Hi Jim The Joseph Copland whose family appear in the 1881 census at Hillmorton is a distant relative of mine. (Half first cousin twice removed, according to my computer) He is Joseph Copland, born 6 January 1845 at Old Luce, Wigtownshire, Scotland, to James Copland and his wife Martha Jane McClymont. (Glenluce is a wee town in the parish of Old Luce) His age is therefore 5 years out, but as he was illiterate he might have had a wee problem with his counting as well. He was married 22 Jul 1873 at Dalmellington, Ayrshire, Scotland to Lizzie McClymont, who was his first cousin, being the daughter of Martha Jane McClymont's big brother Willie. Joseph and Lizzie also had a daughter Mary born 5 Apr 1874 Dalmellington, Ayrshire, Scotland, but she must have died young. Cheers Bill Copland Glasgow, Scotland > > > Does anyone recognize this particular COPELAND family? > Could SKS look up the following family in the 1891 British Census and please > let me know the details? I am not certain where they were living in 1891 as > like others of my family they seem to have moved around wherever work was > available. Looking at the established dates in my data it could have been > London or Essex or Co Durham or Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England > or ??? > > I am almost certain that the Joseph in the 1881 Census is my great > grandfather. When I looked at the 1901 British Census I got what appears to > be the same parents but a different family (see below). I know that Joseph, > Elizabeth, James and Harry in the 1901 census are my granduncles and grand > aunts. If the 1891 British Census shows some of the children from the 1881 > census [William; Martha; Mary; Margaret] and some from the 1901 census > [Joseph; Elizabeth; James; Harry(?)] then I would know that they were the > same family. On the other hand if it only showed children from the 1901 > census then that would be an answer too! (I sometime wonder if Joseph Snr > had two wives - the first one dying because an English aunt who has been a > great help never mentioned the children in the 1881 census with the > exception of Margaret who was her mother and my grandmother > > > > 1881 British Census > Dwelling: 5 School Str > Census Place: Hillmorton, Warwick, England > Source: FHL Film 1341735 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3080 Folio 19 > Page 1 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Joseph COPELAND M 31 M Wigtonsh Glen Luce, Scotland > Rel: Head > Occ: Blacksmith > Elizabeth COPELAND M 28 F Wigtonsh, Scotland > Rel: Wife > William COPELAND 5 M Ayrsh Ayr, Scotland > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Martha COPELAND 3 F Ayrsh N K, Scotland > Rel: Daur > Mary COPELAND 1 F Kilsby, Warwick, England > Rel: Daur > Margaret COPELAND 5 m F Hillmorton, Warwick, England > Rel: Daur > > 1901 England and Wales Census > Dwelling: Hisehope > Census Place: Muggleswick, N W Durham, England > Source: PRO Ref 13/4667 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Joseph COPELAND M 52 M Scotland > Rel: Head > Occ: Blacksmith > Elizabeth COPELAND M 49 F Scotland > Rel: Wife > Joseph COPELAND 18 M Yorks > Rel: Son > Occ: Railway E Stoker > Elizabeth COPELAND 17 F Durham > Rel: Daur > Occ: Dressmaker own account at home > James COPELAND 12 M Essex > Rel: Son > Occ: School > Harry COPELAND 10 M London > Rel: Son > Occ: School > > Jim > > > Jim and Bev Payne > New Zealand > [email protected] > > > Jim and Bev Payne > New Zealand > [email protected] > > > ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== > Jesse M. Lawrence is listowner for Copeland List <[email protected]> > You can view my Copeland file on Worldconnect, file name jmljr > Search my data base which is updated weekly and contains notes and sources > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jmljr > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >