Linda, You did NOT look further. Newspaperarchive.com is NOT included in Obituary Collection. If you will just go direct to that - you will find the list of lots of newspapers who have their own online obituaries available FREE ACCESS. I talked with my favorite newspaper publisher and she is having attorneys on this because she tried herself and was bamboozled by the statment telling her she need paid subscription to access HER OWN NEWSPAPER site. Her newspaper is NOT included in Historic Newspaper or even Newspaperarchive.com for that matter. Ancestry is using exact same tactic it tried with Internet Biographic Collection. Did you know you can access newspaperarchive.com through Godfrey Library for much lower fee? Not only that, better results, too. W. David Samuelsen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W. David Samuelsen > To: copyright@rootsweb.com > Sent: 31 August, 2007 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [COPYRIGHT] Ancestry and Web pages > > <snip>Now Ancestry is about to run afoul of the newspaper owners. - same > reasons! > > > David, > > You have mentioned the newspaper collections in several of your posts and > quite frankly I cannot understand your issue with these collections. The > Historical Newspapers clearly come from Newspaperarchive.com for which one > would have to pay $99 for an annual membership if using them directly. > The obituaries clearly come from Legacy.com and also a large number of the > obits they host require payment of $2.95 for one obit for 24 hours of use > - in other words - 1 day. > > Clearly Ancestry has agreements with both Legacy.com and > Newspaperarchive.com and this is what part of our subscription to Ancestry > pays for. > > The pages at Ancestry are clearly marked from where they come from. The > Historical papers view screen clearly is marked Newspaperarchive.com at > the lower left of the view screen and the images themselves also have > their name on them at the bottom of the page. > > The obituary pages, if one scrolls to the bottom of the webpage, it is > clearly stated "Powered by Legacy.com". > > Are you trying to say that we should get LESS for the cost of our > subscription to Ancestry? > > Linda > in Costa Rica > Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ > Monroe County, NY History > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COPYRIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
David, You did NOT read my message carefully. The obituaries are hosted through Legacy.com NOT newspaperarchive.com. Just Google Legacy.com and it will be the first hit. Add a surname to the search box and you will see the same results as available at Ancestry. Some are paid, some are not. In my experience, the majority are available for a fee. The only difference is that those that are for a fee at Legacy.com are available for viewing at Ancestry.com as long as you are a paid subscriber. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Samuelsen To: copyright@rootsweb.com Sent: 31 August, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [COPYRIGHT] Ancestry and Web pages Linda, You did NOT look further. Newspaperarchive.com is NOT included in Obituary Collection. If you will just go direct to that - you will find the list of lots of newspapers who have their own online obituaries available FREE ACCESS. I talked with my favorite newspaper publisher and she is having attorneys on this because she tried herself and was bamboozled by the statment telling her she need paid subscription to access HER OWN NEWSPAPER site. Her newspaper is NOT included in Historic Newspaper or even Newspaperarchive.com for that matter. Ancestry is using exact same tactic it tried with Internet Biographic Collection. Did you know you can access newspaperarchive.com through Godfrey Library for much lower fee? Not only that, better results, too. W. David Samuelsen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W. David Samuelsen > To: copyright@rootsweb.com > Sent: 31 August, 2007 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [COPYRIGHT] Ancestry and Web pages > > <snip>Now Ancestry is about to run afoul of the newspaper owners. - same > reasons! > > > David, > > You have mentioned the newspaper collections in several of your posts and > quite frankly I cannot understand your issue with these collections. The > Historical Newspapers clearly come from Newspaperarchive.com for which one > would have to pay $99 for an annual membership if using them directly. > The obituaries clearly come from Legacy.com and also a large number of the > obits they host require payment of $2.95 for one obit for 24 hours of use > - in other words - 1 day. > > Clearly Ancestry has agreements with both Legacy.com and > Newspaperarchive.com and this is what part of our subscription to Ancestry > pays for. > > The pages at Ancestry are clearly marked from where they come from. The > Historical papers view screen clearly is marked Newspaperarchive.com at > the lower left of the view screen and the images themselves also have > their name on them at the bottom of the page. > > The obituary pages, if one scrolls to the bottom of the webpage, it is > clearly stated "Powered by Legacy.com". > > Are you trying to say that we should get LESS for the cost of our > subscription to Ancestry? > > Linda > in Costa Rica > Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ > Monroe County, NY History > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COPYRIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COPYRIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
"W David Samuelsen" <dsam@sampubco.com> wrote: > Newspaperarchive.com is NOT included in Obituary Collection. If you will > just go direct to that - you will find the list of lots of newspapers who > have their own online obituaries available FREE ACCESS. Do you have any idea how many newspapers are in the U.S.? You can spend your time searching all of them to get free access. I'm going to pay Ancestry to do it for me. Besides, many - if not most - of them do not archive obituaries for any length of time. > I talked with my > favorite newspaper publisher and she is having attorneys on this because > she tried herself and was bamboozled by the statment telling her she need > paid subscription to access HER OWN NEWSPAPER site. Ah, but she could still look at it free at her own site, right? I just went and refreshed my memory about Ancestry's Obituary Collection and I was right: It contaians only abstracts. If I were your favorite publisher I would send you a bill for wasting her time and that of her lawyer. > Ancestry is using exact same tactic it tried with Internet Biographic > Collection. Now you are being silly. > Did you know you can access newspaperarchive.com through Godfrey > Library for much lower fee? Not only that, better results, too. I made my evaluation and apparently you have made yours. It this means you are not a subscriber to Ancestry, then you should stop complainging about it. That right is reserved for us paying sustomers. > W. David Samuelsen > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: W. David Samuelsen >> To: copyright@rootsweb.com >> Sent: 31 August, 2007 12:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [COPYRIGHT] Ancestry and Web pages >> >> <snip>Now Ancestry is about to run afoul of the newspaper owners. - same >> reasons! >> >> >> David, >> >> You have mentioned the newspaper collections in several of your posts and >> quite frankly I cannot understand your issue with these collections. The >> Historical Newspapers clearly come from Newspaperarchive.com for which >> one >> would have to pay $99 for an annual membership if using them directly. >> The obituaries clearly come from Legacy.com and also a large number of >> the >> obits they host require payment of $2.95 for one obit for 24 hours of use >> - in other words - 1 day. >> >> Clearly Ancestry has agreements with both Legacy.com and >> Newspaperarchive.com and this is what part of our subscription to >> Ancestry >> pays for. >> >> The pages at Ancestry are clearly marked from where they come from. The >> Historical papers view screen clearly is marked Newspaperarchive.com at >> the lower left of the view screen and the images themselves also have >> their name on them at the bottom of the page. >> >> The obituary pages, if one scrolls to the bottom of the webpage, it is >> clearly stated "Powered by Legacy.com". >> >> Are you trying to say that we should get LESS for the cost of our >> subscription to Ancestry? >> >> Linda >> in Costa Rica >> Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ >> Monroe County, NY History >> http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COPYRIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COPYRIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Plenty and I worked within USGenWeb Obits Project so I know what I am talking about. And you're way off base about the obits that are available FREE on newspaper sites. The BIG issue the newspaper publishers are having with Ancestry now - requiring paid access to THEIR COPYRIGHTED obituaries without paying the newspapers for the rights to copyrighted obits.(Newspapers guard their copyrighted articles very tight and far more zealous) Legacy.com has a lot of newspapers on line and access is free and easy to access. At least Legacy does NOT cache any obits. Mange for specific periods of time in accordance with contracts with the newspapers (usually 7 days, 30 days, 6 months or 1 year.) The line I draw is where Ancestry requires paid subscription for access to FREE sites that are OUTSIDE Ancestry. I'm not silly about the comment that Ancestry has EXACT same tactic they did with now-demise Internet Biographic Collection. I checked. Suggest you re-read latest message from Ancestry about the demise of Internet Biographic Collection and their future plan to do it right with consulting the free site owners. No timetime is given. The message is on Ancestry's blog site. David Samuelsen Richard A. Pence wrote: > "W David Samuelsen" <dsam@sampubco.com> wrote: > >> Newspaperarchive.com is NOT included in Obituary Collection. If you will >> just go direct to that - you will find the list of lots of newspapers who >> have their own online obituaries available FREE ACCESS. > > Do you have any idea how many newspapers are in the U.S.? You can spend your > time searching all of them to get free access. I'm going to pay Ancestry to > do it for me. Besides, many - if not most - of them do not archive > obituaries for any length of time. > >> I talked with my >> favorite newspaper publisher and she is having attorneys on this because >> she tried herself and was bamboozled by the statment telling her she need >> paid subscription to access HER OWN NEWSPAPER site. > > Ah, but she could still look at it free at her own site, right? > > I just went and refreshed my memory about Ancestry's Obituary Collection and > I was right: It contaians only abstracts. If I were your favorite publisher > I would send you a bill for wasting her time and that of her lawyer. > >> Ancestry is using exact same tactic it tried with Internet Biographic >> Collection. > > Now you are being silly. > >> Did you know you can access newspaperarchive.com through Godfrey >> Library for much lower fee? Not only that, better results, too. > > I made my evaluation and apparently you have made yours. It this means you > are not a subscriber to Ancestry, then you should stop complainging about > it. That right is reserved for us paying sustomers. > >> W. David Samuelsen >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: W. David Samuelsen >>> To: copyright@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: 31 August, 2007 12:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [COPYRIGHT] Ancestry and Web pages >>> >>> <snip>Now Ancestry is about to run afoul of the newspaper owners. - same >>> reasons! >>> >>> >>> David, >>> >>> You have mentioned the newspaper collections in several of your posts and >>> quite frankly I cannot understand your issue with these collections. The >>> Historical Newspapers clearly come from Newspaperarchive.com for which >>> one >>> would have to pay $99 for an annual membership if using them directly. >>> The obituaries clearly come from Legacy.com and also a large number of >>> the >>> obits they host require payment of $2.95 for one obit for 24 hours of use >>> - in other words - 1 day. >>> >>> Clearly Ancestry has agreements with both Legacy.com and >>> Newspaperarchive.com and this is what part of our subscription to >>> Ancestry >>> pays for. >>> >>> The pages at Ancestry are clearly marked from where they come from. The >>> Historical papers view screen clearly is marked Newspaperarchive.com at >>> the lower left of the view screen and the images themselves also have >>> their name on them at the bottom of the page. >>> >>> The obituary pages, if one scrolls to the bottom of the webpage, it is >>> clearly stated "Powered by Legacy.com". >>> >>> Are you trying to say that we should get LESS for the cost of our >>> subscription to Ancestry? >>> >>> Linda >>> in Costa Rica >>> Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ >>> Monroe County, NY History >>> http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COPYRIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COPYRIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COPYRIGHT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
"W. David Samuelsen" <dsam@sampubco.com> wrote: > Plenty and I worked within USGenWeb Obits Project so I know what I am > talking about. Plenty of what. David, in spite of your claim above, you never seem to know what you are talking about. > And you're way off base about the obits that are available FREE on > newspaper sites. The BIG issue the newspaper publishers are having with > Ancestry now - requiring paid access to THEIR COPYRIGHTED obituaries > without paying the newspapers for the rights to copyrighted > obits.(Newspapers guard their copyrighted articles very tight and far > more zealous) One more time, David. What the subscribers are paying for is the search. No one is forcing my to pay to see obituaries at a newspaper. I could spend all of my time going from newspaper to newspaper trying to find obitiuaries that might be of interest to me. Or I can subscribe to Ancestry.com and with one search that takes less than a second I can find out the same information. Noboyd is charging anything to see any "free" obituary. You do it your way - newspaper by newspaper and spend all day at it. I'll do it my way. I'll gladly pay Ancstry.com for a one-second search. And another "one more time": The obituary collection at Ancestry.com consists of abstrcts of the obituary. Citing the facts extracted from an obituary is not a violation of anyone's copyright. > The line I draw is where Ancestry requires paid subscription for access to FREE sites that are OUTSIDE Ancestry. A third "one more time," David: Ancestry is requiring no one to pay anything to access free information. You can go to any free site any time you can find it without paying a nickel to any filthy commercial company. Richard