I sent the form for service records and received a reply with the box checked -  No. Unabel to locate the file requested.  I know that there should be a record.  Is there any way to find these service records besides the NARA?  Any suggestions?  Linda in North  Aurora

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Thank you Joyce & Janet!   Ruth ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Ruth Susmarski <rususmar@yahoo.com> To: Cook County <COOK-CO-IL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Request for 1930 Census Image - STANLEY KAIN & Family Would someone please be able to send me the 1930 Census image for the following family living in Chicago?   Stanley Kain - Head, age 31 Mary Kain - Wife, age 32 Henry Kain - Son, age 14 Sophie Kain - Daughter, age 11 Rita Kain - Daughter, age 5 Robert Kain - Son, age 4 Wanda Kain - Daughter, age 0 Anton Kwasiborski - Father-In-Law, age 73 Sophie Kwasiborski - Mother-In-Law, age 72   THANKS! Ruth "The life of the dead is placed in the memory of the living." - Cicero ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would someone please be able to send me the 1930 Census image for the following family living in Chicago?   Stanley Kain - Head, age 31 Mary Kain - Wife, age 32 Henry Kain - Son, age 14 Sophie Kain - Daughter, age 11 Rita Kain - Daughter, age 5 Robert Kain - Son, age 4 Wanda Kain - Daughter, age 0 Anton Kwasiborski - Father-In-Law, age 73 Sophie Kwasiborski - Mother-In-Law, age 72   THANKS! Ruth "The life of the dead is placed in the memory of the living." - Cicero

I've "rescued" an old photograph of Oscar ANDERSON which was taken at the Stevens Studio in Chicago, Illinois. The photograph appears to have been taken in the mid 1880's with Oscar likely in his teens at the time the photograph was taken. I am hoping to locate someone from this family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to the care of family. If you are a member of this ANDERSON Family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

Hello List, A fellow genealogist friend has been trying to send to the list and it hasn't worked, so I am sending this from my computer. Hope it comes through o.k. You can answer him back directly at jimtough@olympus.net Thanks, Karen -----Original Message----- From: Jim Tough Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 4:49 PM To: Karen Niemi Subject: help Would someone please look up an obit for MARY POEHLER, died Jan 12 1881 in Chicago. Thanks J.T. in Port Townsend WA

A good place to start is to download, "Your House Has A History - City of Chicago". Your can find it with a Google search. Frank in Chicago -----Original Message----- From: <cook-co-il-request@rootsweb.com> Sent 3/8/2012 2:01:10 AM To: cook-co-il@rootsweb.com Subject: COOK-CO-IL Digest, Vol 7, Issue 42 Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:34:14 +0000 (UTC) From: gainebyrne@comcast.net Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Chicago land and property records To: Cook County list <COOK-CO-IL-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <545698264.467190.1331138054988.JavaMail.root@sz0023a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Has anyone had experience at researching land and property records for Chicago? The way I understand it is thus: Start with a legal description of the property. A street address is not enough. Naturally, I will be going through the city directories. I t's possible I will not find an address there. Other possible sources for a street address?are probate and divorce records. We know the family had a house in Chicago, but we don't know where. They were wealthy, but we don't even know a neighborhood. We do not know when they bought it or sold it. We don't know if they had it built or bought an existing house. I know that?we would get the legal description from the county treasurer's office, the county clerk's office, or the city of Chicago Bureau of Maps and Plats. Once we have the legal description, we take that to the Tract Dept at the Recorder of Deeds. The tract books contain information on the property. Of course, this will involve reading, studying, copying and money. The whole process is covered in "Chicago & Cook County A Guide to Research" by Loretto Dennis Szucs. There are also some films through LDS. I don't know how helpful they will be. https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=250395&disp=Burned+record+series+books%2C+1871-193%20%20&columns=*,0,0 Anyone have any advice on how to handle this? I plan on using the book as a guide, but does anyone have any personal experience with this? Good? Bad? How long did it take? That kind of thing. I imagine this will be a lengthy process, but if we achieve success, that is what's important. Debbie ------------------------------

I once looked up the property in Chicago where my grandparents lived, to see who owned the found. Apparently my grandfather owned it, as there was ONE document with his name on it in the whole file. He had gotten a second mortgage. No initial purchase, no first mortgage, no sale of the property by him or my grandmother in the file. David T Buzzek You cannot soar with the eagles during the day if you hoot with the owls at night! --- On Thu, 3/8/12, Don Krieger <akadonnew@verizon.net> wrote: > From: Don Krieger <akadonnew@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Chicago land and property records > To: cook-co-il@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, March 8, 2012, 8:00 AM > >     It's definitely worth the effort to learn how > to search these books since >    they almost certainly document all > property transactions (and much more) >    from the time that the county came into > existence to the present.  One >    detail that you occasionally find is a > death date.  If a  person dies whose >    is a property owner, that person's death > must be proved to the Register of >    Deeds before the title to his/her property > can be transferred. Hence the >    recording of the deed transfer will > include at least the date of death and >    may in some instances include a death > certificate. >    Here in Allegheny County (PA), there are 3 > sets of books.  The largest set >    contains  copies of the deeds in > numeric order by book number and page >    number.  The other 2 sets are > indices, "direct" and "ab sectum."  The direct >    index books list all recordings by the > name of the "grantor."  The grantor >    is the person(s) who hold the current > deed.  The ab sectum index books list >    all recordings by the name of the > "grantee."  The grantee is the person(s) >    to whom the deed is being assigned.  > Each entry in both sets if index books >    shows the names of all of the grantors, > grantees, and the book and page >    number where the deed may be found. >    Here the index books are in groups > covering a modest time span, typically 11 >    years for the more recent time blocks and > longer spans for the earlier >    ones.  Both the indices and deed > books fully cover all years back to 1788 >    when Allegheny County was created.  > The index books here are not strictly >    alphabetical, but rather the Russell Index > system is used.  That is the >    system which includes the Soundex codes; > it was invented here in Pittsburgh >    so we find it everywhere whereas you may > not. >    I hope this is helpful.  By the way, > the mortgages are indexed and organized >    in a comparable way in the same offices. >    Don >    [1]http://www.DonsList.net - Always free, > always fast >    [2]http://New.DonsList.net - Recently added > >    On 03/08/12, Bart Hansen<vestby@gmail.com> > wrote: > >    Kim mentioned the basement and the sets of > books. I went there about six >    years ago and found the whole process > somewhat difficult. The room was >    swarming with para-legals and, according > to one I spoke with, crooks looking >    to find properties to sell that they don't > own. >    But if you can master the system of back > and forth lookups between two sets >    of ledger books you can find a property's > history. I think the secret is >    trying to charm one of the clerks into > giving you more than a 10 second >    explanation of the system. >    It is fun, though, to find the histories > of where your ancestors lived, for >    how long and whether they owned or rented > the houses. >    Bart >    ------------------------------- >    To   unsubscribe   from   the   list,   please   send   an   email  > to >    [3]COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >    quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > References > >    1. http://www.DonsList.net/ >    2. http://New.DonsList.net/ >    3. mailto:COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Kim mentioned the basement and the sets of books. I went there about six years ago and found the whole process somewhat difficult. The room was swarming with para-legals and, according to one I spoke with, crooks looking to find properties to sell that they don't own. But if you can master the system of back and forth lookups between two sets of ledger books you can find a property's history. I think the secret is trying to charm one of the clerks into giving you more than a 10 second explanation of the system. It is fun, though, to find the histories of where your ancestors lived, for how long and whether they owned or rented the houses. Bart

It's definitely worth the effort to learn how to search these books since they almost certainly document all property transactions (and much more) from the time that the county came into existence to the present. One detail that you occasionally find is a death date. If a person dies whose is a property owner, that person's death must be proved to the Register of Deeds before the title to his/her property can be transferred. Hence the recording of the deed transfer will include at least the date of death and may in some instances include a death certificate. Here in Allegheny County (PA), there are 3 sets of books. The largest set contains copies of the deeds in numeric order by book number and page number. The other 2 sets are indices, "direct" and "ab sectum." The direct index books list all recordings by the name of the "grantor." The grantor is the person(s) who hold the current deed. The ab sectum index books list all recordings by the name of the "grantee." The grantee is the person(s) to whom the deed is being assigned. Each entry in both sets if index books shows the names of all of the grantors, grantees, and the book and page number where the deed may be found. Here the index books are in groups covering a modest time span, typically 11 years for the more recent time blocks and longer spans for the earlier ones. Both the indices and deed books fully cover all years back to 1788 when Allegheny County was created. The index books here are not strictly alphabetical, but rather the Russell Index system is used. That is the system which includes the Soundex codes; it was invented here in Pittsburgh so we find it everywhere whereas you may not. I hope this is helpful. By the way, the mortgages are indexed and organized in a comparable way in the same offices. Don [1]http://www.DonsList.net - Always free, always fast [2]http://New.DonsList.net - Recently added On 03/08/12, Bart Hansen<vestby@gmail.com> wrote: Kim mentioned the basement and the sets of books. I went there about six years ago and found the whole process somewhat difficult. The room was swarming with para-legals and, according to one I spoke with, crooks looking to find properties to sell that they don't own. But if you can master the system of back and forth lookups between two sets of ledger books you can find a property's history. I think the secret is trying to charm one of the clerks into giving you more than a 10 second explanation of the system. It is fun, though, to find the histories of where your ancestors lived, for how long and whether they owned or rented the houses. Bart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [3]COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.DonsList.net/ 2. http://New.DonsList.net/ 3. mailto:COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com

Got this on Facebook. Lake was annexed into the city of Chicago in 1889.  City Directory for the Town of Lake 1886 http://libsysdigi.library.uiuc.edu/oca/Books2007-10/townoflakedirect00rrdo/townoflakedirect00rrdo.pdf Debbie

Has anyone had experience at researching land and property records for Chicago? The way I understand it is thus: Start with a legal description of the property. A street address is not enough. Naturally, I will be going through the city directories. I t's possible I will not find an address there. Other possible sources for a street address are probate and divorce records. We know the family had a house in Chicago, but we don't know where. They were wealthy, but we don't even know a neighborhood. We do not know when they bought it or sold it. We don't know if they had it built or bought an existing house. I know that we would get the legal description from the county treasurer's office, the county clerk's office, or the city of Chicago Bureau of Maps and Plats. Once we have the legal description, we take that to the Tract Dept at the Recorder of Deeds. The tract books contain information on the property. Of course, this will involve reading, studying, copying and money. The whole process is covered in "Chicago & Cook County A Guide to Research" by Loretto Dennis Szucs. There are also some films through LDS. I don't know how helpful they will be. https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=250395&disp=Burned+record+series+books%2C+1871-193%20%20&columns=*,0,0 Anyone have any advice on how to handle this? I plan on using the book as a guide, but does anyone have any personal experience with this? Good? Bad? How long did it take? That kind of thing. I imagine this will be a lengthy process, but if we achieve success, that is what's important. Debbie

I've had experience with this and it's really not that difficult or expensive. You do need the legal description but you can usually get that once you have an address. I'm not sure what years you are looking at but some ways to get the address is through the census, directories and court records (as you mentioned). Once you have the correct address (don't forget about the street name and address changes in the early 1900's), you can try to get the legal description through the Cook County Gov site. If that doesn't work, then you can go to the Cook County Building 3rd floor and usually get it there. I don't purchase the papers/photocopies but write the legal description down once they find it. Take that to the basement of the bldg and if you don't know how to use the books (some referencing of one book to the other), you can ask someone for help. They are usually pretty friendly. If you go on a Friday and if they are not busy, they are usually in a good mood due to the upcoming weekend. At least that has been my experience. The copies are inexpensive, I believe $.50 a page and you will most likely only have a few pages from the tract book but all the transactions should be listed on that page. If you want the documents that the tract page are referencing, then that is a whole different extended process and more expensive. I've only done that once so I'm not that familiar with the process. But I do recall having to go from room to room in the basement to have people look up different items/numbers and then looking them up on microfilm and going back upstairs to pay for everything. Hope this helps. Kim -----Original Message----- From: cook-co-il-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cook-co-il-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gainebyrne@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 10:34 AM To: Cook County list Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Chicago land and property records Has anyone had experience at researching land and property records for Chicago? The way I understand it is thus: Start with a legal description of the property. A street address is not enough. Naturally, I will be going through the city directories. I t's possible I will not find an address there. Other possible sources for a street address are probate and divorce records. We know the family had a house in Chicago, but we don't know where. They were wealthy, but we don't even know a neighborhood. We do not know when they bought it or sold it. We don't know if they had it built or bought an existing house. I know that we would get the legal description from the county treasurer's office, the county clerk's office, or the city of Chicago Bureau of Maps and Plats. Once we have the legal description, we take that to the Tract Dept at the Recorder of Deeds. The tract books contain information on the property. Of course, this will involve reading, studying, copying and money. The whole process is covered in "Chicago & Cook County A Guide to Research" by Loretto Dennis Szucs. There are also some films through LDS. I don't know how helpful they will be. https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=250395&disp=Burned+record+series+books%2C+1871-193%20%20&columns=*,0,0 Anyone have any advice on how to handle this? I plan on using the book as a guide, but does anyone have any personal experience with this? Good? Bad? How long did it take? That kind of thing. I imagine this will be a lengthy process, but if we achieve success, that is what's important. Debbie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Cook County Recorder has an excellent site with search at http://www.ccrd.info/CCRD/il031/index.jsp The index appears to run from 1985 to the present and includes a wide variety of document types including deeds, mortgages, and wills. You can search by name, document number, or, as you suggest, by property description. It looks like a lot of the documents themselves are also online although you probably have to pay. Here we have a similar system and the charge is $1/page. In my experiences here in Allegheny County, PA, if you want to search further back, you must go to the recorder's office or have someone do it for you. It's almost a sure thing that they have both indices and copies of the original documents for deeds, mortgages, and wills going back to the moment when Cook County was created as a legal entity. Here that is 1788. Unfortunately, in most places the Recorder's office does not typically provide a search service since commercial entities are constantly doing searches of their records to validate property titles and to track deadbeats. Wills offices and prothonotaries often do provide such services but for deeds, you have to go there or pay someone - usually. Don [1]http://www.DonsList.net - Always free, always fast [2]http://New.DonsList.net - Recently added On 03/07/12, gainebyrne@comcast.net wrote: Has anyone had experience at researching land and property records for Chicago? The way I understand it is thus: Start with a legal description of the property. A street address is not enough. Naturally, I will be going through the city directories. I t's possible I will not find an address there. Other possible sources for a street address are probate and divorce records. We know the family had a house in Chicago, but we don't know where. They were wealthy, but we don't even know a neighborhood. We do not know when they bought it or sold it. We don't know if they had it built or bought an existing house. I know that we would get the legal description from the county treasurer's office, the county clerk's office, or the city of Chicago Bureau of Maps and Plats. Once we have the legal description, we take that to the Tract Dept at the Recorder of Deeds. The tract books contain information on the property. Of course, this will involve reading, studying, copying and money. The whole process is covered in "Chicago & Cook County A Guide to Research" by Loretto Dennis Szucs. There are also some films through LDS. I don't know how helpful they will be. [3]https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp ?display=titledetails&titleno=250395&disp=Burned+record+series+books%2C+1871 -193%20%20&columns=*,0,0 Anyone have any advice on how to handle this? I plan on using the book as a guide, but does anyone have any personal experience with this? Good? Bad? How long did it take? That kind of thing. I imagine this will be a lengthy process, but if we achieve success, that is what's important. Debbie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.DonsList.net/ 2. http://New.DonsList.net/ 3. https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=250395&disp=Burned+record+series+books%2C+1871-193%20%20&columns=*,0,0 4. mailto:COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com

Thank you Eliz. I shall look for his widow in the voters books and that may give me the information. Sheila. On 3/3/2012 22:58, Eliz Hanebury wrote: > None of mine were naturalized in Chicago (Cleveland and Youngstown > Ohio) but I found the information in the 1888 -92 Voters books at > Ancestry. And still I don't check them enough<G> > > > > Eliz > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Pentlands<fmckinnear@sky.com> wrote: >>

If anyone has access, I would appreciate a copy of the Obituary and Death certificate for the following person. They are ancestors that I am trying to get a history on, and get in touch with. Robert E. Poindester b. 2-15-1915, d. 11-4-1991 Died in LaGrange IL, and buried in Chapel Hill Garden, Garden of Masonic in Oak Brook Terrace, IL. Robert lived in LaGrange IL. Jewel B. Williamson-Poindexter, 1st wife of Robert Poindexter b. 8-22-1913 d. 9-22-1971 Died in LaGrange IL, and buried in Chapel Hill Garden, Garden of Masonic in Oak Brook Terrace, IL. Jewel lived in LaGrange IL. Ann Wayne Poindexter, 2nd wife of Robert Poindexter Died in LaGrange IL, and buried in Chapel Hill Garden, in Oak Brook Terrace, IL. Ann lived in LaGrange IL. Would appreciate being able to communicate with any living relatives of the Poindexters if anyone has that information. Thanks Lew Coleman San Gabriel, CA

Sorry, women did not vote then, I didn't realize he had died before then. Eliz On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Pentlands <fmckinnear@sky.com> wrote: > Thank you Eliz. I shall look for his widow in the voters books and that may > give me the information. > > Sheila. > > > > > > > On 3/3/2012 22:58, Eliz Hanebury wrote: >> >> None of mine were naturalized in Chicago (Cleveland and Youngstown >> Ohio) but I found the information in the 1888 -92 Voters books at >> Ancestry. And still I don't check them enough<G> >> >> >> >> Eliz >> >> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Pentlands<fmckinnear@sky.com>  wrote: >>> >>> >

Thanks to all who posted helps for naturalization papers. I greatly appreciated it. Armed with that info I'm sure I will be able to find them. Keep digging. Janet

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackye Sullins" <jsullins@roadrunner.com> To: "'marysnow'" <marysnow@bellsouth.net>; <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com>; <il-cook-chicago@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Online Naturalization Database Thanks. I have the soundex card with the certificate number. I wanted to look at the site to see if the declaration was there and what it might say. Jackye > > Another resource; the soundex card gives the certificate number to use in > ordering the papers through the Cook County Clerk's Declaration of Intent > site How to Order link. > Soundex Illinois, Northern District Naturalization Index, 1840-1950 > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://familysearch.or > g/searchapi/search/collection/1838804 > > Mary > > --- On Sat, 3/3/12, Jackye Sullins <jsullins@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks! Glad it's not just > > me. I started trying yesterday afternoon. It WOULD be nice if they > > were adding records but I won't hold my breath. LOL > > > > Jackye > > > > > It doesn't seem to be working right now. It happens > > from time to time. > > Hope > > > that means more records are being added. > > It was available yesterday. > > > http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/NR/default.aspx > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for all your help. Just wanted to let everyone know that the site it back up. Found my guy misspelled by using his address from about the time he applied. Jackye Sullins