PLEASE, make all requests to be placed on the Cooper Surname Newsletter mailing list directly to bcooper@mc2k.com. THANKS! Ben Cooper bcooper@mc2k.com

I have ask to have the news letter posted to the list also. People in present and future can also read it in list mail or from the web. At the moment I am trying to find out why Ben cant post to the list. Dan M mygen2@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "LCDRMustang" <creynolds@cox.net> To: <cooper@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal > Please add me to the newsletter list - creynolds@cox.net > tks >

Please add me to the newsletter list - creynolds@cox.net tks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cox SMTP west" <lmhamb@cox.net> To: <cooper@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal > Please add me to group. Jo Ann Hamblin lmhamb@cox.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Cooper" <garluke@windstream.net> > To: <COOPER@rootsweb.com>; <COOPER-DNA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: [COOPER] Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal > > >> We have a Cooper Surname Newsletter available now. I do not believe I can >> attach the URL on the message board, however, if you are interested in >> receiving a copy, please send me your email address. >> >> >> I hope you enjoy it and will share your stories of interest with other >> members of the group. >> >> We also have a new mail-list group available to all that is intended for >> use by anyone researching their COOPER family history worldwide. >> >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cooperfamilyhistory/ >> >> H. Ben Cooper >> >> bcooper@mc2k.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COOPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tom, I used to live in Aughton about 5 miles away from Standish and 2 miles away from Ormskirk. In between Ormskirk and Standish - was Lord Derby's residence - Lathom House. All of these places were in Lancashire England, and were involvred in the English Civil War. At the end of the War, Lord Derby had his head removed and put on display at Wigan, his headless body was interred at Ormskirk. Lathom House was demolished and there is no sign of it today. By this time, Miles Standish had sailed to America on the Mayflower. His job was to head up the militia looking after the Quakers on board. Miles took with him a girl from Ormskirk who he subsequently married - she died within the year. Miles then invited her sister over from Ormskirk, and he married her. I believe that the Mayflower sailed from Holland to Plymouth, which would back up what you said. Ricky Cooper. PS I drove through Miles Standish forest when I was in the States. The Archaeologists are now excavating for Lathom House. There is a small graveyard outside the bounds of Ormskirk contaning Quakers.

Don't know how much research you have into the Cooper/Keiffer (various spellings) but around 1735 my last name changed from Keifffer to Cooper. Not sure of the details, but do know the area of origin was probably lower Switzerland or upper Germany. I have spent many hours looking into this and have the 12 marker DNA test to back up my name change, but no one that I know of so far has done the 25 marker to get more specific. I am leaving and going out of town in the morning and will not be back until Sunday. This surname project is a very good source for studying the Cooper name. If you like, I can recontact you to provide a bit more info on my name. Roger Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gini" <gini1223@comcast.net> To: <cooper@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [COOPER] COOPER - Name derivation > Ricky- > I am particularly interested in the Middle Dutch kuper. My line of Coopers > had always assumed they were English, but research has shown that the name > was originally spelled Kuper or Kupfer, and they came from > Germany/Holland. > Gini, in merry Maryland > >> Hi, >> As a change from wanting to know if I required the new Newsletter, <BG> >> I was recently asked the derivation of my surname "COOPER" so here is my >> attempt :-- >> origins & meanings: >> 1. Latin language = Cask >> 2. 'Old English' language = Barrel maker >> An English occupational name for a maker and repairer of wooden vessels >> such as barrels, tubs, buckets, casks, and vats, from 'Middle English' >> couper, >> cowper (apparently from Middle Dutch kūper, a derivative of kūp ‘tub’, ‘ >> container’, which was borrowed independently into English as 'coop'). >> The >> prevalence of the surname, its cognates, and equivalents bears witness >> to >> the fact that this was one of the chief specialist trades in the Middle >> Ages throughout Europe. >> The skill to make a container was determined by the use to be made of >> the >> container. Thus :-- >> The “Barrel” Cooper would make closed Barrels which could be sealed to >> hold >> liquids such as Wines and Spirits. This was a very skilled job. >> The “Wet” Cooper would make open Buckets to hold liquids such as Water. >> The “Dry” Cooper would make any other type of container to hold Fruit, >> Vegetables,Hen Coops etc. >> Until people in general could read and write, surnames were written as >> they >> sounded to the local Priest when registering Births, Marriages and >> Deaths. I >> have found Cooper, Cowper, Cowap, Cowp, Coop, Couper and there are >> probably more. In those days of high illiteracy, the “Form Fillers” >> would >> also have to deal with people whose accent was much broader than it is >> now. This would >> cause even more “phonetic guesses” . >> My own research has shown that my forefathers were called Cowper in the >> 1600s, and Cooper thereafter. >> Ricky Cooper in Merrie England. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Tom- My Coopers came from NY & NJ too. The first one here was Christian Cooper (1739-1809) who had a large family and lived in Rennselear Co., near Albany. Any relation? Gini ----- Original Message ----- From: <tcoop2@adelphia.net> To: <cooper@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: [COOPER] Cooper - name derivation > Gini, > I read with your interest your posting. A word of caution based on my own > experience (though if you're certain re: your research, please ignore). > Several years back I came across a Cooper family history, written by J. > Crayon over 100 years ago, describing Cooper's of NJ and NY. It provided > several important linkages to my Cooper roots, and he wrote that their > name was Kuyper or Kuper originally and that they had come from Holland. > I spent > several years going down blind alleys researching these Dutch names in the > Hudson River Valley before discovering that Crayon was wrong! My Coopers > were indeed English as I had first suspected, and that they may have > SAILED from Holland in the 1600's (many people fleeing from or moving from > the British Isles went to Holland first as their port of embarkation), but > they were not FROM Holland. Crayon interviewed several octogenarians for > his book, and the oral history contained references to the ancestors who > "came from Holland." Indeed they did. "But a boat does not roots make." > Best wishes, > Tom Cooper > > > On 11/19/07 9:50 AM, "Gini" <gini1223@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Ricky-> I am particularly interested in the Middle Dutch kuper. My line >> of >> Coopers had always assumed they were English, but research has shown that >> the name was originally spelled Kuper or Kupfer, and they came from >> Germany/Holland. Gini, in merry Maryland

Gini, I read with your interest your posting. A word of caution based on my own experience (though if you're certain re: your research, please ignore). Several years back I came across a Cooper family history, written by J. Crayon over 100 years ago, describing Cooper's of NJ and NY. It provided several important linkages to my Cooper roots, and he wrote that their name was Kuyper or Kuper originally and that they had come from Holland. I spent several years going down blind alleys researching these Dutch names in the Hudson River Valley before discovering that Crayon was wrong! My Coopers were indeed English as I had first suspected, and that they may have SAILED from Holland in the 1600's (many people fleeing from or moving from the British Isles went to Holland first as their port of embarkation), but they were not FROM Holland. Crayon interviewed several octogenarians for his book, and the oral history contained references to the ancestors who "came from Holland." Indeed they did. "But a boat does not roots make." Best wishes, Tom Cooper On 11/19/07 9:50 AM, "Gini" <gini1223@comcast.net> wrote: > Ricky- I am particularly interested in the Middle Dutch kuper. My line of > Coopers had always assumed they were English, but research has shown that the > name was originally spelled Kuper or Kupfer, and they came from > Germany/Holland. Gini, in merry Maryland

from today's 100s of coopers in Cupar, Scotland the name started as Cupar then ? Coupar, the Couper , then Cooper some claim that originallly this cupar (was Latin) and meant HIGH SIGNAL fire as e.g. on hill a practice of Celts in early days to put a barn fire on top of hills note-some substantial per cent coopers in usa come from scot coopers not english coopers perhaps oldest is this PHAROAH Kupar was the LAST Pharoah of Egypt few years after Cleopatra of asp days was gone he was from Blemmye desert tribe Source: Metropolitan Museum (of NYC) brochure about heiroglyphics on the Temple of Dendur it has in its new wing (now ? 20 yrs old) ; which was moved in toto from Egypt to NYC on reviewing e.g. the LDS microfische for all SE USA states you will see not one single family - as some assumed but dozens upon dozens of cooper families most UN connected at all as also established by Family Tree DNA study for Cooper which proves and shows ??? about ??? 25 different cooper lines in USA all un connected.... lita kupa cinc g ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hi Gini, Thanks for your reply. I think the German translation for COOPER is Faßbinder. I also think the American Immigration guys were responsible for many Eurpean surnames being changed ro an English "sound alike". My Grandmother's surname on her Marriage certificate was CARFY. But it was really COURGHYE. I guess that change was caused by the crazy accent. Earlier than that my Great Grandmother's name was Dougherty from "Donnall O'DOCHARTAIGH, lord of the territory of Kinel-Enda and Ard Mire, died, A.D.1119. But I'm going into the old Manx Gaelic era now. Best Regards, Ricky Cooper.

Ricky- I am particularly interested in the Middle Dutch kuper. My line of Coopers had always assumed they were English, but research has shown that the name was originally spelled Kuper or Kupfer, and they came from Germany/Holland. Gini, in merry Maryland > Hi, > As a change from wanting to know if I required the new Newsletter, <BG> > I was recently asked the derivation of my surname "COOPER" so here is my > attempt :-- > origins & meanings: > 1. Latin language = Cask > 2. 'Old English' language = Barrel maker > An English occupational name for a maker and repairer of wooden vessels > such as barrels, tubs, buckets, casks, and vats, from 'Middle English' > couper, > cowper (apparently from Middle Dutch kūper, a derivative of kūp ‘tub’, ‘ > container’, which was borrowed independently into English as 'coop'). The > prevalence of the surname, its cognates, and equivalents bears witness to > the fact that this was one of the chief specialist trades in the Middle > Ages throughout Europe. > The skill to make a container was determined by the use to be made of the > container. Thus :-- > The “Barrel” Cooper would make closed Barrels which could be sealed to > hold > liquids such as Wines and Spirits. This was a very skilled job. > The “Wet” Cooper would make open Buckets to hold liquids such as Water. > The “Dry” Cooper would make any other type of container to hold Fruit, > Vegetables,Hen Coops etc. > Until people in general could read and write, surnames were written as > they > sounded to the local Priest when registering Births, Marriages and > Deaths. I > have found Cooper, Cowper, Cowap, Cowp, Coop, Couper and there are > probably more. In those days of high illiteracy, the “Form Fillers” would > also have to deal with people whose accent was much broader than it is > now. This would > cause even more “phonetic guesses” . > My own research has shown that my forefathers were called Cowper in the > 1600s, and Cooper thereafter. > Ricky Cooper in Merrie England.

Now that I made my previous post - I do want to thank the efforts of those creating the news letter and ask that they also would post it to the list. This way those who read the web mail can also read it in the present and future. Thanks Dan M mygen2@earthlink.net

Dan M mygen2@earthlink.net

Its ok to tell about the News letter. But its ( not ) ok to post add me too's to the list. Please send them in private - to the person responsible for the new letter. I have been over run with complaints also we lost 7 members. When advertising something people want to a list, also post. << please write me in private to be added to the News Letter >> Thanks Dan M = admin Cooper@rootsweb.com mygen2@earthlink.net

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Hi, As a change from wanting to know if I required the new Newsletter, <BG> I was recently asked the derivation of my surname "COOPER" so here is my attempt :-- origins & meanings: 1. Latin language = Cask 2. 'Old English' language = Barrel maker An English occupational name for a maker and repairer of wooden vessels such as barrels, tubs, buckets, casks, and vats, from 'Middle English' couper, cowper (apparently from Middle Dutch kūper, a derivative of kūp ‘tub’, ‘ container’, which was borrowed independently into English as 'coop'). The prevalence of the surname, its cognates, and equivalents bears witness to the fact that this was one of the chief specialist trades in the Middle Ages throughout Europe. The skill to make a container was determined by the use to be made of the container. Thus :-- The “Barrel” Cooper would make closed Barrels which could be sealed to hold liquids such as Wines and Spirits. This was a very skilled job. The “Wet” Cooper would make open Buckets to hold liquids such as Water. The “Dry” Cooper would make any other type of container to hold Fruit, Vegetables,Hen Coops etc. Until people in general could read and write, surnames were written as they sounded to the local Priest when registering Births, Marriages and Deaths. I have found Cooper, Cowper, Cowap, Cowp, Coop, Couper and there are probably more. In those days of high illiteracy, the “Form Fillers” would also have to deal with people whose accent was much broader than it is now. This would cause even more “phonetic guesses” My own research has shown that my forefathers were called Cowper in the 1600s, and Cooper thereafter. Ricky Cooper in Merrie England.

Yes, I would like to receive the Cooper newsletter. -----Original Message----- From: cooper-request@rootsweb.com To: cooper@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 3:03 am Subject: COOPER Digest, Vol 2, Issue 95 Today's Topics: 1. Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal (Gary Cooper) 2. Re: Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal (Nancy Torphy) 3. Re: Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal (Gloria Holder) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:13:32 -0500 From: "Gary Cooper" <garluke@windstream.net> Subject: [COOPER] Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal To: <COOPER@rootsweb.com>, <COOPER-DNA@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002a01c828d0$37c49d80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We have a Cooper Surname Newsletter available now. I do not believe I can attach the URL on the message board, however, if you are interested in receiving a copy, please send me your email address. I hope you enjoy it and will share your stories of interest with other members of the group. We also have a new mail-list group available to all that is intended for use by anyone researching their COOPER family history worldwide. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cooperfamilyhistory/ H. Ben Cooper bcooper@mc2k.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:26:17 -0600 From: "Nancy Torphy" <ntorphy@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal To: <cooper@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <016401c828da$616f6110$3dffa018@brady47c7e4e79> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I would love to receive the Cooper Newsletter. My email is ntorphy@wi.rr.com Nancy Torphy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Cooper" <garluke@windstream.net> To: <COOPER@rootsweb.com>; <COOPER-DNA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:13 PM Subject: [COOPER] Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal > We have a Cooper Surname Newsletter available now. I do not believe I can > attach the URL on the message board, however, if you are interested in > receiving a copy, please send me your email address. > > > I hope you enjoy it and will share your stories of interest with other > members of the group. > > We also have a new mail-list group available to all that is intended for > use by anyone researching their COOPER family history worldwide. > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cooperfamilyhistory/ > > H. Ben Cooper > > bcooper@mc2k.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.34/1134 - Release Date: > 11/16/2007 9:52 AM > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:47:50 -0600 From: Gloria Holder <gholder4@juno.com> Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal To: cooper@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20071117.014750.2204.0.gholder4@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi My e-mail address is gholder4@juno.com Please send the Cooper Newsletter and also the new mail list as I am very interested in the Cooper Family. I am from Malachi Cooper and David Cooper. Thank you for letting me know about the list and the Newsletter. Gloria gholder4@juno.com On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:13:32 -0500 "Gary Cooper" <garluke@windstream.net> writes: > We have a Cooper Surname Newsletter available now. I do not believe I > can attach the URL on the message board, however, if you are > interested in receiving a copy, please send me your email address. > > > I hope you enjoy it and will share your stories of interest with > other members of the group. > > We also have a new mail-list group available to all that is intended > for use by anyone researching their COOPER family history > worldwide. > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cooperfamilyhistory/ > > H. Ben Cooper > > bcooper@mc2k.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ To contact the COOPER list administrator, send an email to COOPER-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the COOPER mailing list, send an email to COOPER@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of COOPER Digest, Vol 2, Issue 95 ************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Please contact Ben bcooper@mc2k.com > We are grateful for the mounting interest in the new COOPER > Newsletter and discussion group! > > Please make all future requests directly to Hiram 'Ben' Cooper at: > bcooper@mc2k.com and visit the group at: > http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42879/*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cooperfam ilyhistory > , rather than make your request through the Rootsweb List. > > We don't want to wear out our welcome with our fellow listers. > > Have a Great Day! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Southern Heart Ranch www.southernheartranch.com

Could you add me to the list. Youneverknow0502@sbcglobal.net Thank you, Michael D. Reynolds -----Original Message----- From: cooper-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cooper-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Purlee Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 2:11 AM To: cooper@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COOPER] Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal I would like to receive a copy of the Cooper Newsletter. Send it to jackie-purlee@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Gary Cooper <garluke@windstream.net> To: COOPER@rootsweb.com; COOPER-DNA@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:13:32 PM Subject: [COOPER] Cooper Surname Newsletter, etal We have a Cooper Surname Newsletter available now. I do not believe I can attach the URL on the message board, however, if you are interested in receiving a copy, please send me your email address. I hope you enjoy it and will share your stories of interest with other members of the group. We also have a new mail-list group available to all that is intended for use by anyone researching their COOPER family history worldwide. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cooperfamilyhistory/ H. Ben Cooper bcooper@mc2k.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message