I'm sending separately an obit for an Irving Fishman, 1916-1970, but it doesn't mention a brother Benjamin, so may not be yours. If the census says Rachel was Abram's mother-in-law, then she was Emma's mother and Jacob her brother. There are several possible marriages for Irving and Benjamin on the Cook County Web site, but you have to pay to view. All in the 1940s and 1950s, which would seem late for your Irving and Benjamin. Diane

On 11/25/11, DLCulhane@cs.com <DLCulhane@cs.com> wrote: > I'm sending separately an obit for an Irving Fishman, 1916-1970, but it > doesn't mention a brother Benjamin, so may not be yours. I think I saw that but this is a good reminder, it does not mention the cemetery but does give an address for the chapel, maybe I can track that down. Hastily prepared obituaries sometimes leave names out, confounding our research. > If the census says Rachel was Abram's mother-in-law, then she was Emma's > mother and Jacob her brother. No, Jacob is definitely her son. It says Rachel is mother-in-law, Jacob is brother-in-law, and I have him and Rachel together in the 1910 and 1930 censuses as mother and son. I have been doing a complete surname study, so I am confident there is not another Jacob/Rachel Weinzimmer pair in the USA of their ages. > There are several possible marriages for Irving and Benjamin on the Cook > County Web site... Thanks for the reminder, I will look at those again more carefully. But I still especially need to find Emma's death so I can see who it says her parents are. There is a very young Emma Fishman whose death I found who I do not think is her. It ought to be possible to find Emma and Abram after 1920. I wonder if her first name was really something else, a Yiddish or Hebrew name that was misunderstood by the census taker. Thanks again!