Thanks to everyone for their help. I am now fairly sure that the tour bus was in Washington DC although somewhat unsure about whether or not my relative is in the picture. Best wishes Stan Rodliffe Our resources freely available on-line: Links from <http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Ancestry/> http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Ancestry/ to: Black's Guides to Cornwall 1879, Gloucestershire 1875 and South Wales 1883; Kelly's Directories of Norfolk and Cambridgeshire 1900 Round the Coast 1895 at <http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Coast1895/> http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Coast1895/ Return of Owners of Land in Norfolk 1873 at: http://www.earlyphotographers.org.uk/1873/

I have a photo taken around 1900 of an early sightseeing auto somewhere in the USA or Canada. If I could find the date and city where the 999 Sight Seeing Auto operated I could perhaps associate one of the passengers with one of my Cornish relatives who visited or worked in North America. Apart from "Leaves every hour", "Lecturer on each trip", "1000 points of interest" and "Round trip $1.00" the only other identifying feature is a winged wheel logo with 999 at its centre, "Sight Seeing Auto" above and "Better than the Best" underneath. I have posted the picture at: http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Ancestry/999_sightseeing_auto.html (Underlines between 999 and sightseeing and sightseeing and auto) I would be most grateful if someone could give me guidance on how to find out when and where the sightseeing tour might have taken place. Best wishes Stan Rodliffe Our resources freely available on-line: Links from <http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Ancestry/> http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Ancestry/ to: Black's Guides to Cornwall 1879, Gloucestershire 1875 and South Wales 1883; Kelly's Directories of Norfolk and Cambridgeshire 1900 Round the Coast 1895 at <http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Coast1895/> http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Coast1895/ Return of Owners of Land in Norfolk 1873 at: http://www.earlyphotographers.org.uk/1873/

West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser. Friday 18th April, 1856. NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN That Mr. FRANCIS JOHNS having been found a Defaulter in his accounts with us, he has been dismissed from our service as Cashier and Clerk, and that for the future he has no authority to receive money or to draw checks or bills on our behalf, or otherwise to pledge our credit. CORNISH and BORLASE, Gweek, 8th April, 1856. NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN That the Partnership heretofore subsisting between us the Undersigned, GEORGE SIMMONS and FRANCIS HEARLE COCK, carrying on the profession or practice of Attorneys-at-Law and Solicitors, at Truro, in the county of Cornwall, under the style or firm of "Simmons and Cock," has been this day dissolved by mutual consent, the said George Simmons having retired from the profession. All Debts due and owing to and by the said Partnership Firm, will be received and paid by the said Francis Hearle Cock. As Witness our hands this Fourteenth day of April, 1856. Witness, JOHN HANGER. PENRYN - DR. COPE's ANNIVERSARY - An interesting service was held on Wednesday the 9th inst., in the Congregational Church, in new Street, to commemorate the twentieth anniversary of the ministry of the Rev. Dr. Cope. In the morning, at eleven, a discourse was delivered by the Rev. S. H. BOOTH, of Falmouth. Tea was provided in the afternoon, at the sole expense of Mr. JAMES BAYNARD, for the Sunday scholars; at five o'clock the doctor and his friends regaled themselves in the same manner, and afterwards adjourned to the chapel where an appropriate hymn, composed for the occasion, was sung, after which the Rev. Mr. BAILEY implored the Divine blessing, and Mr. JOHN TREMAIN, who presided, having stated the object of the meeting, requested Mr. JENKINS to present the address of congratulation, which was numerously signed, to Dr. Cope. To this address Dr. Cope replied in words of grateful impost. He adverted to the kindness he had formerly experienced at Launceston and Dublin, and especially at Wakefield, where he was presented by the committee of the Bible Society, of which he had been for some years the secretary, with an elegantly-bound copy of the Sacred Volume in quarto, and a handsome silver cup from the congregation over which he had long and happily presided. Referring to the subjects of his ministry, he stated that he had studied throughout to declare the whole counsel of God among the peasantry in villages, and to the more polished and educated in towns and cities, in the metropolis and in the provinces. The address and the reply were received with evident marks of satisfaction. The Rev. S. H. BOOTH then offered prayer, and was followed by Messrs. DENYER, GREGG, COPE, BAILEY, and BOOTH, who bore their pleasing testimony to the character and conduct of the minister. ROYAL NATIONAL LIFE BOAT ASSOCIATION - At the annual meeting of this institution, held in London on the 10th instant, the report stated, amongst other things, that life boats complete with carriages and their necessary gear, were about to be supplied to Padstow. The life boats in connection with the Institution had, during the past year, been instrumental in saving the lives of seventy-five persons being the crews of nine vessels, from a watery grave. It had laid out during the past year, in building, repairing, fittings, &c., of life boats GBP2,045, and about GBP1,100 on lifeboat carriages, boat houses and rewards - being the principal objects of the society. Its total expenditure had been GBP3,726, while its whole income did not exceed GBP2,935. To meet so large an expenditure on life boats and their appurtenances, the Institution had incurred large liabilities which with a former balance had amounted to GBP3,000. The committee therefore earnestly appealed for the pecuniary aid of the public. TRURO IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION - At the meeting last Tuesday, of the Truro Commissioners for paving and lighting, application was made by Mr. ALFRED TEDDER to be allowed to place a cab on the stand in Boscawen Street. The application was refused, four voting for and eight against it. It is, however, very doubtful whether the commissioners have the power to refuse the licensing of any cab' their powers extending to the laying down of such rules and regulations in reference to the cabs, as will protect the public. It is unreasonable to suppose that they have the power to create a monopoly in favour of any particular individuals. ROYAL COLLEGE OF SURGEONS - The following gentlemen, having undergone the necessary examinations for the diploma, were admitted members of the College at the meeting of the court of examiners on the 11th instant:- Mr. FITZROY PHILIP DRAKE, Grampound; Mr. ANTONY WHITFORD, St. Columb. Mr. JOHN H. TUKE, of Stratton, was admitted a member of this college at the meeting of the Court of Examiners on the 14th instant. IN RE; STAINSBY - Mr. STAINSBY, who had been purser and manager of many mines, and also a large adventurer, appeared at the London Court of Bankruptcy on Monday last for judgment. He[?] had failed for a very large amount, his [......?] between January, 1853 and March, 1855, being GBP84,884, and during some portion of the time when his business was in a failing state, he had to raise money at 20 per cent. The Commissioner adjourned his certificate for one year, and when granted to be of the second class. PENZANCE QUARTER SESSIONS - There were only two cases for trial. JOHN UREN, jun., of Penzance, Mason, pleaded guilty of stealing some lead pipe, the property of the Local Board of Health, and having been previously convicted he was sentenced to four years' penal servitude, the Recorder informing him that his own good or bad conduct in prison would have a great effect in determining the period of his confinement. SUSAN OSBORNE, of St. Ives, and RICHARD CRAFT, of Fowey, sailor, was indicted for stealing GBP14. 9s. 6d., from the pocket of ELIZABETH BERRYMAN, of Penzance, pork dealer, on the 31st of January, and, in a second count, with having received the money knowing it to have been stolen. Mr. ROSCORLA appeared for the prosecution, and Mr. J. PASCOE for the prisoners. The case was one of circumstantial evidence, and the jury having some doubts, returned a verdict of not guilty. The Recorder refused to make any order as to the GBP10 produced in court, which had been taken from the prisoners when they were apprehended at Hayle. TRURO POLICE - On Wednesday last, before the Mayor and Mr. NANKIVELL, GEORGE PLUMMER, beer shop keeper, George Street, was summoned for having his house open on Friday morning at twenty minutes past one o'clock, and for allowing gambling therein. Police constable WOOLCOCK saw a light in one of the windows at the time mentioned, and on going into the garden in front of the house and looking in, he saw persons playing at cards, the landlord being one of them; he saw the game played out, beer drank, and the money lost paid over. The magistrates fined the landlord GBP2 and expenses; the other summons against him for having his house open, was withdrawn on his promising that it should not occur again. WILLIAM TRENERRY, a turner, was charged with being drunk about eleven o'clock on Sunday forenoon last. Fined 5s. and 8s. 6d. expenses. SERIOUS GIG ACCIDENT - On Monday afternoon, between five and six o'clock, as Mr. THOMAS MANN, builder, of Truro, was driving down Lemon Street in his gig, proceeding at almost a walking pace, when about two-thirds of the way down the street, the off trace unhitched and fell down about the horse's legs, causing the animal to plunge and start off. Mr. Mann, in trying to stop the horse, broke the off rein, and pulling them entirely upon the near rein, he brought the horse round against the iron railings in front of the house occupied by Mrs. MUDGE, and the horse came against them with such force as to break out several of the rails from the granite foundation into which they were fastened. The horse fell, and in so doing pitched Mr. Mann out of the gig, and fortunately sent him over the sharp spear-like points of the railings, and he fell inside with his head on the top of the scraper by the door. He was severely cut across the forehead, and bled very much. He was taken into Mr. ANDREW's surgery, and his head dressed, and afterwards he was conveyed home; he is now, we understand, progressing favourably. Mr. KARKEEK, veterinary surgeon, was sent for to look at the horse, which he found was very little injured. The gig also was not much damaged. CORONER'S INQUESTS - On Wednesday the 16th, at Gwennap, on the body of WILLIAM MOYLE, aged 36 years. The deceased was a miner, and was employed last Tuesday as kibble-filler, in the 80-fathoms level, at Carvannal Mine. From the evidence of another miner called STEPHEN SPARGO, it appeared that he found the deceased between ten and eleven o'clock of the morning of that day, doubled up and holding on by the gate which guides the kibble into the plat. He got him back into the plat, and from the account the deceased gave of himself, it would appear that he had gone up to the 70-fathoms level, to see for a pick, and that whilst there he heard the kibble coming down the shaft, and he turned round in a hurry to get down in time to fill it, when he missed his footing and fell into the shaft. As soon as assistance could be procured, he was carried to his house, at Trevarth Lane End, where he died the same evening from the injuries he had received. Verdict "accidental death." CORNWALL COUNTY COURTS - Redruth - EATHORNE v. MOORE and ANOTHER - In this action the plaintiff is a constable of the parish of Illogan, and the defendants two Irishmen; the action was brought to recover the sum of GBP5. 5s. for damages sustained by the plaintiff in consequence of a violent assault, committed on him by the defendants. But it appeared that the case had been adjudicated on by the magistrates at Camborne, and Mr. HENRY ROGERS for the defendants having pleaded the 9th George 4., c. 31, sec. 27. His Honor directed a nonsuit. PATTON v. McKEAND - This action was brought by the plaintiff, a young Scotsman, against his late master to recover the sum of GBP50 alleged to be due upon the following particulars, viz:- Redruth, March 28, 1856. Mr. ALEXANDER McKEAND to R. PATTON. To wages due for travelling for three years and eight months, from the 19th of July, 1852, to the 17th of March, 1856, at the rate of GBP25 per year for the first year, and GBP30 for the succeeding two years and eight months - GBP105. Less clothes bills - GBP55. Balance due - GBP50. Mr. HENRY ROGERS appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr. DOWNING for the defendant. Mr. Downing submitted that from the above particulars, and upon which this action was brought, his Honor had no authority to try the case, inasmuch as the sum sought to be recovered was GBP105, an amount beyond the jurisdiction of the County Court, and he objected to the plaintiff giving his client credit for GBP55, as no amount of set off had ever been agreed to between the parties, and among several other cases he quoted Avards v. Rhodes, 8 Ex. 312, a decision showing that under the circumstances the County Court had no jurisdiction. Mr. Rogers hereupon offered to refer the case. Mr. Downing: No, for the present I shall rely upon my objection. His Honor: if the set off agree to, be allowed between the parties, I have jurisdiction; I can direct the particulars to be altered. Mr. Downing: Certainly, your Honor, but on the behalf of my client I object to the set off. Mr. Rogers: Your Honor, will find it was perfectly understood between the parties. His Honor: Well we shall see, at present I shall not stop the case. Mr. Rogers: I find, your Honor, after consulting my client, that the set off of GBP55 has not been agree to exactly between himself and the defendant, although it is perfectly correct, and therefore if my friend insists I must go to the Assizes. His Honor: If the set off has not been agreed to, it is very clear that I have no jurisdiction. The case was dismissed accordingly. ELIZABETH BRAY and RICHARD MAYNE were severally committed to prison for thirty and fifteen days respectively for disobeying order of Court. ROBERT EDWIN PEARCE obtained his final order as an Insolvent debtor. St. Columb - SOLOMON v. HOCKADAY - This was a claim for GBP8. 15s., amount due to plaintiff for work and labour in Deer Park Mine, in Mawgan, of which it was stated the defendant was sole proprietor. Mr. EDWARD WHITFORD appeared for the plaintiff; the defendant did not appear. On the case being called, the Clerk of the Court handed to his Honor a letter written by a female of the name of Hockaday, bearing the Plymouth post mark, which stated that the summons therein enclosed had been left with her while in London at defendant's house, but that she was not his wife, and did not know where to send it to him. Mr. Whitford stated to the court that the address at which the summons had been served was the residence and place of business of the defendant, and submitted that there was reasonable probability to suppose that the summons had come to defendant's knowledge, in which his Honor concurred, and on referring to the affidavit of service decided on considering the service good. The amount claimed was for ten weeks' work in Deer Park Mine, between October and December, 1854. Plaintiff and three other men had been engaged during that time in driving an adit, but neither of them ever received anything for their work. Capt. JONATHAN STEPHENS, who acted as agent on the mine, was called, and proved the work to have been duly performed. An order was made for the full amount claimed. BREWER v. HAWKEN - This was a claim for GBP21. 6s. 2d., to which the defendant had pleaded a set-off amounting to GBP64. Mr. EDWARD WHITFORD appeared for the defendant, and stated that the only question in difference between the parties was one of account, the dealings between them, out of which the present claim and set-off arose being extended over nearly fifteen years His Honor thought the case had better be referred, and Mr. W. F. GEAKE having consented to take the matter, the reference was accordingly made to him. TREDWEN v. COCKING, plaintiff claimed GBP1. 11s. 6d. for rent of a dwelling-house in Lower St. Columb. Plaintiff stated that defendant had rented a house of him for some time, but that at Michaelmas last he quitted without ever having given any notice of his intention to do so, and the present action was therefore brought to recover the amount of rent which accrued due from that time to lady-day last. Defendant in answer said that on taking the house, he arranged with plaintiff that a quarter's notice on leaving should be sufficient and that accordingly he gave notice of his intention to leave at Michaelmas, to Mr. Tredwen on the 26th of April previous, and he called a person named BENNET, who stated that he had been informed that defendant was about to quit the house at the time named, and he (witness) being at that time about to alter his condition, got a letter written to Mr. Tredwen offering to take the house, and he understood (he could not read writing) that Mr. Tredwen's reply was that he was to have it, for he proceeded to take possession at once, and commenced providing for the exigencies of married life by planting beds of leeks and onions, but he was afterwards disappointed in his matrimonial expectations and so did not require the house. Mr. Tredwen produced the witness's application to take the house with a copy of his reply thereto, agreeing to accept him as tenant, if he could agree with defendant about taking possession. Other witnesses were called, whose testimony tended to show that the alleged notice to quit had been given as stated by defendant, but which plaintiff did not recollect ever having heard of before. His Honor gave judgment for the defendant.

Mike I've not yet been able to locate that mine costs book, nor a copy of the Birchalls' article partly based upon it. Please send me a bibliographical reference for the latter. Thanks Peter On Sat, 05 May 2012 17:28:37 -0400 "Peter Moll" <spring@surfbvi.com> wrote: >Mike' > >Thanks for your interesting and helpful comments, which I have been busy following up, especially with the Director of the BVI (British Virgin Islands) Parks Trust, which manages the CMP (my abbreviation of Copper Mine Point) site. She is getting me an article about its history - possibly that one from the Journal of The Trevithick Society. I also hope to be able to find out more about some graves on Virgin Gorda reputed to be of Cornish miners. I shall post any names I come across. However, I have not yet established which of our museums holds that mine cost book which I would love to see...... > >Peter > >>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:17:39 +0100 >>From: "Michael Kiernan" <Mike@corn1.freeserve.co.uk> >>Subject: [CORNISH] Virgin Gorda >>To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> >> >>Peter. I thought would mention (but you are probably aware of this) that a >>short history of the Virgin Gorda Mine appeared in the Journal of The >>Trevithick Society some years ago, written by Frank & Margaret Birchall. >>(sample extract - "The first serious mining operation began in 1835 when >>the Virgin Gorda Mining Company was formed. Miners were recruited in >>Cornwall and 31 men and 5 women sailed from St. Austell"). I understand >>that the authors research was partly based upon a mine cost Book which has >>survived and is located in the British Virgin Islands Museum.

If you look on a surname distribution map of the British Isles for 1881, the greatest concentration of the Rickards surname by then is actually in Devon, followed by Cornwall and then somewhere in the Home Counties. I don't know if that sheds any light on its origins, though! Florian > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Joanne, Thank you for this. I had come across the burial on the OPC database a while ago, but had ruled it out because she hadn't died at Mylor. If this is the correct Elizabeth Mannell, I feel quite sad for her ending up in a Union Workhouse, as the rest of her family appear to have had decent lives, some of her siblings being in a position to have servants. Having been the dutiful daughter who stayed home with her parents, it appears her siblings did nothing to help her. Thanks again, Penny Banks ACT Australia ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 09:36:36 -0400 From: JCM <JCM2006@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Elizabeth MANNELL 1838 - ? To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP101E5E5FE02E46025B62D39D11C0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Part 2 - sorry Penny, last answer got away from me too quickly. I forgot to add that the OPC database has the same death for Elizabeth MANNELL, buried in St Gluvias on February 16, 1895, age 57. Residence was the Union Workhouse, Budock. Joanne Toronto, Canada Hi Penny, FreeBMD has the death of a 57 year old Elizabeth MANNEL registered in the March quarter of 1895, registration district of Falmouth, Vol.5c page 138. Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Gordon" <penny@gordonfamilyhistory.com.au> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:58 AM Subject: [CORNISH] Elizabeth MANNELL 1838 - ? > Hi all, > > > > Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions on my elusive 3rd Gt Aunt, > Elizabeth Mannell. I have not been able to establish her date of death. > The following is what I have for her: > > > > . I believe that she is the "Female" Mannell whose birth was > registered Jan - Mar 1838 at Falmouth (certificate to be ordered to > confirm > this, however her sisters Emily and Jessie were also registered at > Falmouth); > > . Baptised 16 April 1838 at Mylor, the daughter of Joseph Mannell > and Ann Mannell (nee Rowe); > > . 1841 Census Mylor with parents and siblings Francis (my Gt Gt > Grandfather), Mary, Louisa, John, Emily Ann and Jessie; > > . 1851 Census Mylor with parents and siblings Francis, Louisa, > Emily, Jessie, Joseph Cade, Jervis and Benjamin, and cousin Mary Nicholls; > > . 1861 Census Mylor with parents and siblings Joseph Cade, John > Jervis and Benjamin; > > . 1871 Census Mylor with mother and brother John Jervis; > > . 1891 Census Penryn living on her own (as Elizabeth Mannel), > Charwoman. > > > > I have been able to find marriages and deaths of her siblings, but I have > not been able to find anything else for Elizabeth after the 1891 Census. > > > > If anyone has any suggestions for where I should look next, it would be > very > much appreciated, as I would like to "close off" this family branch. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Penny Gordon > > Banks ACT Australia > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com > with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, > MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the CORNISH list administrator, send an email to CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CORNISH mailing list, send an email to CORNISH@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of CORNISH Digest, Vol 7, Issue 149 ***************************************

________________________________ From: Guillermo Perez <percas37@yahoo.com> To: "lucy@lucybaker.net" <lucy@lucybaker.net> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:30 PM Subject: Re: FAMILY HARVEY KEMP, REDRUTH CORNWALL UK MRS LUCY BAKER, THERE ARE TWO MORE KIDS, NOT INCLUDED, IN MY FAMILY HARVEY KEMP.                  RESEARCH. DIRECTLY IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OF EL COBRE. SANTIAGO DE CUBA. CUBA 1.-JOHN HARVEY- KEMP LIVED AND WORK WITH HIS GRANDFATHER MR,  JAMES, HARVEY BORN IN LANNER, CORNWALL , UK,  IN 1840. (FARM LABOR).. THE OLDEST SON, OF THE FAMILY HARVEY-KEMP. 2.- ALFRED HARVEY-KEMP. BORN IN EL COBRE COOPER MINES, SANTIAGO DE CUBA, CUBA IN 1859. 3.- TOTAL CHILDRENS.  10. 4.JOHN. 1840, JANE 1842, JULIANNA 1847, THEODORE 1848, JOSIAH 1849, FREDEICK 1851, ALBERT 1854.    WILLIAM 1855, ALFRED 1859, AND CHARLES  HARVEY-KEMP. 1861. 5. THERE IS A FAMILY IN REDRUTH, CORNWALL UK, THAT I THINK IS RELATED TO ME T. HARVEY & SONS .   LTD, SARAH. ,JAMES & PAUL HARVEY. RADNOR ROAD, REDRUTH CORNWALL UK. AND M. HARVEY     & SON, TREILEGH,  REDRUTH, CORNWALL ( MR. MARK HARVEY)...     THANKS GUILLERMO L. PEREZ DEL CASTILLO EMAIL, PERCAS37@YAHOO.COM ________________________________ From: Lucy Baker <lucy@lucybaker.net> To: GUILLERMO LUIS PEREZ <percas37@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:08 PM Subject: Re: FAMILY HARVEY KEMP, REDRUTH CORNWALL UK Hi Guillermo! Wonderful to hear from you - thank you - they are in a good and worthy place, very serene and lovely. Blessings to you and your family. warmly, Lucy > country: United States > > state: Georgia > > subscribe: YES > > discover: BY INTERNET > > message: TWO FAMILY OF MY GRAND MOTHER, MRS ISABEL  HARVEY GUERRA, ARE > BURIED IN ST EUNY CEMENTERY.JULIANNA HARVEY KEMP, DIED IN MAY > 15/1853.JOSIAH HARVEY KEMP, DIED IN CUBA 1867 Y BURIED IN ST, EUNY > CEMENTERY.ARE STILL LIVING IN THIS AREA, PART OF MY LARGE FAMILY > HARVEY-KEMP. THANKSGUILLERMO L. PEREZ DEL CASTILLOFAYETTEVILLE GEORGIA USA > 30215 > > warmly, Lucy www.lucybaker..net

________________________________ From: Guillermo Perez <percas37@yahoo.com> To: "lucy@lucybaker.net" <lucy@lucybaker.net> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:30 PM Subject: Re: FAMILY HARVEY KEMP, REDRUTH CORNWALL UK MRS LUCY BAKER, THERE ARE TWO MORE KIDS, NOT INCLUDED, IN MY FAMILY HARVEY KEMP.                  RESEARCH. DIRECTLY IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OF EL COBRE. SANTIAGO DE CUBA. CUBA 1.-JOHN HARVEY- KEMP LIVED AND WORK WITH HIS GRANDFATHER MR,  JAMES, HARVEY BORN IN LANNER, CORNWALL , UK,  IN 1840. (FARM LABOR).. THE OLDEST SON, OF THE FAMILY HARVEY-KEMP. 2.- ALFRED HARVEY-KEMP. BORN IN EL COBRE COOPER MINES, SANTIAGO DE CUBA, CUBA IN 1859. 3.- TOTAL CHILDRENS.  10. 4.JOHN. 1840, JANE 1842, JULIANNA 1847, THEODORE 1848, JOSIAH 1849, FREDEICK 1851, ALBERT 1854.    WILLIAM 1855, ALFRED 1859, AND CHARLES  HARVEY-KEMP. 1861. 5. THERE IS A FAMILY IN REDRUTH, CORNWALL UK, THAT I THINK IS RELATED TO ME T. HARVEY & SONS .   LTD, SARAH. ,JAMES & PAUL HARVEY. RADNOR ROAD, REDRUTH CORNWALL UK. AND M. HARVEY     & SON, TREILEGH,  REDRUTH, CORNWALL ( MR. MARK HARVEY)...     THANKS GUILLERMO L. PEREZ DEL CASTILLO EMAIL, PERCAS37@YAHOO.COM ________________________________ From: Lucy Baker <lucy@lucybaker.net> To: GUILLERMO LUIS PEREZ <percas37@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:08 PM Subject: Re: FAMILY HARVEY KEMP, REDRUTH CORNWALL UK Hi Guillermo! Wonderful to hear from you - thank you - they are in a good and worthy place, very serene and lovely. Blessings to you and your family. warmly, Lucy > country: United States > > state: Georgia > > subscribe: YES > > discover: BY INTERNET > > message: TWO FAMILY OF MY GRAND MOTHER, MRS ISABEL  HARVEY GUERRA, ARE > BURIED IN ST EUNY CEMENTERY.JULIANNA HARVEY KEMP, DIED IN MAY > 15/1853.JOSIAH HARVEY KEMP, DIED IN CUBA 1867 Y BURIED IN ST, EUNY > CEMENTERY.ARE STILL LIVING IN THIS AREA, PART OF MY LARGE FAMILY > HARVEY-KEMP. THANKSGUILLERMO L. PEREZ DEL CASTILLOFAYETTEVILLE GEORGIA USA > 30215 > > warmly, Lucy www.lucybaker..net

________________________________ From: Yvonne Bowers <ybowers@gmail.com> To: Guillermo Perez <percas37@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:02 AM Subject: Re: FAMLY HARVEY-KEMP, REDRUTH, CORNWALL UK Hello, Guillermo, I don't have any info on your family but I'm sure someone on the list will.  Please resend your message to CORNISH@rootsweb.com (but don't send the attachments - Rootsweb won't let you). Happy hunting! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Yvonne Bowers Listmom/Webmom CORNISH, CORNISH-GEN, CA-CORNISH http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/cornishlib/cornishlib.htm On May 21, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Guillermo Perez wrote: > >  > > >  > > > MRS. IVONNE BOWERS. . PLEASE ,TO LET ME KNOW IS, MY GRANDMOTHER FAMILY, HARVEY-KEMP 'IS RELATED IN REDRUTH, CORNWAL, UK.,  TO T. HARVEY & SONS. SARAH, ,JAMES & PAUL HARVEY OF RADNOR  >ROAD , REDRUTH , CORNWALL UK, MY GRANDMOTHER WAS MRS. ISABEL HARVEY GUERRA THE YOUNGEST DAUGTHER OF MR. ALBERT HARVEY- KEMP AND MRS. JUANA GUERRA TOLEDO, SHE WAS BORN IN EL COBRE COOPER MINES, SANTIAGO DE CUBA, CUBA IN MAY 6, 1876. >ATTACHED YOU WILL SEE TWO FILES WITH ALL INFORMATION OF MY FAMILY FROM REDRUTH, CORNWALL' >UK. > > >THANKS > > >GUILLERMO L. PEREZ DEL CASTILLO >140 WENDELL CT .FAYETTEVILLE, GEORGIA , 30215, USA >EMAIL. PERCAS37@YAHOO.COMM   > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > ><Harvey-1 (11).doc><Document (1) (1).rtf>

Hi Jan - Re the surname of Rickard, and it's possible origin. This is from the St. Austell website; I wrote it based on Canon Hammond's book; he's the one who specified the surnames mentioned below. In 1580, Queen Elizabeth brought German miners to the area to work deep veins in the copper mines; according to Canon Hammond, local family names of Bowman, Ham, Hart, Hore, Keast, Kessell, Lobb, Sleeman, Starke, and Waldron all stem from these settlers. During the Stuart period, many more mines were opened, including Wheal Fatwork, Virtue, Bold-venture, Wet and Weary, and Heartsease. George I brought further German miners into the parish as the mines deepened, since the Germans had experience with hard rock and deep mining. It was thought their expertise was needed, especially for Polgooth mine, which was given a new lease on life. In it's heyday, more than 1,200 miners worked at Polgooth, and it had 26 shafts working concurrently. My oldest family name is SYMONS; we have reliable data back to 1500 on "my" group. There have been other, older, mentions of the name, I believe. However, I was given to understand that it's NOT considered a "Cornish" name - at some time, a Symons emigrated to Cornwall. So longevity of the name in Cornwall isn't pertinent! We're not technically Cornish, and that's that. Be that as it may, we're still Cornish; the Symons married other folks with Tre, Pen, and Pol surnames, the tricky devils. If you can locate a RICKARD[S] before 1580 living in Cornwall, you might be able to counter the other lady's claims. But your family name might be like the Symons - definitely not Cornish at its root. Cheers, Julia Symons Mosman

Have lost contact with Sherry Ann Miller. Is anyone in touch with her? David Henwood CFHS 00037 DFHS 00135

Hi Penny, Elizabeth's birth place is given as Mylor, and in the 1881 census and earlier, that's where she was, but in the 1891 census, she was at St Thomas Street, Penryn Borough, in the parish of St. Gluvias. That fits with the burial in St Gluvias. Her occupation as charwoman in 1891 also, sadly, fits with the workhouse. Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Gordon" <penny@gordonfamilyhistory.com.au> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Elizabeth MANNELL 1838 - ? > Hi Joanne, > > Thank you for this. I had come across the burial on the OPC database a > while ago, but had ruled it out because she hadn't died at Mylor. > > If this is the correct Elizabeth Mannell, I feel quite sad for her ending > up > in a Union Workhouse, as the rest of her family appear to have had decent > lives, some of her siblings being in a position to have servants. Having > been the dutiful daughter who stayed home with her parents, it appears her > siblings did nothing to help her. > > Thanks again, > > Penny > Banks ACT Australia > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 09:36:36 -0400 > From: JCM <JCM2006@sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Elizabeth MANNELL 1838 - ? > To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP101E5E5FE02E46025B62D39D11C0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Part 2 - sorry Penny, last answer got away from me too quickly. I forgot > to > add that the OPC database has the same death for Elizabeth MANNELL, buried > in St Gluvias on February 16, 1895, age 57. Residence was the Union > Workhouse, Budock. > > Joanne > Toronto, Canada > > > > Hi Penny, > > FreeBMD has the death of a 57 year old Elizabeth MANNEL registered in the > March quarter of 1895, registration district of Falmouth, Vol.5c page 138. > > Joanne > Toronto, Canada > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Penny Gordon" <penny@gordonfamilyhistory.com.au> > To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:58 AM > Subject: [CORNISH] Elizabeth MANNELL 1838 - ? > > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions on my elusive 3rd Gt Aunt, >> Elizabeth Mannell. I have not been able to establish her date of death. >> The following is what I have for her: >> >> >> >> . I believe that she is the "Female" Mannell whose birth was >> registered Jan - Mar 1838 at Falmouth (certificate to be ordered to >> confirm >> this, however her sisters Emily and Jessie were also registered at >> Falmouth); >> >> . Baptised 16 April 1838 at Mylor, the daughter of Joseph Mannell >> and Ann Mannell (nee Rowe); >> >> . 1841 Census Mylor with parents and siblings Francis (my Gt Gt >> Grandfather), Mary, Louisa, John, Emily Ann and Jessie; >> >> . 1851 Census Mylor with parents and siblings Francis, Louisa, >> Emily, Jessie, Joseph Cade, Jervis and Benjamin, and cousin Mary >> Nicholls; >> >> . 1861 Census Mylor with parents and siblings Joseph Cade, John >> Jervis and Benjamin; >> >> . 1871 Census Mylor with mother and brother John Jervis; >> >> . 1891 Census Penryn living on her own (as Elizabeth Mannel), >> Charwoman. >> >> >> >> I have been able to find marriages and deaths of her siblings, but I have >> not been able to find anything else for Elizabeth after the 1891 Census. >> >> >> >> If anyone has any suggestions for where I should look next, it would be >> very >> much appreciated, as I would like to "close off" this family branch. >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> Penny Gordon >> >> Banks ACT Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. 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West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser. Friday, 11th April, 1856. MILITIA ROOMS - Lord VIVIAN moved that the sum of two guineas be paid to Mr. JOSEPH PASCOE, for making a plan and estimates for storerooms for the militia at Bodmin. The committee appointed last year to inquire into the necessity of building storerooms for the militia, instructed Mr. Pascoe to make the plan and estimates for the building. The motion was seconded by Mr. THOMSON, and agreed to. TRIALS OF PRISONERS - JANE BONE, 18, pleaded Guilty of stealing a sovereign from her grandmother, CATHERINE BONE, at Redruth. Sentence, Two Months’ Hard Labour. MARY FROST, 20, was charged with stealing a gold locket and silver pendant, the property of her master, JOHN MARTIN HARVEY CARDELL, at Bodmin, on the 17th of March. Mr. COMMINS, for the prosecution, called W. T. HARRIS, constable of Bodmin, who produced a locket and pendant which he received from Mr. BROAD, watchmaker, Wadebridge, on the 22nd of March. Mrs. Cardell, wife of Mr. Cardell, chemist and druggist, Bodmin, said prisoner was a servant in her house; she came on the 9th of January and left on the 18th of March. The locket and pendant now produced belonged to witness; they were in a drawer of the dressing table before prisoner left; witness saw them there at the end of February. She lost the locket the Monday evening before prisoner left; did not miss the pendant until it was shown to her. The servant had constant access to her room. JOHN BROAD, jun., of Wadebridge, said prisoner came to his shop on the 19th of March, and showed him a locket which was that not produced. She asked him to purchase it; he said he did not care much about buying it, but he afterwards gave her 9d. for both the articles. He had never seen the girl before; he did not ask her where she came from. The Prisoner here said that a servant called KITTY TREMAIN, who left Mrs. Cardell’s before she did, gave her the articles. Mrs. Cardell said Kitty Tremain left her service on the 28th of February; she saw the articles a few days before that. Tremain, she believed, was now in Plymouth. The Chairman, in summing up, remarked that the prisoner had said nothing about Kitty Tremain when she was before the committing magistrate. If she was at Plymouth, she might have endeavoured to bring her here. In reply to the jury, the prisoner said she did not know Kitty Tremain was at Plymouth; she had not tried to find out where Kitty Tremain was. Verdict, Guilty – Six Months’ Hard Labour. ROSALIND PENPRAZE was charged with stealing fifteen sovereigns and a bag, the property of ELIZABETH JENKIN, of Redruth; and THOMAS PENPRAZE, her father, was charged with feloniously receiving the same knowing it to have been stolen. Mr. SHILSON for the prosecution, and Mr. CHILDS for the defence. Mr. Shilson stated that Mrs. Jenkin, the prosecutrix keeps a small shop in Redruth and sleeps in the same room as the shop. Between seven and eight in the evening of the 1st of January, she locked the door, intending to go to bed, when she heard a knock, and opening the door, found it was the little girl Rosalind Penpraze, and her sister, come to buy an orange. Mrs. Jenkins had put her bag of money on the quilt of the bed, intending to place it in a drawer. At the post of the bed there was a chair, and the little girl (the prisoner) sat on this chair, whilst she served the other girl with the orange. They went out, and Mrs. Jenkin turned to the bed to take up her bag of money, upon which she found it had been taken away. The bag was afterwards found outside Mrs. Jenkin’s door, but with no money in it. Mr. Shilson said he should also rely for proving the case, upon statements made by the girl and her father. He was about to call witnesses, when Mr. Childs submitted that the little girl, Rosalind Penpraze being under seven years of age, she could not, by law, be convicted of felony. The mother of the child was then sworn and stated that the little girl, Rosalind, would be seven years of age on the 9th of this month (Wednesday). The Chairman then told the jury that the child had been proved to be under seven years of age that day; therefore she was under that age when the offence was alleged to have been committed. The two cases were connected together, and under the circumstances, the jury would say that both the prisoners were not guilty. Verdict, Not Guilty. The Chairman told Thomas Penpraze that there was suspicious circumstances against him, arising from his own expressions. The prisoner, in reply said that the statements which had been made against him were false. They were then discharged. JOHN ROSEVEARE, 17, was charged with stealing, on the 1st of March, a pair of trousers and a pair of boots, the property of his master, HENRY NICHOLLS, a farmer in the parish of Zennor. Prisoner left the house with the articles in question, and was found wearing them at St. Blazey. He said he took the boots because his master had locked away his own boots, and it appeared this had actually been done, but he had no such defence with regard to the trousers. Verdict, Guilty. Prosecutor gave him a good character. Sentence, Four Months’ Hard Labour. JANE ALICE STEPHENS, 18, was committed for want of sureties in a breach of the peace towards her mother, JOANNA STEPHENS, at Gwennap, on the 13th December last. The mother did not appear against her, and on promising the Chairman that she would conduct herself peaceably in future, she was discharged. GRACE GEACH, 22, was committed for want of sureties in a breach of the peace towards MARY ANN ROWE, at St. Austell, on the 8th of January. The Chairman cautioned Geach to be less violent in future, and as Mary Ann Rowe did not appear against her, he ordered her to be discharged. ROBERT STEPHENS, 54, shoemaker, was committed for want of sureties in a breach of the peace towards his wife MARY ANN STEPHENS, at Lostwithiel. The Chairman told the prisoner his wife had shown great kindness in not appearing against him, but if his conduct was repeated they should be obliged to get her to appear. He was then discharged. NO BILL - The bill against ANDREW ROBERT of St. Blazey, for felony, was ignored. ST KEVERNE, appellant, Mr. SHILSON and Mr. F. B. HILL jun.; ST. MARTIN IN MENEAGE, respondent, Mr. CHILDS and Mr. PLOMER. Mr. Hill said this was an appeal dated January the 12th, against the removal of ANNA MARIA DUNN, and SIMON her illegitimate child, aged twelve months, from the parish of St. Martin to the parish of St. Keverne. The first ground of appeal set out that there was nothing to show that complaint had been made by the respondents before the magistrates. To this Mr. Childs replied, that on the duplicate of the order, the magistrates (Mr. POPHAM and the Rev. W. THOMAS) by way of recital set out that the complaint was duly made, and he submitted that that was prima facie evidence that the complaint in fact was made. The Court overruled the objection. Mr. Childs then, on the part of respondents, said he should produce evidence to show a settlement of the pauper’s father, WILLIAM DUNN, by hiring and service with JOHN HARRY, in the parish of St. Keverne. He then quoted from Archbold, that a general hiring for weekly or monthly wages, is to be presumed a weekly or monthly hiring, unless there be something in the terms of the contract to show that it was otherwise intended, and then it was to be deemed a hiring for the year. He should show that in the present case there was a weekly hiring, with a stipulation for a month’s notice on either side, and under those circumstances he said it must be deemed a hiring for the year. Evidence was then given by William Dunn, pauper’s father, and by HENRY HARRY, farmer of Sithney, son of Henry Harry of St. Keverne, for whom Dunn had worked as a journeyman wheelwright. Dunn said he lived in his master’s house three and a half years as a single man, and worked for weekly wages. On one occasion he had a difference with his master’s son, and then gave his master a month’s notice that he should leave his employ. On cross-examination, however, the witness stated that he made his bargain for weekly wages, and that he had not stated that the bargain was to give his master a month’s notice, and that his master was to give him the same. The other witness, Mr. Harry, contradicted Dunn in a statement he made that there were fixed house in his father’s shop, and that Dunn worked regularly from six to six. After this evidence and a few words from the advocates, the court decided that only a weekly hiring had been made out by the respondents; the order was therefore quashed. Mr. Shilson applied for exemplary costs, but after hearing statements on both sides, the court decided on giving GBP5 costs. MAWGAN IN MENEAGE appellant, Mr. SHILSON AND Mr. F. HILL jun.; ST. ALLEN respondent, Mr. CHILDS and Mr. CHILCOTT. This was an appeal against an order made by Mr. H. P. ANDREW and Capt. KEMPE, magistrates, dated the 7th of February last, for the removal of LOUISA LANYON, widow, and JOHN HENRY LANYON, her sons, aged about seven years, from the parish of St. Allen to Mawgan in Meneage. Appellants, in their grounds of appeal, alleged that Thomas Lanyon, the deceased husband of the pauper, had acquired a settlement in the parish of Cury, by yearly hiring and service with JAMES RANDLE. Mr. Childs submitted, that when appellants set up a subsequent settlement, it was their duty to show precisely when the year commenced or ended, so as to leave it without doubt that the settlement was acquired prior to the statute of William the Fourth, (the new poor law act, that abolished settlements by hiring and service, &c.), which came into operation in August, 1834. He said appellants had alleged that the first hiring took place in or about the year 1831, which he contended was not sufficiently definite. The Chairman said, if the grounds of appeal had stated that the yearly hiring was in or about 1832, that might go on to 1833, and would have been a fatal blunder; but in or about 1831, which might go to 1832, was not a fatal blunder. Mr. Shilson then entered on the case for appellant by calling as witnesses, ANN LANYON, aged 75, mother of the pauper’s deceased husband, and a farmer called HENDY, living in the appellant parish. On the other hand to rebut the evidence of a yearly hiring and service in Cury, respondents called as witnesses JAMES RANDLE, of Cury, farmer, with whom THOMAS LANYON, pauper’s deceased husband, had served; MARTHA ROGERS, servant with Mr. Randle for twenty-nine years; and SAMUEL RANDLE, living in Stithians, son of James Randle. The advocates afterwards addressed the court, Mr. Chilcott, for respondent, contending that he had shown that the boy Thomas Lanyon did not enter Mr. Randle’s service in Cury till December, 1833, and that his year’s service in Cury, till December 1833, and that his year’s service was not ended till 1834, after the passing of the act. That was also shown, he said, by the statement that the boy was fourteen when the service commenced, he having been born in 1819. As to the statement of Ann Lanyon that there were three separate bargains, in three succeeding years, for her son to serve with Mr. Randle, he submitted that she must be wrong in that statement, as she was contradicted by the evidence of those in the house, Mr. Randle, his son, and Martha Rogers. Mr. Randle had brought only one of his account books, showing the period of Lanyon’s service from 1833 to 1834, but in so doing Mr. Chilcott submitted that the witness had not from design kept back any of his books, but had brought that one which alone had reference to the case. Mr. Shilson replied on the part of appellants, stating that Ann Lanyon’s belief was that her son went to service with Mr. Randle when he was thirteen; and with regard to the three bargains of which she had spoken, they had some corroborative evidence from farmer Hendy, who lived on an adjoining farm to that of Mr. Randle, and said he had seen the boy in two lambing seasons going towards his home, which was four or five miles distant. The account book produced by Mr. Randle showed that Lanyon’s service with him ended in September, 1834; if then there were three bargains he must have served with him three years prior to that date. Randle had been subpoenaed to bring all his books and papers; as he had not done so, he (Mr. Shilson) was warranted in assuming that they contained something in favour of the appellant’s case. The magistrates retired, and on their return into court, the Chairman said the court was of opinion that the settlement was gained prior to the operation of the statute of August 1834. The order was therefore quashed, with common costs. GWENNAP appellant, Mr. SHILSON and Mr. COMMINS; LISKEARD respondent, Mr. CHILDS and Mr. CHILCOTT. This was an appeal against an order made by Lord VIVIAN and the Rev. A. TATHAM, for the removal of MARY PERRY, widow, and her two children JOHN, six years, and CHARLES, four years, from the parish of Liskeard to Gwennap. Mr. Childs, for respondents, said the settlement and chargeability were admitted by the appellants, and he should only have to prove the marriage of the pauper to her husband and the birth of a child, one of the children having died since the order was made. Appellants resisted the removal on the ground that Mary Perry had resided as widow and wife for five years in the respondent parish, and that she was therefore irremovable under the statute 9th and 10th Victoria. Perry, the husband, and his wife, resided in Liskeard parish five or six years before he went to Australia, between two and three years ago; and that going to Australia, Mr. Childs contended, was a break of residence, in consequence of which the wife and her children became removable to her own settlement in Gwennap. Mr. Childs cited Queen v. Halifax, Queen v. Holbeck, Queen v. Coulston, and especially Queen v. Stapleton, 32 Law Journal, p. 102, in which it was laid down that where there was an intention to return, it was held to be a mere temporary absence, and not considered a break of residence; and anticipating that appellants would make use of those cases, he contented that the pauper’s husband, in going to so distant a place as Australia, to work as a miner, could not be held as having an intention to return, as laid down in the cases cited, but that his going thither must be held as constituting a break of residence. He quoted also Queen v. Llanelly on the same point, and submitted that the onus probandi rested on appellants to show that the pauper was a widow in fact, and that her husband has an intention to return; also he contended that appellants could not couple her residence as widow with her residence as wife, to make up a five years settlement, because her residence was broken when her husband quitted Liskeard for Australia. He then called the pauper Mary Perry, who stated that she lived in the parish of Liskeard, that she was married to Charles Perry, eight years ago last January, and had had two children. Her husband left for Australia in September 1853, and she had not seen him since. Cross-Examined – Her husband had GBP60 in the bank when he left; he left her GBP20 in the bank, and some pounds in the house; he worked at the Caradon mines. She did not become chargeable to the parish of Liskeard till October last, when her money was gone. Her husband could not write; she had received three letters since her husband left, but did not know the hand writing; she did not know the hand writing of the letters now produced; she received a certificate of her husband’s death, which took place in Australia on the 30th of April, 1854. Mr. Childs objected to the reception of the certificate as evidence of Charles Perry’s death; upon which Mr. Shilson remarked, that although respondents would not now admit the death of Perry, they had made use of facts to show it before the magistrates who made the order, and had described Mary Perry as a widow in the order. Mr. Shilson said he now came to the point, that as wife and widow, Mary Perry had resided five years in the parish of Liskeard, and was therefore irremoveable; and secondly, that there was no disruption of residence by the husband going to Australia. The Chairman here said, that if a man went abroad as captain or supercargo of a vessel, or for some such temporary purpose, he should not consider it a break of residence, but a miner going out to Australia, for the purpose of bettering his circumstances was a very different case, and one which he thought involved a break of residence. Mr. Shilson said he still hoped to satisfy the court that there was no break of residence. Charles Perry did not desert his wife, he left her with GBP20 in the bank, and with money in the house, he did not leave her chargeable to the parish, nor did she become chargeable as his wife, but in October last as his widow. She had resided two years in the parish after her husband left her, before she became chargeable, and she had resided more than five years previously to that. He then proceeded to contend, on the authority of Queen v. Glossop, Law Journal, that he was entitled to connect the residence of the wife with that of the widow, in which case more than five years residence would be shown, and she would be irremoveable. The Chairman said, in the case of Queen v. Glossop, the residence of the wife with the husband for three years was united with the two years of her widowhood; but in the present case it was sought to make use of a certain period when the husband was not with the wife; the case of Glossop was not encumbered with that break. Mr. Shilson replied, that in Queen v. Glossop it was not required to be a constructive legal residence, but a residence in fact. He then drew attention to the case Queen v. Llanelly, and said it was no matter how long a man was absent if he had the intention and ability to return; and the inference, from the husband having left his wife with money in the bank and in the house, was that he intended to return. Mr. Childs having replied on one or two of the cases cited, the magistrates retired, and on returning into court, confirmed the order. Mr. Shilson then applied for, and was granted a case upon two points, first, that the widow was irremoveable by reason of her five years residence as wife and widow; and secondly, that the fact of the husband having left her, caused no break in his residence. The order was confirmed with common costs, and GBP2. 15s. maintenance. FROM THE LONDON GAZETTE – Tuesday, April 8, 1856. - 1st Regiment Cornwall Rangers – Ensign SCOBELL to be Lieutenant, vice ARCHER, promoted. THE MOORSWATER VIADUCT - The piers of this viaduct, respecting the safety of which some doubts were entertained, have been recently inspected by Mr. BRUNEL, who has certified their efficiency. THE CHILD MURDER AT TRURO - We stated last week, that after the committal of RICHARD JOSE, JAMES GEORGE, ANN MATTHEWS, and ELIZA BURNS, to take their trial for the wilful murder of Mrs. Matthews’s new-born child, the Mayor of Truro, Mr. Stokes, directed that the body of the infant should be disinterred, in order to ascertain whether poison had been administered to it, as one of the prisoners, Richard Jose, had stated before the magistrates, that the other male prisoner, James George, had thrown the contents of a bottle into the child’s mouth, and that the child was then “like a thing strangled.” Accordingly, on Thursday afternoon, the body was exhumed from St. Clement churchyard, and taken to the surgery of Mr. PAINTER, Ferris Town, Truro, where an examination was made by Mr. Painter and Dr. BULLMORE, and the result was, that not the slightest effect of vitriol or any kind of poison was discoverable. COUNTY COURTS OF CORNWALL – LAUNCESTON - On Wednesday last, before W. M. PRAED, Esq., Q.C., BROWN v. SHORT. This was an action brought by WILLIAM REDDAWAY BROWN, a large cattle dealer, living in Bratton Clovelly, Devon, against the defendant to recover the sum of GBP8. 10s., the price of a steer sold by the defendant to the plaintiff, warranted sound, and for the expenses of taking such steer to Hartley Row. According to the plaintiff’s statement, the steer was bought by him at Launceston, on the fair-day; it was warranted sound. It was afterwards taken to Hartley Row, a distance of about one hundred and fifty miles from Launceston, and there sold with seven others to a Mr. CHALLIS, a farmer residing in Sussex, and was by the plaintiff’s son warranted sound. The steer died shortly after it came into the possession of Mr. Challis, and the plaintiff paid him the value of the steer. The steer was in colour, between red and yellow, with cocked up horns and black tips to the horns. Mr. Challis, a highly respectable farmer, who had been brought from Sussex by the plaintiff, proved that he bought of the plaintiff’s son, at Harley Row, eight steers, warranted sound; that one of them died shortly after it came into his possession, the colour, the shape of the horns, and the black tips agreed with the description given by the plaintiff. He had been paid the value of the steer by the plaintiff. According to the statement of the defendant, confirmed by his son, and another person, (who was present when the plaintiff was in treaty for the steer) not one word was said about the warranty – that the steer was in good condition, healthy and sound when sold; that the description given by Mr. Challis of the dead steer did not correspond with the steer sold by the defendant to the plaintiff, which was a very dark red, with horns not cocked up but rather turned inwards. The learned Judge said the evidence was very contradictory on all points; on the warranty, on the soundness of the steer, and on the identity of the steer sold, with the dead steer, he should therefore give a verdict for the defendant with costs. Mr. WHITE was the advocate for the plaintiff; Mr. R. K. FROST, for the defendant. HENRY ROSSITER, insolvent, late of Fairmantle Street, Truro, watch and clock maker and jeweller, came up for his final order. In consequence, however, of judgment having been obtained against him in this Court on the very day in which he filed his petition, the Judge could not give him his final order until that matter was settled. John Truscott, FORMERLY OF St. Austell, afterwards of St. Stephens in Branwell, subsequently of St. Austell Street, Truro, and now of St. Clement Street, coal-merchant, agricultural implement maker, blacksmith and whitesmith, filed his petition and schedule, and obtained an interim order until his first examination on the 9th of May. WILLIAM JAMES REED, of Richmond Hill, Truro, farrier, agricultural smith, blacksmith and whitesmith, filed his petition and schedule, and obtained an interim order until his first examination on the 9th of May. THE PROPOSED LAW OF DIVORCE - The Standard, after quoting a brief description of the divorce law of Scotland which lately appeared in the Daily News, observes:- “The murdered BOUSFIELD was a person in circumstances to expend GBP20 or GBP30 in getting rid of a wife whom he supposed (falsely, indeed) to be unfaithful, and we must suppose him a worse monster than he was, if, under an impression of his wrongs, he had not preferred getting rid of a faithless wife by legal means to the commission of a murder upon her and three innocents. Believing, as we have reason to believe, the wife of the wretch to have been a woman wholly without stain, would not the truth have been laid open to the stupid husband, as well as to the rest of the world, by a public trial, and our country, nay, our species, protected from the infamy of such a crime and such a punishment as has shocked and disgusted the country? We are not of the number of those who think that capital executions for murder can be dispensed with, or would hide such executions from the vulgar; but we must say that the processional parades at such frightful scenes at the Old Bailey are the reverse of edifying. At country prisons things are more decently conducted. Our present business, however, is with the proposed law of divorce; and we contend that such a law would go further then almost anything else we can imagine to the general purification of morals, and to the softening and refining the manners of those who stand in greatest need of such improvement. THE CONVICT HANS HANSEN - The public are aware that this man, late a soldier in the German Legion, was sentenced at the recent Cornwall Assizes to be hanged for the wilful murder of his comrade CHARLES JACOBI. After this awful sentence was passed upon him, he was placed in the condemned cell at the county gaol, where he exhibited great penitence, and gave much of his time to prayer, and to reading the scriptures and various religious books in the German language. He also thankfully received spiritual counsel; and we are informed that the Rev. THEOPHILUS CLARKE, Master of the Bodmin Grammar School, who is a German scholar, was frequently with him. He sometimes said that Jacobi was his friend that he had no intention of killing him, and that he was not dead when he left him. He persisted in saying to those around him that he had no previous intention of killing his comrade. We state last week that a memorial in favour of the condemned man had been sent up to the Secretary of State from the jury who convicted him. Eleven of the jury signed that memorial, which stated their opinion that the evidence at the trial offered no proof of motive for the commission of murder; that they believed the death of Jacobi was caused by an unpremeditated act on the part of Hansen, and that, on re-consideration, they felt that their verdict should have been one of manslaughter. We should also add that Mr. PRESTON WALLIS, of Bodmin, who felt strongly convinced that the act was one of manslaughter, applied himself energetically to the getting up of this memorial, and to obtaining its signatures, and otherwise most judiciously exerted himself to procure a remission of the sentence on the condemned criminal, for which purpose he incurred much personal labour, and directed the exertions of others, in obtaining information on which to ground an application to the Home Office. There were also, we understand, memorials sent up from other parts of the country; the memorial from the jury to the Home Secretary being presented by Dr. MICHELL, one of the members for Bodmin. The application was successful. On Friday last, Mr. EVEREST, the Governor of the County Gaol, received from the Home Office a letter marked “respite” on the outside, which intelligence was immediately communicated to the prisoner, who was so affected (not having expected that his life would be spared) that we are informed he fell prostrate in the cell. He was at once removed from the condemned cell appropriated to murderers, and arrayed in the ordinary prison dress, and placed in another part of the gaol. On the following day (Saturday) the reprieve arrived from the Home Office, with a commutation of the prisoner’s sentence to transportation for life. ROYAL COLLEGE OF SURGEONS - Among those who, after undergoing the necessary examinations for the diploma were admitted members of this college at the meeting of the courts of examiners on the 4th instant, we observe the name of Mr. THOMAS CARTHEW GILLET, of Truro. At the Court of Examiners, held on the 8th instant, Mr. J. PENBERTHY, of Redruth, was enrolled a Licentiate of Midwifery. Mr. JOHN LANGDON HAYDON DOWN, of Torpoint, was on Monday last admitted a member. APOTHECARIES’ HALL - Among those who passed their examination and received certificates to practice on Thursday the 3rd instant, we observe the name of Mr. FITZROY PHILIP DARKE, of Grampound, in this county. PRESERVATION FROM DROWNING - During the launch at Padstow on Monday, a fine lad of about seven or eight years of age, named RICHARD FRADD, fell into the water and sunk, when JAMES GAMMON OSBORN, rushing to the spot, jumped off the quay, and diving, succeeded in bringing the boy to the surface, and ultimately to land, where prompt measures produced the desired effect of restoration. This is the second life recently saved from drowning, by the noble intrepidity of James Gammon Osborn, who deservedly merits the attention of the Humane Society. MINE ACCIDENT - On Tuesday last, as a man named JAMES COLLINGS, of Todpool, in the parish of Kenwyn, was at work underground in St. Day United Mines, a “scale” of ground fell on him, which injured him in so serious a manner, that we regret to state his recovery is considered entirely hopeless. CORONERS’ INQUESTS - The following inquests have been held before Mr. JOHN CARLYON, county coroner:- On Thursday the 3rd instant, at the George and Dragon Inn, Truro, on the body of JOHN MILLS, blacksmith, aged 35 years, who was found dead in bed by his mother between six and seven o’clock in the morning of that day. He had taken his supper and gone to bed the evening before in his usual health, but he was subject to fits of epilepsy, and the jury after hearing the evidence of Mr. PAULL, surgeon, were satisfied that he had had one in the course of the night, and hence the death. Verdict accordingly. On Saturday, at North County, Redruth, on the body of RICHARD HAMMILL, aged four years, who was killed on Friday last by falling into an old engine shaft in Wheal Mary sett. The mine had been “knocked” between four and five years, and the shaft in question had been sollared over and perfectly secured, but some party or other, no one knew who had subsequently stripped off the timbers which had been nailed against the bob end of the shaft and it was through this opening that the deceased fell. He had been playing there with three or four other little boys about the same age as himself, who as soon as they saw what happened made an alarm which brought a person called GEORGE HICKS to the spot, and he at some personal risk was lowered into the shaft by a rope and succeeded in recovering the body but life was extinct. Verdict, “accidental death.” On Wednesday, at Mylor, on the body of CHARLES DAVIES, aged 15 years. The deceased was an engine fitter and worked at Perran foundry. On Tuesday last he and three other workmen went to do some repairs to the machinery on board the “Alexandrie” steamer then lying at the entrance to Restronguet Creek, and as he was stepping on board from a boat along side he accidentally fell into the water and was drowned. Verdict, “accidental death.” The following inquest has been held before Mr. HAMLEY county coroner:- On the 8th inst., at St. Columb, on the body of an illegitimate child, five weeks old, belonging to ELLEN TREGILGAS. It appeared from the evidence of the mother, the nurse, and another woman who slept in the same room that the deceased went to bed apparently as well as usual on Saturday night, but was heard to cry once or twice during the night by a woman who slept in another bed in the same room. She awoke the mother, who suckled the child about midnight. On Sunday morning the mother, who had the care of another child, got up, dressed, and prepared meat for her own child, but on going to the bed to take it out, she found it was dead. She ran to the nurse with the child in her arms, and asked what was the matter with it. Mr. MARTYN, surgeon, was sent for, and from appearances stated that the child died from convulsions. It appeared that the mother, who is only sixteen years of age, always seemed to be very kind to the child. The jury returned a verdict, “died from natural causes.” On Thursday the 27th ult., an inquest was held by Mr. GOOD, county coroner, assisted by Mr. HAMLEY, on view of the body of a new-born male child found dead at a village called Nutstakes, in the parish of Calstock. It appears from the evidence that a woman named MARY ANN ROBERTS, whose husband has been absent for the last three years, had for a long time been considered by the neighbours to have been in the family way, which she always denied. Her husband came home about a week ago, and discovered the report was too true, left her and went to lodge about a quarter of a mile distant. A young woman called MARY SMITHERAM was in the habit of sleeping with her, and on the previous Sunday night was awoke by hearing a choking sound; she asked her what it was, and Mary Ann Roberts made no reply. She (Mary Ann Roberts) then said, “I must get up and go down stairs; I may as well go first as last.” As she was going down stairs, Mary Smitheram heard something screech twice; she thought it was the cry of a child, and was afraid to go down, but in about twenty minutes she got to the head of the stairs, and met Mary Ann Roberts coming up, who then said, “I have got child, but for God’s sake don’t you every split.” Mr. Ann Roberts returned to her room, and the girl Smitheram went into her mother’s, who lives next door. As she was passing through the kitchen, she saw a child lying upon its back, before the stove, apparently dead; there was a candle on the table. Mary DODGE, the mother of Mary Ann Roberts, and a neighbour called VENNING, then came in, and the child was washed. Several marks and bruises were discovered on the neck and chest. Mr. WOOD, surgeon, made a post mortem examination of the body, and stated that it was a full-grown male child; that he had no doubt that the child was born alive (he was quite sure that it must have breathed). He observed several marks about the face and neck, and one very large patch in front of the neck, apparently caused by pressure. There were no other marks on the body; he had no doubt that the child died from congestion of the brain, produced by the pressure he had spoken of, which in his opinion would not have been caused by the mother in delivering herself. One of the jury asked Mr. Wood whether it was possible that the bruises might have been done by the mother during delivery, and before the child was wholly born? Mr. Wood said, in his opinion they were not, but he could not undertake to say that it was impossible. He was also asked if the child have been wholly born alive, and had received the injuries on the throat during delivery, whether it would not have lived for some little time after their application. His answer was that he thought it might, and that it was possible for the mischief to have been inflicted before the child was wholly born. The Jury then at once unanimously returned as their verdict, “ that the said male child was born alive, and that it died from congestion of the brain produced by some violent pressure, which might have been occasioned by the mother during self delivery.” After the inquest, the coroner considered it his duty to communicate the circumstances of the case to the magistrates of the district.

Just going to bed Joan Goodnight Pat in Perth, Western australia On 20/05/2012 10:55 PM, Joan in Colorado wrote: > Hi Brian: > > Here in the sunny (but cool in the mornings) Colorado, I am just elated to know that the flame will start in Cornwall and I may be mistaken, but I think it is because Cornwall is considered the very end tip of England. I was interested to know that Humphrey Davy lamps are used to carry the flame and so appropriate. I felt an affinity with your ancestor's comment, for I too was left much to myself as a child and made my own discoveries and sort of formed myself. > > Have a beautiful day in Australia, though you may be sleeping by now:-) > > Best wishes, Joan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Millett<bmillett@u030.aone.net.au> > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 19 May 2012 22:04:38 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Helston and the Olympic Flame > > Dear Listers, > Even in sunny (but cool-in-the-mornings) Australia, the impact of the > Olympic torch was here though I didn't know that the flame was to be landed > in Cornwall, highly appropriate that it should be in Cornwall, where so many > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Jan I’ve been following the talk about the name Rickard with interest. I just thought I should let you know that I will be at Bridgeport during the CCC conference in June (in the guise of the Director of the Cornish Global Migration Programme). It just happens I’ve prepared a little presentation that is intended to illustrate how we (the CGMP) try to follow the Cornish as they travel around the world. I’ve picked a rather unusual example which follows Cornish engineers from Cornwall in the 1850’s who travelled to France and other European countries – but the saga ends up in California (and the White House) - thanks to a remarkable branch of the Rickard family. I’m sure if we meet up at Bridgeport we will have much to talk about that, perhaps even the very Cornish family name of Rickard! My wife are flying to Sacramento on the 29th May, picking up a hire car and driving initially in the direction of Grass Valley, hopefully arriving some days later at Bridgeport (taking care as we visit Donner Pass), via a motel or two and not being diverted by expected attractions. Hopefully will meet you in California! And, of course, all others who may be attending the California Cornish Cousins annual get together. Regards, Mike (Kiernan) Redruth

Hi all, Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions on my elusive 3rd Gt Aunt, Elizabeth Mannell. I have not been able to establish her date of death. The following is what I have for her: . I believe that she is the "Female" Mannell whose birth was registered Jan - Mar 1838 at Falmouth (certificate to be ordered to confirm this, however her sisters Emily and Jessie were also registered at Falmouth); . Baptised 16 April 1838 at Mylor, the daughter of Joseph Mannell and Ann Mannell (nee Rowe); . 1841 Census Mylor with parents and siblings Francis (my Gt Gt Grandfather), Mary, Louisa, John, Emily Ann and Jessie; . 1851 Census Mylor with parents and siblings Francis, Louisa, Emily, Jessie, Joseph Cade, Jervis and Benjamin, and cousin Mary Nicholls; . 1861 Census Mylor with parents and siblings Joseph Cade, John Jervis and Benjamin; . 1871 Census Mylor with mother and brother John Jervis; . 1891 Census Penryn living on her own (as Elizabeth Mannel), Charwoman. I have been able to find marriages and deaths of her siblings, but I have not been able to find anything else for Elizabeth after the 1891 Census. If anyone has any suggestions for where I should look next, it would be very much appreciated, as I would like to "close off" this family branch. Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Penny Gordon Banks ACT Australia

The names Rickard and Richard, both with or without a terminal -s, occur all over Europe with quite widely varying spellings, for example Ricciardo in Italy. The English kings of that name were of Norman descent (and largely French-speaking), but the Normans in turn came from Scandinavia and penetrated western Europe all the way down to Italy. As the Scandinavian languages are in the same broad group as German and Dutch (and hence also Flemish, Afrikaans etc.), the name is certainly NOT of Cornish origin, but would have come in with the Anglo-Saxons at the earliest. Of course, Cornwall names are a mix of Anglo-Saxon, Norman-French and Celtic, and so it is not surprising to find persons of Cornish descent bearing such names in mining areas around the world. (The addition of -s or -son to either name makes it a patronymic, i.e. originally held by someone whose father's given name was Richard or Rickard. In Wales, the patronymic is sometimes indicated by Ap, and names such as Ap Richard and Ap Rhys or Reese were corrupted to Pritchard and Price; and similarly with Mac in Scotland and Ireland.) One source found on Google suggests that the name means "strong ruler", the "ruler" bit being RIC, which has an obvious connection with the German Reich, meaning a kingdom. German spelling was also very variable, and wasn't stabilized to what we see today until the time of the Martin Luther Bible, much as as the King James Bible stabilized English spelling. Another source suggested that the Rickards/Richards spelling was common in both England and Scotland, rather than specifically Cornwall, which it penetrated in the same way as other English names did. Andrew Rodger rodgera@audioio.com

Hi Listers, I would like to make contact with any descendants of John Hoyte b.abt 1804 St.Columb Minor and Elizabeth Mitchell b.abt Jan 1814 Cubert and would like to know if any photos exist of this family. John's parents were George Hoyte and Alice Glanville. John and Elizabeth had the following children: William Mitchell HOYTE b. 1839 Cubert d.1886 Newquay John HOYTE b. 1842 St.Columb Minor d.1917 Newquay m. Elizabeth Ann MICHAEL Philip Mitchell HOYTE b. 1845 Truro d.1932 Australia m. Jane LIDDICOAT Thomas Mitchell HOYTE b. 1848 St.Columb Minor d.1883 Truro m. Mary COOK Edward HOYTE b. 1850 St.Columb Minor d.1877 Newquay Anthony Mitchell HOTYE b. 1853 St.Columb Minor d.1909 Newquay m. Mary Ann MICHAEL John HOYTE snr was a Farmer & Bus Driver/Proprietor in the Newquay area along with his sons William and Edward. John jnr was a furniture maker in Newquay and had no children. Thomas worked at the Commercial Hotel Newquay Road and also at the Coach & Horses Inn 1 Pydar, Truro. Thomas and Mary had 2 children Ada Elizabeth Hoyte b.1878 and Thomas Percival Hoyte b.1880 and died 1882. Anthony was a postman and also a Carrier for Great Western Railway. Anthony had 2 children Anthony John Charles Hoyte who married Adelaide Gladys HUXTABLE and Fenella Annie Hoyte who married James Harold CLEMENS. My main interest is in Philip Mitchell Hoyte who married Jane LIDDICOAT 19 Jun 1871 in Truro. I cannot find anywhere on the census as to where they were living in 1871. He was listed as a mariner on his marriage cert. Philip and Jane had 3 children: John Henry Hoyte b.1872 d.1882 Elizabeth Jane Hoyte b.1878 d.1879 Edward b.1875 who married a cousin Catherine Melinda MITCHELL. Edward and Catherine had a daughter Ada Gwendoline Hoyte b.1899. I would love to know what happened to Edward and if his daughter Ada ever married. It would appear that this Hoyte family were rather well off but Philip left Cornwall and his 3 children on board the ship Durham on Feb 13 1878 (under P Hoit) and arrived in Melbourne April 1878 and never returned to Cornwall. In the 1913 NSW POLICE GAZETTE and entry was made by Philips wife. Missing - Phillip Hoyte, left Cornwall, England , for Australia about thirty-four years ago. Inquiry at the instance of his wife, Mrs. Hoyte, 21 Berry-road, Newquay, Cornwall. Kind regards Jo (Australia)

Dear Listers, Even in sunny (but cool-in-the-mornings) Australia, the impact of the Olympic torch was here though I didn't know that the flame was to be landed in Cornwall, highly appropriate that it should be in Cornwall, where so many great things have begun - and continue. I also noted that they used Humphry Davy Safety Lamps to carry the flames and that had a particular resonance with me as he was the son of an ancestor of mine, Grace Millett, who married his father, Robert Davy. Humphry Davy said of himself, 'I consider it fortunate I was left much to myself as a child, and put upon no particular plan of study.... What I am I made myself.' Not a bad legacy, eh??? Brian Millett of Yass nr Canberra, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Davis Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2012 1:51 AM To: cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Helston and the Olympic Flame I don't consider your message to be off-topic at all! Thanks for letting us know your experience. Jan in California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Rodda" <jane.rodda@sky.com> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Helston and the Olympic Flame > Oops!! Is right, although I didn't pick that up.... > > ....it's been an amazing day here in Cornwall...we were up at 7am to > watch the flame arrive at Lands End by a RNAS Culdrose search and > rescue helicopter, then a couple of hours later we walked to the end > of our road to see the torchbearer finish the first stint at Penzance/ > Madron road just past the cemetery, before going by road to Marazion > and the nest team of bearers. > > It was quite an emotional occasion...which to be honest I wasn't > expecting.....but for Cornwall to be at the forefront of such a huge > occasion and making history was wonderful..... > > ...It was also great to see one of Cornwall greatest contributed to > the occasion...Sir Humphrey Davys miners lamps were used to carry the > flame in safety. > > Hope Listmom, will forgive this off topic message. I also hope you > will all be able to see a little bit of our wonderful county on your > news programmes. > > Best wishes to All. > Jane > > In Penzance and very proud to be Cornish > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Jan Davis > Sent: 19 May 2012 02:00 > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CORNISH] Helston and the Olympic Flame > > I saw on the TV news tonight that David Beckham lit the Olympic flame > in "Helston, England". Don't they mean "Helston, Cornwall, U.K."? Oops!!! > Jan in San Diego California > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to > CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject > line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to > CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject > line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, Even in sunny (but cool-in-the-mornings) Australia, the impact of the Olympic torch was here though I didn't know that the flame was to be landed in Cornwall, highly appropriate that it should be in Cornwall, where so many great things have begun - and continue. I also noted that they used Humphry Davy Safety Lamps to carry the flames and that had a particular resonance with me as he was the son of an ancestor of mine, Grace Millett, who married his father, Robert Davy. Humphry Davy said of himself, 'I consider it fortunate I was left much to myself as a child, and put upon no particular plan of study.... What I am I made myself.' Not a bad legacy??? -----Original Message----- From: cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Davis Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2012 1:51 AM To: cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Helston and the Olympic Flame I don't consider your message to be off-topic at all! Thanks for letting us know your experience. Jan in California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Rodda" <jane.rodda@sky.com> To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH] Helston and the Olympic Flame > Oops!! Is right, although I didn't pick that up.... > > ....it's been an amazing day here in Cornwall...we were up at 7am to > watch the flame arrive at Lands End by a RNAS Culdrose search and > rescue helicopter, then a couple of hours later we walked to the end > of our road to see the torchbearer finish the first stint at Penzance/ > Madron road just past the cemetery, before going by road to Marazion > and the nest team of bearers. > > It was quite an emotional occasion...which to be honest I wasn't > expecting.....but for Cornwall to be at the forefront of such a huge > occasion and making history was wonderful..... > > ...It was also great to see one of Cornwall greatest contributed to > the occasion...Sir Humphrey Davys miners lamps were used to carry the > flame in safety. > > Hope Listmom, will forgive this off topic message. I also hope you > will all be able to see a little bit of our wonderful county on your > news programmes. > > Best wishes to All. > Jane > > In Penzance and very proud to be Cornish > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Jan Davis > Sent: 19 May 2012 02:00 > To: cornish@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CORNISH] Helston and the Olympic Flame > > I saw on the TV news tonight that David Beckham lit the Olympic flame > in "Helston, England". Don't they mean "Helston, Cornwall, U.K."? Oops!!! > Jan in San Diego California > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to > CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject > line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Subscribe to digest by sending an email to > CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject > line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Subscribe to digest by sending an email to CORNISH-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and body text. If you want, MIME digests, email CORNISH-admin@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribe from either by sending an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message