Does anyone on the list have access to a street map of Chicago in the 1870's? My great, great grandparents, John Carney and Mary Duffy, had a son, Patrick William Kearney, who died at age 3 in 1879. The death certificate lists the address as N.E. Corner of Halstad at Hastings. When I look at today's map, I see that Hastings Street doesn't connect with Halstad. Pat Pat Spears 678-404-5862 (home phone) spearspat.blogspot.com (my genealogy blog)

Pat, I found the following University of Chicago website with 1870s maps available: http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/lib/public/full_screen.html?http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chifire/G4104-C6-1872-B5/ Look for Blue Island Ave running at a diag sw to ne to help you find Hastings. I don't see an intersection with Halstad. It looks like Hastings ends a couple of blocks East of Halstad or that Hastings is renamed to Maxwell after the intersection with Blue Island Ave. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Spears" <spearspat@hotmail.com> To: <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Hastings at Halstad Does anyone on the list have access to a street map of Chicago in the 1870's? My great, great grandparents, John Carney and Mary Duffy, had a son, Patrick William Kearney, who died at age 3 in 1879. The death certificate lists the address as N.E. Corner of Halstad at Hastings. When I look at today's map, I see that Hastings Street doesn't connect with Halstad. Pat Pat Spears 678-404-5862 (home phone) spearspat.blogspot.com (my genealogy blog) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi Diane, Thank you very much for that, it is much appreciated. REGARDS, SEAN To: seanroche1@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] ROCHE family in CHICAGO, COOK From: dlculhane@cs.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:49:42 -0400 Sean, here's Mary's 1943 obit with several more children. Looks like Patrick was still alive then. Diane Chicago Tribune (IL) - September 26, 1943 ROCHE Deceased Name: Mary Roche, nee Hawthorne Mary Roche, nee Hawthorne, age 49, beloved wife of Patrick Roche, fond mother of Brendan, Richard, John, Phillip, Paul, and Patricia, sister of Mrs. N. J. Clarke, Mrs. Anna Mulligan, and Patrick J. Hawthorne. Resting at funeral home, 207 N. Vail avenue, Arlington Heights. Services 9:30 a.m., Tuesday, Sept. 28, 1943, at St. James church, Arlington Heights. Interment Calvary. -----Original Message----- From: sean roche <seanroche1@hotmail.com> To: cook-co-il <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2012 4:21 am Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] ROCHE family in CHICAGO, COOK hi, My grandfathers siblings emigrated to the US in the early 1900s, arriving at Ellis Island. One of them, Patrick, appears to have settled in CHICAGO - I am hoping someone recognises the family from this US Census return. United States Census, 1930 for Patrick J Roche Name: Patrick J Roche Event: CENSUS Event Date: 1930 Event Place: Chicago (Districts 1751-1976), Cook, Illinois Gender: Male Age: 47 Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1905 Household Gender Age Patrick J Roche M 47 Spouse Mary Roche F 37 Child Brendan Roche M 9 Child Richard Roche M 7 Child John P Roche M 5 In 1921 the family were living at MILLAR STREET, Chicago, Illinois. I wonder if any of the family still live there ?? Does this address still exist as a residential district ?? Thank you in advance for any help or leads in tracing descendants of this family. REGARDS, SEAN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I sent Sean Mary's 1943 Trib obit but can't find one for Patrick J. and can't access ProQuest or Ancestry SSDI from home. Can someone find his death after 1943? Diane -----Original Message----- From: sean roche <seanroche1@hotmail.com> To: cook-co-il <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2012 4:21 am Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] ROCHE family in CHICAGO, COOK hi, My grandfathers siblings emigrated to the US in the early 1900s, arriving at Ellis Island. One of them, Patrick, appears to have settled in CHICAGO - I am hoping someone recognises the family from this US Census return. United States Census, 1930 for Patrick J Roche Name: Patrick J Roche Event: CENSUS Event Date: 1930 Event Place: Chicago (Districts 1751-1976), Cook, Illinois Gender: Male Age: 47 Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1905 Household Gender Age Patrick J Roche M 47 Spouse Mary Roche F 37 Child Brendan Roche M 9 Child Richard Roche M 7 Child John P Roche M 5 In 1921 the family were living at MILLAR STREET, Chicago, Illinois. I wonder if any of the family still live there ?? Does this address still exist as a residential district ?? Thank you in advance for any help or leads in tracing descendants of this family. REGARDS, SEAN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi, My grandfathers siblings emigrated to the US in the early 1900s, arriving at Ellis Island. One of them, Patrick, appears to have settled in CHICAGO - I am hoping someone recognises the family from this US Census return. United States Census, 1930 for Patrick J Roche Name: Patrick J Roche Event: CENSUS Event Date: 1930 Event Place: Chicago (Districts 1751-1976), Cook, Illinois Gender: Male Age: 47 Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1905 Household Gender Age Patrick J Roche M 47 Spouse Mary Roche F 37 Child Brendan Roche M 9 Child Richard Roche M 7 Child John P Roche M 5 In 1921 the family were living at MILLAR STREET, Chicago, Illinois. I wonder if any of the family still live there ?? Does this address still exist as a residential district ?? Thank you in advance for any help or leads in tracing descendants of this family. REGARDS, SEAN

There seem to be several by this name. Try: www.pgsa.org It's the Polish Genealogical Soc. of Amer. and there is a link near the bottom for the SSDI. Type his name into the search and you should be able to determine which one is yours. Toni H. St. Peters, MO ________________________________ From: "dlculhane@cs.com" <dlculhane@cs.com> To: seanroche1@hotmail.com; cook-co-il@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, April 26, 2012 9:37:12 AM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] ROCHE family in CHICAGO, COOK I sent Sean Mary's 1943 Trib obit but can't find one for Patrick J. and can't access ProQuest or Ancestry SSDI from home. Can someone find his death after 1943? Diane -----Original Message----- From: sean roche <seanroche1@hotmail.com> To: cook-co-il <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2012 4:21 am Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] ROCHE family in CHICAGO, COOK hi, My grandfathers siblings emigrated to the US in the early 1900s, arriving at Ellis Island. One of them, Patrick, appears to have settled in CHICAGO - I am hoping someone recognises the family from this US Census return. United States Census, 1930 for Patrick J Roche Name: Patrick J Roche Event: CENSUS Event Date: 1930 Event Place: Chicago (Districts 1751-1976), Cook, Illinois Gender: Male Age: 47 Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1905 Household Gender Age Patrick J Roche  M 47 Spouse  Mary Roche  F 37 Child  Brendan Roche  M 9 Child  Richard Roche  M 7 Child  John P Roche  M 5 In 1921 the family were living at MILLAR STREET, Chicago, Illinois. I wonder if any of the family still live there ?? Does this address still exist as a residential district ?? Thank you in advance for any help or leads in tracing descendants of this family. REGARDS, SEAN                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Toni & Joseph...THANK YOU!  I would never have guessed it was W. POTOMAC based on the print-out of the page I have.   Ruth   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Ruth Susmarski <rususmar@yahoo.com> To: Cook County <COOK-CO-IL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] 1930 Census Street Name Can someone with access to Ancestry please help me identify the street name where the family of LAWRENCE WAWZNCZOK (as indexed on Ancestry -- the name is actually WAWZYCZUK) was living in 1930? Thanks! Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ruth, I thought it was hard to read but decided to check the next page and it was clearer: W. Potomac. Toni H. St. Peters, MO ________________________________ From: Ruth Susmarski <rususmar@yahoo.com> To: Cook County <COOK-CO-IL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, April 26, 2012 10:25:26 AM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] 1930 Census Street Name Can someone with access to Ancestry please help me identify the street name where the family of LAWRENCE WAWZNCZOK (as indexed on Ancestry -- the name is actually WAWZYCZUK) was living in 1930? Thanks! Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone with access to Ancestry please help me identify the street name where the family of LAWRENCE WAWZNCZOK (as indexed on Ancestry -- the name is actually WAWZYCZUK) was living in 1930? Thanks! Ruth

Yes, my email was hacked. I should know better than to go to websites that don't have the Norton approval checkmark. I apologize for this email. I have changed my password and hopefully this won't happen again. Gail -----Original Message----- From: Little Bird <polkadot1950@sbcglobal.net> To: gswilson19 <gswilson19@aol.com>; laudrain <laudrain@gmail.com>; cook-co-il <cook-co-il@rootsweb.com>; newsletters <newsletters@sharecare.com>; connell11 <connell11@yahoo.com>; ghboehm <ghboehm@ish.de>; pgcarol39 <pgcarol39@yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 8:11 am Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] (no subject) Here is another one with "no subject". Please check your email for any problems or at the very least, change the subject line and give us a clue of what the attachment includes. From: "gswilson19@aol.com" <gswilson19@aol.com> To: laudrain@gmail.com; cook-co-il@rootsweb.com; newsletters@sharecare.com; connell11@yahoo.com; ghboehm@ish.de; pgcarol39@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 4:53:48 AM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] (no subject) http://cmpl-puc.cl/nbc.php?uwoniluv=80&ledekyda=46 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Has your email been compromised? I am reluctant to open anything without and explanation - especially with "no subject" shown. Toni H. ________________________________ From: "gswilson19@aol.com" <gswilson19@aol.com> To: newsletter@e.eatcleandiet.com; cook-co-il-l@rootsweb.com; beahive@aol.com; ysearch@usernet.com; research@kw.com; chessers_kat@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 4:53:47 AM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] (no subject) http://minelaza.com.mx/nbc.php?cemavinuh=246&pybjtu=69 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Lake County, IL is offering birth certificates (over 75 yrs) and death certificates (over 20 yrs) on their website (http://countyclerk.lakecountyil.gov/VitalRecords/Pages/Genealogical-Research.aspx) at "the reduced price of $4.00" - uncertified copies stamped "For Genealogical Purposes Only."   Cook County take notice!!!     Ruth "The life of the dead is placed in the memory of the living." - Cicero

Thank you Eliz. As one who is still searching for proof of my family going to Chicago from Glasgow, I found the information enlightening. Daily ships with so many people, looking for a new life. Just like the thousands who left Great Britain in the 1950's to go to Australia. We still had rationing here, things were tough, but the war was over and we had hope for the future. Sheila. On 4/22/2012 00:44, Eliz Hanebury wrote: > We have many requests for where would my ancestors landed at to go > (take your choice) the below should help with thinking about that. > > With permission from Sue Swiggums, who runs the Ships List. In answer > to a "how did my ancestors travel (inland). These costs should > translate to New York to the west. > > > > Eliz > > > They would have gone by rail. I think that most new immigrants would > travel by rail all the way from Quebec, from the late 1850's, early > 1860's on. There was rail from Montreal before that. > > This below, will not keep its format, but it will give you an idea. > >>>> From an information circular for Emigrants, prepared by A.C. Buchanan, >> Chief Agent, Emigration Department, dated in Quebec; July 27,1853. >> >> MONTREAL TO THE GREAT LAKES >> >>>> From Quebec to Montreal 180 miles, by Steamers, every day at 5 o'clock; >> through in 14 hours >> By the Royal Mail Packets: 2s.0d.sterling 2s.6d.currency >> By Tait's Line: 1s.6d. " >> 1s.10d " >> --------------------------- >>>> From Montreal to Toronto, Hamilton, Buffalo, and other Ports on >> Lakes Erie and Michigan. >> Daily by the Royal mail Line at 9 o'clock am >> Miles Stg. Cy. >>>> From Montreal to Cornwall 78 4s. 5s.0d. >> " Williamsburg 104| >> " Matilda 112| >> " Prescott 127|> 6s. 7s.6d. >> " Brockville 139| >> " Kingston 189 8s. 10s.0d. >> " Cobourg 292| >> " Port Hope 298| >> " Bond Head 313| >> " Darlington 317|> 12s. 15s.0d >> " Whitby 337| >> " Toronto 367| >> " Hamilton 410| >> " Niagara& >> Lewiston 457 14s. 17s.6d. >> " Buffalo by 489 18s. 22s.6d. >> Railroad Passengers by this line tranship at >> Prescott to the Lake Steamers. > The cost of sea passage and railway fares varied such a lot during this > period because of competition ... note the steamer fare to Montreal, > above ... in 1835 it was about five times that amount. > > There are some comments about the 1870's here, for the 1874-1875 period. > > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/fares/costofpassage.shtml > > ---

We have many requests for where would my ancestors landed at to go (take your choice) the below should help with thinking about that. With permission from Sue Swiggums, who runs the Ships List. In answer to a "how did my ancestors travel (inland). These costs should translate to New York to the west. Eliz They would have gone by rail. I think that most new immigrants would travel by rail all the way from Quebec, from the late 1850's, early 1860's on. There was rail from Montreal before that. This below, will not keep its format, but it will give you an idea. >>> From an information circular for Emigrants, prepared by A.C. Buchanan, > Chief Agent, Emigration Department, dated in Quebec; July 27,1853. > > MONTREAL TO THE GREAT LAKES > >>> From Quebec to Montreal 180 miles, by Steamers, every day at 5 o'clock; > through in 14 hours > By the Royal Mail Packets: 2s.0d.sterling 2s.6d.currency > By Tait's Line: 1s.6d. " > 1s.10d " > --------------------------- >>> From Montreal to Toronto, Hamilton, Buffalo, and other Ports on > Lakes Erie and Michigan. > Daily by the Royal mail Line at 9 o'clock am > Miles Stg. Cy. >>> From Montreal to Cornwall 78 4s. 5s.0d. > " Williamsburg 104| > " Matilda 112| > " Prescott 127|> 6s. 7s.6d. > " Brockville 139| > " Kingston 189 8s. 10s.0d. > " Cobourg 292| > " Port Hope 298| > " Bond Head 313| > " Darlington 317|> 12s. 15s.0d > " Whitby 337| > " Toronto 367| > " Hamilton 410| > " Niagara & > Lewiston 457 14s. 17s.6d. > " Buffalo by 489 18s. 22s.6d. > Railroad Passengers by this line tranship at > Prescott to the Lake Steamers. The cost of sea passage and railway fares varied such a lot during this period because of competition ... note the steamer fare to Montreal, above ... in 1835 it was about five times that amount. There are some comments about the 1870's here, for the 1874-1875 period. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/fares/costofpassage.shtml

Get it yourself <G> being only slightly smart mouth <G> Ohio certificates are free at familysearch.org https://familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1307272 If you have registered at familysearch you will need to sign in to read the image, otherwise you need a free (as always, got to love familysearch) registration. As a Hint he is living Cleveland Rd North Ridgeville Ohio and he died (no matter what the index says) in Elyria Lorain Co., Ohio Sometimes if you are getting the page from familysearch the image hangs, usually if you go back one and then forward again it will work. Eliz On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:37 PM, RADFORD <radford2@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I am having a problem reading the 1930 census for a address on a relative who > lived in Ohio, Cleveland City.  The street number is unreadable (for me) I know > when he died and where and there is a death certificate.  But, I no longer have > Ancestry where it gives his  home address  in 1942 when he died, a death cert. > is shown.  Is there someone who has Ancestry that can either copy his death > cert. or what his home address is in 1942.  Here is his name, etc. > > DUNNE, John J.       Death date: 2/24/1942, Hamilton County    Volume #, > Certificate #10738 > > > Also, a question for the list.  What does it mean when in the 1940 census a page > is black, when you go to next page most times its there, but a couple of times > that page too is black.  What does this mean?  It jumps ahead in the image block > to the next image.  Just wondering if its just not there or the system can't > bring it up? > > Thank you for any help. > > Carol > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am having a problem reading the 1930 census for a address on a relative who lived in Ohio, Cleveland City. The street number is unreadable (for me) I know when he died and where and there is a death certificate. But, I no longer have Ancestry where it gives his home address in 1942 when he died, a death cert. is shown. Is there someone who has Ancestry that can either copy his death cert. or what his home address is in 1942. Here is his name, etc. DUNNE, John J. Death date: 2/24/1942, Hamilton County Volume #, Certificate #10738 Also, a question for the list. What does it mean when in the 1940 census a page is black, when you go to next page most times its there, but a couple of times that page too is black. What does this mean? It jumps ahead in the image block to the next image. Just wondering if its just not there or the system can't bring it up? Thank you for any help. Carol

I had good luck finding people in Rhode Island. I've found about 15 of my families. However, I'm running into the same problem as Thomas for my husband's family in Chicago. I was looking for 5638 Drake. It's possible my family wasn't there in 1940 because the address comes from the WWII draft registration from 1942, but the house should be there. It's ED 103-2494. I found Drake in this group, but there are many weird things here. There were 3 or 4 houses in the 5600's enumerated, but there are also many lines of information erased here and there, where you can see a family was listed, then erased and on these lines the enumerator wrote "extra lines", and cancel on the left side of the sheet. On one page there is a note that says "extra houses" LOL Then, starting about 4 pages from the end, the sheets have no street names. He did write in block numbers here, but no names. I'm guessing some of these houses are Drake since he missed so many the first time through, but they belong to more than one street because I found at least two with the same house number. I spent some time over the weekend helping find someone on Staten Island, NY and we ran into many missing house numbers. Using the enumeration district maps, and not just the descriptions, we were in the right place. I'm also having trouble finding an address in Northampton, MA. Again, I have the street, but the house number seems to be missing. I wonder if these missing addresses were gathered later by mail or by visits to the homes at a later date, and if so, where is this information? Lisa llepore@comcast.net > -----Original Message----- > From: cook-co-il-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cook-co-il- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Mackowiak > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:01 PM > To: cook-co-il-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] 5413 South Wood Street Missing from ED 103-996 > > Another Mackowiak family researcher and I are looking for the 1940 census > image that shows the Stanley and Mary/Maria/Maryanne Mackowiak Szafranowski > family who lived at 5413 South Wood Street in Chicago. The Enumeration > District for this address is 103-996. This Enumeration District consisted > of the south side of 53rd Street between Paulina and Wood Streets on the > north; the west side of Paulina Street on the east; the north side of > Garfield Boulevard on the south and the east side of Wood Street on the > west. Both sides of Hermitage Avenue from 53rd Street to Garfield Boulevard > were also part of this ED. > > The enumerator did not count the people at 5413 South Wood Street for some > unknown reason. This address should be on Image 9 of this ED on the > 1940census.archives.gov website. The enumerator did go back to other > addresses on the 5400 block of South Wood Street and other addresses in the > ED and enumerated those addresses that he did not enumerate initially. But > somehow he totally misses the 5413 South Wood St. address. The images > beginning about image 17 to image 22 contain the enumerator's later > attempts to enumerate the addresses that were originally missed. > > What I am wondering is whether the Census Bureau sent out other enumerators > to follow up on addresses that were not enumerated by the original > enumerator. If another enumerator was sent out to follow up on missing > addresses and he was successful in enumerating the address in question, > where is that information in the census? Of course, the sending out of a > second enumerator to enumerate missing addresses would depend on whether > the Census Bureau was able to determine that there were addresses that were > not counted in the first place. > > Thomas Mackowiak > > MACKOWIAK/SERWATKIEWICZ/JANUSZEWSKI/WANATOWICZ/MROZ/MUNO/HARNEY/GLENNON/McK > A > Y/LESCZYNSKI/ORLIKOWSKI