I'm not researching either of these individuals but I've noticed the messages going back & forth regarding them. I think someone else brought up some messages that were posted a while ago by a Michael Copeland, and that brought to mind that I had seen those, too. They are on the Genealogy.com Message Board, for the Copeland Surname. I'm repeating one of his postings, but there are also a bunch of others which were exchanged by him and other posters at the time, which you might also want to take a look at. This message was #639, and can be located at Genealogy.com by going to the Copeland Surname Forum and either typing in 639, in the blank for message number, or by doing a search at the bottom of the page and typing in most of the title of the message, which will then bring up the thread. Co.,NC Posted by: Michael G.Copeland Date: April 30, 1999 at 17:55:43 In Reply to: Re: COPELAND,James 1780/90 Chatham Co.,NC by Hoyt O. Smith of 4256 This message is under the heading of James Copeland of Chatham County, NC. This James Copeland is documented in the book COPLEN/COPELAND and Allied Families of Virginia by Herman Coplen. James Copeland of Chatham, North Carolina was the son of James Copeland and wife Diana out of Chowen, North Carolina who descends off of the William Copeland line. This is an interesting book and you should take note that this James Copeland had a son named John who went to Ohio. Herman Copeland is a desc. of this John Copeland. My desc. is from another James Copeland who was living in east Tenn. who is not the same James Copeland who is in Chatham, North Carolina. My James is however a brother to the Nicholas Copeland and Josiah Copeland who are living in Chatham County,NC. James is living near his other brothers William Copeland and Joseph Copeland in Sullivan County, Tenn. Another brother Peter Copeland remained in Virginia in the 1780s. My James Copeland was married to Lydia Dill in 1769 in Salisbury, Rowan County, North Carolina. He had the following children: SARAH COPELAND (married Benjamin ELLIS), POLLY COPELAND (married Willis ELLIS - brother to Benjamin), LYDIA COPELAND (married John JOHNSON), NANCY JANE COPELAND (married Stephen LOFTIS), JOHN COPELAND (married Elizabeth WEST), WILLIAM COPELAND (married Polly Rebecca KING), JOSEPH COPELAND (married Susanna MAXWELL), RACHEL COPELAND ( married William HELMS and sometimes written Hellums and Hellams), and JAMES COPELAND ( married Cathertine GILLIS). James Copeland and wife Lydia Dill Copeland were in Madison County, Alabama in the Mississippi Terr. in 1811 when he took sick and died. All of his children except for James Copeland, Jr. had married and left home. James married after 1820 and he and his bride Catherine Gillis and Jameses mother( Lydia) went to Wayne County, Tenn. They remained there until their death and all three are buried in a family cemetery. John and Joseph Copeland and their wives were in South Carolina, went to Georgia, for awhile went to Wayne County, and moved possibly into Kentucky. William Copeland and his wife Polly Rebecca King Copeland went to Walker county, Georgia and had several kids. They are on the 1850 census. William died in 1854.Nancy Jane Copeland who married Stephen Loftis died in childbirth in 1798 and is buried in the Tyger Church in Greenville, South Carolina in an unmarked grave. Stephen Loftis left SC and went to Georgia and remarried. Lydia, Polly, and Rachel and their husbands went to Roane County, Tennessee. Sarah and her husband Benjamin Ellis went to Missouri and each lived well into their 90s. They and many of their children had large families and several generations are buried in the Ellis Family Cemetery. This is about all I can give you at this time. Hope this has been helpful./ Thanks for your interest/ Michael G. Copeland. Sources: NORTH CAROLINA LAND GRANTS IN TENNESSEE./ROWAN COUNTY, NC DEED ABSTRACTS/ JOHN DILL BIBLE, 1820./ JAMES COPELAND BIBLE/ CENSUS RECORDS 1790 SC, GREENVILLE, and 1850 CENSUS FOR WALKER COUNTY, GA./ PETITION FOR STATE OF FRANKLIN and LAND DEED RECORDS FOR SULLIVAN COUNTY, TN./ WIll of JAMES COPELAND dated 1811/ LAWSUIT CONTESTING JAMES COPELAND WILL/ CEMETERY RECORDS WAYNE COUNTY, TENN./ Many of these records have been published in book form, are on microfilm in Salt Lake city, or have been published in the Wayne County Historian- a county history and genealogy publication in Tennessee. My book entitled COPELAND, OUR BRANCH OF THE TREE is on microfilm in Salt Lake city. I will have a new book coming out in the summer of 2000 which will cover early Copeland history in England and Virginia, the migration of James Copeland and his family, and a brief history of each spouse family name mentioned above and a brief sketch of their genealogy. The DILL family is associated with the White family of the Mayflower and I will cover that as well. This book however is yet untitled and the cost and sale date will be announced next Spring in Everton's GENEALOGICAL HELPER. I will try to remember to put on a note on the genforum to announce when the book is ready for purchase./mgc. ============================ Deloris Williams