Perversity is a good thing. The concept of Pigmoor attracts me too ! Perhaps we could do rig-a-ring-a-roses around some ancient stones under a full moon and dispense with having bother with dressing up :-) Or given it is a virtual party we could all squeeze into a mouse-hole or even Mousehole. None the less I shall cast my vote for Pigmoor (always did like "Babe" the movie!) On 14/12/2013 10:11, John wrote: > Lovely though a lighthouse is, it was a lonely place for the poor old lighthouse keeper, and although a party might cheer him up, it could be a bit cramped for space, let alone very limited for Santa and all the rest of you to land (although the flashing light will guide you in nicely)! > > There's been much discussion lately about the beautifully named Pigmoor, variously described as being in Ludgvan or Nancledra if I recall rightly? > > Must be my perverse sense of humour but I love the idea of a party at Pigmoor, so that would be my suggestion (just for the delightfully prosaic nature of the name). Oink Oink! > > But the idea of an ever-expanding lighthouse is equally wonderful... Godrevy is lashed by the waves on it's rocky little island, but the surfing is good off the nearby beaches, and the arty folk can drop in on the Tate Gallery at St Ives (although I doubt you'll have time with dancing through all those rooms and up and down the stairs). > > John at the other end of Cornwall (where we have more cows and sheep than pigs) and although I've done 'virtual tours' to all sorts of odd places in Cornwall, I'm just desperate to make a visit to a place with such an evocative name as 'Pigmoor'!!!!! > > > > > This > message and any attachments are confidential and may be legally > privileged or > otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the recipient > please > email the sender and delete this message and any attachments from your > system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this > message and attachments, or disclose the contents to any other person. > Although we have taken steps to ensure that this > message and any attachments are virus free, We can take no > responsibility > if a virus is actually present. We advise you to carry out your own > virus check. > >> From: hlmw1@telus.net >> To: Cornish@rootsweb.com >> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:04:20 -0700 >> Subject: [CORNISH] Party 2013 - where? >> >> The parrots are busily polishing their round-toed shiny black boots. I think >> I see a couple of small puddles - tears maybe. >> In looking at Charles Winpenny's Cornwall cam I see a lighthouse at Godrevy >> situated on a small island off-shore. It could be made bigger with lots of >> rooms on the way up and again coming down . We could make the light bigger >> too and light up as much of the world as needed. >> Just throwing out a suggestion. Hoping for other suggestions . >> I promise to be circumspect this year with no high kicking - a promise is a >> promise! >> Virtual Lady of something or other. >> >> ------------------------------- >> Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pigmoor sounds facinating....luv the name! Here was I going to suggest Macquarie Island  .... Pamela in Victoria, Australia Researching:  Holmes, Mowbray, Nicholls, Oseen [Hou Sin], Searle - & more...... Cornwall, Somerset,  Victorian Goldfields, Yorkshire - & probably elsewhere ! ----- Original Message ----- From: cornish@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:40:19 +1100 Subject:Re: [CORNISH] Party 2013 - where? Perversity is a good thing. The concept of Pigmoor attracts me too ! Perhaps we could do rig-a-ring-a-roses around some ancient stones under a full moon and dispense with having bother with dressing up :-) Or given it is a virtual party we could all squeeze into a mouse-hole or even Mousehole. None the less I shall cast my vote for Pigmoor (always did like "Babe" the movie!) On 14/12/2013 10:11, John wrote: > Lovely though a lighthouse is, it was a lonely place for the poor old lighthouse keeper, and although a party might cheer him up, it could be a bit cramped for space, let alone very limited for Santa and all the rest of you to land (although the flashing light will guide you in nicely)! > > There's been much discussion lately about the beautifully named Pigmoor, variously described as being in Ludgvan or Nancledra if I recall rightly? > > Must be my perverse sense of humour but I love the idea of a party at Pigmoor, so that would be my suggestion (just for the delightfully prosaic nature of the name). Oink Oink! > > But the idea of an ever-expanding lighthouse is equally wonderful... Godrevy is lashed by the waves on it's rocky little island, but the surfing is good off the nearby beaches, and the arty folk can drop in on the Tate Gallery at St Ives (although I doubt you'll have time with dancing through all those rooms and up and down the stairs) > > John at the other end of Cornwall (where we have more cows and sheep than pigs) and although I've done 'virtual tours' to all sorts of odd places in Cornwall, I'm just desperate to make a visit to a place with such an evocative name as 'Pigmoor'!!!!! > > > > > This > message and any attachments are confidential and may be legally > privileged or > otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the recipient > please > email the sender and delete this message and any attachments from your > system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this > message and attachments, or disclose the contents to any other person. > Although we have taken steps to ensure that this > message and any attachments are virus free, We can take no > responsibility > if a virus is actually present. We advise you to carry out your own > virus check. > >> From: hlmw1@telus.net >> To: Cornish@rootsweb.com >> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:04:20 -0700 >> Subject: [CORNISH] Party 2013 - where? >> >> The parrots are busily polishing their round-toed shiny black boots. I think >> I see a couple of small puddles - tears maybe. >> In looking at Charles Winpenny's Cornwall cam I see a lighthouse at Godrevy >> situated on a small island off-shore. It could be made bigger with lots of >> rooms on the way up and again coming down . We could make the light bigger >> too and light up as much of the world as needed. >> Just throwing out a suggestion. Hoping for other suggestions . >> I promise to be circumspect this year with no high kicking - a promise is a >> promise! >> Virtual Lady of something or other. >> >> ------------------------------- >> Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootswebcom with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Location? We here in the North American colonies are enjoying Doc Martin on the telly and Pot Wenn sounds like an ideal spot for a party. Good tucker at Bert Large's Restaurant, views of the coast and the harbor. Miss Glasson might consent to play tour guide. All the colorful locals trying so hard not to look like up country folk. Sounds like a smashin' spot to me. My vote for party spot this year is Port Wenn. Yes, I know it's a fictitious name for Port Isaac, but since we're havin' a VIRTUAL party, that should be no problem.

Mistress Agnes is happy with Pigmoor and is sure she can come come up with recipes involving porcine entrails. Janet in Darkest Devon -----Original Message----- From: pamelas.spactakells@iinet.net.au Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 4:54 AM To: cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Party 2013 - where? Pigmoor sounds facinating....luv the name! Here was I going to suggest Macquarie Island .... Pamela in Victoria, Australia Researching: Holmes, Mowbray, Nicholls, Oseen [Hou Sin], Searle - & more...... Cornwall, Somerset, Victorian Goldfields, Yorkshire - & probably elsewhere ! ----- Original Message ----- From: cornish@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:40:19 +1100 Subject:Re: [CORNISH] Party 2013 - where? Perversity is a good thing. The concept of Pigmoor attracts me too ! Perhaps we could do rig-a-ring-a-roses around some ancient stones under a full moon and dispense with having bother with dressing up :-) Or given it is a virtual party we could all squeeze into a mouse-hole or even Mousehole. None the less I shall cast my vote for Pigmoor (always did like "Babe" the movie!) On 14/12/2013 10:11, John wrote: > Lovely though a lighthouse is, it was a lonely place for the poor old lighthouse keeper, and although a party might cheer him up, it could be a bit cramped for space, let alone very limited for Santa and all the rest of you to land (although the flashing light will guide you in nicely)! > > There's been much discussion lately about the beautifully named Pigmoor, variously described as being in Ludgvan or Nancledra if I recall rightly? > > Must be my perverse sense of humour but I love the idea of a party at Pigmoor, so that would be my suggestion (just for the delightfully prosaic nature of the name). Oink Oink! > > But the idea of an ever-expanding lighthouse is equally wonderful... Godrevy is lashed by the waves on it's rocky little island, but the surfing is good off the nearby beaches, and the arty folk can drop in on the Tate Gallery at St Ives (although I doubt you'll have time with dancing through all those rooms and up and down the stairs) > > John at the other end of Cornwall (where we have more cows and sheep than pigs) and although I've done 'virtual tours' to all sorts of odd places in Cornwall, I'm just desperate to make a visit to a place with such an evocative name as 'Pigmoor'!!!!! > > > > > This > message and any attachments are confidential and may be legally > privileged or > otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the recipient > please > email the sender and delete this message and any attachments from your > system. 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Lovely though a lighthouse is, it was a lonely place for the poor old lighthouse keeper, and although a party might cheer him up, it could be a bit cramped for space, let alone very limited for Santa and all the rest of you to land (although the flashing light will guide you in nicely)! There's been much discussion lately about the beautifully named Pigmoor, variously described as being in Ludgvan or Nancledra if I recall rightly? Must be my perverse sense of humour but I love the idea of a party at Pigmoor, so that would be my suggestion (just for the delightfully prosaic nature of the name). Oink Oink! But the idea of an ever-expanding lighthouse is equally wonderful... Godrevy is lashed by the waves on it's rocky little island, but the surfing is good off the nearby beaches, and the arty folk can drop in on the Tate Gallery at St Ives (although I doubt you'll have time with dancing through all those rooms and up and down the stairs). John at the other end of Cornwall (where we have more cows and sheep than pigs) and although I've done 'virtual tours' to all sorts of odd places in Cornwall, I'm just desperate to make a visit to a place with such an evocative name as 'Pigmoor'!!!!! This message and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the recipient please email the sender and delete this message and any attachments from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message and attachments, or disclose the contents to any other person. Although we have taken steps to ensure that this message and any attachments are virus free, We can take no responsibility if a virus is actually present. We advise you to carry out your own virus check. > From: hlmw1@telus.net > To: Cornish@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:04:20 -0700 > Subject: [CORNISH] Party 2013 - where? > > The parrots are busily polishing their round-toed shiny black boots. I think > I see a couple of small puddles - tears maybe. > In looking at Charles Winpenny's Cornwall cam I see a lighthouse at Godrevy > situated on a small island off-shore. It could be made bigger with lots of > rooms on the way up and again coming down . We could make the light bigger > too and light up as much of the world as needed. > Just throwing out a suggestion. Hoping for other suggestions . > I promise to be circumspect this year with no high kicking - a promise is a > promise! > Virtual Lady of something or other. > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julia and list Stoke Damerel: I've only just noticed that my earlier post referred to Stoke Demerel. My apologies. My 4GG Richard BUZZO is recorded there in the 1841 Census, so I should have looked a little closer at my typing! Hoax: Last night I counted over 40 British newspapers which covered the same story of the marriage and the subsequent events from the Royal Cornwall Gazette, to The London Times ("Marriage Of A Turk And A Christian", The Times (London, England), 28 Jan 1858, p3) as well as many other metropolitan and regional papers. What happenned to the wedded couple?: When the matter was reported, the Turkish ambassador summoned the groom and asked him if it were true that he had converted to Christianity; when Mahmoud said that he had become a Christian "in his heart". the ambassador ordered him to return to Turkey and told him that his Turkish Army pay had been stopped. The groom wrote to a "friend at Calstock" a letter which was subsequently published in several papers in which he said that he believed that if he returned to Turkey his life would be in danger and he had thus decided to keep his new faith, not return to Turkey but to live in England with his wife and get by without his Army pay thanks to his savings and the support of friends. I've traced them through the census and found a death and will for Lucy but that has taken me too far from Cornwall to really continue on this list with that. What happenned to the Minister? The Minister (St. Aubyn) who baptised Mahmoud and performed the marriage was subject to disciplinary proceedings in the ecclesiastical courts but I haven't found the end of this. This Mr. St Aubyn may have been the same St. Aubyn who was a friend of Byron and Shelley: "Prothero, based on a study of Alumni Oxonienses, speculates that St. Aubyn was William John St. Aubyn, who matriculated at Christ Church in 1814, became rector of Stoke Damerel in 1828, and died 30 July 1877" (quote from footnote 17, Richard B. Kline, 'Byron's Boat, the Morat Bones, and Mr. St. Aubyn: A New Autograph Letter' (1972-73) 21/22 "Keats-Shelley Journal" pp. 33-38.) Regards

The parrots are busily polishing their round-toed shiny black boots. I think I see a couple of small puddles - tears maybe. In looking at Charles Winpenny's Cornwall cam I see a lighthouse at Godrevy situated on a small island off-shore. It could be made bigger with lots of rooms on the way up and again coming down . We could make the light bigger too and light up as much of the world as needed. Just throwing out a suggestion. Hoping for other suggestions . I promise to be circumspect this year with no high kicking - a promise is a promise! Virtual Lady of something or other.

The West Briton (Friday, 25 Dec 1857) reported the following marriage at St. Ives: > ... Mr. Charles D. EUSTICE, to Miss Mary QUICK, of Rosewall. The bride's name was actually Mary Quick ROSEWALL, d/o George ROSEWALL & Mary QUICK, baptized 13 Jan 1832. Her family lived in St. Ives at Anjou Green at the 1851 Census and at Folly Farm at the 1861 Census. The groom was Charles Dale EUSTICE (b.ca. 1838 St. Ives). He was a fisherman when he married and a farmer at Hellesveor, St. Ives at the 1861 and 1871 Census. The identity of his parents is unknown. He may be the Charles DALE whose birth was registered at Penzance during 3Q1838. If so, the facts hint at the possibility that his was an illegitimate birth. No baptism record has been found, but families named DALE and EUSTICE or EUSTIS were present at St. Ives during the 19th century. The marriage was registered at Penzance during 4Q1857 with the couple identified as Charles Dale EUSTIS (sic) and Mary Quick ROSEWALL. The St. Ives marriage register also shows the groom's surname as EUSTIS and fails to identify his father. Bill Curnow Port Charlotte, FL, USA

On 11/12/2013, Andrew Rodger <rodgera@audioio.com> wrote: > No, it is not a hoax, but it is not the man's surname either. It is Sorry Andrew, you may be right about the origin of the term, but that is irrelevant. Are people with surnames like PRINCE or LORD or STEWART or KING or BISHOP to be told that these are not surnames but inherited titles? You may be right about what his name and title in Turkey were before his baptism and marriage. However, in English law his name in England was what he was known as in the community: given name Mahmoud, surname Effendi as evidenced by what was recorded in the Parish Register of his baptism, by the name recorded in the Parish Register of his marriage and the name published three times in the Banns. Regards

Bob, The record I've seen says she was born at Georgia Croft, but others have told me Pigmoor. The distance between the two is little more than 5 or 6 football fields, so we're dealing with a small distinction. If the lady said she was born at Pigmoor, I'd be inclined to take her at her word. What's certain is that she was baptized at Towednack, which underscores my point that Pigmoor people probably felt much more aligned with Towednack than Ludgvan. The place entered into the parish register probably had a lot to do with how well the clergyman knew the family or of how the family member responded when asked, "Where do you live?" If the response was, "Over past Georgia Croft," then it might have been Georgia Croft that got entered into the register rather than a follow up question getting asked to fine tune the location. Bill Curnow Ludgvan OPC Port Charlotte, FL, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <bobmarval@juno.com> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Pigmoor > Hi Bill, > > Thanks for the info. Yes after many questions I located Pigmoor some > time ago and a cousin of mine actually visited the remaining cottage. It > was two cottages joined together to make one. We know for sure it is the > right place as a stone marker is at the entrance with Pigmoor engraved. > I am just curious as to what sort of industry is connected as there are > ruins nearby with a clear running spring. I am assuming Clay but > certainly not sure. > > Question: I know Grandmother Jemima was from there but does your record > know she was born there. She was baptized Towednack 7 Oct 1868 a year > plus after birth 1 May 1867.----Thanks again---Bob Marhenke > > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:50:36 -0500 "Bill Curnow" <wjcurnow@kernow.com> > writes: >> Bob, >> >> Pigmoor is actually on the Ludgvan side of the Red River, although >> it is >> often referred to as being in Towednack. It is just about one >> kilometer >> from Nancledra, slightly south of due west. It is just a half >> kilometer >> from Georgia, which is definitely in Towednack. I get the sense >> that folks >> at Pigmoor felt more a part of Towednack than Ludgvan, and the >> Towednack >> parish church was certainly closer to them and probably more easily >> >> accessible. The OS Pathfinder 1364 map shows a shaft adjacent to >> Pigmoor, >> suggesting a history of mining in the immediate vicinity. >> >> I've gone through my data base and found 22 people from the 19th and >> early >> 20th century whose records include a reference to Pigmoor. Let me >> list >> them, because doing so will give you a sense of the families that >> came and >> went from that small dot on the map over the course of the years: >> >> BONETTO, Mary Jane (b. 1864) Born at Pigmoor >> BONETTO, William Thomas (b. 1866) Born at Pigmoor >> >> BURT, James (1873-1874) Of Pigmoor at baptism >> >> FEBY, James (1866-1904) Died at Pigmoor >> >> GILBERT, Sarah (1832-1910) At Pigmoor at 1891 Census >> >> MARTIN, Isaac (b. 1854) Born at Pigmoor >> MARTIN, James (b. 1855) Born at Pigmoor >> MARTIN, John (b. 1859) Born at Pigmoor >> MARTIN, Joseph (1870-1872) Born at Pigmoor >> >> MATTHEWS, John (b.ca. 1842) He & family at Pigmoor at >> 1881 >> Census >> >> MORRIS, Eva Ann (1865-1866) Born at Pigmoor >> MORRIS, Richard John (1863-1867) Died at Pigmoor >> MORRIS, Jeremiah (1806-1875) Died at Pigmoor >> MORRIS, Mary (1813-1880) Died at Pigmoor >> >> OATS, Nicholas Thomas (1864-1885) Died at Pigmoor >> >> OSBORN, Robert (b.1828) He & family at Pigmoor >> at 1861 >> Census >> >> PHILLIPS, Charles (1822-1879) He & family at Pigmoor at >> 1861 >> Census >> PHILLIPS, James (b.1856) Of Pigmoor at baptism >> PHILLIPS, Elizabeth Ann (b.1858) Born at Pigmoor >> >> TREWHELLA, Jemima (1867-1949) Born at Pigmoor >> >> TRUDGEN, Gwendoline (b. 1918) Born at Pigmoor >> >> WARREN, John (1817-1890) Died at Pigmoor >> >> >> As you've said, it was apparently always a tiny hamlet. But it had >> a life, >> families came and went, and I hope the above will add a bit to your >> >> understanding of Pigmoor. >> >> >> Bill Curnow >> Ludgvan OPC >> Port Charlotte, FL, USA >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <bobmarval@juno.com> >> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [CORNISH] West Briton, 25 December 1857 - BMDs >> >> >> > In todays entry I noticed this item below. This is the first >> mention of >> > Pigmoor that I have ever seen prior. My Grandmother Jemima >> Trewhella >> > always said she was from Pigmoor and I spent countless hours >> trying to >> > locate Pigmoor and when I finially did it now consists of one home >> and a >> > lane marker. It is my understanding the one home is two cottages >> put >> > together by adding between them and some remains of a possible >> mining >> > operation. 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Bob, Pigmoor is actually on the Ludgvan side of the Red River, although it is often referred to as being in Towednack. It is just about one kilometer from Nancledra, slightly south of due west. It is just a half kilometer from Georgia, which is definitely in Towednack. I get the sense that folks at Pigmoor felt more a part of Towednack than Ludgvan, and the Towednack parish church was certainly closer to them and probably more easily accessible. The OS Pathfinder 1364 map shows a shaft adjacent to Pigmoor, suggesting a history of mining in the immediate vicinity. I've gone through my data base and found 22 people from the 19th and early 20th century whose records include a reference to Pigmoor. Let me list them, because doing so will give you a sense of the families that came and went from that small dot on the map over the course of the years: BONETTO, Mary Jane (b. 1864) Born at Pigmoor BONETTO, William Thomas (b. 1866) Born at Pigmoor BURT, James (1873-1874) Of Pigmoor at baptism FEBY, James (1866-1904) Died at Pigmoor GILBERT, Sarah (1832-1910) At Pigmoor at 1891 Census MARTIN, Isaac (b. 1854) Born at Pigmoor MARTIN, James (b. 1855) Born at Pigmoor MARTIN, John (b. 1859) Born at Pigmoor MARTIN, Joseph (1870-1872) Born at Pigmoor MATTHEWS, John (b.ca. 1842) He & family at Pigmoor at 1881 Census MORRIS, Eva Ann (1865-1866) Born at Pigmoor MORRIS, Richard John (1863-1867) Died at Pigmoor MORRIS, Jeremiah (1806-1875) Died at Pigmoor MORRIS, Mary (1813-1880) Died at Pigmoor OATS, Nicholas Thomas (1864-1885) Died at Pigmoor OSBORN, Robert (b.1828) He & family at Pigmoor at 1861 Census PHILLIPS, Charles (1822-1879) He & family at Pigmoor at 1861 Census PHILLIPS, James (b.1856) Of Pigmoor at baptism PHILLIPS, Elizabeth Ann (b.1858) Born at Pigmoor TREWHELLA, Jemima (1867-1949) Born at Pigmoor TRUDGEN, Gwendoline (b. 1918) Born at Pigmoor WARREN, John (1817-1890) Died at Pigmoor As you've said, it was apparently always a tiny hamlet. But it had a life, families came and went, and I hope the above will add a bit to your understanding of Pigmoor. Bill Curnow Ludgvan OPC Port Charlotte, FL, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <bobmarval@juno.com> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH] West Briton, 25 December 1857 - BMDs > In todays entry I noticed this item below. This is the first mention of > Pigmoor that I have ever seen prior. My Grandmother Jemima Trewhella > always said she was from Pigmoor and I spent countless hours trying to > locate Pigmoor and when I finially did it now consists of one home and a > lane marker. It is my understanding the one home is two cottages put > together by adding between them and some remains of a possible mining > operation. Obviously it was just a Hamlet at one time. > > I would be interested in any Pigmoor information that anyone on the list > might like to share.---Bob > > At Nancledra, in the parish of Towednack, the wife of Mr. Robert ROACH, > of a son; also the wife of Mr. Thomas WARREN, Pig Moor, of a daughter. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do THIS before eating carbs &#40;every time&#41; > 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat > storage > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52a88a8d4ddc5a8d68d9st04duc > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill, Thanks for the info. Yes after many questions I located Pigmoor some time ago and a cousin of mine actually visited the remaining cottage. It was two cottages joined together to make one. We know for sure it is the right place as a stone marker is at the entrance with Pigmoor engraved. I am just curious as to what sort of industry is connected as there are ruins nearby with a clear running spring. I am assuming Clay but certainly not sure. Question: I know Grandmother Jemima was from there but does your record know she was born there. She was baptized Towednack 7 Oct 1868 a year plus after birth 1 May 1867.----Thanks again---Bob Marhenke On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:50:36 -0500 "Bill Curnow" <wjcurnow@kernow.com> writes: > Bob, > > Pigmoor is actually on the Ludgvan side of the Red River, although > it is > often referred to as being in Towednack. It is just about one > kilometer > from Nancledra, slightly south of due west. It is just a half > kilometer > from Georgia, which is definitely in Towednack. I get the sense > that folks > at Pigmoor felt more a part of Towednack than Ludgvan, and the > Towednack > parish church was certainly closer to them and probably more easily > > accessible. The OS Pathfinder 1364 map shows a shaft adjacent to > Pigmoor, > suggesting a history of mining in the immediate vicinity. > > I've gone through my data base and found 22 people from the 19th and > early > 20th century whose records include a reference to Pigmoor. Let me > list > them, because doing so will give you a sense of the families that > came and > went from that small dot on the map over the course of the years: > > BONETTO, Mary Jane (b. 1864) Born at Pigmoor > BONETTO, William Thomas (b. 1866) Born at Pigmoor > > BURT, James (1873-1874) Of Pigmoor at baptism > > FEBY, James (1866-1904) Died at Pigmoor > > GILBERT, Sarah (1832-1910) At Pigmoor at 1891 Census > > MARTIN, Isaac (b. 1854) Born at Pigmoor > MARTIN, James (b. 1855) Born at Pigmoor > MARTIN, John (b. 1859) Born at Pigmoor > MARTIN, Joseph (1870-1872) Born at Pigmoor > > MATTHEWS, John (b.ca. 1842) He & family at Pigmoor at > 1881 > Census > > MORRIS, Eva Ann (1865-1866) Born at Pigmoor > MORRIS, Richard John (1863-1867) Died at Pigmoor > MORRIS, Jeremiah (1806-1875) Died at Pigmoor > MORRIS, Mary (1813-1880) Died at Pigmoor > > OATS, Nicholas Thomas (1864-1885) Died at Pigmoor > > OSBORN, Robert (b.1828) He & family at Pigmoor > at 1861 > Census > > PHILLIPS, Charles (1822-1879) He & family at Pigmoor at > 1861 > Census > PHILLIPS, James (b.1856) Of Pigmoor at baptism > PHILLIPS, Elizabeth Ann (b.1858) Born at Pigmoor > > TREWHELLA, Jemima (1867-1949) Born at Pigmoor > > TRUDGEN, Gwendoline (b. 1918) Born at Pigmoor > > WARREN, John (1817-1890) Died at Pigmoor > > > As you've said, it was apparently always a tiny hamlet. But it had > a life, > families came and went, and I hope the above will add a bit to your > > understanding of Pigmoor. > > > Bill Curnow > Ludgvan OPC > Port Charlotte, FL, USA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bobmarval@juno.com> > To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] West Briton, 25 December 1857 - BMDs > > > > In todays entry I noticed this item below. This is the first > mention of > > Pigmoor that I have ever seen prior. My Grandmother Jemima > Trewhella > > always said she was from Pigmoor and I spent countless hours > trying to > > locate Pigmoor and when I finially did it now consists of one home > and a > > lane marker. It is my understanding the one home is two cottages > put > > together by adding between them and some remains of a possible > mining > > operation. Obviously it was just a Hamlet at one time. > > > > I would be interested in any Pigmoor information that anyone on > the list > > might like to share.---Bob > > > > At Nancledra, in the parish of Towednack, the wife of Mr. Robert > ROACH, > > of a son; also the wife of Mr. Thomas WARREN, Pig Moor, of a > daughter. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Do THIS before eating carbs &#40;every time&#41; > > 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease > fat > > storage > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52a88a8d4ddc5a8d68d9st04duc > > ------------------------------- > > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to > CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. 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The West Briton (Friday, 18 Dec 1857) reported the following death: "At St. Ives, on the 10th instant, Mrs. Cordelia TICKLER, aged 78 years..." The Royal Cornwall Gazette (Friday, 18 Dec 1857) found their own way to garble the facts: "At St. Ives., Mrs. Cordelia SUKLER, aged 72 years..." In reality the lady was Mrs. Cordelia SICKLER, and she was most likely 76 or 77 at her death. Cordelia SAMPSON, d/o Nicholas SAMPSON & Rachel HOSKIN, was baptized at St. Ives on 11 Feb 1781. She married John PEARCE at St. Ives in 1806. Following his death, she married Richard SICKLER (s/o John & Mary SICKLER, bapt. 05 Jul 1779 at St. Ives) during 1815 at St. Ives. She had three known children by her first marriage plus a daughter by her second. Cordelia was buried at St. Ives on 13 Dec 1857. Bill Curnow Port Charlotte, FL, USA

No, it is not a hoax, but it is not the man's surname either. It is an "honorific", roughly equivalent to "Sir" as used today in business correspondence. It is a Turkish word (and hence spread all over the Ottoman Empire), but its origin is Greek, coming ultimately from the same source as "authentic", believe it or not. The first name in references to this Turkish man is his given name (which, if he was a convert to Christianity and well-versed in English, he might thenceforth have called his Christian name), and since both he and his father are referred to as Effendi (albeit mis-spelt) it would appear to be an hereditary title, just as "Sir" for a viscount. On 10 Dec 2013, at 6:24 PM, A & B Currie wrote: > Well, as youngun's in the 1940 era we used "Efendi" to mean > something like > 'honoured friend'. Of course, we, as ignorant kids probably had it > completely wrong, but your idea of a prank is probably correct - as > usual, > honoured friend! > > Bern Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com

In todays entry I noticed this item below. This is the first mention of Pigmoor that I have ever seen prior. My Grandmother Jemima Trewhella always said she was from Pigmoor and I spent countless hours trying to locate Pigmoor and when I finially did it now consists of one home and a lane marker. It is my understanding the one home is two cottages put together by adding between them and some remains of a possible mining operation. Obviously it was just a Hamlet at one time. I would be interested in any Pigmoor information that anyone on the list might like to share.---Bob At Nancledra, in the parish of Towednack, the wife of Mr. Robert ROACH, of a son; also the wife of Mr. Thomas WARREN, Pig Moor, of a daughter. ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs &#40;every time&#41; 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52a88a8d4ddc5a8d68d9st04duc

The West Briton (Friday, 18 Dec 1857) included the following birth at St. Ives: "At St. Ives, the wife of Mr. John Bennetts AYE, of a daughter..." The birth was also reported by The Royal Cornwall Gazette (Friday, 18 Dec 1857): "At St. Ives, the wife of Mr. John BENNETT, of a daughter..." The child was Mary Major BENNETTS, d/o John BENNETTS & Mary Major HARRIS. She was baptized at Halsetown, St. Ives on 22 Dec 1857, and the baptism record helpfully indicates that the family was of Ayr, St. Ives. So "AYE" appearing in The West Briton was probably meant to have been "of Ayr". It was definitely not the child's surname. Bill Curnow Port Charlotte, FL, USA

West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser - 1857 transcribed by Philip Green 18th December 1857 . Births . At Falmouth, on the 1st instant, Mrs. A . LASHBROOK, of a daughter. . At Penzance, on Friday last, the wife of Mr, Richard WHITE, of twin sons; and on the same day, the wife of Mr. Mark ROWE, of a son. . At Lock, Ludgvan, on Tuesday last, the wife of Mr. Henry BANFIELD, of a son. . At St. Ives, the wife of Mr. John Bennetts AYE, of a daughter; the wife of Mr. QUICK, of a daughter; the wife of Mr. Richard GRENFELL, of a daughter; and the wife of Mr. Thomas ROSEWALL, of the schooner "Martha," of a daughter. . At Underhill Cottage, Kerton Wood, St. Erth, the residence of her mother, on Sunday last, Mrs. SINGLETON, of Acton Castle, in this county, of a son. . At West-end, Hayle, the wife of Mr. Thomas KEMP, of a son; and the wife of Mr. William TREGONNING, of a daughter. . At East-end, Hayle, the wife of Mr. William STEPHENS, of a daughter; and the wife of Mr. Henry MASTERS, of a son. . At Kerland, Gwinear, the wife of Mr. George TAYLOR, of a daughter. . At Tregortha, Gwinear, the wife of Mr. John HARVEY, of a son. . At Redruth, the wife of Mr. James WILLOUGHBY, of twin daughters; the wife of Mr. H. BODILLY, of a daughter; the wife of Mr. Martin MICHELL, of a son; and the wife of Mr. John NICHOLLS, of a son. . At Grampound, on Friday last, the wife of Mr. William ANDREW, of a daughter. . At Mevagissey, the wife of Capt. James JOHNS, of a daughter. . At St. Austell, on Tuesday last, the wife of Mr. George MENEAR, of a daughter. . At East Polmear, Tywardreath, on Wednesday last, the wife of Mr. John PENROSE, of a son. . At Roche, on Friday last, the wife of Mr. BENNETTO, of a son. . At Tremain, in the parish of Pelynt, on the 6th instant, the wife of Mr. John SLADE, of a son. . At Whitton Mill, in the parish of Pelynt, on the 6th instant, the wife of Mr. John LIBBY, of a daughter. . At Doody Cross, Menheniot, on the 3rd instant, the wife of Mr. Charles COOK, of a son. . At Treneath Cottage, St. Cleer, on the 8th instant, the wife of Mr. Henry BINNY, of a son. . At Honeycombe House, Calstock, on the 10th instant, the wife of E. WILLIAMS, Esq., of a son. . At Tregoodwell, near Camelford, on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. John STATT, of a daughter. . At Tavistock, on the 12th instant, the wife of Mr. Thomas CHAVE, of a daughter. . At Tavistock, on the 14th instant, the wife of Mr. John PRYER, of a son. . At Stoke, Devon, on Tuesday last, the wife of Albert SMITH, Esq., of a son. . At 69 Westbourne-terrance, Hyde-park, London, on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. John TREVAN, of a son. . At Kennington, London, on Sunday last, the wife of Mr. C. J. PROUT, late of Truro, of a son. . At Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales, on the 10th instant, the wife of Mr. Morgan JAMES, of a son. . At Hillside, near Perth, Scotland, on Friday last, the wife of Mr. William KERR, formerly of Truro, of a son. . Marriages . At St Keverne, on the 6th instant, Mr. John CARLYON to Mrs. Mary PENTECOST, of the White Hart Inn. . At Creed Church, on Saturday last, Mr. John HEARLE, of Probus, to Fanny, daughter of Mr John WILLIAMS, of Grampound; and on Saturday last, Mr. Henry TEAGUE to Miss MOCK, both of Hewas Water, near Grampound. . At Mevagissey, on the 9th instant, Mr. John BARRON to Miss Catherine BROKENSHAW. . At the Registrar's Office, St. Austell, on the 3rd instant, Mr. James SIMMONS to Cecelia Ann, only daughter of Mr. Nicholas CROCKER. . At Lanteglos Church, on Friday last, Mr. R. TUCKER of Lescrow, in the parish of Fowey, to Miss S. LEACH, of Polruan, in the parish of Lanteglos. . At St. Mary's Church, Devonport, on the 7th instant, Mr. Samuel HARVEY, steward to the Earl of Mount Edgcumbe, to Jane, third daughter of Mr. Thomas EVERY, Devonport. . At the Registrar's Office, Plymouth, Mr. KINGSLAND, of Tavistock, to Eliza, third daughter of the late Mr. James CHEEK, engineer, Plymouth. . At St. Mary's Church, Melcomb Regis, on the 8th instant, William Henry Purcell WESTON, Esq., eldest son of the late Robert WESTON, Esq., of the Belvidere, Weymouth, and Kilcorney, county Cork, Ireland, to Alda Gertrude, fifth daughter of Sir John Hasketh LETHBRIDGE, Bart., of Weymouth and Sandhill Park, Somersetshire. . At Singapore, India, on the 19th of October, Liet. T. MAGNAY, 38th Regiment M.N.T., to Loveday Caroline, eldest daughter of Colonel POOLEY, 38th Regiment M.N.T., and grand-daughter of the late Rev. Henry POOLEY, vicar of Newlyn, and rector of Lansallos, in this county. . Deaths . At Calenick-street, Truro, on Friday last, Mrs. JAMES, aged 76 years. . At Falmouth, on the 7th instant, Mr. Richard COTTON, aged 58 years; on the 10th instant, the wife of Mr. Martin BAILEY, aged 46 years; . At Helford, Manaccan, on the 5th instant, Mr. Richard WAKENHAM, late of H. M. S. "Imperieuse," aged 30 years. . At Penzance, on the 8th instant, the infant son of Mr. Joseph JAGO; on the 9th instant, aged 4 years, John Henry, son of Mr. Wm. ROWE; on Sunday last, Mary, daughter of Mr. Thomas ROWE, aged 3 years; and on Monday last, James Michell, son of Mr. William ROWE, aged 2 years. . At Sheffield, Paul, on the 9th instant, Catherine, wife of Mr. Richard REMFRY, aged 66 years. . At Lowerquarter, in the parish of Ludgvan, on Tuesday last, Thomas, son of Mr. W. H. ROACH, aged 2 years. . At Ludgvanlease, in the parish of Ludgvan, on Saturday last, Mr. Richard DUNN, aged 57 years. . At Porthmear, Zennor, on the 8th instant, Mr. William NEWTON, aged 72 years. . At St. Ives, on the 10th instant, Mrs. Cordelia TICKLER, aged 78 years; and on Saturday last, Mr. John HOSKING, aged 52 years. . At West-end, Hayle, the daughter of Mr. John MILLS, aged 8 years. . At Hayle, the infant daughter of Mr. John LOBB; and James, son of Captain Trenery. . At East-end, Hayle, Mr. T. BAWDEN, aged 32 years. . At Angarrack, the infant son of Mr. William MILES. . At Manor Downs, Gwinear, Mr. Ralph MICHELL, aged 72 years. . At Tregortha, Gwinear, the infant son of Mr. Matthew PERLEW. . At Camborne, on Tuesday last, Miss Mary Ann RAWLINGS, aged 58 years. . At Camborne, on the 10th instant, Solomon, son of Mr. James WILLIAMS, aged 7 years; and Mary, relict of Mr. John HOSKING, aged 81 years; on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. CLEMO, aged 51 years; and on Sunday last, the infant son of Mr. TERRILL. . At Porth Towan, on Friday last, Mr. Samuel DANIEL, innkeeper, aged 62 years. . At Redruth, on the 9th instant, Mr. Uriah KEMP, aged 51 years; and on Saturday last, the infant daughter of Mr. C. GUNDRY. . At Grampound, recently, Mrs. Sally FORD, aged 96 years; and on Monday last, Miss Eliza LUKE, aged 61 years. . At Fowey, on Wednesday last, Mr. Henry COUCHE, aged 60 years. . At Foreland in the parish of Landreath, on the 3rd instant, Mrs. Mary CAWRSE, aged 89 years. . At Liskeard, on the 7th instant, aged 2 years, Thomas, son of Mr. M. MORCOM. . On Sunday last, in her 77th year, Ann, widow of the late Mr. W. DUNSTAN, of Meadars, Southhill. . At his residence Stoketor House, near Saltash, on the 9th instant, Thomas EDWARDS, Esq., aged 80 years. . At Padstow, Mrs. Blanch TREBILCOCK, aged 85 years; Mrs. John GEORGE, aged 19 years; Mr. Thomas CARTER, aged 58 years; and Miss Ann HARRIS, aged 18 years. . At Penrose, in the parish of St. Ervan, on the 9th inst., Mr. James HAWKEN, aged 79 years. . At Jericho, Van Diemen's Land, on the 18th of July last, aged 17 years, James, son of Mr John RODDA, late of Marazion, in this county. .......................................... Julia M. West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell

[ NOTE: The image for some of these entries was fuzzy. Wherever necessary, entries have been cross-checked against other records] . WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER - transcribed by Philip Green 25th December 1857 . Births. . At Devoran, on the 7th instant, the wife of Mr. Francis Gibbs CLARK, of a son. . At St. Mawes, on the 15th instant, the wife of Mr. Thos. HARVEY, of a daughter. . At Penzance, on the 26th instant, the wife of the Rev. J. P. BARNETT, of a daughter. . At Kerro, Zennor, the wife of Mr. Henry NICHOLLS, of a son. . At Nancledra, in the parish of Towednack, the wife of Mr. Robert ROACH, of a son; also the wife of Mr. Thomas WARREN, Pig Moor, of a daughter. . At St. Ives, the wife of Mr. Wm. BROAD, of a daughter; the wife of Mr. William CRAZE, of a daughter; the wife of Mr. William COUCH, of a daughter; and the wife of Mr. Jacob JOHNS, of a daughter. . At Gwinear Vicarage, the wife of the Rev. H. Tremayne RODD, of a daughter. . At Portreath, on the 18th instant, the wife of Mr. Charles HARVEY, of the "Portreath Hotel," of a son. . At Redruth, the wife of Mr. JOHNS, of a son; the wife of Mr. Robert TEAGUE, of a son; the wife of Mr. John ROWATT, of a son; the wife of Mr. Joseph UDALE, of a son; the wife of Mr. W. MARTIN, of a daughter; the wife of Mr. T. POTTER, of a daughter; the wife of Mr. John LAUNDER, of a daughter; and the wife of Mr. W. H. LAUNDER, of a daughter. . At Penstraze, in the parish of Kenwyn, on the 13th instant, the wife of Mr. Francis LEAN, of a son. . At Baldhu, in the parish of Kea, on the 3rd instant, the wife of Mr. Nicholas DATSON, of a daughter; on the 9th instant the wife of Mr. John CARGENVEN, of a son. . [End of fuzzy image] . At Hugus, in the parish of Kea, on the 5th instant, the wife of Mr. William HOLMAN, of twins. . At St Austell, on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. Benjamin MITCHELL, of a son. . At Bodmin, on the 16th instant, the wife of Mr. John PHILLIPS, of a daughter, and on the 19th instant, the wife of Mr. C. GOODYEAR, of a daughter. . At East Looe, on the 15th instant, the wife of Mr. W. FLETCHER, coast-guard, of a son. . At St. Ive, near Liskeard, on Sunday last, the wife of Mr. G. A. Lee THORNTON, of a son. . At Camelford, on Friday last, the wife of Mr. William HAWKEN, of a son; and on Tuesday last, the wife of Mr. John WESTLAKE, of a daughter. . At Stonehouse, on the 7th instant, the wife of Mr. George FISHER, of the Crown Hotel, of a daughter. . At Mannamead, on the 17th instant, the wife of Mr. William EASTLAKE, of a daughter. . Marriages . At St. George's District Church, in the parish of Kenwyn, on Tuesday last, Captain Richard BRAY, late of Mexico, to Nanny, second daughter of Mr. N. GILBERT, of the former parish. . At the Registrar's Office, Falmouth, on Sunday last, Mr. Mathew BUNT to Mrs. Mary Ann MALLET, both of Falmouth. . At the Registrar's Office, Penzance, on the 19th instant, Mr. Richard WEBER, of Lelant, to Miss Grace NANKERVIS, of Treway, Zennor. . At Madron, on the 20th instant, Mr Richard Oats TREGARTHEN, to Miss Eliza NICHOLLS, both of Penzance; also on the 22nd, Mr. Henry C. H. DUSTING, of Phillack, to Emma Ann, daughter of Mr. James DANIEL, Penzance. . At St. Ives, Mr. William Francis TOY to Miss Margaret RICHARDS; Mr. John M. BERRIMAN to Miss Lavinia TREVORROW; Mr. Charles D. EUSTICE, to Miss Mary QUICK, of Rosewall. . At the Primitive Chapel, St. Ives, on the 13th instant, Mr. Jacob CORIN, to Mrs. Ann HODGE, of Trenedrace, St. Erth. . At Camborne, on Wednesday last, Mr. Thomas RICHARDS to Miss Mary BUZZO; and Mr. James GLANVILL to Miss Ann WILLIAMS. . At St. Blazey, Captain Robert DUNCAN, R.N., to Fanny Thomasine, daughter of the late Captain Richard CRESER, 21st Royal Scots Fusilliers. . At Calstock, on the 16th instant, Mr. George VENNING, of Alston, Stokeclimsland, to Miss Elizabeth BURGH, of Metherell, in the former parish. . At the Baptist Chapel, Saltash, on the 8th instant, the Rev. William MAY, Baptist minister of Burton Latimer, to Jane, third daughter of the late Mr. George Westcott, Saltash. . At Plymouth, on the 22nd instant, Mr. Philip RAWLE, to Miss Agnes VELLACOTT. . At Stoke Church, on the 21st instant, Mahmoud EFFENDI, Major in the Turkish Army, to Lucy, daughter of Captain Heaton, of the British Military Service. . Deaths . At Ferris Town, Truro, on Tuesday last, Mr. Christopher WHITFORD, formerly of Trehane Vean, in the parish of St Erme, and one of the most respected yeomen of Cornwall, aged 67 years. . At Helston, on Sunday last, Mr. Josiah GUNDRY, aged 38 years; the son of Mr. Alexander MICHELL, aged 11 years; and on Wednesday last, the infant son of Mr. T. DAVEY. . At Tregowris, in the parish of St. Keverne, on the 14th instant, Mr. Samuel WHITE, aged 54 years. . At Pradannack, in the parish of Mullion, on the 13th instant, the infant daughter of Mr. Samuel H. JAMES. . At St. Mary's, Scilly, on the 13th instant, Captain John TREGARTHA, aged 45 years. . At Bosvargus, St. Just, on the 21st instant, the infant son of Mr. John CHENHALLS. . At St. Just, on the 15th instant, aged 70 years, the wife of Captain CARTHEW. . At St. Ives, on the 18th instant, Elizabeth, the wife of Mr. John SHORT, aged 64 years. . At Camborne, on Friday last, Miss Jane BENNETTS, aged 30 years; on Saturday last, John, son of Mr. James RALPH, aged 9 years; on Sunday last, Charlotte, daughter of Mr. PASCOE, aged 2 years; and John, son of Mr. Wm. SEADON, aged 2 years. . At Redruth, on the 20th instant, Mr. Peter MEDLYN, aged 65 years. . At Tregony, on Saturday last, Mr. Daniel BUCKINGHAM, aged 81 years; and on Sunday last, Mr. James SOLOMON, aged 85 years. . At Fowey, on the 17th instant, Mr. Henry COUCH, aged 58 years. . At Morval Vicarage, on the 13th instant, Frances Ann, daughter of the Rev. John Francis HEXT, aged 8 years. . At Liskeard, on the 13th instant, John Bligh, son of Mr. Nehemiah HENWOOD, of the Barley Sheaf Inn, aged 19 years. . At Liskeard, on Sunday last, the infant son of the late Mr. John MATTHEWS, printer. . At Liskeard, on the 11th instant, at the residence of Mrs. BUCKTHOUGHT, Miss KNIGHT, aged 59 years. . At Meaders, in the parish of South Hill, on the 14th instant, Mrs. Ann DUNSTAN, relict of the late Mr. William DUNSTAN, aged 76 years. . At Alternun Church Town, on the 11th instant, Mrs. Jane COLE, formerly of Cothender, in the parish of DULOE, in the 90th year of her age. . At Mayrose, in the parish of Lanteglos by Camelford, on Friday last, Mr. Mark THOMAS, aged 66 years. . At Tregoodwell, near Camelford, on Monday last, Miss Mary Jane DAVEY, aged 15 years. . At Stonehouse, on Sunday last, Mr. Abraham WRENTMORE, of the firm of Payne and Wrentmore, aged 58 years. . At Forest Creek, Australia, on the 26th of September last, Mr. Richard Lewis REED, son of the late Mr. William REED, of Truro, aged 29 years. ........................................................ Julia M. West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell

Thanks so much for this! I would have always thought it a prank by or on the paper. I, too, thought Effendi was a term of address, not a surname, and it seems it was. This is on the Web: ef·fen·di (-fnd)n. pl. ef·fen·dis 1. Used as a title of respect for men in Turkey, equivalent to sir.2. An educated or respected man in the Near East.[Turkish efendi, from Medieval Greek aphents, master, alteration of Greek authents.] and this: Definition of EFFENDI : a man of property, authority, or education in an eastern Mediterranean country So there's still a bit of mystery in this, isn't there? Perhaps the Turks didn't use names the same way the British did, and that was his 'official' name. Let's hope the couple met the challenges facing them, and had long, happy lives. Speaking of Christmas traditions, my husband's family lived in an area where "Christmas Fooling" was in vogue. People would dress up in costumes, and knock on a neighbor's door. They'd be greeted, invited in, and fed - and they had to guess everyone's identity. Then they'd dress up as well, and the group would go to another neighbours. Everyone went, including Grandmas and babies. By the end of the night, the last house visited had a whole lot of guests to feed, and lots of guesses. Of course, this was in a rural area, and most folks knew one another since birth. Made it difficult to hide an identity, but some folks were very, very clever in their disguises. (My mother-in-law bought very inexpensive clothes from the local Goodwill during the year, so people wouldn't be able to recognize her from what she'd worn in the past!!) She said they'd followed the tradition for at least 70 years, if not longer, and at Christmas time, always had cakes and cookies ready just in case someone dropped in. Cheers, Julia M. West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell > From: Jordan <paynescrossing@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] West Briton, 25 Dec 1857 - tiny thought > > There's no hoax. > > The parish register of Stoke Demerel records the reception into the > established church of Mahmoud EFFENDI (the more usual spelling of this > surname) on 20 Dec 1857 with his parents recorded as Abdurahman and > Hatidge and a date of birth of 19 Oct 1827. > > The marriage register at Stoke Demerel parish then records the > marriage on 21 Dec 1857 of Mahmoud EFFENDI, age 30, Captain in the > Turkish Army, son of Abdusrahman EFFENDI, Judge and Lucy HEATON, age > 21, in service, daughter of Edward HEATON, Captain in the Army, with > both parties having Stoke Demerel as the place of residence at the > time of marriage. > > I have viewed both images via findmypast.co.uk. > From: "A & B Currie" <berandav@slingshot.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] West Briton, 25 Dec 1857 - tiny thought > To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> > > Well, as youngun's in the 1940 era we used "Efendi" to mean something like > 'honoured friend'. Of course, we, as ignorant kids probably had it > completely wrong, but your idea of a prank is probably correct - as usual, > honoured friend! > > Bern

Well, as youngun's in the 1940 era we used "Efendi" to mean something like 'honoured friend'. Of course, we, as ignorant kids probably had it completely wrong, but your idea of a prank is probably correct - as usual, honoured friend! Bern -----Original Message----- From: cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julia Mosman Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2013 7:37 p.m. To: cornish@rootsweb.com; cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH] West Briton, 25 Dec 1857 - tiny thought Hi All - Just out of general interest, I tried to locate the marriage of Miss Heston to Mahmoud Efendi in FreeBMD for Devon and Cornwall but couldn't find it. Nor could I find it in FamilySearch. Might this have been a Christmas prank? Seems there might have been an unmentioned Christmas tradition being practiced! Julia M. West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message