Hi Dave, On 11/27/11, Dave Otto <davidotto.otto@gmail.com> wrote: > > There ia a Benjamin and Irving Fishman shown in the 1930 census living > at the Brooklyn Hebrew Orphan Asylum. Irving is shown to be 12 years > old and "Benj" 13 years old, living in New York state, Kings county, > Brooklyn, ED 24-670 and sheet 16A. Thanks, yes a few folks have also written off list about that, and I have been so busy following up on the leads that I have not posted progress as it has been changing so fast. If you look closely at the 1930 census image, you will see the boys are in an alphabetical list with the T's, and it turns out the surname was Tishman, mistranscribed in a number of places, notably the 1920 and 1930 censuses. It seems that Emma, Benjamin and Irving died in California as Tishmans, I have still not been able to find Emma or Abraham in the 1930 census. The orphanage records from Ancestry show Emma taking them out of the orphanage after 1930. I am still hunting records, but thanks to the wonderful list members of this list, am on a more productive tract. If anyone can find Emma in 1930, that would be especially appreciated, I still have not found her. Who she is living with might be very, very helpful. To recap, she was born December 1892 in Russia (likely Russian Poland), immigrated 1910, naturalized 1917, apparently came with her husband? 1930 census may tell us when they married. Have not found a marriage for them here in NYC. According to the 1920 census in Chicago, her maiden name would have been Weinzimmer, as Rachel Weintzimmer was Abram's mother in law. But the California Death Index Entry for Benjamin gives a mother's maiden name of SIMBERG. So I am stumped, hunting for more records. Emma's death entry has no maiden name, so her death certificate is not going to solve that question.