This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ikJ.2ACIB/1175 Message Board Post: Hi, I'm looking for anyone out there who is related or knows of the distinguished Copeland family. Royal Copeland married Alice Davis about 1812,and they had 11 kids, all born in Maine. Their oldest son, Joseph, was a Michigan State Senator, Supreme Court Judge, and a Brigadier General during the Civil War. Their youngest son, Roscoe, had a son named Royal. This Royal Copeland was a United States Senator from New York.

I am looking for information on Robert Lee Powell and his wife, Ethel Coplen. Both were from Union Parish LA and were born in the 1880's. His parents were Leroy N Powell and Bertha Roberta Hamilton; and her parents were Demetrius Coplen and Susan Annie Moore. Robert's father did live in Brown Co TX with his third wife, Susan Holloman, at one time. It is possible that Robert and Ethel moved to California, in particular in the San Francisco Area. Their children were: i. ROBERT LAURENCE12 POWELL, b. April 15, 1908 ii. THOMAS MOORE POWELL, b. September 14, 1909 iii. IONE POWELL, b. April 26, 1911 iv. DORA LEE POWELL, b. February 08, 1913 v. JAMES GORDON POWELL, b. May 27, 1916 vi. SUSIE POWELL, b. December 17, 1918 Any help would be appreciated. Gaylon L Powell Austin TX

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Copeland Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ikJ.2ACIB/1139.3 Message Board Post: rvin, and his brother was William Laddie, I believe. Anyway, I will contact you asap if you can contact me. I have sent e-mails to 2 others who seem much more knowledgeable thank me.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ikJ.2ACIB/1002.1014.2 Message Board Post: Lillian I am from Nicholas Copeland and said to be from John of Dolphin Leigh. I have FTM and would appreciate it if you could send me what you have. Becky

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ikJ.2ACIB/1112.2 Message Board Post: Susan My Copelands come from Dolphin Leigh England. Is there a geographical connection here?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ikJ.2ACIB/175.254.1 Message Board Post: I know who you are talking about. I have researched this line and have a link to when they first came to Indiana - they married into the Abbott line. James is my daughters gggggpa. Her fathers names is also James.

Seeking information on my husband's ancestry. His g---grandmother was Julia Ann COPELAND, b: 11 Aug 1833 Oktibbeha Co., MS, married Samuel Winstead b: 1830 NC. Julia's parents were Martin Wiley Copeland and Rachael Caroline Evans. Julia had a sister named Mary that married Samuel's brother, John S. Winstead. Any information e-mail me at [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Copeland Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ikJ.2ACIB/1174 Message Board Post: Looking for info regarding William Cornelius Copeland, born May 2, 1869 in Corning, Clay Co. Arkansas and his father, Francis Newton Copeland, born Jan 9, 1839, birthplace unknown. Thanks for your help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ikJ.2ACIB/475.1 Message Board Post: Hi Tanya, would you have any Copelands that lived in Highland Park, Detroit MI. I'm trying to find the family of George and Sarah Copeland, they were listed as living there in the 1920 census. Sue

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ikJ.2ACIB/1098.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Bill, I sent you my information several years ago. Have you received any new information on our John Tyler Copeland?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ikJ.2ACIB/1173 Message Board Post: Looking for any info on a Thomas Copeland who married Nancy Keese. I believe they were in to Missouri area in the 1800's. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Copeland, Coupland Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ikJ.2ACIB/1137.1 Message Board Post: Hi, My ancestor William Copeland left Lincolnshire for Ann Arbour cir. 1850. His wife was Sarah Ann Morris. I don't know about son James, but he did have John & Joseph in 12 children. I live in Lincolnshire, England. Both William & Sarah are buried at Conway, Livingston, MI.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ikJ.2ACIB/1172 Message Board Post: Looking for information on a hanging in West Virginia. Names were Col. James Copeland, Issac Copeland and M. Copeland. Any bits and pieces may help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ikJ.2ACIB/1139.2 Message Board Post: My Great Aunt Nancy Copeland married Pinckey Copeland. I have all their children. They came to Texas. I have stop at Joseph Copeland also. He was born in N.C..

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Copeland McConnell McGuire Western Stroud McCarroll Thompson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ikJ.2ACIB/1171 Message Board Post: Hugh Henry Copeland was a farmer in Mariposa Twp., Victoria County, Ontario, Canada, during the 1850s and 1860s and probably also a member of an Orange Lodge. His wife was Rebecca McConnell (or McCarroll). Assume they were from northern Ireland, but not certain yet. Know very little of them and have not identified their ancestors. Some branches of this family later migrated to Michigan. Can anyone help? Would like to thank Diane Geyssen and Doug Mercer for much of the information on the following chart. *************************************************************** Descendants of Hugh Henry Copeland 1Hugh Henry Copeland + Rebecca McConnell (may be McCarroll) .2 Lucinda H. Copeland b: Nov 11, 1862 in Ontario, Canada ..+ James McGuire ...3 Susanna McGuire b: Jul 03, 1887 in Ontario, Canada d: Sep 01, 1973 in Colfax Twp., Huron County, Michigan ....+ Robert Frederick Mercer b: 1876 in Ontario, Canada d: 1948 m: Abt. 1905 in Huron County, Michigan ....* 2nd husband of Susanna McGuire: .....+ ??? Morrison ...3 Arthur McGuire ....+ Thelma McGhee? .2 Rebecca Copeland b: Abt. 1868 ..+ Benjamin McCarroll m: Mar 13, 1889 in Oakwood, Victoria County, Ontario, Canada .2 Abigail Jane "Abby" Copeland b: Sep 03, 1869 ..+ Amos H. Stroud m: Nov 02, 1892 in Mariposa Twp., Victoria County, Ontario, Canada .2 Alice Copeland b: Abt. 1857 ..+ Charles E. Western m: Nov 06, 1877 in Mariposa Twp., Victoria County, Ontario, Canada .2 Margaret Ellen "Maggie" Copeland b: Abt. 1865 ..+ John Wesley Douglas m: Feb 15, 1882 in Mariposa Twp., Victoria County, Ontario, Canada .2 John Dixon Copeland b: Abt. 1861 ..+ Elizabeth Ringland m: March 13, 1882 in Woodville, Victoria County, Ontario, Canada ...3 Esther Jane Copeland b: Nov 30, 1887 ....+ Bertram M. Thompson ...3 Alice R.A. Copeland b: 1890 ...3 Hugh Henry Copeland b: Oct 14, 1891 ...3 Robert James Copeland b: Sep 30, 1894 ...3 Elizabeth Sarah Copeland b: Apr 21, 1899 .2 Sarah Copeland b: Abt. 1855 ..+ Stephen Stroud Western m: Jun 06, 1876 in Oakwood, Victoria County, Ontario, Canada .2 Esther Copeland b: Abt. 1859

Need help in tracing my Copeland Family, I only have 3 generations, this is what I have. Robert G Copeland born July 1896 Chicago Ill, died February 1965 in Redlands CA. Married Ellen Lois Huston George G Copeland born Jan 1863 in Marathon, NY died February 1927 in Los Angeles, California. Married Sarah Ellen Gill Jacob/Larmen P Copeland born in Marathon, NY Unknown Birth and death dates. Married Amanda Carter also of Marathon, NY. Any help would be appreciated in searching my Ancestors. George

Margaret, I have traced my Copeland's back to Lurgen, County Armagh. They left Ireland with the "5 Boatload of Immigrants" in the early 1770's. They arrived in Charleston, SC and went upriver to the then frontier of York/Cherokee County, SC. I would be glad to share with you. tonie keith las vegas nv

In a message dated 3/9/2002 11:54:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Re: > HenrySimmonsWattsnKatePeeplesheadstones From: Bellinda Myrick - Barnett [email protected] List Administrator [email protected] List Administrator [email protected] List Administrator To: WATTS Newsletter group, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] [email protected], [email protected] [email protected], [email protected] [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Thanking you, in advance, for any assistance that you might be able to give regarding any of the information below which will help fill in some gaps for many of us researching these lines that married into each other with great frequency over the years. Please bear in mind that there may be pieces of incorrect information that could be in the following. If you find something that you know to be incorrect or missing information that fills the gaps, please let me know. Just noticed the name of PEEBLES in the WATTS information that was sent to the group list for the WATTS newsletter and wanted to see if anyone has any information on this family below. At this time, and thanks to recent JORDAN, PEEBLES, HERRINGTON information that was so kindly sent to me by JORDAN researcher, Lonnie KNIGHT, I have connected with some new information and I am writing most specifically regarding the information at the bottom of this email regarding the possible JORDAN connections that there might be for Rachel JORDAN, (my pat. 4th gr. grmthr.,) born: abt. 1750 in ?, prob. Virginia, and prob. in Richmond Co., Virginia, and I believe that she is related somehow to the William JORDAN that was in Richmond Co., Virginia in abt. 1734/35 and is mentioned in conjunction with the will of Mrs. Ann KELLY JENNINGS/Mrs. William JENNINGS, Jr., born: abt. 1696 in VA, poss. Richmond Co., (daughter of (Captain) John KELLY, born: abt. 1660 in ?/VA?, (son of Penelope ? and Matthew (1) KELLY, born: abt. 1640 in ?, (parents: ??, ) and Amy DONIPHAN, born: abt. 1662 in VA, (daughter of (Captain) Alexander DONIPHAN, born: abt. 1640 in Plymouth, Devonshire, England, (parents: ??,) and his 1st wife, Amie/Amy PARTRIDGE, (sister of Samuel PARTRIDGE, Sarah PARTRIDGE, Mary PARTRIDGE, and Elizabeth PARTRIDGE,) ((Capt.) Alexander "Alex" DONIPHAN married as his 2nd wife: Margaret MOTT, and as his 3rd wife, Susannah ?)) It is possible that Rachel JORDAN may possibly have had descendancy from a BAILEY/BAILY/ aka BAILLIE line, and there were several that married into the JORDAN lineage from 1600's VA through into the 1700's,) but this is speculation based on the name of her son whom is my paternal 3rd great grandfather, Bailey JENNINGS, born: abt. 1789 in VA, prob. Richmond Co., who married as his 1st wife, my pat. 3rd great grandmother, Kitty EARLE, born: abt. 1795 in VA, (daughter of Tabitha WILLIAMS, born: 1766 in North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., VA, and my paternal 4th great grandfather, Samuel EARLE, IV, (RS/Sgt.,) (2nd son of his name, Samuel, IV,) born: January 20, 1760 at "Town Run" Plantation, Fauquier Co., VA,) (appears to have settled Christian Co., KY with Moses McWATERS/WATERS, and Daniel BOONE and family,) and Rachel JORDAN's husband was John JENNINGS, Sr., (RS,) born: abt. 1748 in Richmond Co., Virginia, (in South Carolina during Revolutionary War and then relocated to Christian Co., KY,) son of Sarah MOORE/MORE? and Edward Salley JENNINGS, Sr., born: 1720 in Richmond Co., Virginia, (son of the aforementioned Ann KELLY and William JENNINGS, Jr..) And the aforementioned Mrs. Amy DONIPHAN KELLY married as her 2nd husband, Edward RANSDELL. William JENNINGS, Jr., born: abt. 1695 in Richmond Co., VA, died in 1733 in Richmond Co., VA, (son of Mary WILLOUGHBY and William JENNINGS, Sr., (son of Margaret PAYNE, (believed to be daughter of John PAYNE, Sr., immigrant, born: abt. 1615 in Yorkshire, England, immigrated to Rappahannock Co., VA,) and wife, Margaret/Margrett, believed to Margaret ROBINSON, daughter of Richard ROBINSON, early 1600's immigrant to Tidewater area of Virginia.) And Mrs. Margaret PAYNE JENNINGS married 2nd husband: Christopher EDRINGTON, Sr.. Upon the death of Mrs. Ann KELLY JENNINGS, only abt. a year after the death of her husband, William JENNINGS, Jr., (both dying in their mid-30's,) their children were placed under the guardianship of their uncles, Augustine JENNINGS, Matthew (2) KELLY, and Alexander Doniphan KELLY. And William JORDAN was mentioned at one point regarding the placement process of the children but I don't have know he relates to Rachel JORDAN yet. The aforementioned Augustine JENNINGS was married to Hannah WILLIAMS and Alexander Doniphan KELLY was a witness to her will so there may also be further connections between her family and the JORDAN family and her WILLIAMS family is somehow connected to the WILLIAMS - BALL - WASHINGTON family and any of those may or may not be connected to either/or my WILLIAMS families of the 1600's England > New England > Virginia, BILLINGTON - WILLIAMS lineage, or the 1600's England > New England > Virginia, PEMBERTON - WILLIAMS lineage. I am sending this over to the LOTTCircle list as well since the WATTS and so many others that connect to this lineage including my MYRICK, GRANTHAM, HERRINGTON/HARRINGTON, GRAVES, DICKENS, aka DICKINS, DICKSON, DICKERSON, PIERCE, HATTEN/HATTON, LIGHTFOOT and connecting BARLOW, etc. lines come into play here as well. (Not mentioning all of these names below at this time, however, to keep it as short as possible but there are numerous connections.) Some of the questions that we all have may not be answered until we start taking a much broader look at some of these 'missing pieces' due to the extreme amounts of intermarrying since before these families came to these shores mostly in the early to mid-1600's into Virginia, primarily, but with some coming into New England first and then into Virginia. The Phebe Jordan HERRINGTON, (see information at the bottom of this email for short family tree info,) who married Mark Columbus "Lum" JORDAN, (son of Peebles Columbus JORDAN and Charlotte WELDON,) was the daughter of Martha Jane BARLOW and James Madison "Matt" HERRINGTON, (son of Samuel HERRINGTON, (son of William HERRINGTON, Sr., born: bef. 1755 in Craven Co., North Carolina, who 2 X my 4th great grandfather, as the father of two of the brothers of Samuel HERRINGTON who are my paternal 3rd great grandfathers: (1.) William HERRINGTON, Jr., born: abt. 1794 in New Hanover Co., North Carolina, who married Cynthia "Sina" GRANTHAM, born: abt. 1800 in SC?/NC?, on the Robeson County, North Carolina and South Carolina border, (believed now to be the daughter of Elizabeth AMMONS, (daughter of Elizabeth PARKER, (trying to find out if she is related to my Jeremiah "Jerry" PARKER, born: 1795, and the PARKERs that married into the HERRINGTON lineage,) and John (2) AMMONS , of 1700's Robeson Co., NC,) and Richard GRANTHAM, Jr., son of Richard GRANTHAM, Sr.,) and Wm., Sr.'s 2nd son, (2.) Enoch HERRINGTON, born: abt. 1800 in New Hanover Co., NC, who married Harriet STUCKEY, born: abt. 1802 in AL, (whose sister, Jane STUCKEY, married a man named Jeremiah PIERCE whom I believe is a brother or cousin/nephew of my Elizabeth PIERCE, born: 1790 in 96th District, South Carolina, who married William MYRICK, parents of my 2nd great grandfather, William H. "Billy" MYRICK, born: 1827 in Jones County, (later Jasper Co.,) who married Phoebe Catherine HERRINGTON, born: April 1834 in MS, (daughter of the Cynthia "Sina" GRANTHAM and William HERRINGTON, Jr. shown above,) and their son, Calvin Pierce "Callie" MYRICK, born: 1858 in Jasper County, MS, married his 3rd cousin, Harriet Katherine "Hattie" HERRINGTON, aka HARRINGTON, born: 1868 in MS, Covington Co. prob., (daughter of my paternal 2nd great grandfather, Isham Daniel HERRINGTON, aka Isom Daniel HARRINGTON, born: Dec 1828 in Covington Co., MS, (son of Enoch HERRINGTON and Harriet STUCKEY above,) and 1st wife: Jane/Rebecca Jane DICKENS, aka DICKINS, (usually seen as Rebecca Jane DICKSON/DICKERSON,) born: 1828 in MS, (daughter of Catherine GRAVES, born: 1800/abt. 1800 in Georgia, (daughter of William W. GRAVES, born: 1769 in Georgia, died: 1850 in Covington Co. Mississippi, (after being in 1850 census,) and wife: Nancy ?, whose son, John GRAVES, born: 13 MAR 1800 in Georgia, and wife, Marian F. DICKENS, b: 6 AUG 1802/03 in Georgia?/Louisana?, who married 23 FEB 1819, and lived/died/buried in Covington Co., MS, (whose daughter was she? as I believe that she may be the sister of the DICKENS man, possibly David DICKENS, aka DICKINS, who married the aforementioned Catherine GRAVES, born: abt. 1800 in Georgia, sister of John GRAVES, and Catherine DICKINS, (aka DICKENS, aka Catherine GRAVES,) is listed as the head of the household in the 1850 Covington Co., MS census along with her father, William W. GRAVES, and her daughter, Jane DICKINS, born: 1828 in MS, (aka DICKENS, aka Rebecca Jane DICKENS, aka DICKSON/DICKERSON, who married Isham Daniel HERRINGTON, aka Isom Daniel HARRINGTON, who is found at the age of 19 years old in that same 1850 Covington Co., MS census just about 3 or 4 lines away in the household of John McCRANEY, aka McRANEY, whose McCRANEY/McRANEY family is married into the GRAVES-DICKENS, aka DICKINS family at least once with the Nancy Ann GRAVES, born: April 18, 1821, (daughter of John GRAVES and Marian(m)/Miriam(n) F. DICKENS,) who married Daniel McCRANEY, aka McRANEY, born: 1812, died: 1869. John GRAVES and Marian(m)/Miriam(n) DICKENS/DICKINS were the parents of a man named Alexander GRAVES, b. 1829 in Covington Co., MS, who married in 1870 in Covington Co., MS, to Edie Marcena HERRINGTON, sometimes seen as Edda/Etta/E. Marzenia HARRINGTON, etc., who was the daughter of Enoch HERRINGTON and Harriet STUCKEY and Marcena was the sister of my aforementioned paternal 2nd great grandfather, Isham Daniel HERRINGTON, aka Isom Daniel HARRINGTON, who married as his 1st wife: Jane/Rebecca Jane DICKENS, aka DICKINS, aka Rebecca Jane DICKSON/DICKERSON, born: 1828 in MS, (daughter of the aforementioned Mrs. Catherine GRAVES DICKENS/DICKINS, (sister of John GRAVES,) (children of Nancy ? and William W. GRAVES,) and ?David? DICKENS, aka DICKINS, (prob. brother or cousin? of the aforementioned Marian(m?/Miriam(n) DICKENS/DICKINS, but who are their parents? And Isham Daniel HERRINGTON/Isom Daniel HARRINGTON's 2nd wife was a woman named Mrs. Sarah E. COLEMAN. William W. GRAVES was the son of Mary COPELAND, born: 1732 in VA, (poss. dau of Stephen COPELAND,) and James GRAVES, born: 1730 in Culpeper Co., VA, died: 23 MAY 1796 in Lincoln Co., VA. I don't know where it might connect but, more than likely, this Mary COPELAND and father, Stephen COPELAND, connect to my COPELAND lineage in which I descend from Ripley COPELAND, Sr., (RS,) born: abt. 1765 in NC, and wife, Rachael TUCKER, born: abt. 1765 in NC, lived in Sumter Co., SC, through their daughter, Nancy COPELAND, who married Howell LEWIS, born: bet. 1782-1788 in Granville Co., North Carolina. Would like to know these COPELAND families connect. Mary COPELAND and James GRAVES were the parents of: (1.) James Richard Graves b: 1755 (2.) Robert Graves b: 1760 (3.) Thomas Graves b: 1762 (4.) Francis Graves b: 1763 d: 27 MAY 1837 (5.) Mary Graves b: 1764 d: 1815 (6.) Sarah Sally Graves b: 1765 (7.) Susanna Graves b: 1768 (8.) William W. Graves b: 1769 d: 1850 (9.) John W. Graves b: SEP 1770 d: 21 JAN 1858 William W. GRAVES and wife, Nancy ? were the parents of: [1.] Catherine Graves b: 1792 [2.] Humphrey Graves b: 1795 [3.] Lott Graves b: 1797 [4.] John Graves b: 13 MAR 1800 [5.] Middleton Graves b: 1803 [6.] William W. Graves b: 1810 John GRAVES and Marian F. DICKENS were the parents of: (1.) Nancy Ann GRAVES (2.) George W. McRANEY (3.) Eliza J. McRANEY (4.) Almeda Courtney McRANEY (5.) John C. McRANEY (6.) Martha Ann McRANEY (7.) Warren McRANEY (8.) Joseph McRANEY (9.) Vernon McRANEY (10.) Mary McRANEY Peeples Columbus JORDAN, born: 1795 in Georgia, April 01, 1875 in Jones Co., MS, married Charlotte WELDON, born: 1798 in Georgia, married in abt. 1820, died: April 01, 1875 in Jones Co., MS, and they were the parents of were the parents of: Jacob Jackson "Jack" JORDAN, born: 1822 in Butler Co., AL, died: April 09, 1864 at the Confederate Hospital in Weldon, North Carolina, who married Elizabeth MOSELY, born: 1822 in SC, died: 1897 in Ellisville, Jones Co., MS, married abt. 1848. Children of Elizabeth MOSELY and Jacob Jackson "Jack" JORDAN were: [1.] Mark Columbus "Lum" JORDAN, born: July 121, 1857 in Ellisville, Jones Co., MS, died: June 22, 1909, Ellisville, Jones Co., MS, buried at JORDAN Cemetery, who married, Phebe Jordan HERRINGTON, born: March 01, 1858 in Ellisville, Jones Co., MS, died: October 20, 1933 in Ellisville, Jones Co., MS, buried: at JORDAN Cemetery, (daughter of Martha Jane BARLOW and James Madison "Matt" HERRINGTON,) .............Children of Phebe Jordan HERRINGTON and Mark Columbus "Lum" JORDAN: .............(1.) Madison Jackson JORDAN, born: May 14, 1892 [2.] Matthew Peeples JORDAN, born: September 22, 1854, died: March 12, 1929, buried at JORDAN Cemetery, Jones County, MS, and he married on November 22, 1876 Sarah Margaret FAIRCHILD, born: January 18, 1856, died: September 22, 1923, buried at JORDAN Cemetery, Jones Co., MS, (daughter of Louisa DICKERSON and William H. FAIRCHILD.) .............Children of Louisa DICKERSON and William H. FAIRCHILD: .............(1.) Hubert Sebastian DEWEY, born: January 22, 1898

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ikJ.2ACIB/1169.1 Message Board Post: WILLIAM COPELAND HAD AT LEAST ONE SON NAMED RICHARD,I HEAR A POS.2ND NAMED DONALD