You are RIGHT Charlotte. Thank you. Belinda [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte ~ <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 4:56 PM Subject: Re: copyright question on sharing info? >Not unless it's original...i.e. copying information from a will book is not >an original work, transcribed, abstracted or whatever....compilation is just >the compiling of information...on the net that is a database.... > >Charlotte > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Belinda & Dave Savadge" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: "Belinda & Dave Savadge" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: copyright question on sharing info? >Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:44:21 -0400 > >>From what I understand from my attorney is that you can copyright your >compilation but not the facts. Compilation Copyrights are the order in which >you put things. > >Belinda >[email protected] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lorine McGinnis Schulze <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 4:32 PM >Subject: Re: copyright question on sharing info? > > > >My husband is a lawyer. > > > >Copyright laws of course do not apply to a link but they DO apply > >to the organization of a set of links, to the coding used to display > >them, to the creative display around such links, etc. > > > >I do not wish to discuss Cyndi's site as it is not mine but The Olive > >Tree information is information that I collect, transcribe, and labour > >over for hours deciding how it will be displayed on my pages. I own > >the copyright to that-- to the coding, the page itself, the layout of > >the page on which the material resides, the order in which the > >material appears and to the personal research notes and additional > >materials I have added to the original records. > > > >So -- if I transcribe a ship's passenger list -- the names of the > >passengers are not copyright to me but the way I have set that > >page up to display the material, the extra information I have added, > >the organization of my materials, and so on -- ARE. > > > >Anyone who takes my work and attempts to pawn it off as their > >own will be in for quite a surprise if they try to claim that they > >personally transcribed it. Why? Because, as I noted in my previous > >emails, those of us who work this hard to assist the genealogical > >community have methods in place to prove that a page in its > >entirety was lifted. > > > >Lorine > > > >Date forwarded: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:39:02 -0700 (PDT) > >From: "Charlotte ~" <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: copyright question on sharing info? > >Date sent: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:38:55 PDT > >To: [email protected] > >Forwarded by: [email protected] > > > >> I'm a lawyer and I handle copyright cases.... > >> > >> And yes, someone could do exactly what you have said...Charlotte > >> > >> ----Original Message Follows---- > >> From: "Lorine McGinnis Schulze" <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected], "Charlotte ~" <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: copyright question on sharing info? > >> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:47:20 -0400 > >> > >> You are misinformed and I suggest you check the copyright laws > >> much more carefully. > >> > >> Don't be misled by public opinion -- it is the law that counts, not > >> how people (mis)interpret it. > >> > >> My pages, Cyndi's pages, and all the other pages on the internet > >> are copyright protected. > >> > >> By your (mis)interpretation below, anyone could purchase the > >> cemetery recordings that are for sale by various Genealogical > >> Societies, copy them and republish them under their name. > >> > >> However -- that is a violation of copyright law. Even though the info >on > >> a gravestone is obviously public domain, the organization or person who > >> publishes that info has copyright to their publication. > >> > >> Others may indeed walk the cemeteries for themselves, > >> labouriously writing down all the data, and publishing it *but* if they > >> dare to take the previously published work (whether online or off) they > >> are in violation of copyright. > >> > >> Lorine > >> > >> > >> > >> Date forwarded: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:49:53 -0700 (PDT) > >> From: "Charlotte ~" <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: copyright question on sharing info? > >> Date sent: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:49:20 PDT > >> To: [email protected] > >> Forwarded by: [email protected] > >> > >> > Well, no offense to Cindy...I really enjoy her site...but that is > >> contrary > to the current state of the law.... > > Links are not > >> copyrightable...only original material is > copyrightable....links are > >> very very public... > > Public documents cannot be copyrighted...you > >> cannot copyright that which > is not copyrightable in the first > >> place...your documents you refer to are > a database and congress has >not > >> passed legislation to include them in the > copyright law yet....and >most > >> predict that it will not pass... > > Generally what happens in the > >> genealogy community, you either put an OK to > download on the page or > >> the one who wants the information requests that > they be allowed to > >> download the information.... > > The other problem with making a link a > >> copyright is that you've taken the > information for the link from the > >> other site...so to try and copyright a > link is to try and copyright > >> someone else's information or site > address...not possible...and > >> specifically not covered under > copyright...link addresses are public > >> info... > > The design of her pages she can copyright...if it is an > >> original design > etc....source code is programing, did she write a > >> program?...html code > doesn't amount to much...but then I use > >> FrontPage98 for my web > pages...which is Microsoft's to begin with... > > > >> > Getting a copyright in the Copyright office, only means you have the > >> right > to sue...doesn't mean you will win and believe me copyright > >> lawsuits run > about $100,000.00 from start to trial... > > Charlotte > > > > >> ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Lorine McGinnis Schulze" > >> <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: > >> copyright question on sharing info? > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:49:17 > >> -0400 > > No she is not correct. > > Having studied several online >sites > >> regarding copyright laws, I find > Cyndi's page about Copyright Issues > >> at > > http://www.CyndisList.com/copyrite.htm > > > addresses > >> succintly this problem of source codes, descriptive text > and page > >> layout and design. > > Cyndi's article tells us that while URLs > >> themselves are not > copyright, a link is. A link is defined as the >URL, > >> the html code, > and any descriptive text. > > She also states: > > " > >> Source code for a web page is copyright protected. Just because > you > >> CAN copy it, doesn't mean that you SHOULD copy it. Doing > so would > >> constitute a copyright violation. " [Source: > > >> http://www.CyndisList.com/copyrite.htm] > > Cyndi herself has >registered > >> her html source code (among other > things) with the US Copyright >Office > >> (as stated on her webpage) > > I have defended Olive Tree Genealogy's > >> primary source documents > online against those who feel they can >simply > >> take what I spent > hours creating. That is a copyright violation. > > > >> Lorine > > > > Date forwarded: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:23:36 -0700 (PDT) > > >> From: "Charlotte ~" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: > >> copyright question on sharing info? > Date sent: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 > >> 15:23:01 PDT > To: [email protected] > Forwarded by: > >> [email protected] > > > Yes, you are correct...any editorial > >> notes by the original author might > > be > > off limits...depends on > >> how public they are and when they were > > added...Congress is trying >to > >> pass a database bill....but they can't > seem > to get it > >> accepted...West Publishing just lost a big case in 1998, > I > >believe, > >> they are the official reporter for most court opinons...but > the > > >> court said they didn't have a copyright on the court opinons, so > > >> anyone > could scan them and put them on the net...but they couldn't >scan > >> > any of > the headings i.e. summaries or editorial notes that West >had > >> > added to the > original opinion.... > > What you'll find in most > > >> genealogical groups is a standard to ask the > poster if you can use > > >> their info...if like most of us we want to find our > ancestors we >don't > >> > mind...just don't sell the stuff ...<g>... > > Charlotte > > > >> ----Original > Message Follows---- > From: [email protected] > To: > > >> [email protected] > Subject: copyright question on sharing info? > > > >> > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:57:54 EDT > > Hi. I just joined this list > >> (I've > been here a few other times though), > and I'm wanting to find > >> out if I > understand the copyright law concerning > online material > >> that is public > domain info. I work in the reference > section of a > >> library and have > read quite a few books on it, but with such > > >> technical language, it's > hard to comprehend. Basically, this is my > > > >> understanding...using an > example: > > I have a webpage on certain > >> surnames and I go to a webpage > where I find > info on those surnames >I > >> don't already have. It's public > info, like > census, marriage list, > >> cemetery list, wills, etc. I > understand it that I > can copy those > >> facts and paste them onto my > webpage in my own format.... > > > >> Basically, that doesn't come across > exactly right, but from my > > >> understanding, > a person cannot copy the > facts and info from public > >> records, only the > format, and they cannot > prohibit someone from > >> using the info on their > page > > (when it is public info like > >> genealogy documents usually are). Am I > right > > about this, or >not? > >> Thanks for the input! > > > > Erin Bradford > > [email protected] > > > > >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~kshai (The Genealogy Depository) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________________________ > > >Get > >> Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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