I sent this under the heading of Wesley Methodist Episcopal church over the weekend, but thought I would send it under a different heading, since the same building became a part of a different church. I think these old buildings are gone now. I am looking for a photo of the Wesley Methodist Episcopal church that was on North Halsted in Chicago in the 1800s. I found a news story from 1886 saying the church was paid for. I don't know when it was built but I did not find it in the 1885 Chicago City Directory. My guess is that building started maybe 1885 and was finished that year or in 1886. In the1892 city directory the address was given as 1003-1009 N. Halsted. In 1900, it was listed as being located at N. Halsted between Belden and Webster Avenues. In 1923 the address was given as 2225 N. Halsted. In a 1925 news story,  the Wesley ME church, located  at 2225 North Halsted had merged with the Diversy ME church, which was located at Diversey Boulevard and Seminary Ave. The Wesley M.E. brick parsonage, located at 2229 Halsted and the church were going to be sold.  The two churches that merged had a new name:  New Wesley ME Church. In a 1926 news story, Belden Avenue Baptist Church, which was located at Belden Avenue and North Halsted, bought the old Wesley M. E. church property. This property was located  ½ block south of the baptist church on North Halsted Street. The baptist church was planning to remodel the old Wesley M.E. church and call it the Belden Avenue Baptist Church annex.  The Belden Avenue Baptist Church was built in 1888. The "new" annex was nearby. I think these buildings were torn down in the 1970s. I also found this: http://quarriesandbeyond.org/articles_and_books/stone_quarries_bedford.html Under Churches: Belden Avenue M. E. Church, Chicago, Ill. I have not found a church by this name so far. I wonder if it was actually the old Wesley M. E. Church? Debbie

Can anyone tell me what institutions (for the deaf, dumb, blind, mentally incompetent, ect.) existed in Chicago, circa 1870? And how ould I go about finding them in the 1870 census? Thanks, Janet C in NY

Barb, there is a Robert Kozlowski indexed on the Geneteka website, born 1876, whose parents were Valentine & Catharina...see Line 5 of this link (http://www.geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?rid=B&from_date=1870&to_date=1880&search_lastname=Kozlowsk&rpp2=50&rpp1=0&bdm=B&url1=&w=11pm&op=gt) and then hover your cursor over the yellow box on the right with the letter "i" inside, and it will show the names of the parents.   Ruth   ________________________________ From: Barb Pardol <barbp1220@att.net> To: COOK-CO-IL@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:14 AM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Kornatowski Family I may have missed the first portions of information on your family.  How do you know they changed their name?  Also is the St. Hedwig Church in the US or in Europe. Pat Hi Pat,   I'm not sure if they changed their name or not.  I know Robert Kozlowski is on the marriage license and church records - St. Hediwg Church in Chicago, IL.  Robert Wiedemann is listed on everything else - census, naturalization, WWI draft registration, etc.  Robert was born in Pehsken, Germany.  That town is now Piaseczno, Pomorskie, Poland.  There is a film available from the FHL, #531358, births from 1824 - 1876, Pehsken, Germany.  Guess my best bet is to order that film and see if I can find Robert - he was born Aug. 22, 1876.   Thanks, Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barb, Do keep in mind that some Polish immigrants did change their surnames, and they did not go to court to do it. Their motivation could have been as simple as the fact that their neighbors and co-workers could not pronounce or spell their names. Thus, an English surname was easily adopted. And this was done in the neighborhoods where they lived and not at Ellis Island. The stories about Ellis Island name changes are unfounded and undocumented, although many surnames were misspelled. In my Lewicki family research I found a Michigan obituary for my great grandmother which indicated that her brother William "Smith" lived in Minnesota. What?? That was confusing. But then we started locating the Smith family records which verified the change. In January 200 I was fortunate enough to locate his 90 year old daughter living in California, and I interviewed her by phone. The main question was, "Why did your Dad change his name?" She told me that her father Walenty Lewicki was sent to the U.S. with his sister (my great grandmother) because his family did not want him to be drafted into the Prussian army and have to go to war. (I already knew this from other family members.) But she then added, that he lived in fear that Prussian agents would come to the U.S. looking for him and send him back to his native land to be jailed for his offense. While we know this could not happen, he was an uneducated immigrant who did not speak English well. That helped to explain why he and his family moved so often and eventually landed in Minnesota. He wanted to make it difficult for any possible Prussian agents to locate him. He also changed his name to William Smith. Strange but true. Joseph Martin Romeoville, Illinois On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Barb Pardol <barbp1220@att.net> wrote: > I may have missed the first portions of information on your family. How do > you know they changed their name? Also is the St. Hedwig Church in the US > or in Europe. > > Pat > > Hi Pat, > > I'm not sure if they changed their name or not. I know Robert Kozlowski > is on the marriage license and church records - St. Hediwg Church in > Chicago, IL. Robert Wiedemann is listed on everything else - census, > naturalization, WWI draft registration, etc. Robert was born in Pehsken, > Germany. That town is now Piaseczno, Pomorskie, Poland. There is a film > available from the FHL, #531358, births from 1824 - 1876, Pehsken, > Germany. Guess my best bet is to order that film and see if I can find > Robert - he was born Aug. 22, 1876. > > Thanks, > Barb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- People are funny. They want the front of the bus, the middle of the road, and the back of the church.

I may have missed the first portions of information on your family.  How do you know they changed their name?  Also is the St. Hedwig Church in the US or in Europe. Pat Hi Pat,   I'm not sure if they changed their name or not.  I know Robert Kozlowski is on the marriage license and church records - St. Hediwg Church in Chicago, IL.  Robert Wiedemann is listed on everything else - census, naturalization, WWI draft registration, etc.  Robert was born in Pehsken, Germany.  That town is now Piaseczno, Pomorskie, Poland.  There is a film available from the FHL, #531358, births from 1824 - 1876, Pehsken, Germany.  Guess my best bet is to order that film and see if I can find Robert - he was born Aug. 22, 1876.   Thanks, Barb

I am looking for a photo of the Wesley Methodist Episcopal church that was on North Halsted in Chicago in the 1800s. I found a news story from 1886 saying the church was paid for. I don't know when it was built but I did not find it in the 1885 Chicago City Directory. My guess is that building started maybe 1885 and was finished that year or in 1886. In the1892 city directory the address was given as 1003-1009 N. Halsted. In 1900, it was listed as being located at N. Halsted between Belden and Webster Avenues. In 1923 the address was given as 2225 N. Halsted. In a 1925 news story, the Wesley ME church, located at 2225 North Halsted had merged with the Diversy ME church, which was located at Diversey Boulevard and Seminary Ave. The Wesley M.E. brick parsonage, located at 2229 Halsted and the church were going to be sold. The two churches that merged had a new name: New Wesley ME Church. In a 1926 news story, Belden Avenue Baptist Church, which was located at Belden Avenue and North Halsted, bought the old Wesley M. E. church property. This property was located ½ block south of the baptist church on North Halsted Street. The baptist church was planning to remodel the old Wesley M.E. church and call it the Belden Avenue Baptist Church annex. The Belden Avenue Baptist Church was built in 1888. The "new" annex was nearby. I think these buildings were torn down in the 1970s. I also found this: http://quarriesandbeyond.org/articles_and_books/stone_quarries_bedford.html Under Churches: Belden Avenue M. E. Church, Chicago, Ill. I have not found a church by this name so far. I wonder if it was actually the old Wesley M. E. Church? Debbie

Barb I may have missed the first portions of information on your family. How do you know they changed their name? Also is the St. Hedwig Church in the US or in Europe. Pat

Well it seems the IRS is doing something about the fraud - http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=253147,00.html?portlet=108 That's a good thing. Lisa > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Ellen Barr [mailto:ellen@barrfinancial.com] > I certainly agree with your comment. The IRS seems to be able to do > anything they truly WANT to do. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cook-co-il-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cook-co-il- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Lepore > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:07 PM > To: 'Lorac'; cook-co-il@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] SSDI situation explained please? > > Here's the short version - > > The social security data comes from the social security administration > records, which come from deaths reported to the social security > administration. > > The data file is called the US Master Death File. This index is produced > by the National Technical Information service of the US Dept. of Commerce. > It's primary use as I understand it is to prevent fraud. > Financial institutions use it to verify that a person opening an account or > borrowing money is not using the ss# of a dead person. > > Companies like Ancestry.com can also purchase this data. The product is > expensive, and there are as you know regular updates which must also be > purchased. The fact that ancestry.com removed the ssdi from rootsweb was a > business decision on their part. It may or may not be related to the > current goings on. > > The paid ancestry.com does have the SSDI, however, they have removed the > social security numbers. > Familysearch.org still includes the numbers and that is a free site. > Familytreelegends.com still includes the numbers, and is free, but it looks > like the data only goes through 2003 AmericanAncestors.org still includes > the numbers, and is free. This is the website of the NEHGS. > > pay sites: > Genealogybank.com has removed the numbers worldvitalrecords.com has removed > the numbers > > There are a few things going on with SSDI. First, the social security > administration decided not to release the parents' names on the SS-5 forms > that you can purchase from them, if the the deceased person is younger than > 100. > > Now there is a hearing tomorrow to remove the ssdi from the public. This > is an outcry caused by some criminals who apparently filed fraudulent tax > returns using the ssn's of deceased children. > > My question is why doesn't the IRS have a plan in place to prevent such > fraud? > > Go to http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/ > put ssdi in the search box and you will get lots of links and more > information. > > > That's it in a nutshell, > Lisa > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cook-co-il-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cook-co-il- > > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorac > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 11:46 AM > > To: cook-co-il@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] SSDI situation explained please? > > > > I hope someone can set me straight on the SSDI situation. On this > > website tis a.m. > > > > http://searches.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ssdi.html > > > > I found that you can no longer search. But, I also read on another > > list that PAID Ancestry will have it. > > Since Rootsweb is owned (?) by Ancestry and the House Ways and Means > > committee have not yet met, how does Ancestry (PAID) still will have > > the SSDI data? How/why does the government sell our data to a private > > company and they in turn sell it to us? I am not talking about the > > original applications, just the INDEX....who paid for the index? > > > > I've been off list for a while, so if all of this has been hashed out, > > someone please give me a short run down on what is happening... > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > ----- > 7. Re: A little OT: SSDI Access ( jazzdans@comcast.net ) > > > 8. Re: 1940 census clarification (Eliz Hanebury) > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:09:06 -0800 > > > From: " jazzdans@comcast.net " <jazzdans@comcast.net> > > > Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] A little OT: SSDI Access > > > To: " Kathleen Craine " <kac522@aol.com>, cook-co-il@rootsweb.com > > > Message-ID: <201202010308.q1138qQT024214@mail.rootsweb.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > > Gf > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > > > > > ----- Reply message ----- > > > From: "Kathleen Craine" <kac522@aol.com> > > > Date: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 5:14 pm > > > Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] A little OT: SSDI Access > > > To: <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > I received this message from another list. The House Ways & Means > > > Committee will be reviewing public access to the SSDI. > > > > > > Kathleen Craine > > > Chicago > > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > I feel the need to sidestep our usual communications and make sure > > > that all of you are aware of the issues we are facing about our > > > right to > > access > > > the SSDI - Social Security Death Index. As genealogists, I'm > > > guessing > our > > > 2 most often used tools are the census and the SSDI. Due to concerns > > about > > > identity theft, our government now thinks that a key way to fix this > > > problem is to deny the public's access to the SSDI. > > > > > > Many of us first became aware of this when we read an article by > > > Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak "Are We Going To Lose The SSDI?" > > > http://megansmolenyak.posterous.com/are-we-going-to-lose-the-social- > > security-deat > > > > > > We've now learned that the Ways and Means Committee is holding a > > > hearing on the SSDI this Thursday, Feb. 2, 2012. > > > http://waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=27 > > > 6834 > > > > > > NO genealogists are being allowed to be witnesses and testify at > > > this meeting! > > > http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.genealogy.jewish/201 > > > 2- > > 01/msg00346.html#.TyVbv31zUsc.twitter > > > > > > It is VERY important that we all start writing letters and submit > > > them > to > > > the Ways and Means Committee! In the link above about their meeting, > > > if you go down the page, you will find an area about how to submit > > > your letters to them. Follow the directions to the letter! > > > After you've submitted your letter to the above committee, please > > > also figure out who your Senator(s) are and send them a copy of your > > > letter > > > http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm > > > and > > do > > > the same with your Representative(s) > > > http://www.house.gov/representatives/ . The Senator and > > > Representative websites have searches on the top right to help you > > > figure out who represents you. (If possible, please send a letter or > > > a fax. A pile of papers on a politicians desk is going to have a > > > greater impact than a bunch of e-mails in their inbox. E-mailing is > > > better than doing nothing > > at > > > all, but if possible, don't have it be your first choice.) > > > > > > If you need some ideas for things you can put in your letter, check > > > out this list from RPAC

One possible explanation is political or legal. I had a rebellious Irish ancestor who got in trouble with the Brits in the early 20th century, came to America, and changed his name from English-sounding to Irish. His children knew his real name but were sworn not to reveal it. A family argument might explain a name change too. But surprising Robert would change from a Polish name to German unless he was working somewhere where Germans predominated and Poles got hassled. Lots of possibilities... Diane

Hello Barb, One day you will have this family all figured out. Then what will you do? Be advised that many immigrants did not recall correctly the name of the ship and/or the date of their arrival. What you read on the naturalization papers MIGHT be correct. Then again, it might not. My Anton Martin stated that he arrived in October 1892 in Baltimore with no ship named. I checked for him for a week on microfilm before online indexes and images were available - with no success. Then someone said, "Maybe he made an error or could not recall exactly so many years later when he was naturalized." Bingo!! He arrived in New York, and several days earlier than what he had given. Expand your search. Also know, I have several folks for whom no passenger record can be located. Apparently, some ship's lists have been lost over the years. Joseph Martin Romeoville, Illinois On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Barb Pardol <barbp1220@att.net> wrote: > I've been trying to figure this one out for some time - maybe someone has > an idea to help me. Marie Kornatowski and Robert Kozlowski were married at > St. Hedwig's on Jan. 7, 1913. Marriage license #616155 at > FamilySearch.org., also, St. Hedwig church records. Every document after > that event lists the family surname as Wiedemann - census, church records > for baptism of Chester (born Nov. 2, 1913) and Virginia (born Sept. 25, > 1915) at St. Hedwig, naturalization papers for Robert Wiedemann, and his > death certificate from Cook Co. He died July 14, 1930. The Kozlowski name > is only on the marriage record. Bruce Jones, Robert's grandson, has a > Family Tree on ancestry.com - enter Marie Kornatowski, birth 1889, > husband, Robert and the Jones Family Tree should come up. Great picture of > Robert and their marriage license. > Also, Robert states that he immigrated on the Kaiser Wilhelm II from > Bremen, arriving NY in November 1903. I have not been able to find either > Robert Wiedemann or Robert Kozlowski on a passenger list for the Kaiser > Wilhelm. Any ideas as to the different surname and passenger list will be > greatly appreciated. > Barb P. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- People are funny. They want the front of the bus, the middle of the road, and the back of the church.

I've been trying to figure this one out for some time - maybe someone has an idea to help me.  Marie Kornatowski and Robert Kozlowski were married at St. Hedwig's on Jan. 7, 1913.  Marriage license #616155 at FamilySearch.org., also, St. Hedwig church records.  Every document after that event lists the family surname as Wiedemann - census, church records for baptism of Chester (born Nov. 2, 1913) and Virginia (born Sept. 25, 1915) at St. Hedwig, naturalization papers for Robert Wiedemann, and his death certificate from Cook Co.  He died July 14, 1930.  The Kozlowski name is only on the marriage record.  Bruce Jones, Robert's grandson, has a Family Tree on ancestry.com - enter Marie Kornatowski, birth 1889, husband, Robert and the Jones Family Tree should come up.  Great picture of Robert and their marriage license.  Also, Robert states that he immigrated on the Kaiser Wilhelm II from Bremen, arriving NY in November 1903.  I have not been able to find either Robert Wiedemann or Robert Kozlowski  on a passenger list for the Kaiser Wilhelm.  Any ideas as to the different surname and passenger list will be greatly appreciated. Barb P. 

This is from the Blog - Ancestry Insider Joseph Martin Romeoville, Illinois Blogger Dinner: Help Index the 1940 Census<http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/AncestryInsider/%7E3/WPtk4Er9EsU/blogger-dinner-help-index-1940-census.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email> Posted: 02 Feb 2012 11:05 PM PST “A national service project is what we’re organizing,” said Don Anderson of FamilySearch. Archives.com, brightsolid, and FamilySearch sponsored a dinner for RootsTech bloggers Wednesday night and one subject was predominantly on their minds: 1940 census. Anderson is FamilySearch senior vice president of Patron Services. His support organization utilizes 250,000 volunteers, 110 phone lines, and provides 24x7 support anytime, anywhere in the world, and in any of 30 languages. The National Archives and Record Administration (NARA) will release the 1940 census to the public on 2 April 2012. I understand that images will be available immediately on www.archives.gov. (Archives.com<http://www.archives.com/>won the contract with NARA to host the images for them.) FamilySearch and its partners, Archives.com <http://www.archives.com/> and brightsolid, ( see “1940 Census Consortium<http://ancestryinsider.blogspot.com/2012/01/1940-census-consortium.html>”) will post images on their websites as quickly as possible. (My money is on Ancestry.com <http://www.ancestry.com/> beating them.) Then FamilySearch will engage its volunteers to begin the long task of indexing. They will need to add 100,000 indexers to complete the project, so they want everyone to sign up. (See https://familysearch.org/1940Census.) FamilySearch’s partners have provided funding as part of the partnership. “If we can use only volunteers,” said Anderson, “then the money will be used to produce more records.” Volunteers will be able to select batches of records from states of interest. Initially, only some states will be available, but eventually all states will be available. FamilySearch will publish completed state indexes once a month. -- People are funny. They want the front of the bus, the middle of the road, and the back of the church.

Not sure if there's a connection, but the end of the football season seems to coincide with new Who Do You Think You Are? episodes. The first is tomorrow (Friday), NBC, 7pm CST. Enjoy! Diane

Thank you Lisa for the link to Genealogybank.com and worldvitalrecords.com. I have never been interested in the S.S. numbers. Family Search.org I hope will keep up to date, I understand that they too have entered into some business dealings with Ancestry. So, perhaps that too will disappear. It seems like Ancestry will be the only game in town. I have been trying for years to get a credit card to stop using my mother's maiden name as a means of ID. So I can see both sides.. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@comcast.net> To: "'Lorac'" <radford2@bellsouth.net>; <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:06 PM Subject: RE: [COOK-CO-IL] SSDI situation explained please? > Here's the short version - > > The social security data comes from the social security administration > records, which > come from deaths reported to the social security administration. > > The data file is called the US Master Death File. This index is produced > by > the National > Technical Information service of the US Dept. of Commerce. It's primary > use > as I understand it is to prevent fraud. > Financial institutions use it to verify that a person opening an account > or > borrowing > money is not using the ss# of a dead person. > > Companies like Ancestry.com can also purchase this data. The product is > expensive, and there are > as you know regular updates which must also be purchased. The fact that > ancestry.com removed > the ssdi from rootsweb was a business decision on their part. It may or > may > not be related to > the current goings on. > > The paid ancestry.com does have the SSDI, however, they have removed the > social security numbers. > Familysearch.org still includes the numbers and that is a free site. > Familytreelegends.com still includes the numbers, and is free, but it > looks > like the data only goes through 2003 > AmericanAncestors.org still includes the numbers, and is free. This is > the > website of the NEHGS. > > pay sites: > Genealogybank.com has removed the numbers > worldvitalrecords.com has removed the numbers > > There are a few things going on with SSDI. First, the social security > administration decided not > to release the parents' names on the SS-5 forms that you can purchase from > them, if the the deceased > person is younger than 100. > > Now there is a hearing tomorrow to remove the ssdi from the public. This > is > an outcry caused by > some criminals who apparently filed fraudulent tax returns using the ssn's > of deceased children. > > My question is why doesn't the IRS have a plan in place to prevent such > fraud? > > Go to http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/ > put ssdi in the search box and you will get lots of links and more > information. > > > That's it in a nutshell, > Lisa

Here's the short version - The social security data comes from the social security administration records, which come from deaths reported to the social security administration. The data file is called the US Master Death File. This index is produced by the National Technical Information service of the US Dept. of Commerce. It's primary use as I understand it is to prevent fraud. Financial institutions use it to verify that a person opening an account or borrowing money is not using the ss# of a dead person. Companies like Ancestry.com can also purchase this data. The product is expensive, and there are as you know regular updates which must also be purchased. The fact that ancestry.com removed the ssdi from rootsweb was a business decision on their part. It may or may not be related to the current goings on. The paid ancestry.com does have the SSDI, however, they have removed the social security numbers. Familysearch.org still includes the numbers and that is a free site. Familytreelegends.com still includes the numbers, and is free, but it looks like the data only goes through 2003 AmericanAncestors.org still includes the numbers, and is free. This is the website of the NEHGS. pay sites: Genealogybank.com has removed the numbers worldvitalrecords.com has removed the numbers There are a few things going on with SSDI. First, the social security administration decided not to release the parents' names on the SS-5 forms that you can purchase from them, if the the deceased person is younger than 100. Now there is a hearing tomorrow to remove the ssdi from the public. This is an outcry caused by some criminals who apparently filed fraudulent tax returns using the ssn's of deceased children. My question is why doesn't the IRS have a plan in place to prevent such fraud? Go to http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/ put ssdi in the search box and you will get lots of links and more information. That's it in a nutshell, Lisa > -----Original Message----- > From: cook-co-il-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cook-co-il- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorac > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 11:46 AM > To: cook-co-il@rootsweb.com > Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] SSDI situation explained please? > > I hope someone can set me straight on the SSDI situation. On this website > tis a.m. > > http://searches.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ssdi.html > > I found that you can no longer search. But, I also read on another list > that PAID Ancestry will have it. > Since Rootsweb is owned (?) by Ancestry and the House Ways and Means > committee have not yet met, > how does Ancestry (PAID) still will have the SSDI data? How/why does the > government sell our data to a private company and they in turn sell it to > us? I am not talking about the original applications, just the > INDEX....who > paid for the index? > > I've been off list for a while, so if all of this has been hashed out, > someone please give me a short run down on what is happening... > > Carol > > > > > ----- > 7. Re: A little OT: SSDI Access ( jazzdans@comcast.net ) > > 8. Re: 1940 census clarification (Eliz Hanebury) > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:09:06 -0800 > > From: " jazzdans@comcast.net " <jazzdans@comcast.net> > > Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] A little OT: SSDI Access > > To: " Kathleen Craine " <kac522@aol.com>, cook-co-il@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <201202010308.q1138qQT024214@mail.rootsweb.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Gf > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > > > ----- Reply message ----- > > From: "Kathleen Craine" <kac522@aol.com> > > Date: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 5:14 pm > > Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] A little OT: SSDI Access > > To: <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com> > > > > I received this message from another list. The House Ways & Means > > Committee will be reviewing public access to the SSDI. > > > > Kathleen Craine > > Chicago > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > I feel the need to sidestep our usual communications and make sure that > > all of you are aware of the issues we are facing about our right to > access > > the SSDI - Social Security Death Index. As genealogists, I'm guessing our > > 2 most often used tools are the census and the SSDI. Due to concerns > about > > identity theft, our government now thinks that a key way to fix this > > problem is to deny the public's access to the SSDI. > > > > Many of us first became aware of this when we read an article by Megan > > Smolenyak Smolenyak "Are We Going To Lose The SSDI?" > > http://megansmolenyak.posterous.com/are-we-going-to-lose-the-social- > security-deat > > > > We've now learned that the Ways and Means Committee is holding a hearing > > on the SSDI this Thursday, Feb. 2, 2012. > > http://waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=276834 > > > > NO genealogists are being allowed to be witnesses and testify at this > > meeting! > > http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.genealogy.jewish/2012- > 01/msg00346.html#.TyVbv31zUsc.twitter > > > > It is VERY important that we all start writing letters and submit them to > > the Ways and Means Committee! In the link above about their meeting, if > > you go down the page, you will find an area about how to submit your > > letters to them. Follow the directions to the letter! > > After you've submitted your letter to the above committee, please also > > figure out who your Senator(s) are and send them a copy of your letter > > http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm and > do > > the same with your Representative(s) > > http://www.house.gov/representatives/ . The Senator and Representative > > websites have searches on the top right to help you figure out who > > represents you. (If possible, please send a letter or a fax. A pile of > > papers on a politicians desk is going to have a greater impact than a > > bunch of e-mails in their inbox. E-mailing is better than doing nothing > at > > all, but if possible, don't have it be your first choice.) > > > > If you need some ideas for things you can put in your letter, check out > > this list from RPAC > > http://www.fgs.org/rpac/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/talking-points-on-why- > genealogists-need-social-security-death-index-final.pdf > > If you need ideas on how to compose a letter, the CAFG is working on > > sample letters and will post them here: > > http://www.forensicgenealogists.com/Resources.html > > > > Judy Russell who is very well versed in the legal areas that affect > > genealogy has posted a great blog post here: > > www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/01/29/ssdi-call-to- > action/http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/01/29/ssdi-call-to-action/ > > It will give you some great info to get you started. > > > > To stay informed of this issue, you can check out Occupy Genealogy on > > facebook https://www.facebook.com/occupygenealogy or on their website > > http://www.occupygenealogy.com/action-center---your-help-needed.html > > > > Remember the old saying "The squeaky wheel gets the oil"? Now is the time > > to start squeaking! Please be sure your voice is heard and get those > > letters submitted ASAP! > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

SSDI is meant to be available to all credit agencies to prevent fraud by someone using the SS of a deceased person. There is some miss use of it, mostly that credit providers don't check it. The new push to prevent people from using it is from the parents of some teenagers whose SS was used to apply for credit and run it up and suddenly the parents were getting collection calls. You can imagine how upset they got. But once again the legislators are throwing the baby out with the bath water. Eliz On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Lorac <radford2@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I hope someone can set me straight on the SSDI situation.  On this website > tis a.m. > > http://searches.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ssdi.html > > I found that you can no longer search.  But, I also read on another list > that PAID Ancestry will have it. > Since Rootsweb is owned (?) by Ancestry and the House Ways and Means > committee have not yet met, > how does Ancestry (PAID) still will have the SSDI data?  How/why does the > government sell our data to a private company and they in turn sell it  to > us?  I am not talking about the original applications, just the INDEX....who > paid for the index? > > I've been off list for a while, so if all of this has been hashed out, > someone please give me a short run down on what is happening... > > Carol > > > > > ----- >   7. Re: A little OT: SSDI Access ( jazzdans@comcast.net ) >>   8. Re: 1940 census clarification (Eliz Hanebury) >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:09:06 -0800 >> From: " jazzdans@comcast.net " <jazzdans@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] A little OT: SSDI Access >> To: " Kathleen Craine " <kac522@aol.com>, cook-co-il@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <201202010308.q1138qQT024214@mail.rootsweb.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Gf >> >> Sent from  my Verizon Wireless Phone >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Kathleen Craine" <kac522@aol.com> >> Date: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 5:14 pm >> Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] A little OT: SSDI Access >> To: <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com> >> >> I received this message from another list.  The House Ways & Means >> Committee will be reviewing public access to the SSDI. >> >> Kathleen Craine >> Chicago >> >> -------------------------------- >> >> I feel the need to sidestep our usual communications and make sure that >> all of you are aware of the issues we are facing about our right to access >> the SSDI - Social Security Death Index. As genealogists, I'm guessing our >> 2 most often used tools are the census and the SSDI. Due to concerns about >> identity theft, our government now thinks that a key way to fix this >> problem is to deny the public's access to the SSDI. >> >> Many of us first became aware of this when we read an article by Megan >> Smolenyak Smolenyak "Are We Going To Lose The SSDI?" >> http://megansmolenyak.posterous.com/are-we-going-to-lose-the-social-security-deat >> >> We've now learned that the Ways and Means Committee is holding a hearing >> on the SSDI this Thursday, Feb. 2, 2012. >> http://waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=276834 >> >> NO genealogists are being allowed to be witnesses and testify at this >> meeting! >> http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.genealogy.jewish/2012-01/msg00346.html#.TyVbv31zUsc.twitter >> >> It is VERY important that we all start writing letters and submit them to >> the Ways and Means Committee! In the link above about their meeting, if >> you go down the page, you will find an area about how to submit your >> letters to them. Follow the directions to the letter! >> After you've submitted your letter to the above committee, please also >> figure out who your Senator(s) are and send them a copy of your letter >> http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm  and do >> the same with your Representative(s) >> http://www.house.gov/representatives/ . The Senator and Representative >> websites have searches on the top right to help you figure out who >> represents you. (If possible, please send a letter or a fax. A pile of >> papers on a politicians desk is going to have a greater impact than a >> bunch of e-mails in their inbox. E-mailing is better than doing nothing at >> all, but if possible, don't have it be your first choice.) >> >> If you need some ideas for things you can put in your letter, check out >> this list from RPAC >> http://www.fgs.org/rpac/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/talking-points-on-why-genealogists-need-social-security-death-index-final.pdf >> If you need ideas on how to compose a letter, the CAFG is working on >> sample letters and will post them here: >> http://www.forensicgenealogists.com/Resources.html >> >> Judy Russell who is very well versed in the legal areas that affect >> genealogy has posted a great blog post here: >> www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/01/29/ssdi-call-to-action/http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/01/29/ssdi-call-to-action/ >> It will give you some great info to get you started. >> >> To stay informed of this issue, you can check out Occupy Genealogy on >> facebook https://www.facebook.com/occupygenealogy or on their website >> http://www.occupygenealogy.com/action-center---your-help-needed.html >> >> Remember the old saying "The squeaky wheel gets the oil"? Now is the time >> to start squeaking! Please be sure your voice is heard and get those >> letters submitted ASAP! >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ancestry has the information until the committee meets. Then, depending on what the committee decides, Ancestry may or may not continue to have access. It comes down to a conflict between those who want to trace their ancestors and those who are very worried about identity theft. Seems like a good compromise would be to withhold information on deaths for 10 or 20 years. Diane

Actually, one of the bills before Congress will completely suppress the SSDI from the public. There is no room for any compromise in that Bill. Joseph Martin Romeoville, Illinois On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM, <DLCulhane@cs.com> wrote: > Ancestry has the information until the committee meets. Then, depending on > what the committee decides, Ancestry may or may not continue to have > access. > It comes down to a conflict between those who want to trace their ancestors > and those who are very worried about identity theft. Seems like a good > compromise would be to withhold information on deaths for 10 or 20 years. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- People are funny. They want the front of the bus, the middle of the road, and the back of the church.

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I hope someone can set me straight on the SSDI situation. On this website tis a.m. http://searches.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ssdi.html I found that you can no longer search. But, I also read on another list that PAID Ancestry will have it. Since Rootsweb is owned (?) by Ancestry and the House Ways and Means committee have not yet met, how does Ancestry (PAID) still will have the SSDI data? How/why does the government sell our data to a private company and they in turn sell it to us? I am not talking about the original applications, just the INDEX....who paid for the index? I've been off list for a while, so if all of this has been hashed out, someone please give me a short run down on what is happening... Carol ----- > 7. Re: A little OT: SSDI Access ( jazzdans@comcast.net ) > 8. Re: 1940 census clarification (Eliz Hanebury) > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:09:06 -0800 > From: " jazzdans@comcast.net " <jazzdans@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] A little OT: SSDI Access > To: " Kathleen Craine " <kac522@aol.com>, cook-co-il@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201202010308.q1138qQT024214@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Gf > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Kathleen Craine" <kac522@aol.com> > Date: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 5:14 pm > Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] A little OT: SSDI Access > To: <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com> > > I received this message from another list. The House Ways & Means > Committee will be reviewing public access to the SSDI. > > Kathleen Craine > Chicago > > -------------------------------- > > I feel the need to sidestep our usual communications and make sure that > all of you are aware of the issues we are facing about our right to access > the SSDI - Social Security Death Index. As genealogists, I'm guessing our > 2 most often used tools are the census and the SSDI. Due to concerns about > identity theft, our government now thinks that a key way to fix this > problem is to deny the public's access to the SSDI. > > Many of us first became aware of this when we read an article by Megan > Smolenyak Smolenyak "Are We Going To Lose The SSDI?" > http://megansmolenyak.posterous.com/are-we-going-to-lose-the-social-security-deat > > We've now learned that the Ways and Means Committee is holding a hearing > on the SSDI this Thursday, Feb. 2, 2012. > http://waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=276834 > > NO genealogists are being allowed to be witnesses and testify at this > meeting! > http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.genealogy.jewish/2012-01/msg00346.html#.TyVbv31zUsc.twitter > > It is VERY important that we all start writing letters and submit them to > the Ways and Means Committee! In the link above about their meeting, if > you go down the page, you will find an area about how to submit your > letters to them. Follow the directions to the letter! > After you've submitted your letter to the above committee, please also > figure out who your Senator(s) are and send them a copy of your letter > http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm and do > the same with your Representative(s) > http://www.house.gov/representatives/ . The Senator and Representative > websites have searches on the top right to help you figure out who > represents you. (If possible, please send a letter or a fax. A pile of > papers on a politicians desk is going to have a greater impact than a > bunch of e-mails in their inbox. E-mailing is better than doing nothing at > all, but if possible, don't have it be your first choice.) > > If you need some ideas for things you can put in your letter, check out > this list from RPAC > http://www.fgs.org/rpac/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/talking-points-on-why-genealogists-need-social-security-death-index-final.pdf > If you need ideas on how to compose a letter, the CAFG is working on > sample letters and will post them here: > http://www.forensicgenealogists.com/Resources.html > > Judy Russell who is very well versed in the legal areas that affect > genealogy has posted a great blog post here: > www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/01/29/ssdi-call-to-action/http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/01/29/ssdi-call-to-action/ > It will give you some great info to get you started. > > To stay informed of this issue, you can check out Occupy Genealogy on > facebook https://www.facebook.com/occupygenealogy or on their website > http://www.occupygenealogy.com/action-center---your-help-needed.html > > Remember the old saying "The squeaky wheel gets the oil"? Now is the time > to start squeaking! Please be sure your voice is heard and get those > letters submitted ASAP! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >