-----Original Message----- From: Charlotte ~ <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 10:01 AM Subject: Re: copyright question on sharing info? >Primary Source documents i.e. from State Archive etc...are not original >...they are public documents...therefore you cannot copyright them to begin >with...it is not illegal to download them from the net...State Archives >etc....make a lot of money from their documents...if anyone would have the >copyright it would be them...but you don't see a copyright notice on them do >you? > >Charlotte WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! I have never done this!! I have never downloaded information from the net for web pages. I have always searched orignial documents and made indexes or abstracts on my own. The quote at the bottom of this post has been taken out of context to change the meaning of what I said -- which is that one should NOT copy someone else's page even if the information on that page is public informaiton. The quote is even cut off mid sentence! I really RESENT these accusations and personal attacks on my honesty and integrety. Karen Bush > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Lorine McGinnis Schulze" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: copyright question on sharing info? >Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:03:59 -0400 > >Karen, > >I am horrified that you would even suggest such an act of outright >copyright infringement on this list! > >To suggest that a person might be able to steal someone else's >page and change it slightly so that others don't know it was stolen >is completely inappropriate. > >Your remarks are exactly the reason why many of us with large >websites chock full of primary source data (like The Olive Tree) >have had to put up hidden defenses against such acts. > >Yes folks -- if you try Karen's idea on my page, or on many others >such as Cyndi's List you'll find yourself embroiled in a huge >copyright infringement action. > >Copyright is copyright -- and trying to steal someone else's hard >work is copyright infringement. > >DON'T take someone else's work, change it and put it on your own >site unless you are prepared for a battle. I have fought dozens of >cases of copyright infringement from my Olive Tree site >(successfully) and will continue to do so. > >However, think before you try this trick -- first, it is copyright >infringement and secondly, if enough people do this, you can say >goodbye to the sites like Olive Tree that are actively attempting to >bring primary source documents to you, the researcher. > >Why? Because eventually I, and others like me, will simply pull >their pages and say sayonara. It is the researcher who will lose in >the end. > >So if the fact that this little trick is illegal doesn't stop you, think >about the loss of genealogical data. You can bet that someone that >would stoop this low will never get off their butt to get out into the >world of archives and libraries and Family History Centres to >actually *find* the data, transcribe it, code it, add their own >research notes, and then offer it freely online to all. I do. The Olive >Tree is where I offer my hard work. There are many like me out >there - who *do* get out and work very hard to bring information to >other researchers. > >THINK before you do anything --- and remember that the Internet >copyright laws are the same as those in 'the real world' --- and >going into a library, taking a book from their shelves, copying it in >full, then republishing it under your name is ILLEGAL. > >Lorine > > >Date forwarded: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:04:50 -0700 (PDT) >Send reply to: "Karen Bush" <[email protected]> >From: "Karen Bush" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: copyright question on sharing info? >Date sent: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:59:25 -0700 >To: [email protected] >Forwarded by: [email protected] > > > > > > Yes, you are correct. And if you did take the info from a webpage and > > repost it on yours, most likely you can do it in such a way that no one > > would know that you didn't look up the records yourself. BUT - I don't > > think it is very nice thing to do, from the view point of someone who has > > >Lorine McGinnis Schulze >[email protected] >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >* The Olive Tree Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ >* The Canadian Military Heritage Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmil/ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com >