > > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:41:23 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Country Dancing > > > > Connie - That was at Pen Argyl in 1999. The dance group was Tan ha Dwr. We also had a group of local girls coached by Sian Frick whom I know as a Welsh dance group leader - Danswr a Tract Cymreig - and member of Royal Scottish Dance Society. The Pen Argyl girls did quite well. Pity we didn't keep the group together. Albert hag Howlek an Gath > > > From: dccows@comcast.net > > > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:33:59 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Country Dancing > > > > > > > > > At the Cornish Gathering in Pennsylvania John Cole had a group of girls > > > performed Cornish dancing. His daughter was one of the girls. When was that > > > Albert? > > > Connie in very cold Utah it was 0 degrees F this morning at my home. > > >

Hi all, I am back to square one with Anthony Stevens bapt we think 1808 Gulval with parents Anthony and Elizabeth. I cannot find a marriage for Anthony and Elizabeth in Cornwall at least with the records in the OPC database or with the Cornwall Parish Register site. There is an Andrew and Elizabeth Eddy 1797 Gulval and an Andrew and Elizabeth Richards 1808. Wondering how to tell them apart IF one of them is the correct one. So far in 11 years I have only found one child for Anthony and Elizabeth and no marriage. Any help appreciated. I am sort of getting to get discouraged as I haven't been able to figure this out. Carolyn Haines Holt, Michigan 48842

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 09:06:47 PM Julia Mosman wrote: > ........................................... > The Manor of Tewington - 1 November 1794 CRO reference no. CF/3134 > (...) > At this Court came Charles RASHLEIGH Esquire, one of the Customary Tenants > of the said Manor, and did surrender into the Hands of the said Duke of > Cornwall, Lord of the said Manor, ALL that Plot or Piece of Ground > containing by Examination two Acres of Land or thereabouts, together with > the Cellars formerly erected and built thereon by JOHN JENNINGS deceased, > which said premises were formerly in the occupation of Macklen TUCKER, > also deceased, afterwards of Nevil NORWAY, Gentleman, and now of the said > Charles Rashleigh, his undertenant or Undertenants, Interesting mention of a Nevil NORWAY. As it is 1794 this would probably have been the father or grandfather of the Nevill NORWAY of Egloshayle (Wadebridge) murdered by the LIGHTFOOT brothers on the Wadebridge-Bodmin road in 1840 and an ancesstor of the author Neville Shute (NORWAY). -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au ====

Hello All - I'm posting this as it may be of interest to some folks, and it can act as a sample of what is contained in many Manorial Court Rolls. The writer didn't add punctuation, so this is all one sentence! I've added the "paragraph" markers, just because the Rootsweb servers will add them at random places elsewise. Currently, I'm adding Manorial records from Tewington to the St. Austell website. They refer to fishermen and tinners, as well as gentlemen, so they may prove of interest to everyone who has relatives in the parish[es]. The records came directly from the Cornwall Record Office archives; Ken Ozanne, a historian from Australia, spent quite a bit of time filming them this past year, so I could transcribe them and put them online. As far as we know, these records haven't been published elsewhere. There are also quite descriptive Manorial records for some of the other manors in the parish, from quite a long time ago. (the early 1600's, and 1591) complete with descriptions of the houses and "outbuildings". Even if your family isn't singled out, they might have had similar homes. Hope some of you visit the site, and have fun looking at the Manorial records (which will be added to quite a bit over the coming months!) Cheers, Julia M. West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell ........................................... The Manor of Tewington - 1 November 1794 CRO reference no. CF/3134 . To Wit - An EXTRACT of all Surrenders Fines and other Profits arising within the said Manor from the Feast of Saint Michael the Archangel in the thirty fourth year of the reign of our Lord George the Third King of Great Britain and so forth to the Feast of Saint Michael the Archangel in the thirty fifth year of his said Majesty's reign. . To Wit - A special Court of and for the said Manor held for his Royal Highness George Augustus Frederick Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall, Lord of the said Manor held at the Market house in the Parish of Saint Austell in the County of Cornwall within the said Manor the first day of November in the thirty fifth year of the reign of our Soverign Lord George the Third, by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King Defender of the Faith and so forth in the year seven hundred and ninety four before Nicholas Crews, Gentleman, Deputy Steward of the said Manor. . At this Court came Charles RASHLEIGH Esquire, one of the Customary Tenants of the said Manor, and did surrender into the Hands of the said Duke of Cornwall, Lord of the said Manor, ALL that Plot or Piece of Ground containing by Examination two Acres of Land or thereabouts, together with the Cellars formerly erected and built thereon by JOHN JENNINGS deceased, which said premises were formerly in the occupation of Macklen TUCKER, also deceased, afterwards of Nevil NORWAY, Gentleman, and now of the said Charles Rashleigh, his undertenant or Undertenants, in which said two Acres of Land on the extreme point NorthWest several new Dwelling Houses and Outhouses and a Twine Spinning house are lately erected or now in building and the whole bounded on the North with the Lands of the said Charles Rashleigh late the Lands of Sir Christopher HAWKINS Baronet on the West and NorthWest by part of the Common called Gwallyn Portmellyn and Towyn and now held by the said Charles Rashleigh und! er his Royal Highness the Prince on lease for Lives and on the South by other Lands of the said Charles Rashleigh formerly part of the Lands of Richard Sawle Esquire deceased Together also with all that parcel of Beach or Strand and new erected Quay or Pier lying between the several Lands abovementioned and low Water Mark, containing in Length from East to West one thousand Feet or thereabouts. (Wrecks of the Sea and all other Royalties Liberties and Privileges excepted) [this is as written] . UPON this Intention nevertheless and under the Condition that Edward COODE the Younger Gentleman may have and take the premises aforesaid with the apputenances to him the said Edward COODE the Younger his Heirs and Assigns for ever according to the Custom of the said Manor And thereupon at the same Court came the said Edward Coode the Younger in his proper person and did take of the said Lord of the said Manor by the Hands of the said Deputy Steward All and singular the said premises with the appurtenances TO HAVE AND TO HOLD all and singular the premises aforesaid with the appurtances unto the said Edward COODE the Younger his Heirs and Assigns for ever according to the Custom of the said Manor by the old Rents of three shillings and four pence and two pence and the increased Rent of forty shillings and the Suits and Services thereof first and of right accustomed . And he gave to the Lord of the said Manor as a Fine according to the ancient Acknowledgment one shilling and four pence and did his Fealty . And he finds Pledges as well for Payment of the Rents as for Reparations and other Services to be done and performed to wit Henry LAMBE and George TALLACK Gentlemen two of the Customary Tenants of the said Manor And thereupon he is admitted Tenant thereof Given under my Hand and Seal the Day and Year abovesaid. Ns. CREWS, Depy Stewd.

Another Curnow Homecoming (ACH’13) will take place at Marazion on the weekend of May 04/05 of this New Year. It is the latest in a series of worldwide Curnow family reunions held since 1990, when more than 300 cousins attended the very first at St. Hilary. Subsequent gatherings have taken place in Cornwall, Australia, and the USA. Now it’s time to return to the Cornish homeland during the beautiful spring season and link your reunion visit to other traditional events taking place at that time of year - Saturday, April 27 Trevithick Day at Camborne, a celebration of steam power Wednesday, May 01 May Day at Padstow, when the famous ‘Obby ‘Oss tours the town Wednesday, May 08 Furry Day at Helston, with dancing in the streets It is a pleasure to invite all folks named CURNOW, CURNOE, or CURNO, their descendants of any surname, and those who are simply friends of the clan to attend this celebration of roots in the Cornish homeland. For more information, contact Howard Curnow (hcurnow@mhtc.net) or myself (wjcurnow@kernow.com). Bill Curnow Port Charlotte, FL, USA

I so wish to get back to my birthplace in Cornwall. This was wonderful to view. Thanks so much for sharing! Lainie California On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:25 AM, <melibob4@texasbb.com> wrote: > Hi, Listers.... am I the only one in the world who had never seen this > wonderful youtube video before? “Brave storyteller Will Coleman strides, > pipes, drinks and rows his way across Kernow, welcoming Spring, celebrating > Summer, from Helston Flora to Padstow May Day, St Just Lafrowda to Saltash > Regatta, telling Cornish creation tale the Horn Of Plenty.” > > http://vimeo.com/41724325 > > Enjoy! Meli > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.comwith the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes this is great. I saw it last year and put it in the CAHS newsletter. > Thanks for sending that link! I LOVED that! I will send it on to my kids so > they can see it. > Jan in San Diego > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <melibob4@texasbb.com> > To: <CORNISH@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:25 AM > Subject: [CORNISH] Fab and fun video on the creation of Cornwall > > >> Hi, Listers....  am I the only one in the world who had never seen this >> wonderful youtube video before?   “Brave storyteller Will Coleman strides, >> pipes, drinks and rows his way across Kernow, welcoming Spring, >> celebrating Summer, from Helston Flora to Padstow May Day, St Just >> Lafrowda to Saltash Regatta, telling Cornish creation tale the Horn Of >> Plenty.” >> >> http://vimeo.com/41724325 >> >> Enjoy!    Meli >> ------------------------------- >> Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text.  If you want, >> MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to >> CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to > CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject > line and body text.  If you want, MIME digests, email > CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message   Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842

Connie - That was at Pen Argyl in 1999. The dance group was Tan ha Dwr. We also had a group of local girls coached by Sian Frick whom I know as a Welsh dance group leader - Danswr a Tract Cymreig - and member of Royal Scottish Dance Society. The Pen Argyl girls did quite well. Pity we didn't keep the group together. Albert hag Howlek an Gath > From: dccows@comcast.net > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:33:59 -0700 > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Country Dancing > > > At the Cornish Gathering in Pennsylvania John Cole had a group of girls > performed Cornish dancing. His daughter was one of the girls. When was that > Albert? > Connie in very cold Utah it was 0 degrees F this morning at my home. > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Love it. That is truly who we are. Well told, well played, well sung. Kernow Bys Vyken! Albert Jenkin hag Howlek an Gath > From: melibob4@texasbb.com > To: CORNISH@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:25:45 -0600 > Subject: [CORNISH] Fab and fun video on the creation of Cornwall > > Hi, Listers.... am I the only one in the world who had never seen this wonderful youtube video before? “Brave storyteller Will Coleman strides, pipes, drinks and rows his way across Kernow, welcoming Spring, celebrating Summer, from Helston Flora to Padstow May Day, St Just Lafrowda to Saltash Regatta, telling Cornish creation tale the Horn Of Plenty.” > > http://vimeo.com/41724325 > > Enjoy! Meli > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At the Cornish Gathering in Pennsylvania John Cole had a group of girls performed Cornish dancing. His daughter was one of the girls. When was that Albert? Connie in very cold Utah it was 0 degrees F this morning at my home.

Hi, Listers.... am I the only one in the world who had never seen this wonderful youtube video before? “Brave storyteller Will Coleman strides, pipes, drinks and rows his way across Kernow, welcoming Spring, celebrating Summer, from Helston Flora to Padstow May Day, St Just Lafrowda to Saltash Regatta, telling Cornish creation tale the Horn Of Plenty.” http://vimeo.com/41724325 Enjoy! Meli

Thanks for sending that link! I LOVED that! I will send it on to my kids so they can see it. Jan in San Diego ----- Original Message ----- From: <melibob4@texasbb.com> To: <CORNISH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:25 AM Subject: [CORNISH] Fab and fun video on the creation of Cornwall > Hi, Listers.... am I the only one in the world who had never seen this > wonderful youtube video before? “Brave storyteller Will Coleman strides, > pipes, drinks and rows his way across Kernow, welcoming Spring, > celebrating Summer, from Helston Flora to Padstow May Day, St Just > Lafrowda to Saltash Regatta, telling Cornish creation tale the Horn Of > Plenty.” > > http://vimeo.com/41724325 > > Enjoy! Meli > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER 16 January 1857 . CORNWALL COUNTY COURTS [left side letters cut off] . BODMIN - At the monthly sitting of this court held at the Guildhall on Wednesday last, there were forty-eight cases entered on the plaint [book], and five summonses issued for commitment. In eight cases, debt and costs were paid into court; twenty-four cases were struck out or settled between parties; in six cases judgment was signed by consent, and fifteen cases were heard and disposed of by Mr. BEVAN. . The only case containing any feature of public interest was the following, which lasted upwards of nine hours. There were a great number of persons present throughout the trial. . PROFFIT v. VYVYAN - Mr. BISHOP for plaintiff, Mr. WALLIS for defendant. The action was brought by Mr. Thomas PROFFIT, of Lanivet, farmer, against the Rev. Francis Vyell VYVYAN, rector of Withiel, to recover the sum of GBP 16, damages sustained by plaintiff by breach of warranty on the sale and exchange of a mare by defendant to the plaintiff, in the month of September last, and which mare the defendant then warranted to be sound, and staunch in harness, but was not sound or staunch in harness; and for damages sustained by plaintiff by reason of defendant having deceived the plaintiff on the sale and exchange by representing the mare to be sound and staunch in harness, whereas she was not so. . Mr. BISHOP opened the case, and called Thomas PROFFIT, who said, I reside at Tretoil, and farm part of Tretoil estate. I keep horses and occasionally draw ores and coals from and to the mines in the neighbourhood. . In August last, I wanted a horse for heavy draught; at that time I had a mare six years old which was not heavy enough for my work. I received in August a letter from PINCH offering a mare for sale in which he stated she was not very handsome but was sound and staunch. . I went to Withiel and saw Pinch and the mare; no arrangement or bargain was come to on this visit. I asked GBP 5 and his mare in exchange for mine. Pinch offered me GBP 1; the mare was then ploughing. I went some days after a second time, but, did not agree. On the 3rd occasion Pinch offered me 30s. and Mr. Vyvyan's mare for mine, which I accepted. I valued my mare in GBP 18; a farmer called JEFFERY had offered me that amount for her. I refused it. . I took away Mr. Vyvyan's mare with me after the bargain was made, and left my own. I saw an enlargement on the back when she came up from the plough; she cricked down behind, and I then noticed the back. I said she's bad. Pinch, the hind, said there was nothing the matter with her. I heard from the hind the first time, that she was injured when a colt, but was sound then. . In putting her home, I found she could scarcely travel. I tried the mare on getting home in the waggon; she would draw a little way and stop. A blacksmith named MAY saw her, and recommended me to return her. I worked her two days in drawing coals; she could not do her share. . I received assistance from Julian. I wrote the third day, and asked Pinch to take her back. I received no answer. I put her back to Withiel the Monday after. I saw Pinch and Mr. Vyvyan. I saw Pinch first. I told Pinch I had brought back the mare, as she was not sound as he warranted her to be. I said she was not good in harness. Pinch replied she will come better; he would not take her back again. . I went to Mr. Vyvyan, and he said he should not think of taking her back again. Mr. Vyvyan went with me to Pinch. Mr. Vyvyan said to Pinch, didn't I tell you to tell the mare's faults? Pinch said he did tell him all we had against her. I said the mare was not according to agreement, and I should not put her back again. I left the mare behind, and demanded mine. I next heard she was in the pound. I had a note to say she was in pound. I went and took her out. I went to an attorney. The mare is no service at all. I purchased on faith of letter. I have been obliged to buy another in her place. . Cross-examined by Mr. WALLIS - I keep four horses, but do not always work four in the waggon, never or seldom more than three. I drove her and two others in the waggon to try her. I went for coals from Dunmeer to Tretoil Mine, and had hard work to get home. She would only draw a little way and stop. I had help from Mr. ELSON's horses. . I employ my horses farming; occupy about forty acres. No ores were carrying at this time. I only used her in drawing coals before I put her back. I never heard her called "the Camel" before I exchanged. I saw Pinch the first time; Mr. Reginald VYVYAN was not present. No observation was made as to figure then. I told Pinch my mare was six years old. I bought her of Mr. DREW, on the 1st of last May. . I allow she was then in better condition than now. I've given her as much as six gallons of corn a day. She has been employed since, in sometimes carrying ore from the Duke of Cornwall Mine to the Bodmin Railway wharves. We load heavily. I loaded her heavily the first time to try her. Pinch said she was good in harness and sound. She had been used to farm work. My work is heavier work. I never said "Never mind, I’ll risk her." I said she is not a saleable mare, I must work her out. . Re-examined by Mr. Bishop: She can't work "fitty" at all. . Plaintiff was corroborated as to the mare's jibbing by William JEFFERY, a farmer of Bodmin; Robert MUTE, a carrier at Lanivet; by Thomas PROFFIT, the younger; George JULIAN, waggoner to Mr. ELSON, merchant, of Bodmin; and as to unsoundness by Thomas MAY, a farrier, at Trebyan, in Lanivet; John OUGH, innkeeper, at Bodmin; and William CARVOSE, a farrier, of Bodmin. . Mr. Wallis addressed the jury at some length, remarking on plaintiff's case generally, and called Thomas PINCH, who said I am hind to the Rev. Mr. Vyvyan, of Withiel. I attend to his cattle and transact his business of the farm. I exchanged mares with Proffit; our mare was fifteen hands and a half high and if not for her figure would have been worth GBP 30. I exchanged with Proffit for a mare of his nine years old, worth GBP 15. . Our mare was bred by me; she was four years old last spring; she was taken into harness soon after she was two years old, and was worked from that time up to sale and exchange regularly; she was not of good figure, but this is visible to any one, this is the only reason why we parted with her. . Before the purchase a great deal was said and observation made on her figure; she was called the "Camel"; she never shewed the least symptoms of unsoundness. She was taken away the Tuesday and returned the following Monday. I have since seen the mare working, drawing heavy weights from the mine. The plaintiff saw the mare work before he bought her; the plaintiff said "never mind, I'll risk her." I offered on her return to leave it to men; she was much reduced and had been apparently greatly overworked. . [Cross-examined: I never said the mare was injured when a foal; she was foaled like it and has grown so; always worked her, and never knew her jib; the man knew the mare's failings.] Mr. VYVYAN did not say "why did you not tell Proffit the mare's failings." . Re-examined by Mr. Wallis. Mr. Vyvyan said you told the man the mare's failings. I replied I did which was as to her deformity that he or any one else could see she is the shape of a camel. . Pinch was corroborated as to the conversation at the sale by Mr. Reginald VYVYAN and as to her staunchness and deformity when foaled by Mr. Reginald Vyvyan, Francis BREWER, Richard BREWER, and John BLAKE, workmen on Mr. Vyvyan's farm; Henry KINGDON, carrier of Withiel, Mr. Joseph ROBINS, Mr. Gideon HODGE, and Mr. William HODGE, large farmers of Withiel parish who have occasionally had the mare to assist when busy and who proved that the mare had worked well and staunch at farm work; and as to soundness by Mr. Thomas PENNO, a large farmer and farrier of Withiel, and Mr. John MUDGE, veterinary surgeon of Bodmin, who clearly explained and entered on the material consequences of the deformity. . Mr. Bishop replied contending that he had clearly proved a breach of warranty. . The judge, Mr. Bevan, proceeded after carefully explaining to the jury the law on warranty, to sum up, remarking on the evidence as he passed on, and concluded by leaving the case in the hands of the jury who being farmers were the better judges of a case of this kind. . The jury retired for about an hour, when, after the assistance of Mr. Bevan on the points of law, they returned into court and gave a verdict for plaintiff for half the amount claimed, viz. GBP 8, observing that they were of opinion that the mare was sound at the time of sale or exchange, but not staunch in heavy draught, and would have wished each party to pay his own costs. . In the case of VERCOE v GRANT - Defendant was committed for fourteen days for not appearing. Gardell v. Wilcock - Defendant was committed for thirty days for non-fulfilment of order of court. Oke v. Bellringer of Bodmin, carpenter, glazier, and painter. The defendant was committed for thirty days for non-fulfilment of order of court. . TRURO - At this court held on Friday last, before Mr. BEVAN, barrister-at-law, (acting in the place of the deceased judge of the court, Mr. KEKEWICH), there were sixty-nine cases entered for trial, none of which were of any public interest. . In the case of James CARNEGIE v. Frederick MONTROSE, tailor, the defendant was ordered to be committed for thirty days for not appearing to summons on a claim amounting to GBP 7.5s.4d. . Joseph THOMAS v. John GIDLEY - Defendant committed for fifteen days for non-appearance to answer a claim of 7s.8d. . TRURO POLICE - On Friday last, before the Mayor and Mr. CHAPPEL, Jane HARRISON was charged with drunken and disorderly conduct in Boscawen-street, at half-past twelve on the previous night; she was committed to the house of correction for fourteen days. . On Monday last, before the Mayor, Rosa JORY was convicted of a similar offence in St. Nicholas-street, about Eleven o'clock on Sunday night. She was sentenced to fourteen days' hard labour. . THE 100th PSALM - The long-disputed question whether PURCELL or HANDEL was the author of the grand music of the Old Hundredth has been set at rest by a discovery made a few days since in Lincoln Cathedral library. Purcell died in 1695, and Handel in 1759. But in the cathedral library a French psalter, printed in 1546, contains the music of the Old Hundredth, exactly as it is now sung, so that it could not be the production of either of the great musicians to whom it has been attributed. Doncaster Gazette . Julia M. . West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell

Oh the horrors of school! At 11 or 12 I used to pull a 'sickie' when it was wet on the day we were due to have - segregated - Phys Ed., because that meant we had to combine with the species known as 'girls' and do dancing. The best I could ever manage was to walk slowly forward while one of those of the female persuasion held me at arm's length. I have never figured it out as to how one can waltz - 3 beats to the bar - when you only have 2 feet; and have never improved on my youthful performance. I now have the excuse of old age and gout to avoid such physical confrontation. All the best from the (currently) sunny BOP, NZ Bern On 02/01/2013, at 6:08 AM, Joan in Colorado <epistles@q.com> wrote: > Hi Lorna and Happy New Year everyone! I too enjoyed the Roger de Coverly dance at school and had forgotten all about it until I saw your post! Brought back memories of tripping around the school assembly hall with Miss Bayneham playing the piano. Those were the days, my friends! > > Best wishes from Joan in Colorado who has still not quite recovered from the wildest Cornish Christmas Party ever!! >

I have taught Cornish dancing in various schools and states in Australia, the name of our group is 'Cara y'n Donsya' which roughly translates to 'Love of Dance' Cheers Julie On 1/2/2013 7:02 AM, Joy Langdon wrote: > There is an article about Cornish Dance on Wikipedia: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_dance > > Here you can see some of the dances: > http://www.cornishdance.com/Cornish_Dance_Society/Videos.html > > I also remember enjoying country dancing at school and I belonged to a Scottish dancing group when I was in my 20s (my mother has Scottish ancestry). I wish there was a group near to me now, it is a much nicer way to shed those extra Christmas pounds than exercising at the gym. My New Year's resolution would have a much better chance of surviving for more than a week! > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: hlmw <hlmw1@telus.net> > To: Cornish <Cornish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 1 January 2013, 17:43 > Subject: [CORNISH] Country Dancing > > The mention of Sir Roger De Coverley in the West Briton 16 January 1857 > brought back many memories of learning this dance in school in England. I > had completely forgotten about Country Dancing. I went to UTube and lost > myself for an hour or so watching the delightful dance also known as the > Virginia Reel. Seeing it performed by children was pure delight. I n memory > I was a child again trying to drag some reluctant boy through the moves and > getting mixed up a lot as we moved on to the next pair of dancers down the > line. The only comparable dance here in Canada is the Square Dance with a > caller, not much performed here anymore. The ball written about in 1857 > seemed to be for the very rich and/or privileged, a very posh affair. What > other dances were enjoyed by the people of the time in Cornwall? > Thanks again Julia for this fine report. > Lorna May > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sent from my iPad On 02/01/2013, at 6:08 AM, Joan in Colorado <epistles@q.com> wrote: > Hi Lorna and Happy New Year everyone! I too enjoyed the Roger de Coverly dance at school and had forgotten all about it until I saw your post! Brought back memories of tripping around the school assembly hall with Miss Bayneham playing the piano. Those were the days, my friends! > > Best wishes from Joan in Colorado who has still not quite recovered from the wildest Cornish Christmas Party ever!! > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message