In a message dated 7/31/00 4:58:23 AM Central Daylight Time, bibbs@xtra.co.nz writes: << Hi Dawn, I was thinking the same thing. I don't have a lot to go go on but here goes. P/G Mother Charlotte (Queenie)Mary Cooper. Bn 1886. Her Brother William (willie) Children of Herbert Cooper ( Brewer, Bass Breweries?)& Mary nee: Gambell. Mary Dd.26.1.1896. Buried Alton Cemetry. Hants Hale Bank, Ditton. Widnes.Lancs. A Little more if you think there is a connection. Margaret & Bruce Owen Hawkes Bay New Zealand bibbs @xtra.co.nz >> Hi Margaret, We have COOPERs in England and Australia, starting in Kent in about 1734, first record, marriage in Ingtham in 1769. We also have a Herbert COOPER, in fact we have 3, born aft 1782, abt 1847, and in 1873. Do your COOPERs have any connection to ALLEN? We have a COOPER who married an ALLEN and immigrated to New Zealand. How about CRIPPS? Do you have your Herbert's b/d? Annie