Hello, All, You are being so fabulous and kind with your advice and suggestions on what to do and how to do it for my forthcoming trip to “my ancestral homeland!” So many of you are either posting here or sending me emails with great ideas and wonderful hints on what to do, where to stay, how to travel, etc, and it is so greatly appreciated! Here is another question. My PHILLIPS clan lived at Nance near Portreath from about 1815 to 1835, as best I can figure from censuses, baptisms, etc. What is there to do around Portreath and Illogan? One more thing...so many of you are suggesting walks here and there.... sad to say, my walking is rather limited, even though I would love to strike out along a lane and hike from town to village, but alas, it won’t happen. And, instead of my renting a car, I see on line that there are companies or businesses that one can hire for a day to take a visitor around to the tourist spots. That way, as I will be traveling alone, I can pay attention to the sights instead of trying to drive on a narrow lane on the left side of the street, etc. Blessings, Meli

Hi, I've been reading the emails re train travel in Cornwall and have one question, what is a "chav"? I think this was a term used by one of our American cousins and it is not a word I have ever heard before (I am an Australian). Could someone please elucidate? Norma

Norma The Australian equivalent of a 'chav' is a 'bogan'. Hope that helps. Stephen  

I was trying to think what the US equivalent of chav would be as I was answering Norma's original question and I also thought of "white trash" although I think white trash carries a redneck flavor to it, while I'm not certain that there are rednecks in the UK.  Perhaps a chav in an American city would be called a "hood rat". Ah, slang . . . Uh oh!  I hear List Mom thinking "define OFF TOPIC!" Kitty in NorCal --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Jan Davis <jandavis3@cox.net> wrote: From: Jan Davis <jandavis3@cox.net> Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Chav To: cornish@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 6:27 PM Ah, now THAT term, I understand.............. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" <alan@dcsa.com.au> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Chav > White trash is a good starting point. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan > > From the Urban Dictionary: > "The majority of the species are hideously repugnant and unintelligent, > and yet they manage to breed in ever-increasing numbers and populate an > area known as the outer west. It is quite common to find five or six > offspring in each family group, often with a different father for each > new baby." > > See also: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav > > > On 01/31/2013 12:54 PM, Jan Davis wrote: >> OK, so what's a "bogan"? Anybody know an American translation??? >> Jan in San Diego >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <sahpjh@people.net.au> >> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:04 PM >> Subject: [CORNISH] Chav >> >> >>> >>> Norma >>> >>> The Australian equivalent of a 'chav' is a 'bogan'. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> Subscribe to digest by sending an email to >>> CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text.  If you want, >>> MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to >>> CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------- >> Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text.  If you want, >> MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to >> CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text.  If you want, > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text.  If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh my, yet another comment. I wasn't going to say anything to the list as a whole but maybe I should as I suggested services, so I will copy to list what I responded offlist to Dot: O dear, I was, I have to admit, carefully avoiding mention of St Just - a church which I only visit now when I am certain of not getting a service. I had hoped that it was just my experience there! It's sad, but there it is. I suspect he is a man with a real chip on his shoulder about the way the C of E is going, and this infects his attitudes. We constituted half his 8.00 congregation and he kept his back to all of us throughout and then appeared to hide until we had all gone! Mind you, the other two members of the congregation were shy but friendly enough! And he is the guy in charge at Sancreed too :( His predecessor in the 1970s was lovely! I'd still recommend going to services though - we generally infest Towednack/Zennor, Madron and Breage when we're down that way and a lovelier lot you couldn't wish to meet! St Just church is historically and architecturally great but sadly I wouldn't recommend it as a religious experience. However the ones I listed above together with Pendeen, St Buryan, Paul and the RC churches at Penzance and Hayle have all been fantastic. cheers Catherine -----Original Message----- From: Brian Millett <bmillett@u030.aone.net.au> To: 'Dot Hosking Huntley' <Dot@hoareserves.com>; cornish <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:03 Subject: Re: [CORNISH] travel We visited it in 1989 and the same people must still be there. They couldn't have cared less about us. A great pity and a missed opportunity!! Brian from Yass nr Canberra, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dot Hosking Huntley Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 4:55 AM To: cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH] travel Don't depend on a great welcome all the time. I visited the church at St Just twice on Sundays and was 90% ignored even tho' I smiled and greeted everyone who's eye I could catch, and the Vicar was very rude when I introduced myself to him. All depends on the people in the church. Dot Hosking Huntley -----Original Message----- From: tabletweaver@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:46 AM To: cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH] travel Indeed - one of the finest screens in the south west. Most of the village churches in Penwith are worth visiting for one reason or another. If they are by horrible chance locked, a good move is to look at service times and attend a service - you will get a great welcome and be able to see the church and ask questions. cheers Catherine -----Original Message----- From: hainesc <hainesc@msu.edu> To: cornish <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:54 Subject: [CORNISH] travel St Buryan has a wonderful wood piece that separates the altar of the church from the pews. My cousins go to that church and it is beautiful. Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842 ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. 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If you think of going to Geevor, do go about 200 yards down the road and experience one of the nicest pubs in Cornwall, the North Inn at Pendeen. It is unpretentious, does reasonably good pub food plus some of the best curries anywhere, good beer and proper Cornish friendliness. They do do excellent B & B but I must admit I'd be surprised if they are not already fully booked. Also go to the working steam engine at Levant, just the St Just side of Geevor - well worth visiting. Connie is right - you'll never see it all in one visit. We've been visiting that patch at least once a year for the last forty years or so and are constantly finding things! cheers Catherine -----Original Message----- From: Connie Saunders <dccows@comcast.net> To: cornish <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:03 Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Help please with planning my trip! If the bluebells are in bloom while you are in Cornwall be sure to go to Lamorna valley. It looks like a carpet of blue under the trees. It is a sight to behold and one you will never forget. I also recommend the stones Lanyon quoit, Men-an-tol and Chun castle west of Penzance. If your family were miners you may want to visit the mining site of Geevor Mine and take their tour. You learn about the miner's life and how the Mine worked and got through a mine tunnel. It is located along the coast by St Just. Just a few of the places I enjoyed visiting. The walk from Sennon Cove to Lands End is wonderful and easy and you get the feeling of the area with out the commercial parts. There is no way you can see every thing in one visit I have been there 17 times and still have placess I want to see. Connie in Utah Hello, one and all! Your comments about taking the train from London to Penzance has been wonderfully helpful, as I have been going through fits trying to plan my trip coming up in April. As a result, I will fly from Houston to London and go by train to Penzance. But I will have to get from Heathrow to the Paddington Station. Is it easy to use the Express service? I don't know how long to plan between arrival of the plane and departure of the train. Or should I get a cab to take me to the train? Also, does anyone have an opinion about United, British Airways or Iberia? They all arrive about 7:00 am and the train leaves at 10:00 am. Is that enough time to transfer? By the way, the fare is $75 going to Penzance, but coming home 3 weeks later from Truro, it is $331.00 Why in the world such a tremendous difference? Yikes. Now, when I am in Penzance, I want to see all the important places in the area. I figure on being there from the afternoon of the 9th til the 14th, when I will go on the train to Truro. What should I not miss between Penzance and Land's End, etc. I will be working on my LADNER line: ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah, now THAT term, I understand.............. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" <alan@dcsa.com.au> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Chav > White trash is a good starting point. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan > > From the Urban Dictionary: > "The majority of the species are hideously repugnant and unintelligent, > and yet they manage to breed in ever-increasing numbers and populate an > area known as the outer west. It is quite common to find five or six > offspring in each family group, often with a different father for each > new baby." > > See also: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav > > > On 01/31/2013 12:54 PM, Jan Davis wrote: >> OK, so what's a "bogan"? Anybody know an American translation??? >> Jan in San Diego >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <sahpjh@people.net.au> >> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:04 PM >> Subject: [CORNISH] Chav >> >> >>> >>> Norma >>> >>> The Australian equivalent of a 'chav' is a 'bogan'. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> Subscribe to digest by sending an email to >>> CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, >>> MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to >>> CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------- >> Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, >> MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to >> CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm with Jan.... :) Lainie California On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Jan Davis <jandavis3@cox.net> wrote: > OK, so what's a "bogan"? Anybody know an American translation??? > Jan in San Diego > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <sahpjh@people.net.au> > To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:04 PM > Subject: [CORNISH] Chav > > > > > > > > Norma > > > > The Australian equivalent of a 'chav' is a 'bogan'. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Stephen > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to > CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.comwith the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

OK, so what's a "bogan"? Anybody know an American translation??? Jan in San Diego ----- Original Message ----- From: <sahpjh@people.net.au> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:04 PM Subject: [CORNISH] Chav > > > Norma > > The Australian equivalent of a 'chav' is a 'bogan'. > > Hope that helps. > > Stephen > > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As is true with anywhere I've been in the world, there will be both the good and the bad.  But I must say from my own personal experience, the Cornish people are warm, welcoming and generous.  Kernow bys vykken! Kitty in Cali --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Brian Millett <bmillett@u030.aone.net.au> wrote: From: Brian Millett <bmillett@u030.aone.net.au> Subject: Re: [CORNISH] travel To: "'Dot Hosking Huntley'" <Dot@hoareserves.com>, cornish@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 3:03 PM We visited it in 1989 and the same people must still be there. They couldn't have cared less about us. A great pity and a missed opportunity!! Brian from Yass nr Canberra, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dot Hosking Huntley Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 4:55 AM To: cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH] travel Don't depend on a great welcome all the time. I visited the church at St Just twice on Sundays and was 90% ignored even tho' I smiled and greeted everyone who's eye I could catch, and the Vicar was very rude when I introduced myself to him. All depends on the people in the church. Dot Hosking Huntley -----Original Message----- From: tabletweaver@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:46 AM To: cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH] travel Indeed - one of the finest screens in the south west.  Most of the village churches in Penwith are worth visiting for one reason or another.  If they are by horrible chance locked, a good move is to look at service times and attend a service - you will get a great welcome and be able to see the church and ask questions. cheers Catherine -----Original Message----- From: hainesc <hainesc@msu.edu> To: cornish <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:54 Subject: [CORNISH] travel St Buryan has a wonderful wood piece that separates the altar of the church from the pews. My cousins go to that church and it is beautiful. Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842 ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text.  If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text.  If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text.  If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text.  If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Norma, T'was I who used the word, used by my cousin in her explanation of why to go 1st class, if possible.  The wikipedia definition follows: Chav, (pron.: /ˈtʃæv/ chav) is a stereotype and pejorative epithet commonly used, chiefly in the United Kingdom.[1] The stereotype was popularised in the British mass media to refer to working-class youth subculture in England.[2] UrbanDictionary.com defines chavs as follows:  In many places, Chavs are considered an underclass of people that good and decent people try to avoid when crossing the street or resent having to deal with in the first place.  Oll an gwella,Kitty, in balmy NorCal --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Norma Bakker <norma.bakker@gmail.com> wrote: From: Norma Bakker <norma.bakker@gmail.com> Subject: [CORNISH] Language problem To: CORNISH@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 1:06 PM Hi, I've been reading the emails re train travel in Cornwall and have one question, what is a "chav"? I think this was a term used by one of our American cousins and it is not a word I have ever heard before (I am an Australian). Could someone please elucidate? Norma ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text.  If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning Julia Thank you and to your team of Transcribers Reference to Thomas CARBIS Another of my Carbis people, in fact Thomas was not only a Pilot but was also the Coxson of the Penzance self-righting life-boat the 'Richard Lewis' from about 1866 - 1870. Should there be an interest, my family link identy is with 153carbis. Regards, John him in scarlet at chelsea This e-mail and attachments are intended for above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please e-mail john_carbis@hotmail.com immediaterly. Please note that this e-mail may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with the relevant legislation and may need to be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 or the Environmental Information Regulations 2004. Security Warning: It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that this e-mail and any attachments are virus free. The Authority will not accept liability for any damage caused by a virus. > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:56:28 -0500 > From: isabelj@talktalk.net > CC: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CORNISH] Weekly Newspaper 13th February, 1857. > > West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser. Friday 13th February, 1857. > > SALVAGE - On Tuesday last, at Penzance, the Mayor and Justices were > called on to adjudicate on a claim made by THOMAS CARBIS, and five > others, pilots of the port, on Capt. DOWVES, master of the Dutch > galliot "Hewen de main," on the 7th. The galliot was boarded half a > mile from the pier, while it was blowing hard from the S.S.W., with a > heavy sea. The captain refused assistance, but his vessel soon got > into danger and he requested the pilots to return. The vessel was > dragging her anchor and approaching broken water. When she was safe > the captain offered the pilots 10s. and afterwards GBP5. The point was > whether the Dutch vessel dragged her anchor. This was affirmed and > denied stoutly on each side, and Mr. PEARCE ably contended that the > pilotage was mere ordinary labour and should be rewarded as such. The > claim was for GBP50. The bench awarded GBP15 and costs. Mr. R. > MILLETT for the pilots. >

And I should have added, don't forget this amazing site for West Penwith (the area of Cornwall we are talking of here), run by Rick and Mary Parsons. You can look up an amazing wealth of resources for each of the parishs: http://west-penwith.org.uk/ Very best, John in Launceston, Cornwall. This message and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the recipient please email the sender and delete this message and any attachments from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message and attachments, or disclose the contents to any other person. Although we have taken steps to ensure that this message and any attachments are virus free, We can take no responsibility if a virus is actually present. We advise you to carry out your own virus check. > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > From: tabletweaver@aol.com > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:48:05 -0500 > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Help please with planning my trip! > > One small point - it may be worth contacting the vicar of Sancreed (he > is also the vicar of St Just) as the last few times I have tried to > visit the church I have found it locked. there is also an attractive > holy well in Sancreed - worth a visit. St Buryan church is undergoing > considerable repair at the moment but is still well worth visiting and > is usually open as is St Levan. Breage is one of the best churches > around with fantastic medieval paintings - and there is almost always > somebody around who is friendly and a mine of local information! > > Have fun > > Catherine > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Coles <dazzleme@live.co.uk> > To: Cornish List <cornish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:35 > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Help please with planning my trip! > > > > Hi Meli, > > Your trip sounds wonderful, and you'll really enjoy the (long) train > journey to > Penzance, especially from Exeter onwards. Early April is one of the > most > wonderful times of the year to see Cornwall, and along the coast you > should > still find some daffodils blooming, as well as all the spring flowers > and fresh > green grass in the fields. Gorgeous! > > Since I live here, I never stay in B&B, but I think you are wise to > stay in > Penzance itself, because you'll have a good choice of restuarants > within walking > distance for lunch or evening meal. A couple of nice looking B&Bs are: > www.thestanleypenzance.co.uk (this one is near the harbour, and a short > walk up > into the town centre, my be difficult for parking here). > www.glencreehouse.co.uk (this is a slightly longer walk to the town > centre, but > is close to the promenade, and it is being freshly refurbished so > should be good > for an April stay). > www.estorilhotel.com (in Morrab Road, reasonable walk to town, and very > close to > the beautiful Morrab Gardens and Penlee Park). > But there are lots of others, although it may be difficult to book > because your > visit is soon after Easter, when Cornwall gets really busy with > tourists if the > weather is nice. > > Before you start, buy a good map, the best is the Ordnance Survey > 'Explorer' map > > (coloured orange) for Land's End. This is at 2.5 inches to the mile, so > it will have everything you need, is incredibly detailed, and shows all > the farms, footpaths that your ancestors would have used, ancient > historical remains, churches, etc. You could buy this on the internet > before you > leave home, so you can plan your days. Bear in mind comments below, and > that > journey times are endless although distances are short!!! > > Places to visit connected with family history: > Well, I think that this is the most unspoilt and magical part of > Cornwall, and > in many ways very little in the countryside will have changed since the > late > 1700's / early 1800's. Most of the churches had some makeovers inside > during the > middle of the 1800's but they will be unspoilt. Most of the area your > folks came > from is farmland up on the sort of central plateau, surrounded within > just a > mile or so by dramatic cliffs, and masses of ancient prehistoric hut > circles, > stone circles, bronze age burials, ancient celtic stone crosses, Holy > wells. You > will love it, but please be aware that almost all the roads here are > barely more > than lanes, with granite walls each side. They are really narrow, so > practice > using reverse because there is rarely room to pass an oncoming car!!! > > St Levan is still as isolated as it ever was (almost at Land's End... > although > I must point out that Land's End itself is a very commercialised > tourist > attraction). The church still looks as it would several hundred years > ago. > Sancreed is very pretty, set deep among leafy lanes, again, the church > will > satisfy every desire! St Buryan is a big, very open village with a wide > central > street dominated by the church, and lots of pretty cottages. > > Breage is the other side of Penzance, going towards Helston. A > delightful > village, set around a sort of loop off the main road, with the church > in the > middle. There is a brilliant garden centre at the edge of the village > that > specialises in sub tropical plants (palm trees etc) and has a really > nice little > cafe where you can get a lunch. I'd strongly recommend carrying on to > Helston > itself, because it is a really lovely, and incredibly 'Cornish' town, > with water > running alongside the streets, and impressive granite buildings. > > Places to visit: > If you stay in Penzance, you can have a good stroll round Penlee > Gardens, then > go to the Penlee House Gallery (at the top of the gardens). They will > have an > exhibition called 'Summer in February' (in April)! based around the > work and > lives of the group of artists who settled in the Lamorna Valley from > around > 1900ish, and then upstairs will be an exhibition of work of the Newlyn > School of > Artists, who painted incredibly evocative scenes (often very large) of > the > fishing people and scenery at the end of the 1800's - still living a > life little > changed from when your folks left Cornwall. I'd say this is a 'must > see'. > > The fishing harbour at Newlyn is fascinating - this is about a mile > from > Penzance - and you can then drive another few miles to the tourist > attraction > (but very unspoilt) of Mousehole, with it's cottages surrounding the > harbour. > > On the way to St Levan and Sancreed, drop into Penberth Cove. This is > one of the > few places that has been totally unspoilt (no cars allowed at the cove, > fishing > boats pulled up on the shore, no ice cream stalls or gift shops). Tiny, > really > tiny, little cove and just gorgeous. > > If you are brave enough, from the Land's End / St Just area, drive back > to St > Ives along the winding road that follows the North Coast. It isn't very > far, but > allow an hour for the drive because this road really does wind around, > but add a > lot more time for getting out of the car and just going 'Ooooh, Aaaah' > at the > scenery. Along this road is the Wayside Museum, at Zennor, which is a > fascinating glimpse into much of the lifestyle of your ancestors... it > is not a > conventional museum in a big grand building, but i won't spoil it for > you! > Another 'must see' for background on the life of your folks. Lunch in > The > Tinners Arms in Zennor, enjoy the Mermaid at Zennor Church, and the > walk to the > sea from Zennor is lovely and fairly level all the way. (You can also > get to > Zennor by going straight across Cornwall from Penzance, and missing out > the most > difficult bits of the north coast route). > > St Ives is a delight, but busy and bustling. If you go, things to see > are the > harbour, Fore Street, Tate Gallery, Barbara Hepworth house, lots of > artists and > galleries. On the way back to Penzance, follow the old road via > Halsetown and > Cripplesease, and if you are feeling incredibly fit and healthy, try > and find > Trencrom Hill, and scramble to the top... you can see Mount's Bay to > the south > of you, with St Michael's Mount in the middle of it, and St Ives Bay to > the > north of you, whilst if you look eastwards you can see the Carn Brea > and the > mining ladscape around Redruth / Camborne. Magic, but very hard to > find, and > very hard work climbing to the top!!! > > If you fancy some technology history, Porthcurno Telegraph Museum (near > St > Levan) is worth a visit, and it is intriguing to think that many of the > undersea > fibre optic cables - which may be carrying my internet message to you - > come > ashore here, in this remote corner of Cornwall. > > OK, hope that helps (I got a bit carried away there, so I really must > go and do > some work now)! > > Very best, John in Launceston, Cornwall. > > > > > > This > message and any attachments are confidential and may be legally > privileged or > otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the recipient > please > email the sender and delete this message and any attachments from your > system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this > message and attachments, or disclose the contents to any other person. > Although we have taken steps to ensure that this > message and any attachments are virus free, We can take no > responsibility > if a virus is actually present. We advise you to carry out your own > virus check. > > > From: melibob4@texasbb.com > > To: CORNISH@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:01:23 -0600 > > Subject: [CORNISH] Help please with planning my trip! > > > > Hello, one and all! > > > > Your comments about taking the train from London to Penzance has been > wonderfully helpful, as I have been going through fits trying to plan > my trip > coming up in April. As a result, I will fly from Houston to London and > go by > train to Penzance. But I will have to get from Heathrow to the > Paddington > Station. Is it easy to use the Express service? I don’t know how long > to plan > between arrival of the plane and departure of the train. Or should I > get a cab > to take me to the train? Also, does anyone have an opinion about > United, > British Airways or Iberia? They all arrive about 7:00 am and the train > leaves > at 10:00 am. Is that enough time to transfer? By the way, the fare is > $75 > going to Penzance, but coming home 3 weeks later from Truro, it is > $331.00 Why > in the world such a tremendous difference? Yikes. > > > > Now, when I am in Penzance, I want to see all the important places in > the > area. I figure on being there from the afternoon of the 9th til the > 14th, when > I will go on the train to Truro. What should I not miss between > Penzance and > Land’s End, etc. I will be working on my LADNER line: > > > > Perhaps John Francis Ladner, b. Sancreed 1703 who married Alice > Tonkin in St. > Breage in 1732 were the parents of my Edward. Lots of family trees on > Ancestry.com show them as parents of a bunch of kids, my Edward among > them. But > his parents might have been Thomas Ladner and Prudence Harvey, also of > Sancreed, > so I don’t know about them. > > > > Edward Ladner 8 Mar 1752, Sancreed m. Jane Roberts b. 1745 ? > Cornwall on > 28 Oct 1780 in St. Levan. I think they had James, Prudence, Edward and > James, > all in St. Levan. Edward’s will: He died between 08 Apr and 11 > May... He died > in St. Levan, proved in St. Buryan. > > Will of Edward Ladner proved 11th. May 1815 at Deanery of St. Buryan > held by > Cornwall Record Office transcribed by Corinne Thompson. > > > > His son and executor Edward was mine as below: > > > > West Penwith Resources - Home St. Levan Baptisms (1694-1812) > > LADNER Edward 27 Mar 1787 son of Edward and Jane Was he > really 3 > years old, or is there an error in his birth date or baptism date? > From > somewhere, I have a birthdate of 27 Mar 1784 in St. Levan. > > > > This Edward (I call him III) married Sarah Ellis on 19 Jun 1818 in > St. Levan. > Sarah's birthdate of 14 Mar 1792 is followed by her baptism date of 10 > Apr 1792 > in St. Levan, daughter of Thomas Ellis and Phyllis Tregear. > > > > So, my question is, Will there be sites to visit or pictures to take > of > things in St. Levan that are extant from the late 1700s and early > 1800s? Like > the church or cemetery or etc? And I wonder the same about Sancreed > and St. > Breage. > > > > Thanks for any suggestions. I can rent a car in Penzance. Is there > a nice > hotel there or a B & B that someone recommends? > > > > Meli in Texas > > > > ------------------------------- > > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to > CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with > the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > MIME > digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to > CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with > the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. 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If the bluebells are in bloom while you are in Cornwall be sure to go to Lamorna valley. It looks like a carpet of blue under the trees. It is a sight to behold and one you will never forget. I also recommend the stones Lanyon quoit, Men-an-tol and Chun castle west of Penzance. If your family were miners you may want to visit the mining site of Geevor Mine and take their tour. You learn about the miner's life and how the Mine worked and got through a mine tunnel. It is located along the coast by St Just. Just a few of the places I enjoyed visiting. The walk from Sennon Cove to Lands End is wonderful and easy and you get the feeling of the area with out the commercial parts. There is no way you can see every thing in one visit I have been there 17 times and still have placess I want to see. Connie in Utah Hello, one and all! Your comments about taking the train from London to Penzance has been wonderfully helpful, as I have been going through fits trying to plan my trip coming up in April. As a result, I will fly from Houston to London and go by train to Penzance. But I will have to get from Heathrow to the Paddington Station. Is it easy to use the Express service? I don't know how long to plan between arrival of the plane and departure of the train. Or should I get a cab to take me to the train? Also, does anyone have an opinion about United, British Airways or Iberia? They all arrive about 7:00 am and the train leaves at 10:00 am. Is that enough time to transfer? By the way, the fare is $75 going to Penzance, but coming home 3 weeks later from Truro, it is $331.00 Why in the world such a tremendous difference? Yikes. Now, when I am in Penzance, I want to see all the important places in the area. I figure on being there from the afternoon of the 9th til the 14th, when I will go on the train to Truro. What should I not miss between Penzance and Land's End, etc. I will be working on my LADNER line:

Indeed - one of the finest screens in the south west. Most of the village churches in Penwith are worth visiting for one reason or another. If they are by horrible chance locked, a good move is to look at service times and attend a service - you will get a great welcome and be able to see the church and ask questions. cheers Catherine -----Original Message----- From: hainesc <hainesc@msu.edu> To: cornish <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:54 Subject: [CORNISH] travel St Buryan has a wonderful wood piece that separates the altar of the church from the pews. My cousins go to that church and it is beautiful. Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842 ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you are going to go to the CRO you need to make an appointment! AT least that was the way it was when I went there. IN ADVANCE! They only take so many people on a day. They are different days than the CFHS. I alternated back and forth. When I went to the CRO I had a list of all the certificate info that I wanted. I had several pages and I spent the entire day there, looking one up, copying it and looking one up and copying it. OR taking photos of the ones in the original parish records. What a treat that was! I was SO glad to be able to confirm my PERRY line.  AT CFHS I also spent an entire day. I got up 2x from the computer in the whole day. Talk about not being able to walk.. There is MUCH information that can be confirmed if you do it right. Although our OPC's have gotten alot more on line since I last went but it still was fun and I felt like I had done a good job when I got home. Good luck and safe travel. > Hello Meli, > > Others have given you good advice on the rail service to Cornwall and > I'll only emphasize that if you are 60+ you should purchase a "Senior > Railcard." It will save you a third of the cost of a ticket. I've > taken the train at least once per year for decades and although the > cost has gone up over that time, once I had the railcard, I ended up > paying less since I turned 60. The card also gives you half off > National coach services (intercity buses). If you are under 60, you > should look into a travel card, which can be purchased for various > lengths of time - 1 week, 2 weeks, etc. and will also save you money. > When checking the fares from Paddington to Cornwall, look at the cost > of a return ticket as opposed to two singles. Sometimes, the cost of > each single is less that the total for a return. > > As for making any progress on your family history, although you may > find a house or a farm or a parish church connected with your family, > and perhaps even stones in a churchyard, you won't get much done > going to the places where your ancestors lived, except to perhaps > contemplate their lives in those locations. To maximize the > possibilities of success, you need to visit the places where most of > the records are located. These are the Cornwall Record Office (CRO, > Truro), the library of the Cornwall Family History Society (Truro), > the Cornish Studies Library (Redruth - especially for microfilmed > newspapers - obituaries, etc.), and the Courtney Library in the Royal > Institution of Cornwall (Truro). If you are not familiar with these > repositories, just google each in turn and you will find a great deal > of information about them and what each has to offer. You will also > find, as you visit each, excellent staff who can help you with your > research. Make sure that >  you bring information on the specific persons and problems you wish > to research, either in paper form or on a smart device, preferably > both (batteries can run low). From the information you gave in your > post, I think you would want to begin at the CRO as they have not > only the parish registers, but a huge amount of original documents > not available online - wills, property deeds, tithe maps, vestry > minutes, manorial records, among others. Again, I cannot emphasize > enough that to maximize your chances of success, you need to arrive > prepared, doing as much as possible prior to your trip to familiarize > yourself with what is available. A list of sources you wish to look > at, in order of priority, would be a good way to organize and plan > your research. > > Good luck with the trip and your family history, > > Doug Nicol > >   > -- > Norman D. Nicol, Ph.D. > Professional Genealogist/Family Historian > Specializing in NE Pennsylvania, England, esp. Cornwall, and Scotland > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to > CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject > line and body text.  If you want, MIME digests, email > CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >   Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842

Just to add to this be sure to make an appointment at the libraries you plan to visit or you may be turned away. There is limited seating at most. Connie As for making any progress on your family history, although you may find a house or a farm or a parish church connected with your family, and perhaps even stones in a churchyard, you won't get much done going to the places where your ancestors lived, except to perhaps contemplate their lives in those locations. To maximize the possibilities of success, you need to visit the places where most of the records are located. These are the Cornwall Record Office (CRO, Truro), the library of the Cornwall Family History Society (Truro), the Cornish Studies Library (Redruth - especially for microfilmed newspapers - obituaries, etc.), and the Courtney Library in the Royal Institution of Cornwall (Truro). If you are not familiar with these repositories, just google each in turn and you will find a great deal of information about them and what each has to offer. You will also find, as you visit each, excellent staff who can help you with your research. Make sure that you bring information on the specific persons and problems you wish to research, either in paper form or on a smart device, preferably both (batteries can run low). From the information you gave in your post, I think you would want to begin at the CRO as they have not only the parish registers, but a huge amount of original documents not available online - wills, property deeds, tithe maps, vestry minutes, manorial records, among others. Again, I cannot emphasize enough that to maximize your chances of success, you need to arrive prepared, doing as much as possible prior to your trip to familiarize yourself with what is available. A list of sources you wish to look at, in order of priority, would be a good way to organize and plan your research. Good luck with the trip and your family history, Doug Nicol   -- Norman D. Nicol, Ph.D. Professional Genealogist/Family Historian Specializing in NE Pennsylvania, England, esp. Cornwall, and Scotland ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

St Buryan has a wonderful wood piece that separates the altar of the church from the pews. My cousins go to that church and it is beautiful. Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842

Hi Meli, Your trip sounds wonderful, and you'll really enjoy the (long) train journey to Penzance, especially from Exeter onwards. Early April is one of the most wonderful times of the year to see Cornwall, and along the coast you should still find some daffodils blooming, as well as all the spring flowers and fresh green grass in the fields. Gorgeous! Since I live here, I never stay in B&B, but I think you are wise to stay in Penzance itself, because you'll have a good choice of restuarants within walking distance for lunch or evening meal. A couple of nice looking B&Bs are: www.thestanleypenzance.co.uk (this one is near the harbour, and a short walk up into the town centre, my be difficult for parking here). www.glencreehouse.co.uk (this is a slightly longer walk to the town centre, but is close to the promenade, and it is being freshly refurbished so should be good for an April stay). www.estorilhotel.com (in Morrab Road, reasonable walk to town, and very close to the beautiful Morrab Gardens and Penlee Park). But there are lots of others, although it may be difficult to book because your visit is soon after Easter, when Cornwall gets really busy with tourists if the weather is nice. Before you start, buy a good map, the best is the Ordnance Survey 'Explorer' map (coloured orange) for Land's End. This is at 2.5 inches to the mile, so it will have everything you need, is incredibly detailed, and shows all the farms, footpaths that your ancestors would have used, ancient historical remains, churches, etc. You could buy this on the internet before you leave home, so you can plan your days. Bear in mind comments below, and that journey times are endless although distances are short!!! Places to visit connected with family history: Well, I think that this is the most unspoilt and magical part of Cornwall, and in many ways very little in the countryside will have changed since the late 1700's / early 1800's. Most of the churches had some makeovers inside during the middle of the 1800's but they will be unspoilt. Most of the area your folks came from is farmland up on the sort of central plateau, surrounded within just a mile or so by dramatic cliffs, and masses of ancient prehistoric hut circles, stone circles, bronze age burials, ancient celtic stone crosses, Holy wells. You will love it, but please be aware that almost all the roads here are barely more than lanes, with granite walls each side. They are really narrow, so practice using reverse because there is rarely room to pass an oncoming car!!! St Levan is still as isolated as it ever was (almost at Land's End... although I must point out that Land's End itself is a very commercialised tourist attraction). The church still looks as it would several hundred years ago. Sancreed is very pretty, set deep among leafy lanes, again, the church will satisfy every desire! St Buryan is a big, very open village with a wide central street dominated by the church, and lots of pretty cottages. Breage is the other side of Penzance, going towards Helston. A delightful village, set around a sort of loop off the main road, with the church in the middle. There is a brilliant garden centre at the edge of the village that specialises in sub tropical plants (palm trees etc) and has a really nice little cafe where you can get a lunch. I'd strongly recommend carrying on to Helston itself, because it is a really lovely, and incredibly 'Cornish' town, with water running alongside the streets, and impressive granite buildings. Places to visit: If you stay in Penzance, you can have a good stroll round Penlee Gardens, then go to the Penlee House Gallery (at the top of the gardens). They will have an exhibition called 'Summer in February' (in April)! based around the work and lives of the group of artists who settled in the Lamorna Valley from around 1900ish, and then upstairs will be an exhibition of work of the Newlyn School of Artists, who painted incredibly evocative scenes (often very large) of the fishing people and scenery at the end of the 1800's - still living a life little changed from when your folks left Cornwall. I'd say this is a 'must see'. The fishing harbour at Newlyn is fascinating - this is about a mile from Penzance - and you can then drive another few miles to the tourist attraction (but very unspoilt) of Mousehole, with it's cottages surrounding the harbour. On the way to St Levan and Sancreed, drop into Penberth Cove. This is one of the few places that has been totally unspoilt (no cars allowed at the cove, fishing boats pulled up on the shore, no ice cream stalls or gift shops). Tiny, really tiny, little cove and just gorgeous. If you are brave enough, from the Land's End / St Just area, drive back to St Ives along the winding road that follows the North Coast. It isn't very far, but allow an hour for the drive because this road really does wind around, but add a lot more time for getting out of the car and just going 'Ooooh, Aaaah' at the scenery. Along this road is the Wayside Museum, at Zennor, which is a fascinating glimpse into much of the lifestyle of your ancestors... it is not a conventional museum in a big grand building, but i won't spoil it for you! Another 'must see' for background on the life of your folks. Lunch in The Tinners Arms in Zennor, enjoy the Mermaid at Zennor Church, and the walk to the sea from Zennor is lovely and fairly level all the way. (You can also get to Zennor by going straight across Cornwall from Penzance, and missing out the most difficult bits of the north coast route). St Ives is a delight, but busy and bustling. If you go, things to see are the harbour, Fore Street, Tate Gallery, Barbara Hepworth house, lots of artists and galleries. On the way back to Penzance, follow the old road via Halsetown and Cripplesease, and if you are feeling incredibly fit and healthy, try and find Trencrom Hill, and scramble to the top... you can see Mount's Bay to the south of you, with St Michael's Mount in the middle of it, and St Ives Bay to the north of you, whilst if you look eastwards you can see the Carn Brea and the mining ladscape around Redruth / Camborne. Magic, but very hard to find, and very hard work climbing to the top!!! If you fancy some technology history, Porthcurno Telegraph Museum (near St Levan) is worth a visit, and it is intriguing to think that many of the undersea fibre optic cables - which may be carrying my internet message to you - come ashore here, in this remote corner of Cornwall. OK, hope that helps (I got a bit carried away there, so I really must go and do some work now)! Very best, John in Launceston, Cornwall. This message and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the recipient please email the sender and delete this message and any attachments from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message and attachments, or disclose the contents to any other person. Although we have taken steps to ensure that this message and any attachments are virus free, We can take no responsibility if a virus is actually present. We advise you to carry out your own virus check. > From: melibob4@texasbb.com > To: CORNISH@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:01:23 -0600 > Subject: [CORNISH] Help please with planning my trip! > > Hello, one and all! > > Your comments about taking the train from London to Penzance has been wonderfully helpful, as I have been going through fits trying to plan my trip coming up in April. As a result, I will fly from Houston to London and go by train to Penzance. But I will have to get from Heathrow to the Paddington Station. Is it easy to use the Express service? I don’t know how long to plan between arrival of the plane and departure of the train. Or should I get a cab to take me to the train? Also, does anyone have an opinion about United, British Airways or Iberia? They all arrive about 7:00 am and the train leaves at 10:00 am. Is that enough time to transfer? By the way, the fare is $75 going to Penzance, but coming home 3 weeks later from Truro, it is $331.00 Why in the world such a tremendous difference? Yikes. > > Now, when I am in Penzance, I want to see all the important places in the area. I figure on being there from the afternoon of the 9th til the 14th, when I will go on the train to Truro. What should I not miss between Penzance and Land’s End, etc. I will be working on my LADNER line: > > Perhaps John Francis Ladner, b. Sancreed 1703 who married Alice Tonkin in St. Breage in 1732 were the parents of my Edward. Lots of family trees on Ancestry.com show them as parents of a bunch of kids, my Edward among them. But his parents might have been Thomas Ladner and Prudence Harvey, also of Sancreed, so I don’t know about them. > > Edward Ladner 8 Mar 1752, Sancreed m. Jane Roberts b. 1745 ? Cornwall on 28 Oct 1780 in St. Levan. I think they had James, Prudence, Edward and James, all in St. Levan. Edward’s will: He died between 08 Apr and 11 May... He died in St. Levan, proved in St. Buryan. > Will of Edward Ladner proved 11th. May 1815 at Deanery of St. Buryan held by Cornwall Record Office transcribed by Corinne Thompson. > > His son and executor Edward was mine as below: > > West Penwith Resources - Home St. Levan Baptisms (1694-1812) > LADNER Edward 27 Mar 1787 son of Edward and Jane Was he really 3 years old, or is there an error in his birth date or baptism date? From somewhere, I have a birthdate of 27 Mar 1784 in St. Levan. > > This Edward (I call him III) married Sarah Ellis on 19 Jun 1818 in St. Levan. Sarah's birthdate of 14 Mar 1792 is followed by her baptism date of 10 Apr 1792 in St. Levan, daughter of Thomas Ellis and Phyllis Tregear. > > So, my question is, Will there be sites to visit or pictures to take of things in St. Levan that are extant from the late 1700s and early 1800s? Like the church or cemetery or etc? And I wonder the same about Sancreed and St. Breage. > > Thanks for any suggestions. I can rent a car in Penzance. Is there a nice hotel there or a B & B that someone recommends? > > Meli in Texas > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. 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Don't depend on a great welcome all the time. I visited the church at St Just twice on Sundays and was 90% ignored even tho' I smiled and greeted everyone who's eye I could catch, and the Vicar was very rude when I introduced myself to him. All depends on the people in the church. Dot Hosking Huntley -----Original Message----- From: tabletweaver@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:46 AM To: cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH] travel Indeed - one of the finest screens in the south west. Most of the village churches in Penwith are worth visiting for one reason or another. If they are by horrible chance locked, a good move is to look at service times and attend a service - you will get a great welcome and be able to see the church and ask questions. cheers Catherine -----Original Message----- From: hainesc <hainesc@msu.edu> To: cornish <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:54 Subject: [CORNISH] travel St Buryan has a wonderful wood piece that separates the altar of the church from the pews. My cousins go to that church and it is beautiful. Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842 ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message