Not that I have any prison inmates who died in Chicago area, but I just wanted to let people know that I also have deceased prison inmate ancestor in New York. I have managed to dig up virtually his whole story from the time he was arrested until the time he died at Sing Sing.   Quite interesting!  John Dvorak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Fallon" <[email protected]> To: "Ann Moro" <[email protected]>, "Cook County Ill" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:37:17 AM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner Whats the address? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Moro" <[email protected]> To: "arleen gould" <[email protected]>; "Ruth Susmarski" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner > ALSO, look at ssdi rootsweb ancestry, > free ssdi rootsweb > > --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Ruth Susmarski <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Ruth Susmarski <[email protected]> > Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner > To: "arleen gould" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:51 AM > > > Right, Arleen. I've noticed the inconsistencies, as well. > > Another SSDI source is through FamilySearch...this link will take you to the Search Page: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true > > Ruth > > --- On Fri, 7/9/10, arleen gould <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: arleen gould <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner > To: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:16 PM > > > Don't just rely on the SSDI that is on ancestry. My friend's brother > died and he has never been listed there but we looked at footnote.com > and found all the info. > Ar > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: >> There's no doubt the SSDI is missing a lot of people. I'm sure there are >> transciption errors, and missing batches of data that were not input correctly, >> just like every other database. >> >> But, I was trying to point out that technically, it should appear there, once >> the person was reported to have died. If the person is not there it is more >> likely due to an error, rather than the fact that the person in question is/was >> a death row inmate. >> >> Unfortunately the SSDI is far from perfect. >> >> Lisa >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, from a wet Somerset UK. (at long last, some welcome rain.....) My Father's aunt Elizabeth Parsons emigrated to Chicago in 1906. Other very kind seekers have given me much valuable assistance in providing the details shown below. The WW1 Draft registration shows that her son FREDERICK GEORGE HIGGS had at least one child. Sadly no one has been able to find the family in the 1920, so I have no identity for that child or even if he/she survived infancy. My son-in-law is obtaining the 3 death certificates to see if they help. Can any one else please help in identifying this child (who would be my second cousin) and if he/she survived to possibly have a family of their own? Many thanks, Fred Boulton 6. Elizabeth Parsons was born in Dec 1867 in Clifton. She died on 19 Aug 1915 in Chicago, USA. She was buried on 22 Aug 1915 in Chicago, USA. Probable death entry Illinois death records as Lily Elizabeth Higgs; Informant F. T. Higgs. Gives dob as 22 Aug 1868 (possibly 1 year out) and father as William Parsons. Address at time 1447, West Madison st, Chicago, buried at Mt Auburn. Elizabeth married Frederick Thomas Higgs in Sep 1886 in Barton Regis. Frederick was born in 1862 in Weston-s-mare. He died on 29 Oct 1929 in Chicago, USA. 1905 Probably the Higgs family travelling 11 April Liverpool to St John's New Brunswick, aboard SS Lake Manitoba. Fred. T. Higgs, 42, Decorator, Mrs T. Higgs, 36, Fred G. Higgs, 16. 1906 May 31st Detroit Border Crossings shows Fred aged 43, accompanied by wife Elizabeth, son F. George, having landed St John, 25 Apr, 1905 aboard SS Lake Manitoba, en route for Chicago; last permanent address, Weston-s-mare. He is a Painter-Decorator. Census 1920 At 1320, Jackson Blvd, Chicago. Lodging with a Kathrine Hart. He is a widower, employed on own account as a Painter, keeping a shop. Arrived US 1904, naturalised 1910 1929 Death entry Illinois death index 6030494. He died on the 3rd day of the infamous 1929 Wall Street Crash, Black Tuesday (see Wikipedia), very possibly through suicide or shock. Son Frederick died the following March. Frederick and Elizabeth had the following children: 11 M i. Frederick George Higgs was born on 3 Oct 1888 in Bristol. He died on 24 Mar 1930 in Chicago, USA. 1906 May 31st. Entered USA via Detroit, having landed St John, 25 Apr 1905 aboard SS Lake Manitoba, en route for Chicago. Gives last permanent address as Weston-s-mare, England. Marriage entry Illinois Cook County marriages, 1030, ref 639661. ~World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Frederick George Higgs Name: Frederick George Higgs City: Chicago County: Cook State: Illinois 329 S.Wineherter?, Chicago, IL Birthplace: Bristol, England alien Birth Date: 3 Oct 1888 Race: Caucasian (White) FHL Roll Number: 1613516 DraftBoard: 41 Age: 29 Occupation: painter for Wm. T. Batdorfe, 2000 W. Monroe St. Married with wife and child Height/Build: short/slender Color of Eyes/Hair: brown, dark Signature: View image Source Citation: Registration Location: Cook County, Illinois; Roll 1613516; Draft Board: 41. June 5, 1917 Probable death entry Illinois Death Index, entry 0160691 Frederick married Irene Hoffman on 29 Aug 1913 in Chicago, USA. Irene was born in 1891 in Illinois. She died on 20 Sep 1936 in Chicago, USA. Census 1930 At Chicago, lodging with Ollie Solna, a Cashier in restaurant, still married, but no husband listed. Father born Ohio, Mother born Kentucky, Gives age as 36.

Whats the address? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Moro" <[email protected]> To: "arleen gould" <[email protected]>; "Ruth Susmarski" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner > ALSO, look at ssdi rootsweb ancestry, > free ssdi rootsweb > > --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Ruth Susmarski <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Ruth Susmarski <[email protected]> > Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner > To: "arleen gould" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:51 AM > > > Right, Arleen. I've noticed the inconsistencies, as well. > > Another SSDI source is through FamilySearch...this link will take you to the Search Page: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true > > Ruth > > --- On Fri, 7/9/10, arleen gould <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: arleen gould <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner > To: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:16 PM > > > Don't just rely on the SSDI that is on ancestry. My friend's brother > died and he has never been listed there but we looked at footnote.com > and found all the info. > Ar > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: >> There's no doubt the SSDI is missing a lot of people. I'm sure there are >> transciption errors, and missing batches of data that were not input correctly, >> just like every other database. >> >> But, I was trying to point out that technically, it should appear there, once >> the person was reported to have died. If the person is not there it is more >> likely due to an error, rather than the fact that the person in question is/was >> a death row inmate. >> >> Unfortunately the SSDI is far from perfect. >> >> Lisa >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

ALSO, look at  ssdi rootsweb ancestry, free ssdi rootsweb --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Ruth Susmarski <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ruth Susmarski <[email protected]> Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner To: "arleen gould" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:51 AM Right, Arleen.  I've noticed the inconsistencies, as well.   Another SSDI source is through FamilySearch...this link will take you to the Search Page:  http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true Ruth --- On Fri, 7/9/10, arleen gould <[email protected]> wrote: From: arleen gould <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner To: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:16 PM Don't just rely on the SSDI that is on ancestry. My friend's brother died and he has never been listed there but we looked at footnote.com and found all the info. Ar On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: > There's no doubt the SSDI is missing a lot of people.  I'm sure there are > transciption errors, and missing batches of data that were not input correctly, > just like every other database. > > But, I was trying to point out that technically, it should appear there, once > the person was reported to have died.  If the person is not there it is more > likely due to an error, rather than the fact that the person in question is/was > a death row inmate. > > Unfortunately the SSDI is far from perfect. > > Lisa > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have received the marriage certificate from the Cook County office. I would like the marriage license application. does anyone know where I should write to get this information? Thank you for your help. Mary Kay

Right, Arleen.  I've noticed the inconsistencies, as well.   Another SSDI source is through FamilySearch...this link will take you to the Search Page:  http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true Ruth --- On Fri, 7/9/10, arleen gould <[email protected]> wrote: From: arleen gould <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner To: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:16 PM Don't just rely on the SSDI that is on ancestry. My friend's brother died and he has never been listed there but we looked at footnote.com and found all the info. Ar On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: > There's no doubt the SSDI is missing a lot of people.  I'm sure there are > transciption errors, and missing batches of data that were not input correctly, > just like every other database. > > But, I was trying to point out that technically, it should appear there, once > the person was reported to have died.  If the person is not there it is more > likely due to an error, rather than the fact that the person in question is/was > a death row inmate. > > Unfortunately the SSDI is far from perfect. > > Lisa > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It would have helped if I attached the link. I tried after I sent the email, but my computer was acting up, so I had to shut it down. Here it is: http://www.theotoolefamilyline.blogspot.com/ Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "wm karr" <[email protected]> To: "OTOOLE" <[email protected]>, "Cook" <[email protected]>, "Chicago" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:50:45 PM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] New Blog Listers, I started a new blog of my O'Toole relatives. Bill   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This was on another list I subscribe to and it is very interesting. Just thought I would share. The U.S. Census for 1940 will be released in April 2012. The following are the training films used for the census enumerators. It is far more extensive than any census before. It is worthwhile to see what they are asking. You will get a better idea of what you can expect to find by viewing all the little films. http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/07/1940-census-training-in-now-online.html Alice Fluegge

Listers, I started a new blog of my O'Toole relatives. Bill

A big thanks to Masugu & to Ruth Susmarski for sending a ton of info on my families. You both provided new names & avenues to pursue in fleshing out this family. I really appreciate your efforts & results. Judy in Alaska

Yes, this is a good point. The SSDI is available on a lot of different websites. Some sites update their data more often. You can also search by different criteria at the different sites, so it's worth checking out the differents sites that have the SSDI. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "arleen gould" <[email protected]> To: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner Don't just rely on the SSDI that is on ancestry. My friend's brother died and he has never been listed there but we looked at footnote.com and found all the info. Ar On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: > There's no doubt the SSDI is missing a lot of people. I'm sure there are > transciption errors, and missing batches of data that were not input > correctly, > just like every other database. > > But, I was trying to point out that technically, it should appear there, > once > the person was reported to have died. If the person is not there it is > more > likely due to an error, rather than the fact that the person in question > is/was > a death row inmate. > > Unfortunately the SSDI is far from perfect. > > Lisa >

susanne, Molly is correct htere is a database you can check; http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/default.asp  It will tell you if he/she is to be paroled andd the date. As for execution, I am not sure, but chereck it out; it just might. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2010 11:48:55 AM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner Does anyone have any information or experience in locating a person, who went to prison for murder and was executed there (in the 2000 time period), on the Social Security Death Index?   He would have had a SS Number.   I believe is he still alive, but don't know if he will show on the SSDI when he dies?   Thanks you for your comments   Susanne   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There's no doubt the SSDI is missing a lot of people. I'm sure there are transciption errors, and missing batches of data that were not input correctly, just like every other database. But, I was trying to point out that technically, it should appear there, once the person was reported to have died. If the person is not there it is more likely due to an error, rather than the fact that the person in question is/was a death row inmate. Unfortunately the SSDI is far from perfect. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann Moro To: ; Lisa Lepore Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner My husband's death was reported and he is not on the SSDI list, so possibly your person is not either. Ann Moro --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: From: Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner To: [email protected] Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 7:19 AM SSDI includes people who died, and whose deaths were reported to the Social Security Administration, so presumably his death will show up there after he dies, but only if it is reported to them. Illinois has executed 12 people since 1962. They are listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_executed_in_Illinois If your person is listed, then check the the ssdi to see if he is there. One person died of natural causes while on death row - Donald Bull in 2002 No one has been executed since 2003 when the outgoing governor commuted all the death penalty sentences to life in prison. Since then people have received death penalty sentences, but their dates for execution have not come up yet. There are a lot of websites about death row inmates in Illinois. Here is one of them - http://www.ccadp.org/illinois.htm If your person is on death row still, you should be able to find information just by searching google.com The death penalty is a big political issue everywhere with lots of people on both sides of it, so you should be able to find something on your inmate if he/she is currently on death row. Certainly, if your person is ever executed, or if his execution date comes up there will be articles in the newspapers. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > Does anyone have any information or experience in locating a person, who > went to prison for murder and was executed there (in the 2000 time > period), on > the Social Security Death Index? He would have had a SS Number. > > I believe is he still alive, but don't know if he will show on the SSDI > when he dies? > > Thanks you for your comments > > Susanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't just rely on the SSDI that is on ancestry. My friend's brother died and he has never been listed there but we looked at footnote.com and found all the info. Ar On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: > There's no doubt the SSDI is missing a lot of people.  I'm sure there are > transciption errors, and missing batches of data that were not input correctly, > just like every other database. > > But, I was trying to point out that technically, it should appear there, once > the person was reported to have died.  If the person is not there it is more > likely due to an error, rather than the fact that the person in question is/was > a death row inmate. > > Unfortunately the SSDI is far from perfect. > > Lisa >

Irish Fest25th AnniversaryJuly 9, 10, 11, 2010 The Irish American Heritage Center celebrates its Silver Anniversary  From: "Brian Donovan" <[email protected]> Date: July 8, 2010 12:07:32 PM CDT Subject: Additional VOLUNTEERS needed   All,   Thank all of you who have already volunteered to work the genealogical booth in library over the Irish American Heritage Fest.  Your names are on the volunteer list.   Tim McDonnell, executive director of the I.A.H.C., e-mailed me that he is in need of  30 more volunteers for the Fest this weekend .  He is looking for volunteers to help fill the following blanks. The roles/times are listed below - please let him know if you can help. Each willing volunteer will get free entry to the Fest on the day they volunteer, a free t-shirt, some free drinks as well. Saturday 6-9 PM 4 wristband 4 tickets 2 ticket-takers 2 will-call 1 entry Saturday 9-11 PM 2 people various tasks Sunday 6-9 PM 4 wristband 4 tickets 2 ticket-takers 2 will-call 1 entry Sunday 9-11 PM 2 people various tasks   Tim McDonnell [email protected] or (240) 515-1781 A few additional items: 1) For those of you who need specific instructions (door people, stewards, etc), I have either sent them to you or will do so shortly. 2) If any questions or issues come up during the weekend, please call me on 240.515.1781, or look for a friendly face! 3) When you arrive at the Center, please tell the door people that you are a volunteer - and check-in at the front office. There will be name badges for everyone. We are blessed to have well over 100 volunteers donating their time to make this event a success. Many thanks in advance for all of your support. Best, Tim 240.515.1781   Brian   Kathleen Brennan Mammoser Researching BRENNAN, BRETT,GALLAGHER & KENNEDY in CO MAYO> CHICAGO and BRENNAN in CO SLIGO> CHICAGO HOWARD in CO CORK> HARVARD , IL > CHICAGO MAMMOSER in Schoenenbourg , FRANCE > CHICAGO   http://www.mammoser.com

I have Janecek's in my ancestry. dolores > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:21:55 -0400 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Names - please view > To: <[email protected]> > > > Posting again, looking for people doing any of the following lines: > Szermeta/Sermeta, Janicek, Ryde or any lines connecting to these. > Also various spellings. > > ------------------------------ >

In my experience, most states have an online database for Department of Corrections. If the prisoner is not listed in that database, all I've ever had to do is to email to the DOC Concact on that state's DOC website; usually, within a few weeks, I receive (via snail-mail) all pertinent information about that prisoner. Molly Kennedy P O Box 5785 Springfield, IL 62705 Genealogical website: www.mollx.com Genealogy - Confusing the dead, and annoying the living.

SSDI includes people who died, and whose deaths were reported to the Social Security Administration, so presumably his death will show up there after he dies, but only if it is reported to them. Illinois has executed 12 people since 1962. They are listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_executed_in_Illinois If your person is listed, then check the the ssdi to see if he is there. One person died of natural causes while on death row - Donald Bull in 2002 No one has been executed since 2003 when the outgoing governor commuted all the death penalty sentences to life in prison. Since then people have received death penalty sentences, but their dates for execution have not come up yet. There are a lot of websites about death row inmates in Illinois. Here is one of them - http://www.ccadp.org/illinois.htm If your person is on death row still, you should be able to find information just by searching google.com The death penalty is a big political issue everywhere with lots of people on both sides of it, so you should be able to find something on your inmate if he/she is currently on death row. Certainly, if your person is ever executed, or if his execution date comes up there will be articles in the newspapers. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > Does anyone have any information or experience in locating a person, who > went to prison for murder and was executed there (in the 2000 time > period), on > the Social Security Death Index? He would have had a SS Number. > > I believe is he still alive, but don't know if he will show on the SSDI > when he dies? > > Thanks you for your comments > > Susanne

My husband's death was reported and he is not on the SSDI list, so possibly your person is not either.  Ann Moro --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: From: Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Death of a Prisoner To: [email protected] Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 7:19 AM SSDI includes people who died, and whose deaths were reported to the Social Security Administration, so presumably his death will show up there after he dies, but only if it is reported to them. Illinois has executed 12 people since 1962.  They are listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_executed_in_Illinois If your person is listed, then check the the ssdi to see if he is there. One person died of natural causes while on death row - Donald Bull in 2002 No one has been executed since 2003 when the outgoing governor commuted all the death penalty sentences to life in prison.  Since then people have received death penalty sentences, but their dates for execution have not come up yet. There are a lot of websites about death row inmates in Illinois.  Here is one of them - http://www.ccadp.org/illinois.htm If your person is on death row still, you should be able to find information just by searching google.com    The death penalty is a big political issue everywhere with lots of people on both sides of it, so you should be able to find something on your inmate if he/she is currently on death row.   Certainly, if your person is ever executed, or if his execution date comes up there will be articles in the newspapers. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > Does anyone have any information or experience in locating a person, who > went to prison for murder and was executed there (in the 2000 time > period), on > the Social Security Death Index?   He would have had a SS Number. > > I believe is he still alive, but don't know if he will show on the SSDI > when he dies? > > Thanks you for your comments > > Susanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cook listers have come thru for me before, so I'm hoping someone can look for obits for George & Marie (Sykora) Beam. Marie was born abt 1903, Tupadly, Bohemia. Her parents were Vaclav/James Sykora & Marie (Horalec) Sykora. I have the 1930 Denni Hlasatel obit for Marie Sykora, which gives daughter Marie's married name as Beam, with husband George. Marie Beam had a sister Winifred Sykora (b. 1909 & not married by her mother's death date) & a brother Joseph (b. 1899 but not mentioned in his mother's obit, so he may have passed by 1930). No other info on Winifred. So far, I have found possibilities in the census & military records for George Beam, but nothing firm, so I'm hoping for a Chicago Trib obit for either George or Marie. Thanks in advance for any possible obits. Judy, in Alaska