Thank you, Emma, for taking on this job until Julia can return. I am praying for all our family and friends who have been affected by these hurricanes. dotsicle

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Copeland, Andrews Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ikJ.2ACIB/1603 Message Board Post: Looking for the parents of Betsey Copeland, born abt 1804 in NC. She married Henry Mitchel in Orange Co NC on 27 May 1828. Henry died before 1850. Also looking for the father of Frances "Franky", James M, Benjamin, and Manly Copeland who were also born in NC. The father died before 1840 and the mother, "Sally", born abt 1809, appears in Orange Co NC in 1850 with her second husband Jones Powell and the 4 Copeland kids, whose ages are off a little..... Frances married Thomas Jefferson Andrews. John M married Susanna Andrews. Benjamin deserted from the Confederate Army in 1864 and is not seen again. No info on Manly.

Hi list , i am looking for any COPELAND's that lived in the Salford area ( Lancashire, manchester) from the early 1900's to the late present. Some of my COPELAND's that i know about are - Charles ( or Charley ) Tommy, Margaret , Donald , . My Grandfather James COPELAND was married twice , once to Elizabeth ROE in 1901 and allso to Alice DIGGLE ( formerly RICHARDSON ) in 1929. I would appreciate in input at all. Regards Barry.

No Jean I am not related to Herman. I just heard about the book and thought it would help. I never could connect with those in the book. Maybe someday! Sorry they didn't have any more copies. Cathy Coplen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" <jeaninnapa@sbcglobal.net> To: <COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records > Thanx Cathy. Are you related to Herman? I guessed at the date of his > death - poor memory. I had been searching in our library for some way to > connect to him when someone checked the vitals and told me he had died. > The address I had was, I think, in Shingle Springs - Sierra foothills. > I'll be passing thru Sacto on my way to SLC on Monday, maybe I can get a > real copy of Herman's book. The machine copied book I have does me fine > and I can scribble in it, if I desire. > I've made no effort to look thru the branches that are not mine. I stopped > at my great grandmother- she was the last Copeland in our family. Her > brother was killed in the Civil War, along with a cousin. She, Ursula, is > buried in Hollywood - Los Angeles - with her husband, George Wesley > Bechdolt, and some of her children. > Will try to contact Betty. Finding Phil might be a daunting task. > Thanx again, > jean > > Cathy Coplen <ccoplen@gte.net> wrote: > Jean, > Herman Coplen died in 1992. I bought the book from his wife. Her address > in > 1994 was > Betty Coplen > 7815 Shimmer River Lane > Citrus Heights CA 95610 > > She told me at that time she had about 15 left. She also told me her step > son Phil had about 30 left. At that time Phil was living in Dallas Texas. > She said he worked for IBM and moved alot. I don't know if Betty is still > living or where Phil is now. She did tell me Herman is not mentioned in > the > book. He only listed his father who was also Herman. If you can find Betty > or Phil you might be able to get a copy. She was selling them for $20.00 > at > that time. > Cathy Coplen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Mattox" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records > > >> Eddie, I'm sorry. I"ve not been able to get a copy of Herman's book, for >> myself. Our local gen. library has a copy, thanx to the California Gen. >> Society that had an extra. Ohio Gen. Society has a copy and they will >> lend >> books to members - by mail. >> Herman died in the early 1990s and I've been unable to find his family up >> in the Sierra foothills. His book was self-published and, as far as I >> know, there are no more. My copy is a Xerox of his book that I did on our >> library's copy machine. What a task! But, I had it spiral bound and it's >> been very useful. >> I have one other source: William Copeland. He has been collecting all >> Copeland info for years. But, I've not heard from Bill for a long time >> and >> he was not well the last time I contacted him. >> >> You mentioned proof, I believe. I'm trying to be very careful about what >> I >> say. I have lots of info but most of it has come from others. I've not >> dug >> into that family prior to the Civil War. So, I'm offering help for those >> who would like to research and find proof on their own. >> Unfortunately, I have a "Tree" somewhere on the internet - done ages ago. >> I can't find it! Do you believe that? But, I did qualify my tree as >> information that needed to be researched by the reader. Hope that helps. >> jean >> >> Eddie Davis wrote: >> Thank you for the data -- the Copelands are a "new" branch that I'm >> researching, though I have researched Hezekiah Lasater that Elizabeth >> Copeland married. Ancestry.com , while a great genealogy site, often >> has conflicting genealogies and that was the case with the James >> Copeland line. One person gets a Gedcom of some research and then puts >> it on-line as their line without checking sources. The Nicholas >> Copeland line was not sourced, but the James and Diana line seemed to >> have slightly more data. My gut feeling from about 15 years of research >> was that the James and Diana line was probably correct, but I wanted to >> be sure. Is Mr. Coplen's book still in print, and if so, how much is it? >> >> Eddie Davis >> Ec21davis@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> >> Jean Mattox wrote: >> >>>Note to all::I've been using Herman Coplen's book as reference and a >>>guide >>>to research. He's done a terrific job of extensive research. >>>He begins with Wm./Mary/Grace as immigrants to Virginia. >>>According to HC, Wm. & Grace had two sons born in Virginia. He only >>>traces >>>William (Jr.) and neglects one other son, John, born in VA C1669. Why, I >>>don't know.........I haven't dug that deep, there. >>>William (Jr.) m. Christian (no surname). They had: >>>Grace, William (III), John, James, Charles (Sr.), Christian, Sarah....all >>>born in Virginia. Some died in NC. >>> >>>Going with James: he married a Diana (no surname). They had, in NC, >>>William, John, James, Mary >>> >>>Staying with James s/o James above, he m. Elizabeth (no surname). He was >>>b. in Chowan Co. & d. Chatham Co in NC. >>>James & Elizabeth had: >>>John, Daniel, James, Lillah, Silvy, Liddy, Elizabeth, Franky, Susannah, >>>Sally, Dolly, David, Anne, Cleo. >>> >>>That's the end of Herman's interest in any of the Copelands named James. >>>I >>>had not noticed it when I went thru his book. My line descends thru the >>>Johns, from there. I was fortunate that Herman traced the Copeland line >>>sufficiently for me to find my paternal greatgrandmother, Ursula Copeland >>>Bechdolt, b. in OH & died in Los Angeles. >>> >>>PS Herman lists no one by the name of Nicholas, in his index of >>>Copelands. >>>Sounds like that was another bunch of immigrants to our country. There's >>>a >>>line that came from Loudon Co. in VA. And, apparently, some entered the >>>US >>>thru PA. >>>>From VA, to Chowan and Chatham in NC was a common "path". Herman claims >>>>that the branch I came from moved out of NC into OH to leave a >>>>slave-holding state. Also, One of the brides was a Quaker and ostrazised >>>>for leaving her faith......stories, stories, stories. We all have them. >>>Herman's book has some not too great fotos - I'm working from a zerox >>>copy >>>of his book. It's unavailable. He had it printed, himself, and he has >>>since died. Been unable to locate his family. >>>jean >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>MacAonghais wrote: >>>There are several Copelands with the same first names and almost the same >>>ages in that area. They're probably all first cousins, named after some >>>paternal grandfather. My line is mixed up in them, too. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Nancy Jones" >>>To: >>>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:43 PM >>>Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I am hoping someone can answer your question too, >>>>cousin. I descend from James Jr Copeland and Elizabeth >>>>Johnston's son Daniel (this is one of my 2 Copeland >>>>lines). I have seen the online discrepancy and I >>>>believe some researchers have mixed up two of the >>>>several Nicholas Copelands. >>>>Nancy Jones >>>> >>>> >>>>dotsicle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== >>>To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>>To unsubscribe from List Mode: >>>mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>>To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: >>>mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>>AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com >>>(In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe >>>in the body of the message. >>> >>>============================== >>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"If you come to a fork in the road, take it." >>>Yogi Berra >>> >>> >>> >>>==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== >>>To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>>To unsubscribe from List Mode: >>>mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>>To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: >>>mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>>AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com >>>(In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe >>>in the body of the message. >>> >>>============================== >>>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Sue I have a Sarah Ratcliff m. to Joseph Hinshaw whose daughter, Eleanor married into my Sinclair line. Also: Margaret E., 1841-1899 - d/o Joseph & Mary ann English Copeland? jean bbm34 <bbm34@prodigy.net> wrote: As far as I can tell, my Copeland family does not relate to those in the Coplen book. I gave the names of my ancestors to Herman Coplen's son and according to him, they were not in the book. Mine are from the Copeland/Ratliff, Copeland/Taberer, Copeland/Woodley, Copeland/Lott, Copeland/Bilbrey line. Joel Josiah Copeland/Sarah Bilbrey had two sons - James and Richard - Richard's daughter, Mary Ann, married her cousin, Jefferson Copeland who was the son of James. Their daughter, Margaret Elizabeth Copeland is my great-grandmother. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" To: Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Coplen Book > thanx. I called Mrs. Coplen, also. She didn't give me her son's phone # > and I was unable to get it from information. But, obviously, it would have > been a waste of everybody's time. > Are you related to Herman? > I'll just have to get by with my machine copy > jean > > bbm34 wrote: > I spoke w Mrs Coplen and she does not have any more books. I also spoke > with her son and he said he also did not have any left. > > > ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe from List Mode: > mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: > mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com > (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe > in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." > Yogi Berra > > > > ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe from List Mode: > mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: > mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com > (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe > in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe from List Mode: mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra

Ohio Gen. Soc. in Mansfield, OH has a lending library for its members. They will mail a book to any bona fide member and they have Herman's book. jean Cathy Coplen <ccoplen@gte.net> wrote: No Jean I am not related to Herman. I just heard about the book and thought it would help. I never could connect with those in the book. Maybe someday! Sorry they didn't have any more copies. Cathy Coplen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" To: Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records > Thanx Cathy. Are you related to Herman? I guessed at the date of his > death - poor memory. I had been searching in our library for some way to > connect to him when someone checked the vitals and told me he had died. > The address I had was, I think, in Shingle Springs - Sierra foothills. > I'll be passing thru Sacto on my way to SLC on Monday, maybe I can get a > real copy of Herman's book. The machine copied book I have does me fine > and I can scribble in it, if I desire. > I've made no effort to look thru the branches that are not mine. I stopped > at my great grandmother- she was the last Copeland in our family. Her > brother was killed in the Civil War, along with a cousin. She, Ursula, is > buried in Hollywood - Los Angeles - with her husband, George Wesley > Bechdolt, and some of her children. > Will try to contact Betty. Finding Phil might be a daunting task. > Thanx again, > jean > > Cathy Coplen wrote: > Jean, > Herman Coplen died in 1992. I bought the book from his wife. Her address > in > 1994 was > Betty Coplen > 7815 Shimmer River Lane > Citrus Heights CA 95610 > > She told me at that time she had about 15 left. She also told me her step > son Phil had about 30 left. At that time Phil was living in Dallas Texas. > She said he worked for IBM and moved alot. I don't know if Betty is still > living or where Phil is now. She did tell me Herman is not mentioned in > the > book. He only listed his father who was also Herman. If you can find Betty > or Phil you might be able to get a copy. She was selling them for $20.00 > at > that time. > Cathy Coplen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Mattox" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records > > >> Eddie, I'm sorry. I"ve not been able to get a copy of Herman's book, for >> myself. Our local gen. library has a copy, thanx to the California Gen. >> Society that had an extra. Ohio Gen. Society has a copy and they will >> lend >> books to members - by mail. >> Herman died in the early 1990s and I've been unable to find his family up >> in the Sierra foothills. His book was self-published and, as far as I >> know, there are no more. My copy is a Xerox of his book that I did on our >> library's copy machine. What a task! But, I had it spiral bound and it's >> been very useful. >> I have one other source: William Copeland. He has been collecting all >> Copeland info for years. But, I've not heard from Bill for a long time >> and >> he was not well the last time I contacted him. >> >> You mentioned proof, I believe. I'm trying to be very careful about what >> I >> say. I have lots of info but most of it has come from others. I've not >> dug >> into that family prior to the Civil War. So, I'm offering help for those >> who would like to research and find proof on their own. >> Unfortunately, I have a "Tree" somewhere on the internet - done ages ago. >> I can't find it! Do you believe that? But, I did qualify my tree as >> information that needed to be researched by the reader. Hope that helps. >> jean >> >> Eddie Davis wrote: >> Thank you for the data -- the Copelands are a "new" branch that I'm >> researching, though I have researched Hezekiah Lasater that Elizabeth >> Copeland married. Ancestry.com , while a great genealogy site, often >> has conflicting genealogies and that was the case with the James >> Copeland line. One person gets a Gedcom of some research and then puts >> it on-line as their line without checking sources. The Nicholas >> Copeland line was not sourced, but the James and Diana line seemed to >> have slightly more data. My gut feeling from about 15 years of research >> was that the James and Diana line was probably correct, but I wanted to >> be sure. Is Mr. Coplen's book still in print, and if so, how much is it? >> >> Eddie Davis >> Ec21davis@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> >> Jean Mattox wrote: >> >>>Note to all::I've been using Herman Coplen's book as reference and a >>>guide >>>to research. He's done a terrific job of extensive research. >>>He begins with Wm./Mary/Grace as immigrants to Virginia. >>>According to HC, Wm. & Grace had two sons born in Virginia. He only >>>traces >>>William (Jr.) and neglects one other son, John, born in VA C1669. Why, I >>>don't know.........I haven't dug that deep, there. >>>William (Jr.) m. Christian (no surname). They had: >>>Grace, William (III), John, James, Charles (Sr.), Christian, Sarah....all >>>born in Virginia. Some died in NC. >>> >>>Going with James: he married a Diana (no surname). They had, in NC, >>>William, John, James, Mary >>> >>>Staying with James s/o James above, he m. Elizabeth (no surname). He was >>>b. in Chowan Co. & d. Chatham Co in NC. >>>James & Elizabeth had: >>>John, Daniel, James, Lillah, Silvy, Liddy, Elizabeth, Franky, Susannah, >>>Sally, Dolly, David, Anne, Cleo. >>> >>>That's the end of Herman's interest in any of the Copelands named James. >>>I >>>had not noticed it when I went thru his book. My line descends thru the >>>Johns, from there. I was fortunate that Herman traced the Copeland line >>>sufficiently for me to find my paternal greatgrandmother, Ursula Copeland >>>Bechdolt, b. in OH & died in Los Angeles. >>> >>>PS Herman lists no one by the name of Nicholas, in his index of >>>Copelands. >>>Sounds like that was another bunch of immigrants to our country. There's >>>a >>>line that came from Loudon Co. in VA. And, apparently, some entered the >>>US >>>thru PA. >>>>From VA, to Chowan and Chatham in NC was a common "path". Herman claims >>>>that the branch I came from moved out of NC into OH to leave a >>>>slave-holding state. Also, One of the brides was a Quaker and ostrazised >>>>for leaving her faith......stories, stories, stories. We all have them. >>>Herman's book has some not too great fotos - I'm working from a zerox >>>copy >>>of his book. It's unavailable. He had it printed, himself, and he has >>>since died. Been unable to locate his family. >>>jean >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>MacAonghais wrote: >>>There are several Copelands with the same first names and almost the same >>>ages in that area. They're probably all first cousins, named after some >>>paternal grandfather. My line is mixed up in them, too. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Nancy Jones" >>>To: >>>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:43 PM >>>Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I am hoping someone can answer your question too, >>>>cousin. I descend from James Jr Copeland and Elizabeth >>>>Johnston's son Daniel (this is one of my 2 Copeland >>>>lines). I have seen the online discrepancy and I >>>>believe some researchers have mixed up two of the >>>>several Nicholas Copelands. >>>>Nancy Jones >>>> >>>> >>>>dotsicle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== >>>To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>>To unsubscribe from List Mode: >>>mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>>To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: >>>mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>>AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com >>>(In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe >>>in the body of the message. >>> >>>============================== >>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"If you come to a fork in the road, take it." >>>Yogi Berra >>> >>> >>> >>>==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== >>>To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>>To unsubscribe from List Mode: >>>mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>>To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: >>>mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>>AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com >>>(In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe >>>in the body of the message. >>> >>>============================== >>>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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As far as I can tell, my Copeland family does not relate to those in the Coplen book. I gave the names of my ancestors to Herman Coplen's son and according to him, they were not in the book. Mine are from the Copeland/Ratliff, Copeland/Taberer, Copeland/Woodley, Copeland/Lott, Copeland/Bilbrey line. Joel Josiah Copeland/Sarah Bilbrey had two sons - James and Richard - Richard's daughter, Mary Ann, married her cousin, Jefferson Copeland who was the son of James. Their daughter, Margaret Elizabeth Copeland is my great-grandmother. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" <jeaninnapa@sbcglobal.net> To: <COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Coplen Book > thanx. I called Mrs. Coplen, also. She didn't give me her son's phone # > and I was unable to get it from information. But, obviously, it would have > been a waste of everybody's time. > Are you related to Herman? > I'll just have to get by with my machine copy > jean > > bbm34 <bbm34@prodigy.net> wrote: > I spoke w Mrs Coplen and she does not have any more books. I also spoke > with her son and he said he also did not have any left. > > > ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe from List Mode: > mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: > mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com > (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe > in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." > Yogi Berra > > > > ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe from List Mode: > mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: > mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com > (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe > in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

thanx. I called Mrs. Coplen, also. She didn't give me her son's phone # and I was unable to get it from information. But, obviously, it would have been a waste of everybody's time. Are you related to Herman? I'll just have to get by with my machine copy jean bbm34 <bbm34@prodigy.net> wrote: I spoke w Mrs Coplen and she does not have any more books. I also spoke with her son and he said he also did not have any left. ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe from List Mode: mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra

I spoke w Mrs Coplen and she does not have any more books. I also spoke with her son and he said he also did not have any left.

Jean, Herman Coplen died in 1992. I bought the book from his wife. Her address in 1994 was Betty Coplen 7815 Shimmer River Lane Citrus Heights CA 95610 She told me at that time she had about 15 left. She also told me her step son Phil had about 30 left. At that time Phil was living in Dallas Texas. She said he worked for IBM and moved alot. I don't know if Betty is still living or where Phil is now. She did tell me Herman is not mentioned in the book. He only listed his father who was also Herman. If you can find Betty or Phil you might be able to get a copy. She was selling them for $20.00 at that time. Cathy Coplen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" <jeaninnapa@sbcglobal.net> To: <COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records > Eddie, I'm sorry. I"ve not been able to get a copy of Herman's book, for > myself. Our local gen. library has a copy, thanx to the California Gen. > Society that had an extra. Ohio Gen. Society has a copy and they will lend > books to members - by mail. > Herman died in the early 1990s and I've been unable to find his family up > in the Sierra foothills. His book was self-published and, as far as I > know, there are no more. My copy is a Xerox of his book that I did on our > library's copy machine. What a task! But, I had it spiral bound and it's > been very useful. > I have one other source: William Copeland. He has been collecting all > Copeland info for years. But, I've not heard from Bill for a long time and > he was not well the last time I contacted him. > > You mentioned proof, I believe. I'm trying to be very careful about what I > say. I have lots of info but most of it has come from others. I've not dug > into that family prior to the Civil War. So, I'm offering help for those > who would like to research and find proof on their own. > Unfortunately, I have a "Tree" somewhere on the internet - done ages ago. > I can't find it! Do you believe that? But, I did qualify my tree as > information that needed to be researched by the reader. Hope that helps. > jean > > Eddie Davis <ec21davis@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thank you for the data -- the Copelands are a "new" branch that I'm > researching, though I have researched Hezekiah Lasater that Elizabeth > Copeland married. Ancestry.com , while a great genealogy site, often > has conflicting genealogies and that was the case with the James > Copeland line. One person gets a Gedcom of some research and then puts > it on-line as their line without checking sources. The Nicholas > Copeland line was not sourced, but the James and Diana line seemed to > have slightly more data. My gut feeling from about 15 years of research > was that the James and Diana line was probably correct, but I wanted to > be sure. Is Mr. Coplen's book still in print, and if so, how much is it? > > Eddie Davis > Ec21davis@sbcglobal.net > > > > Jean Mattox wrote: > >>Note to all::I've been using Herman Coplen's book as reference and a guide >>to research. He's done a terrific job of extensive research. >>He begins with Wm./Mary/Grace as immigrants to Virginia. >>According to HC, Wm. & Grace had two sons born in Virginia. He only traces >>William (Jr.) and neglects one other son, John, born in VA C1669. Why, I >>don't know.........I haven't dug that deep, there. >>William (Jr.) m. Christian (no surname). They had: >>Grace, William (III), John, James, Charles (Sr.), Christian, Sarah....all >>born in Virginia. Some died in NC. >> >>Going with James: he married a Diana (no surname). They had, in NC, >>William, John, James, Mary >> >>Staying with James s/o James above, he m. Elizabeth (no surname). He was >>b. in Chowan Co. & d. Chatham Co in NC. >>James & Elizabeth had: >>John, Daniel, James, Lillah, Silvy, Liddy, Elizabeth, Franky, Susannah, >>Sally, Dolly, David, Anne, Cleo. >> >>That's the end of Herman's interest in any of the Copelands named James. I >>had not noticed it when I went thru his book. My line descends thru the >>Johns, from there. I was fortunate that Herman traced the Copeland line >>sufficiently for me to find my paternal greatgrandmother, Ursula Copeland >>Bechdolt, b. in OH & died in Los Angeles. >> >>PS Herman lists no one by the name of Nicholas, in his index of Copelands. >>Sounds like that was another bunch of immigrants to our country. There's a >>line that came from Loudon Co. in VA. And, apparently, some entered the US >>thru PA. >>>From VA, to Chowan and Chatham in NC was a common "path". Herman claims >>>that the branch I came from moved out of NC into OH to leave a >>>slave-holding state. Also, One of the brides was a Quaker and ostrazised >>>for leaving her faith......stories, stories, stories. We all have them. >>Herman's book has some not too great fotos - I'm working from a zerox copy >>of his book. It's unavailable. He had it printed, himself, and he has >>since died. Been unable to locate his family. >>jean >> >> >> >> >>MacAonghais wrote: >>There are several Copelands with the same first names and almost the same >>ages in that area. They're probably all first cousins, named after some >>paternal grandfather. My line is mixed up in them, too. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Nancy Jones" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:43 PM >>Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records >> >> >> >> >>>I am hoping someone can answer your question too, >>>cousin. I descend from James Jr Copeland and Elizabeth >>>Johnston's son Daniel (this is one of my 2 Copeland >>>lines). 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Checked the SSDI and she's not listed there. Called 411 and got a phone #. It's not yet 0900, so I'll wait a little. Since it's Saturday, I don't wanna call too early. Can't tell you how neat your info is.......... jean Cathy Coplen <ccoplen@gte.net> wrote: Jean, Herman Coplen died in 1992. I bought the book from his wife. Her address in 1994 was Betty Coplen 7815 Shimmer River Lane Citrus Heights CA 95610 She told me at that time she had about 15 left. She also told me her step son Phil had about 30 left. At that time Phil was living in Dallas Texas. She said he worked for IBM and moved alot. I don't know if Betty is still living or where Phil is now. She did tell me Herman is not mentioned in the book. He only listed his father who was also Herman. If you can find Betty or Phil you might be able to get a copy. She was selling them for $20.00 at that time. Cathy Coplen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records > Eddie, I'm sorry. I"ve not been able to get a copy of Herman's book, for > myself. Our local gen. library has a copy, thanx to the California Gen. > Society that had an extra. Ohio Gen. Society has a copy and they will lend > books to members - by mail. > Herman died in the early 1990s and I've been unable to find his family up > in the Sierra foothills. His book was self-published and, as far as I > know, there are no more. My copy is a Xerox of his book that I did on our > library's copy machine. What a task! But, I had it spiral bound and it's > been very useful. > I have one other source: William Copeland. He has been collecting all > Copeland info for years. But, I've not heard from Bill for a long time and > he was not well the last time I contacted him. > > You mentioned proof, I believe. I'm trying to be very careful about what I > say. I have lots of info but most of it has come from others. I've not dug > into that family prior to the Civil War. So, I'm offering help for those > who would like to research and find proof on their own. > Unfortunately, I have a "Tree" somewhere on the internet - done ages ago. > I can't find it! Do you believe that? But, I did qualify my tree as > information that needed to be researched by the reader. Hope that helps. > jean > > Eddie Davis wrote: > Thank you for the data -- the Copelands are a "new" branch that I'm > researching, though I have researched Hezekiah Lasater that Elizabeth > Copeland married. Ancestry.com , while a great genealogy site, often > has conflicting genealogies and that was the case with the James > Copeland line. One person gets a Gedcom of some research and then puts > it on-line as their line without checking sources. The Nicholas > Copeland line was not sourced, but the James and Diana line seemed to > have slightly more data. My gut feeling from about 15 years of research > was that the James and Diana line was probably correct, but I wanted to > be sure. Is Mr. Coplen's book still in print, and if so, how much is it? > > Eddie Davis > Ec21davis@sbcglobal.net > > > > Jean Mattox wrote: > >>Note to all::I've been using Herman Coplen's book as reference and a guide >>to research. He's done a terrific job of extensive research. >>He begins with Wm./Mary/Grace as immigrants to Virginia. >>According to HC, Wm. & Grace had two sons born in Virginia. He only traces >>William (Jr.) and neglects one other son, John, born in VA C1669. Why, I >>don't know.........I haven't dug that deep, there. >>William (Jr.) m. Christian (no surname). They had: >>Grace, William (III), John, James, Charles (Sr.), Christian, Sarah....all >>born in Virginia. Some died in NC. >> >>Going with James: he married a Diana (no surname). They had, in NC, >>William, John, James, Mary >> >>Staying with James s/o James above, he m. Elizabeth (no surname). He was >>b. in Chowan Co. & d. Chatham Co in NC. >>James & Elizabeth had: >>John, Daniel, James, Lillah, Silvy, Liddy, Elizabeth, Franky, Susannah, >>Sally, Dolly, David, Anne, Cleo. >> >>That's the end of Herman's interest in any of the Copelands named James. I >>had not noticed it when I went thru his book. My line descends thru the >>Johns, from there. I was fortunate that Herman traced the Copeland line >>sufficiently for me to find my paternal greatgrandmother, Ursula Copeland >>Bechdolt, b. in OH & died in Los Angeles. >> >>PS Herman lists no one by the name of Nicholas, in his index of Copelands. >>Sounds like that was another bunch of immigrants to our country. There's a >>line that came from Loudon Co. in VA. And, apparently, some entered the US >>thru PA. >>>From VA, to Chowan and Chatham in NC was a common "path". Herman claims >>>that the branch I came from moved out of NC into OH to leave a >>>slave-holding state. Also, One of the brides was a Quaker and ostrazised >>>for leaving her faith......stories, stories, stories. We all have them. >>Herman's book has some not too great fotos - I'm working from a zerox copy >>of his book. It's unavailable. He had it printed, himself, and he has >>since died. Been unable to locate his family. >>jean >> >> >> >> >>MacAonghais wrote: >>There are several Copelands with the same first names and almost the same >>ages in that area. They're probably all first cousins, named after some >>paternal grandfather. My line is mixed up in them, too. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Nancy Jones" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:43 PM >>Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records >> >> >> >> >>>I am hoping someone can answer your question too, >>>cousin. I descend from James Jr Copeland and Elizabeth >>>Johnston's son Daniel (this is one of my 2 Copeland >>>lines). I have seen the online discrepancy and I >>>believe some researchers have mixed up two of the >>>several Nicholas Copelands. >>>Nancy Jones >>> >>> >>>dotsicle >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== >>To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com >> >>To unsubscribe from List Mode: >>mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >> >>To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: >>mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >> >>AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com >>(In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe >>in the body of the message. >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. 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Thanx Cathy. Are you related to Herman? I guessed at the date of his death - poor memory. I had been searching in our library for some way to connect to him when someone checked the vitals and told me he had died. The address I had was, I think, in Shingle Springs - Sierra foothills. I'll be passing thru Sacto on my way to SLC on Monday, maybe I can get a real copy of Herman's book. The machine copied book I have does me fine and I can scribble in it, if I desire. I've made no effort to look thru the branches that are not mine. I stopped at my great grandmother- she was the last Copeland in our family. Her brother was killed in the Civil War, along with a cousin. She, Ursula, is buried in Hollywood - Los Angeles - with her husband, George Wesley Bechdolt, and some of her children. Will try to contact Betty. Finding Phil might be a daunting task. Thanx again, jean Cathy Coplen <ccoplen@gte.net> wrote: Jean, Herman Coplen died in 1992. I bought the book from his wife. Her address in 1994 was Betty Coplen 7815 Shimmer River Lane Citrus Heights CA 95610 She told me at that time she had about 15 left. She also told me her step son Phil had about 30 left. At that time Phil was living in Dallas Texas. She said he worked for IBM and moved alot. I don't know if Betty is still living or where Phil is now. She did tell me Herman is not mentioned in the book. He only listed his father who was also Herman. If you can find Betty or Phil you might be able to get a copy. She was selling them for $20.00 at that time. Cathy Coplen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records > Eddie, I'm sorry. I"ve not been able to get a copy of Herman's book, for > myself. Our local gen. library has a copy, thanx to the California Gen. > Society that had an extra. Ohio Gen. Society has a copy and they will lend > books to members - by mail. > Herman died in the early 1990s and I've been unable to find his family up > in the Sierra foothills. His book was self-published and, as far as I > know, there are no more. My copy is a Xerox of his book that I did on our > library's copy machine. What a task! But, I had it spiral bound and it's > been very useful. > I have one other source: William Copeland. He has been collecting all > Copeland info for years. But, I've not heard from Bill for a long time and > he was not well the last time I contacted him. > > You mentioned proof, I believe. I'm trying to be very careful about what I > say. I have lots of info but most of it has come from others. I've not dug > into that family prior to the Civil War. So, I'm offering help for those > who would like to research and find proof on their own. > Unfortunately, I have a "Tree" somewhere on the internet - done ages ago. > I can't find it! Do you believe that? But, I did qualify my tree as > information that needed to be researched by the reader. Hope that helps. > jean > > Eddie Davis wrote: > Thank you for the data -- the Copelands are a "new" branch that I'm > researching, though I have researched Hezekiah Lasater that Elizabeth > Copeland married. Ancestry.com , while a great genealogy site, often > has conflicting genealogies and that was the case with the James > Copeland line. One person gets a Gedcom of some research and then puts > it on-line as their line without checking sources. The Nicholas > Copeland line was not sourced, but the James and Diana line seemed to > have slightly more data. My gut feeling from about 15 years of research > was that the James and Diana line was probably correct, but I wanted to > be sure. Is Mr. Coplen's book still in print, and if so, how much is it? > > Eddie Davis > Ec21davis@sbcglobal.net > > > > Jean Mattox wrote: > >>Note to all::I've been using Herman Coplen's book as reference and a guide >>to research. He's done a terrific job of extensive research. >>He begins with Wm./Mary/Grace as immigrants to Virginia. >>According to HC, Wm. & Grace had two sons born in Virginia. He only traces >>William (Jr.) and neglects one other son, John, born in VA C1669. Why, I >>don't know.........I haven't dug that deep, there. >>William (Jr.) m. Christian (no surname). They had: >>Grace, William (III), John, James, Charles (Sr.), Christian, Sarah....all >>born in Virginia. Some died in NC. >> >>Going with James: he married a Diana (no surname). They had, in NC, >>William, John, James, Mary >> >>Staying with James s/o James above, he m. Elizabeth (no surname). He was >>b. in Chowan Co. & d. Chatham Co in NC. >>James & Elizabeth had: >>John, Daniel, James, Lillah, Silvy, Liddy, Elizabeth, Franky, Susannah, >>Sally, Dolly, David, Anne, Cleo. >> >>That's the end of Herman's interest in any of the Copelands named James. I >>had not noticed it when I went thru his book. My line descends thru the >>Johns, from there. I was fortunate that Herman traced the Copeland line >>sufficiently for me to find my paternal greatgrandmother, Ursula Copeland >>Bechdolt, b. in OH & died in Los Angeles. >> >>PS Herman lists no one by the name of Nicholas, in his index of Copelands. >>Sounds like that was another bunch of immigrants to our country. There's a >>line that came from Loudon Co. in VA. And, apparently, some entered the US >>thru PA. >>>From VA, to Chowan and Chatham in NC was a common "path". Herman claims >>>that the branch I came from moved out of NC into OH to leave a >>>slave-holding state. Also, One of the brides was a Quaker and ostrazised >>>for leaving her faith......stories, stories, stories. We all have them. >>Herman's book has some not too great fotos - I'm working from a zerox copy >>of his book. It's unavailable. He had it printed, himself, and he has >>since died. Been unable to locate his family. >>jean >> >> >> >> >>MacAonghais wrote: >>There are several Copelands with the same first names and almost the same >>ages in that area. They're probably all first cousins, named after some >>paternal grandfather. My line is mixed up in them, too. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Nancy Jones" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:43 PM >>Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland land records >> >> >> >> >>>I am hoping someone can answer your question too, >>>cousin. I descend from James Jr Copeland and Elizabeth >>>Johnston's son Daniel (this is one of my 2 Copeland >>>lines). 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Jerry, I hope you're right. But, Herman's references were from personal contact with other researcers of a branch of the Copelands. There were books, also. Some of which were yet to be printed. So much to check into. jean MacAonghais <a-celt@cox.net> wrote: I think Herman's references are all correct. We've all made his mistake at least once in our research, finding a person who seems to fit and then trying to find the documentation to make it true. In the case of Peter Copeland, there were two about the same age, so Herman assumed Peter was lying about immigrating from Great Britain. I've got numerous reference documents, Xerox copies of the original books. If you can't find a particular reference let me know and I'll see if I have it. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" To: Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Peter Copelands >I will just have to take Herman's reference list with me to SLC. Some of >those books may be on the shelves there. > Wish me luck. > jean ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe from List Mode: mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra

Thanx, Barbara. I'm hoping to have the time to look up the book and all the others on my list. But, as I cautioned, the German side of my family is in need of deep research. jean BWGood@aol.com wrote: For the person going to Salt Lake, here is the reference to the book by Michael G. Copeland: COPELAND, OUR BRANCH OF THE TREE written by: Michael G. Copeland, Francine Sullivan Copeland, Marjorie Lewis Young, and Connie Copeland Young Book written in 1992. There are no available copies for purchase; however, it is on microfilm at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, UT., Dallas Public Library, Dallas, Texas; Library of Congress, Washington, DC. Copies are in the County Libraries in Wayne and Hardin County. ..............................................MGC. Barbara ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe from List Mode: mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra

For the person going to Salt Lake, here is the reference to the book by Michael G. Copeland: COPELAND, OUR BRANCH OF THE TREE written by: Michael G. Copeland, Francine Sullivan Copeland, Marjorie Lewis Young, and Connie Copeland Young Book written in 1992. There are no available copies for purchase; however, it is on microfilm at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, UT., Dallas Public Library, Dallas, Texas; Library of Congress, Washington, DC. Copies are in the County Libraries in Wayne and Hardin County. ..............................................MGC. Barbara

In a message dated 9/15/05 12:36:05 PM, bbm34@prodigy.net writes: > I have never heard that Nicholas Copeland was "killed."  What was the cause > of his death?  Also did not know that he was a surveyor. > I received the following summary from a researcher of Nicholas Copeland. I am sure if we look at court records, we could uncover the item about Nicholas dying before his court appearance. It does not say he was killed, but that he had died before the Fall term of the court in 1742. He was living in April 1742 when he signed two deed transfers. ****** By 1721, much of Essex was divided into three additional counties. These were: Spotsylvania County in 1721 which then changed in 1734 into ORANGE COUNTY. This is where Nicholas Copeland died as a Surveyor of the Court in 1742. His death is documented only because he was to appear in court as the court appointed surveyor to give a written description of disputed land that was the focus of a lawsuit. His two assistant surveyors presented the material requested by the court and note that Nicholas Copeland was not present nor signed the document in question since he had died prior to the Fall Term of Court, 1742. In 1728 a portion of the northern section of Essex county became known as CAROLINE COUNTY. Nicholas Copeland owned some land in this area which later went to his son Peter Copeland. From this I have surmised that Peter was the oldest son since he was the only one who did not leave Virginia and remained behind while the other sons left for new lands opening up in North Carolina. I offer this up to you to illustrate the man did not move any great distance. But from 1651 until 1734 the region fell under several different name and boundary changes. It may be even more confusing to know that Rappahannock County was made up of three smaller parishes, one of which was known as Sittenburne Parish, which is where Nicholas had his land, This parish changed its name into two parishes: St. Mary's parish and St. Anne's parish. It is in the St. Anne's parish in 1704 that Nicholas' land is then absorbed into the newly created Essex County which was formed in 1692 with not so clearly defined boundary lines. ****** Barbara

I think Herman's references are all correct. We've all made his mistake at least once in our research, finding a person who seems to fit and then trying to find the documentation to make it true. In the case of Peter Copeland, there were two about the same age, so Herman assumed Peter was lying about immigrating from Great Britain. I've got numerous reference documents, Xerox copies of the original books. If you can't find a particular reference let me know and I'll see if I have it. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" <jeaninnapa@sbcglobal.net> To: <COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Peter Copelands >I will just have to take Herman's reference list with me to SLC. Some of >those books may be on the shelves there. > Wish me luck. > jean

I will just have to take Herman's reference list with me to SLC. Some of those books may be on the shelves there. Wish me luck. jean MacAonghais <a-celt@cox.net> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Mattox" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [COPELAND] Copeland DNA project > You really put a new light on this line. Thank you for the information. > Now, I have to go back and re-check everything. One thing that bothers me: > is this the same line - it can't be - from Wm./Mary/Grace? Well, that's what Herman recorded. The OFP reseacher came up with a book, which he sent me copies of a few pages, entitled The Copeland Family of Moore County, NC. It's date is January 1984, authored by John W. Copeland, but without a publisher's page. In it the author documents that there were two Peter Copelands of about the same age, one who died in Caroline Co., VA, or Pittsylvania Co., VA around 1800, and one who died in Jackson Springs, NC around 1778. He shows that the Peter Copeland son of William and Sarah (Champen) was the one who moved to Jackson Springs, NC. MY Peter Copeland, however, was the Caroline County man, and his lineage is traced directly to me. He's the one who arrived from Great Britain in 1743. He and his brother were factors for their father who was a Scottish merchant. > Herman says that they were members of the group brought to the south bank > of the Rappahannock River in Lancaster County, Virginia. > Sir Thomas Luntsford was issued a land patent on 24 October 1650 for 3,423 > acres and for the transport of 65 persons including William & Mary > Copeland. > That information comes from a book Herman cites: > "Cavaliers & Pioneers" by Nell Marion Nugent, Volumes I, II & III, > Genealogical Publishing Co., 1979 > Let's start with that information and get some input from all of you, out > there. > Does anyone have a copy of that book? Well, not the entire book. But I have copies of the referenced pages. The info you cite is on page 200 of Volume I. In addition to confusion between the two Peter Copelands, there are more William Copelands as well whose lines are mixed up. A researcher once told me that digging back into old notes and research documents which you had filed away is like dating an ex wife: somewhat familiar but not very much fun. When I received the LARGE envelope of documents on my Copeland line from the Order of Founders and Patriots, I threw up my hands and filed them away. Tonight was the first time I have looked at them since Nov 2002. It was indeed somewhat familiar but no fun at all. Jerry Crumly ==== COPELAND Mailing List ==== To contact the List Admin: mailto:COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe from List Mode: mailto:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe To unsubscribe in Digest Mode: mailto:COPELAND-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe AOL USERS: Send an email to:COPELAND-L-request@rootsweb.com (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra

Hi list , is there anybody researching the name COPELAND from the salford ( manchester ) area . Regards Barry.

In a message dated 9/15/05 8:37:20 AM, dotsicle5@sbcglobal.net writes: > JAMES COPELAND was born in 1742 in Virginia and was > the last son born to NICHOLAS COPELAND and wife NANCY > LOTT. He was born in the year of his father's death. > His father was a surveyor and was killed before > providing his survey to the court in regards to a > legal battle over some contested land. It was at this > time that the Copelands and children appear in North > Carolina. > I remember now we discussed this before. I have a different Nicholas Copeland who died in 1742 and was surveyor. He was married to Dorothy Ripley. There is a land deed in 1725 with Dorothy clearly named as his wife. The land he was selling he inherited from his grandfather, Nicholas Copeland, who died in 1721. Land deeds verify this. I have James as his son who married Lydia Dill. Nicholas was in several court documents along with a William Copeland, who was probably his brother. This would account for the William in the record of "James' uncle William Copeland". My best assumption as to why there are two different family lines for Nicholas, assuming we are dealing with the same person, is that Dorothy may have died and he married a second time to Nancy Lott. Does anyone have any legal record of a Nicholas Copeland married to Nancy? The pedigree in the DNA project that has Nicholas Copeland who married Nancy Lott as a descendant of Joseph Copeland of Isle of Wight is a DNA match to Reuben Copeland in the DNA project, who is a descendant of Nicholas Copeland of Old Rappahannock and Essex Co., and of Nicholas Copeland and Dorothy Ripley. This DNA match could be accounted for if the pedigree back to Joseph Copeland is incorrect, or that both families of Copeland descend from a common ancestor. I don't care which one of these is correct, but it would be very helpful to know if all these Copelands were descended from a common ancestor in England as it might help lead to the early ancestry of both John Copeland of Isle of Wight and Nicholas Copeland of Essex Co. To determine this, we would need a direct male descendant of another son of John Copeland and Sarah Ratcliff of Isle of Wight to participate in the DNA testing. I don't know if his son William has descendants. Maybe someone else does know. When Thomas Taberer made his will in 1693 he only names one grandson with the Copeland name, his grandson Joseph Copeland who was named executor of his will. So I am assuming that Joseph did not have male siblings living at that time. William Copeland of the Mary and Grace saga, also needs a descendant to be tested in the DNA project to fill in the other missing link. I don't see a pedigree that goes back to him and I wonder if there are male descendants who would be willing to participate in the DNA testing. Cheers, Barbara Good