Unless they match you, it really does not matter if you have their lineage or not, except that you could eliminate them as your lineage. If they do match you, you will be sent their email address and you can write to them to get their information, and share yours with them. We were able to prove that my father's third cousin in Lauderdale County, was a perfect 37 point marker. Of course, we already knew we were of the same lineage, but the DNA substantiated it, which we consider to be quite a victory. We know that we came off the line of Stephen Cooper, born in about 1797 in North or South Carolina, and lived and died in Wayne County, Tennessee. We have our lineages from that point forward to now. We were also able to prove that Samuel Cooper and Stephen Cooper were definitely related, because another cousin, who is probably a fourth cousin, in Wichita, Kansas also matched us on all 37 markers. We know that Samuel and Stephen both lived in Wayne County, Tennessee and that Samuel moved to Searcy County, Arkansas where he had a large family of descendants and died. I was so thrilled when the cousin from Wichita wrote to tell me we had a match! We always thought there was a connection between Samuel and Stephen, and now we had the proof. We have plans to get together this summer and trek back to Arkansas and Wayne County, Tennessee to the Family History Fair. As long as you are the only Cooper with your particular number sequence, you will not see it as being helpful, but when someone else comes along later who matches you, it really gets exciting! They will contact you if you are still available with a good email address. That is why I have kept the same email address for all these years, so I wont miss any leads. You will both be contacted at the same time, and either of you may contact the other. Does anyone have information on John Coffee Cooper? He lived in Wayne County, Tennessee and Searcy County, Arkansas. His line goes all the way back to Abraham Cooper and Frances Scott in Culpepper County, Virginia. I would really like to see some more DNA contributions from any Cooper males from Abraham Cooper's line. I might even consider paying for your testing if need be. DNA testing is a wonderful tool and I recommend it for all Cooper males, but if we don't get the input, we will never know the rewards! Just do it, and then sit back and wait for a match! You contribute and they will come. Best of Luck to All, Barbara Cooper McGee

As it was explained to us. Mothers and daughters have the same DNA. The father's DNA make up only a small part is passed on to the female.Making it harder for this to be proven if you are a female. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA > You said your mother was a Cooper. That means her mother's maiden name > was > probably not Cooper. The MtDNA will test your donor through their > mother's > mother's mother's line, not through the donor's mother's father's line. > > If you think Y chromosome lines are hard to nail down, its easier to nail > jello to the wall than to identify MtDNA lines specifically. > > > ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the COOPER list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

To the preson who said their mother was a cooper. You won't be able to use Y chromosome DNA testing if you Cooper ancestry is through your mother unless you know a brother of hers that carries the Cooper surname. For Y DNA testing you have to be a male and you must carry the surname or know for a fact that your surname used to be Cooper and was changed for some reason. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA I have been reading all these emails re:DNA testing. I have a male ancestor I have traced back to 1824 in New York state. What do DNA tests cost and where does one go to get it done. Does it sound feasible for me? How can one see the lines already discovered?Thank you for your help. Helen T. Zibit, St. Louis. My mother was a Cooper. ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet http://www.snopes.com/ <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

;You need to have the mitochondrial DNA test done for female lineage. It can prove out a female line. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA Unfortunately, you cannot trace the Y chromosome back through the female line of Coopers because it is only passed down through the male lines. ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet http://www.snopes.com/ <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Mothers and daughters have the same DNA make up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: RE: [COOPER] Cooper DNA > ;You need to have the mitochondrial DNA test done for female lineage. > It can prove out a female line. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA > > Unfortunately, you cannot trace the Y chromosome back through the female > > line of Coopers because it is only passed down through the male lines. > > > > ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== > Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet > http://www.snopes.com/ > <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== > List Mom for COOPER-L: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

You can join the Cooper Surname Project and order a test kit at the same time at this website. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=K53200 Just click on the link. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA I have been reading all these emails re:DNA testing. I have a male ancestor I have traced back to 1824 in New York state. What do DNA tests cost and where does one go to get it done. Does it sound feasible for me? How can one see the lines already discovered?Thank you for your help. Helen T. Zibit, St. Louis. My mother was a Cooper. ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet http://www.snopes.com/ <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Helen, The DNA test is for males. You would have to find a male in your family with the Cooper surname in order to participate. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA >I have been reading all these emails re:DNA testing. I have a male >ancestor > I have traced back to 1824 in New York state. What do DNA tests cost and > where does one go to get it done. Does it sound feasible for me? How can > one see > the lines already discovered?Thank you for your help. Helen T. Zibit, St. > Louis. My mother was a Cooper. > > > ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== > Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet > http://www.snopes.com/ > <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

This is getting exasperating. If you don't like the idea of DNA testing for Cooper lineage then don't go to the site. I personally have my linieage posted on Ben Cooper's site for anyone to see. It is accurate as far back as I am positive of. I don't speculate when posting lineage. If I don't know it for a fact then it doesn't get posted. I have seen other lineages posted there too and it looks good to me. Some of them I can connect to but some I can't. That's the nature of the beast called genealogy. Get over it. Cockyfox. -----Original Message----- From: Lois Franceschi [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [COOPER] DNA OK. Explain how any of those numbers helps anyone. Those who have already matched have been notified by the DNA lab. Explain what real aid this is to the researcher. Lois And, by-the-way, I'd be delighted to have any info on my line. However, it isn't on your site and never will be. My glass is more than half-full. :-D ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

I have been researching this Cooper line since 1962; I believe that shows I already have patience. What I don't have patience for is folks who believe their "witty" remarks will make me stop "ferretting out information." That's what we do when we do research. If no one can answer my questions aboutthe DNA site, that's OK. However, a simple statement stating that the figures do not help the average researcher would suffice. Guess I'll move on to another surname and forget the Cooper line. Lois

Sorry, you feel that way Lois. My glass is half-full. I smile every day I open my eyes awaiting for the positives of the day...and there are many. Best of luck in your family research. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Franceschi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: [COOPER] Cooper DNA > Having all the useless info posted on the Cooper DNA site is crazy. I can > get the contact from the DNA company. Sorry. I personally feel that > without the lineages, the info you have posted is useless and > uninformative. > > Lois > > > ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== > USGS Mapping Information query form > http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

Who is Juhugh Cooper? The closest I have is Jehu (as spelled by a direct descendent). He is the s/o John M. Cooper and Drussina Unknown, as is my Christopher Columbus Cooper Sr. I don't think anyone really understands what I am saying. DNA is probably well worth the testing. What I don't understand is all the numbers that mean nothing to the average researcher. There are no names posted on the Cooper DNA site. Suppose I had a female Cooper and only had names with no male descendent to ask to do a test (and believe me, that is not always easy to find, took me 2 years). Since I had no DNA test, how could I possibly know if I match one of those names? Lois

Quite the contrary, Lois. This is a worldwide data file of DNA results. As long as you keep a current email address with your DNA results in FTDNA, you will be notified of matches. As an exemplar of what can be done, one group in our Cooper Surname DNA Group has eleven matches. This had to take a lot of research, cooperation and work among the group's participants. I personally applaud their efforts. You must not expect a submission of a DNA sample to be the answer to your family tree history. You must continue to research and encourage participation in the DNA study to prove and disprove your family history. Personally, I have disproven more than I have proven in my lineage research and DNA analysis. I feel this is good because I want the truth in my family tree. In the group we have three matches to the James Fenimore Cooper line. That was a startling revelation and has discreated a lot of long-standing genealogical research and presumptions of family history connections. Incidentally, the three did not know of their connection before the DNA testing. That is the ultimate goal of each participant but it takes work and tenacity. Don't be dishearted, keep plugging along and encourage others to do the same. Keep on researching your answers will come with time. Have a good day! H. Ben Cooper Group Administrator Cooper Surname DNA Project [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Franceschi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing Well, without the lineages, the info at the DNA web site is useless. Sorry, but there is no way we can decipher who belongs to who if they refuse to divulge the lineages. Most DNA sites just don't list the living descendants and merely put in an email for contact. I guess I wasted my money in having my cousin do the testing. Lois

If you are adopted like my husband is the COOPER line is his birth family we no of no one that can contribute to the DNA project I wish we did. Good Luck to all of you who can use this instrument but for those of us that have female ancestors. This project is not a good one unless people post and tell who their ancestor was. I do have the siblings of William Cooper and Elizabeth Richmond. So if someone were to post the family names that would help but then again someone who have to want to try to connect. Thanks. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing > > Unless they match you, it really does not matter if you have their lineage > or not, except that you could eliminate them as your lineage. > > If they do match you, you will be sent their email address and you can > write > to them to get their information, and share yours with them. > > We were able to prove that my father's third cousin in Lauderdale County, > was a perfect 37 point marker. Of course, we already knew we were of the > same > lineage, but the DNA substantiated it, which we consider to be quite a > victory. We know that we came off the line of Stephen Cooper, born in > about 1797 > in North or South Carolina, and lived and died in Wayne County, > Tennessee. We > have our lineages from that point forward to now. > > We were also able to prove that Samuel Cooper and Stephen Cooper were > definitely related, because another cousin, who is probably a fourth > cousin, in > Wichita, Kansas also matched us on all 37 markers. We know that Samuel > and > Stephen both lived in Wayne County, Tennessee and that Samuel moved to > Searcy > County, Arkansas where he had a large family of descendants and died. > > I was so thrilled when the cousin from Wichita wrote to tell me we had a > match! We always thought there was a connection between Samuel and > Stephen, and > now we had the proof. We have plans to get together this summer and trek > back to Arkansas and Wayne County, Tennessee to the Family History Fair. > > As long as you are the only Cooper with your particular number sequence, > you > will not see it as being helpful, but when someone else comes along later > who matches you, it really gets exciting! They will contact you if you > are > still available with a good email address. That is why I have kept the > same > email address for all these years, so I wont miss any leads. You will > both be > contacted at the same time, and either of you may contact the other. > > Does anyone have information on John Coffee Cooper? He lived in Wayne > County, Tennessee and Searcy County, Arkansas. His line goes all the way > back to > Abraham Cooper and Frances Scott in Culpepper County, Virginia. I would > really like to see some more DNA contributions from any Cooper males from > Abraham > Cooper's line. I might even consider paying for your testing if need be. > > DNA testing is a wonderful tool and I recommend it for all Cooper males, > but > if we don't get the input, we will never know the rewards! Just do it, > and > then sit back and wait for a match! You contribute and they will come. > > Best of Luck to All, > > Barbara Cooper McGee > > > ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== > We have archives! Search for your COOPER information here..... > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=COOPER > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I doubt if he is on the rootsweb list yet. He was made a co-administrator this week. Email him anyway. (-; Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Durrett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing > Ben, > > Is Gary on the Cooper rootsweb list so we can ask him our questions. > Thanks. Joy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Cooper" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing > > >> Lois, sharing family tree information or websites by participants in the >> Cooper Surname DNA Project is strictly voluntary. Many have opted not to >> share this information but it would be very helpful to them as well as >> others who visit the website if they would. >> >> Family Tree DNA does not allow revealing a participant in the Cooper >> Surname DNA Group's personal information. This is shared on voluntary >> basis as well. That is why you will not figure out a lineage. I have >> shared my family tree as well as a website URL where my extensive family >> tree is detailed. I encourage others to do the same if they earnestly >> want to find unknown kin and expound on their family history. >> >> Even though I have color coated different groups, there is no connection >> from the information in the charts to the family trees. >> >> As a side note, I would like to inform others on the list that Gary W. >> Cooper [[email protected]]volunteered and has been made a Co-Administrator >> of the Cooper Surname DNA Group. I welcome the assistance and hope others >> will welcome him aboard and feel free to bury him in questions. (-; >> >> H. Ben Cooper >> Group Administrator >> Cooper Surname DNA Project >> [email protected] >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lois Franceschi" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing >> >> >> Gary... >> >> I've been to the DNA site several times. Despite the fact that my cousin >> did the DNA testing, I cannot figure out the lineages. Is there a link >> I am missing that states the different lineages? I think that would be >> very useful. >> >> Lois in Auburn, CA

OK. Explain how any of those numbers helps anyone. Those who have already matched have been notified by the DNA lab. Explain what real aid this is to the researcher. Lois And, by-the-way, I'd be delighted to have any info on my line. However, it isn't on your site and never will be. My glass is more than half-full. :-D

Lois, sharing family tree information or websites by participants in the Cooper Surname DNA Project is strictly voluntary. Many have opted not to share this information but it would be very helpful to them as well as others who visit the website if they would. Family Tree DNA does not allow revealing a participant in the Cooper Surname DNA Group's personal information. This is shared on voluntary basis as well. That is why you will not figure out a lineage. I have shared my family tree as well as a website URL where my extensive family tree is detailed. I encourage others to do the same if they earnestly want to find unknown kin and expound on their family history. Even though I have color coated different groups, there is no connection from the information in the charts to the family trees. As a side note, I would like to inform others on the list that Gary W. Cooper [[email protected]]volunteered and has been made a Co-Administrator of the Cooper Surname DNA Group. I welcome the assistance and hope others will welcome him aboard and feel free to bury him in questions. (-; H. Ben Cooper Group Administrator Cooper Surname DNA Project [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Franceschi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing Gary... I've been to the DNA site several times. Despite the fact that my cousin did the DNA testing, I cannot figure out the lineages. Is there a link I am missing that states the different lineages? I think that would be very useful. Lois in Auburn, CA

Having all the useless info posted on the Cooper DNA site is crazy. I can get the contact from the DNA company. Sorry. I personally feel that without the lineages, the info you have posted is useless and uninformative. Lois

Ben Thank you I will. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Cooper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing >I doubt if he is on the rootsweb list yet. He was made a co-administrator >this week. Email him anyway. (-; > > Ben > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy Durrett" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing > > >> Ben, >> >> Is Gary on the Cooper rootsweb list so we can ask him our questions. >> Thanks. Joy >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ben Cooper" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing >> >> >>> Lois, sharing family tree information or websites by participants in the >>> Cooper Surname DNA Project is strictly voluntary. Many have opted not to >>> share this information but it would be very helpful to them as well as >>> others who visit the website if they would. >>> >>> Family Tree DNA does not allow revealing a participant in the Cooper >>> Surname DNA Group's personal information. This is shared on voluntary >>> basis as well. That is why you will not figure out a lineage. I have >>> shared my family tree as well as a website URL where my extensive family >>> tree is detailed. I encourage others to do the same if they earnestly >>> want to find unknown kin and expound on their family history. >>> >>> Even though I have color coated different groups, there is no connection >>> from the information in the charts to the family trees. >>> >>> As a side note, I would like to inform others on the list that Gary W. >>> Cooper [[email protected]]volunteered and has been made a >>> Co-Administrator of the Cooper Surname DNA Group. I welcome the >>> assistance and hope others will welcome him aboard and feel free to bury >>> him in questions. (-; >>> >>> H. Ben Cooper >>> Group Administrator >>> Cooper Surname DNA Project >>> [email protected] >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lois Franceschi" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing >>> >>> >>> Gary... >>> >>> I've been to the DNA site several times. Despite the fact that my >>> cousin did the DNA testing, I cannot figure out the lineages. Is there >>> a link I am missing that states the different lineages? I think that >>> would be very useful. >>> >>> Lois in Auburn, CA > > > > ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the COOPER list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Lois, If your cousin put he wanted to be notified if someone was a match then all is not lost. You will be notified. For me that won't work because my Cooper is a female and if people are not willing to share this information they are in my opinion are selfish and only care about their line and do not want to connect up with other people from the same family who could have information that could help them establish a migration pattern and help then understand their family. A DNA test will not tell you about your family only that they are family. Good Luck and Happy Hunting. Just my thoughts. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Franceschi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper DNA testing > Well, without the lineages, the info at the DNA web site is useless. > Sorry, but there is no way we can decipher who belongs to who if they > refuse to divulge the lineages. Most DNA sites just don't list the living > descendants and merely put in an email for contact. I guess I wasted my > money in having my cousin do the testing. > > Lois > > > ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== > We have archives! Search for your COOPER information here..... > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=COOPER > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Well, without the lineages, the info at the DNA web site is useless. Sorry, but there is no way we can decipher who belongs to who if they refuse to divulge the lineages. Most DNA sites just don't list the living descendants and merely put in an email for contact. I guess I wasted my money in having my cousin do the testing. Lois