You really put a new light on this line. Thank you for the information. Now, I have to go back and re-check everything. One thing that bothers me: is this the same line - it can't be - from Wm./Mary/Grace? Herman says that they were members of the group brought to the south bank of the Rappahannock River in Lancaster County, Virginia. Sir Thomas Luntsford was issued a land patent on 24 October 1650 for 3,423 acres and for the transport of 65 persons including William & Mary Copeland. That information comes from a book Herman cites: "Cavaliers & Pioneers" by Nell Marion Nugent, Volumes I, II & III, Genealogical Publishing Co., 1979 Let's start with that information and get some input from all of you, out there. Does anyone have a copy of that book? I wasn't gonna tell anyone but, am driving to Salt Lake City next week. Had not planned to work on my Copeland line. But, will take a list of the books that Herman cited to see if the library has them. What happens after that, I dunno. Can't check out the books and I'll be pinched for time. One more thing: The Copeland name & variations thereof, was found all over England & Scotland & even in Ireland. Herman mentions the Quaker Missionary's immigration (John) & David in Loudon Co. from Ireland & Joseph (birth in either VA or NC). But, there's no question that there were many others. Be comforted, for we are many. jean MacAonghais <a-celt@cox.net> wrote: My Crumley DNA project requires male participants. There may be projects requiring mitochondrial DNA, but I'm not familiar with them. Since it's common practice for a married woman to take her husband's family name in this country, mitochondrial DNA projects might not be too helpful to genealogists. I found Herman's book to be well researched and documented. Having said that, he made one assumption in my line. My line is well documented back to Peter Copeland b: c1728, Chowan Co., NC. This Peter disposed in a Carolina court in 1755 that "he came from Great Britain in 1743 and had not claimed his headright." Herman had connected this Peter as a son of William and Sarah (Champen) Copeland, who was listed as a Scottish merchant in Caroline Co., VA, in 1750. Herman assumed that "In 1743, Peter evidently returned from a visit to Scotland and England, perhaps to visit his Scotch relatives, since he deposed in a Caroline VA court in 1755...." I supposed Herman assumed this was a way Peter tried to acquire extra land. In any event, using the line as established by Herman, I applied for membership in the Order of Founders and Patriots. Their researcher didn't buy the assumption and, indeed, found another Peter who was William and Sarah's son, not my Peter. It would seem that Peter's statement that he "came from Great Britain in 1743" was likely correct. Perhaps his father and mother came with him, however I haven't been able to satisfactorily connect him to his parents. There was a ray of hope when I found one of Peter's grandsons, Baldwin Copeland, as an ancestor on the Copeland DNA project. Apparently that researcher has a dead end also, because there are no ancestors for Baldwin listed by him. Jerry Crumly Pensacola ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records- DNA project > Where did Herman go wrong? Is there proof? Help? > I've no Copeland males to do DNA - they all carry their father's name. Can > I do and mTDNA? > Fill me in, please!! > jean > > MacAonghais wrote: > That's a good point. I've worked on my Copeland line for many years, as my > mother was a Copeland. One of the DNA project participants has his line > back > to Baldwin Copeland, a brother of one of my ancestors. I know who his > father > and grandfather are, but after that there are various lines mixed together > with the same names. For a long time I assumed the Herman Coplen book had > it > correctly, but it was disproved by a researcher for the Order of Founders > and Patriots when I tried to join. I organized a DNA project for my own > family, and I recognize what a great tool it is if there are enough > participants. Sadly, we haven't been able to get nearly as many > participants > as the Copeland project. > > Jerry Crumly ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe from List Mode: mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" <jeaninnapa@sbcglobal.net> To: <COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland DNA project > You really put a new light on this line. Thank you for the information. > Now, I have to go back and re-check everything. One thing that bothers me: > is this the same line - it can't be - from Wm./Mary/Grace? Well, that's what Herman recorded. The OFP reseacher came up with a book, which he sent me copies of a few pages, entitled The Copeland Family of Moore County, NC. It's date is January 1984, authored by John W. Copeland, but without a publisher's page. In it the author documents that there were two Peter Copelands of about the same age, one who died in Caroline Co., VA, or Pittsylvania Co., VA around 1800, and one who died in Jackson Springs, NC around 1778. He shows that the Peter Copeland son of William and Sarah (Champen) was the one who moved to Jackson Springs, NC. MY Peter Copeland, however, was the Caroline County man, and his lineage is traced directly to me. He's the one who arrived from Great Britain in 1743. He and his brother were factors for their father who was a Scottish merchant. > Herman says that they were members of the group brought to the south bank > of the Rappahannock River in Lancaster County, Virginia. > Sir Thomas Luntsford was issued a land patent on 24 October 1650 for 3,423 > acres and for the transport of 65 persons including William & Mary > Copeland. > That information comes from a book Herman cites: > "Cavaliers & Pioneers" by Nell Marion Nugent, Volumes I, II & III, > Genealogical Publishing Co., 1979 > Let's start with that information and get some input from all of you, out > there. > Does anyone have a copy of that book? Well, not the entire book. But I have copies of the referenced pages. The info you cite is on page 200 of Volume I. In addition to confusion between the two Peter Copelands, there are more William Copelands as well whose lines are mixed up. A researcher once told me that digging back into old notes and research documents which you had filed away is like dating an ex wife: somewhat familiar but not very much fun. When I received the LARGE envelope of documents on my Copeland line from the Order of Founders and Patriots, I threw up my hands and filed them away. Tonight was the first time I have looked at them since Nov 2002. It was indeed somewhat familiar but no fun at all. Jerry Crumly