Hi Elaine, I checked the Illinois Statewide Death Index, Pre-1916 and found a couple that might be possibilities for George T. (Jr.) mother. There was a Mary SHIELDS who died 1893-05-10 in Chicago at the age of 35. Certificate # 00017807 in Cook County. There us also a long shot of Elizabeth SHIELDS who died 1895-11-27 in Chicago at the age of 28. Certificate # 00018256 in Cook County. You might check to see if anyone could find obituaries on either one of them to see if they might tell you more information. Hope these might be of help to you. Sharon

Hi All; Those double SS'es were just as likely to look like P's. Thus, when researching my wife's CASSON line, I also had to look for CAPONs. Cheers, Masugu [email protected] > Depending on?what decade way back when, ?"L's" were written as > "S,es".? Just like doubles SS'es were writen as "fs.? Confusing but > a visit to any site that discusses? archaic wrting will explain a > lot.? Those who transcribe L as S might benifit from a visit to > these sites. > > E. Stewart

My Lawlers were recorded as Saulers.  No wonder I couldn't FIND them...and my grandfather Valentine Goeb was recorded as Goeb Valentine.  Genealogy teaches you to be creative... ________________________________ From: Masugu <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:21:03 AM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Missing Birth & Death Certificates Hi All; Those double SS'es were just as likely to look like P's. Thus, when  researching my wife's CASSON line, I also had to look for CAPONs. Cheers, Masugu [email protected] > Depending on?what decade way back when, ?"L's" were written as  > "S,es".? Just like doubles SS'es were writen as "fs.? Confusing but  > a visit to any site that discusses? archaic wrting will explain a  > lot.? Those who transcribe L as S might benifit from a visit to  > these sites. > > E. Stewart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been to this site before and I'm back.... Here is my dilemma and it is the only brick wall left in my research of our Shields family. George T. Shields (Sr) was born in Lockport, Will County, 1861 and died June 21, 1891, Chicago, Cook County, Illinois. His death record says he is married but does not give the name of his wife. He was living at 172 W. Vanburen, Chicago when he died. Chicago directory records I have found have him living in Chicago in 1888, 1890, 1891. In Lockport, Will County, where he was born and where the rest of his family lived, there is no record of a marriage for him so I can only assume he married in Chicago ca 1888-1890. I need some guidance on if/how/where to pursue a marriage record for him in Cook Co. He is not the George Shields who married Mary Harvey in Will County. His son George T. Shields (Jr) was born Jan 9, 1891, in Chicago (a few months before his father died). His 1943 death record does not give the name of his mother. His marriage record does not give the name of his mother. His WWI Draft Registration Record does not give the name of his mother. In 1900 census, George (Jr) is living with the family of his father in Lockport and was brought up by them. Where is his mother? Did she die? Did she abandon him? So, I also need some guidance on if/how/where I should pursue a birth record for him. Our ultimate goal -- to find the wife of George T. Shields (Sr), therefore, mother of George T. Shields (Jr). Thank you. Elaine Sharp Sacramento CA

Hi Beth I wish you luck and just hope that your family is in a row that didn't have the headstones removed. My brother flew up from San Francisco and we flew over from England, primarily to see that grave. My husband used to say, how about visiting Chicago, but I never fancied it. How glad I am to have changed my mind, after I found out that my family were there! What a wonderful city and great citizens. I have a photocopy of the grave plan and will always be grateful to the lady at Gracelands Cemetery. She is no longer there, I was told when we called in. The ironic thing is that in the 1960's my brother left Edinburgh University in Scotland, went to university in Minnesota then worked in Chicago. Now we wonder if the grave was intact then. This line of my family has proved to be extremely difficult to trace, but I shall be forever grateful to several Americans who helped me gain a lot of information. You said you didn't have birth dates. Well neither did I but on the grave plan, as I said before, the exact ages were given, and the dates when they died, so I worked backwards and had the dates of birth. Good luck to you if you should visit the grave at Gracelands. You could of course telephone and ask them if the headstone is still there. Sheila. [email protected] wrote: > Oh no! The headstones were removed? Sorry to hear that...and that may > be bad news for me too. I have a family Bible record with the names > and death dates of three "mystery people" who must have been > relatives, since they were listed and the surname is one of the family > surnames. Unfortunately no birth dates were given. They were buried at > Graceland; the family record even gives the grave locations. These > people died in the 1860s, so death records will not be available. I > suspect they may be children that died young, but I don't know for > sure. One person had the same name as the father of an immigrant > ancestor, but I don't know if the father came over and died in > Chicago, or if a son or brother was named after him. I'm hoping that > the graves at Graceland will have headstones that include birth dates > for these people, because I would like to figure out who they were. > > Beth Gatlin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pentlands <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:39 pm > Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Missing Death Record > > Hi Beth > > Oh boy! Am I familiar with what you say? > I have an ancestor ticked on the Census as a male under 10 yrs of age. > The bairn died and was listed as 'male child' on the cemetery plans. > It even gave exactly how old he was, 3 yrs. 3 mnths. and so many days. > I could then work out his exact dob but still there was no name. > We travelled to Chicago from England to see the grave at Gracelands. > The staff there had been wonderful with help. Unfortunately the > headstones had all > been removed from each 2nd row to allow access for the lawnmower, so > still I have no name. I took a photograph of a stone inset with a > number on it. > > >

Yetzke? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Dale & Katie <[email protected]>wrote: > Cooksters: > > > > I am requesting help with name possibilities for German/Polish Christian > surnames. Family notes indicate two surnames that I cannot find probable > matches, Cohane and Yeshic. Any suggestions? > > > > Katie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Katie, Couldn't find anything for sure on Cohane but wondered if it could be Cowan? I did find, in the 1880 census, a Herman and Ida JESCKE in Shawano County, if that might be of help. Sharon

I agree the handwriting is very bad sometimes, and MUESBECK is misspelled quite a lot. I'd love to transcribe but my hands have neuropathy and my typing is horrendous now. Marge in MI On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:55 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Another thing to remember is that even though these records on the > Familysearch website are viewed by 3 different people before they go online, > the handwriting is not always that clear on the original document and could > easily be misread. Try to think of possible transcription errors to look > for the item you are searching for. > > It would be great if a more people would take just a few minutes to help > transcribe these records. It really is very simple to do. > > > From: Mary Snow <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Missing Birth Record > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hundreds of volunteers are indexing and verifying information. Everyone > is free to volunteer. > Information about volunteering to help with the project is available at > the pilot site. > http://indexing.familysearch.org/newuser/nuhome.jsf?3.6.2 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Depending on what decade way back when,  "L's" were written as "S,es".  Just like doubles SS'es were writen as "fs.  Confusing but a visit to any site that discusses  archaic wrting will explain a lot.  Those who transcribe L as S might benifit from a visit to these sites. E. Stewart >I agree about handwriting errors. My Logans and Lallys are often entered as >Sogans and Sallys

Hi Katie, This is what I found in the 1870 census: This was the order they were listed on the page. Name: Fred Crumback Birth year: abt 1841 Age in 1870: 29 Birthplace: Prussia Home in 1870: Belle Plaine, Shawano, Wisconsin Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Belle Plaine Household Members: Fred Crumback 29 Lelia Crumback 24 Frank Crumback 2 Alex Buholtz [Alex Bucholtz] Birth Year: abt 1832 Age in 1870: 38 Birthplace: Oldenburg Home in 1870: Belle Plaine, Shawano, Wisconsin Gender: Male Post Office: Belle Plaine Household Members: Alex Buholtz 38 Pelina Buholtz 35 Mary Buholtz 11 Frank Buholtz 10 Charles Buholtz 8 Thomas Stomcky Birth Year: Abt 1806 Age in 1870: 64 Birthplace: Prussia Home in 1870: Belle Plaine, Shawano, Wisconsin Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Belle Plaine Household Members: Thomas Stromcky 64 Augusta Stromcky 69 Elisabeth Stromcky 25 Hope this helps. Sharon

Thanks everyone for your input. I know she died here in Chicago in 1962. I know she was buried 05 May 1962.   I have emailed Cook County through aforementioned site.  Have to wait 7-10 days.  If they don't respond favorably, I'll write a letter with a SASE. The cemetery gave me the funeral director's name.  Unfortunately, it changed hands in 1991 and no previous record were kept.  The previous owner has since passed on himself.  I'm told by several funeral homes that they are not required by law to retain records.  boo woo. My great-grandmother, CORA HENDERSON,  was 108 when she died,  She was born in 1854 in Arkansas.  Her name does not seem to be one that would be mis-spelled. I'm sure she died of old age.  That's obvious.  I just want copy of her death record for my genealogy files to prove she did exist as there's no chance a record of her birth was made. Thanks again.  Each and everyone of you are so appreciated. E. Stewart

It took a while to find my granmothers birth record but finally realized that it was under her mothers name, it may have been that she was not named at the time of the certificate. Also could not find my fathers birth certificate-did not need to be recorded at that time-but was in the church records. He was in the Navy and had to show some type of record, so not sure at this point what he used. I have searched for years without any luck. Once in while still go back to the sites to check if they had been updated. No luck. Still cannot find his SS number or SS that my mother received after he died in 1961, when he was 48. Keep checking back to the sites, Irene in Wisconsin searching Chicago ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge Yetzke" <[email protected]> To: "Michele" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Missing Birth Record >I have the same problem finding my mother's birth in 1905 Cook County? Also > not on FamilySearch Ruth Marie Muesbeck > > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Michele <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That is a good idea. I've looked there before and just looked there >> again, but I've found my grandmother is not there either although one of >> her two brothers is there who was born in 1904. Are there any years >> where birth records and registers don't exist any more? >> >> Mary Snow wrote: >> > Did you check the familysearch pilot site for birth? It may not be >> > indexed yet. This is where early births can most often be found. >> > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home >> > >> > Mary >> > >> > Michele wrote: >> > >> >> I'm glad you asked the question. It is an excellent site but I've been >> >> wondering why my grandmother's birth record is not there either. >> >> Everything we have says that she was born in Chicago in 1895 but I >> >> haven't been able to find her birth record. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Katie, This is what I have found in the 1880 census: Name: Thomas Stranske Home in 1880: Bell Plaine, Shawano, Wisconsin Age: 78 Estimated birth year: abt 1805 Birthplace: Prussia Relation to Head of f Household: FatherL Father's birthplace: Prussia Mother's birthplace: Prussia Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Household Name Age Members John Gassel 30 farmer Elizabeth Gassel 35 Anna Gassel 3 Mary Gassel 7M Thomas Stranske 75 Rosalie Stranske 70 Also found the following: Name: Jacob Stranske Home in 1880: Bell Plaine, Shawano, Wisconsin Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Birthplace: Prussia Relation Head of Household: Self (Head) Spouse's Name: Emma Father's birthplace: Prussia Mother's birthplace: Prussia Occupation: Farmer Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Jacob Stranske 33 Emma Stranske 43 Rosa Stranske 21 Perter Stranske 19 Constantine Stranske 17 Antoinette Stranske 15 Mary Stranske 13 Maximmian Stranske 8 Hellen Stranske 7 Anna Stranske 5 Hope this helps. If you would like me to search further just let me know. Sharon

Good points, Michele, especially about the middle initial being attached to the surname.   I always remember a distant relative's entry on the FamilySearch SSDI.  The name should have been STEVE CHWASCINSKI, but, at some point fingers got shifted on the keyboard, and the name appears STEVE CHWASCUBSKI.  Being as Steve was from Illinois, if he was a baseball fan, he might not have minded the CHWAS-CUBS-KI entry.   :)   Ruth --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Michele <[email protected]> wrote: From: Michele <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Missing Death Record To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 12:57 PM What I have found is that there is no name that cannot be misspelled by someone, at least as a typo.  Sometimes letter get reversed so you could get something like Hednerson or Hendesron, for example.  Depending on how the person wrote the H, it could even look like Fl.  The letter d written in a stretched out way can look like 'cl'.  N can look like u.  Another thing that happens that I read about is for the middle initial to be attached to the surname instead of being separated by a space.  It is interesting to go through large indexes like the SSDI or others experimenting with each letter of the alphabet attached to the beginning of the last name.  AHenderson, BHenderson, etc.  I tried this years ago and was surprised how many can be found like that although they may have improved the indexes since then and it certainly may not be the case here and I haven't tried it with the Chicago indexes. Michele [email protected] wrote: > > Thanks everyone for your input. > > > > I know she died here in Chicago in 1962. I know she was buried 05 May 1962.   I have emailed Cook County through aforementioned site.  Have to wait 7-10 days.  If they don't respond favorably, I'll write a letter with a SASE. > > > > The cemetery gave me the funeral director's name.  Unfortunately, it changed hands in 1991 and no previous record were kept.  The previous owner has since passed on himself.  I'm told by several funeral homes that they are not required by law to retain records.  boo woo. > > > > My great-grandmother, CORA HENDERSON,  was 108 when she died,  She was born in 1854 in Arkansas.  Her name does not seem to be one that would be mis-spelled. I'm sure she died of old age.  That's obvious.  I just want copy of her death record for my genealogy files to prove she did exist as there's no chance a record of her birth was made. > > > > Thanks again.  Each and everyone of you are so appreciated. > > > > E. Stewart >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If I haven't mentioned this before, let me do so now.   My Mom appears in the Cook County Birth Register, but the Birth Register Index on the LDS pilot site shows the wrong set of parents for her.   When I opened the Register image and looked closer, it became apparent that nearly every entry on the page had the same error.  I'm assuming, and it appears, that when the transcriber crossed from the left page (containing the child's name) to the right page (containing the parents' names), he/she shifted down an entry.   I contacted FamilySearch, but was told there is no way this error can be corrected.  As much as it bothers me each time I see my Mom's entry, I would not mention it if it were an isolated case.  However, I have since found two other separate instances on the Birth Register Index where the same thing occurred.   Keep this in mind when you're looking for your family, because, while the child's birth name may appear correct, don't be put off if the parents' names are different than you know or expect they should be.  Open the actual image and check it out.   Ruth

For example, one of the Muesbeck records was transcribed as Murebeck. Found it by searching for mother's first name and surname. Mary [email protected] wrote: > Another thing to remember is that even though these records on the Familysearch website are viewed by 3 different people before they go online, the handwriting is not always that clear on the original document and could easily be misread. Try to think of possible transcription errors to look for the item you are searching for. > > It would be great if a more people would take just a few minutes to help transcribe these records. It really is very simple to do. > > > From: Mary Snow <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Missing Birth Record > > Hundreds of volunteers are indexing and verifying information. Everyone > is free to volunteer. > Information about volunteering to help with the project is available at > the pilot site. > http://indexing.familysearch.org/newuser/nuhome.jsf?3.6.2 > >

I agree about handwriting errors. My Logans and Lallys are often entered as Sogans and Sallys. Diane

What I have found is that there is no name that cannot be misspelled by someone, at least as a typo. Sometimes letter get reversed so you could get something like Hednerson or Hendesron, for example. Depending on how the person wrote the H, it could even look like Fl. The letter d written in a stretched out way can look like 'cl'. N can look like u. Another thing that happens that I read about is for the middle initial to be attached to the surname instead of being separated by a space. It is interesting to go through large indexes like the SSDI or others experimenting with each letter of the alphabet attached to the beginning of the last name. AHenderson, BHenderson, etc. I tried this years ago and was surprised how many can be found like that although they may have improved the indexes since then and it certainly may not be the case here and I haven't tried it with the Chicago indexes. Michele [email protected] wrote: > > Thanks everyone for your input. > > > > I know she died here in Chicago in 1962. I know she was buried 05 May 1962. I have emailed Cook County through aforementioned site. Have to wait 7-10 days. If they don't respond favorably, I'll write a letter with a SASE. > > > > The cemetery gave me the funeral director's name. Unfortunately, it changed hands in 1991 and no previous record were kept. The previous owner has since passed on himself. I'm told by several funeral homes that they are not required by law to retain records. boo woo. > > > > My great-grandmother, CORA HENDERSON, was 108 when she died, She was born in 1854 in Arkansas. Her name does not seem to be one that would be mis-spelled. I'm sure she died of old age. That's obvious. I just want copy of her death record for my genealogy files to prove she did exist as there's no chance a record of her birth was made. > > > > Thanks again. Each and everyone of you are so appreciated. > > > > E. Stewart > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another thing to remember is that even though these records on the Familysearch website are viewed by 3 different people before they go online, the handwriting is not always that clear on the original document and could easily be misread. Try to think of possible transcription errors to look for the item you are searching for. It would be great if a more people would take just a few minutes to help transcribe these records. It really is very simple to do. From: Mary Snow <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Missing Birth Record To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hundreds of volunteers are indexing and verifying information. Everyone is free to volunteer. Information about volunteering to help with the project is available at the pilot site. http://indexing.familysearch.org/newuser/nuhome.jsf?3.6.2

Back in the day, if a child was baptized in the Catholic Church, they were expected to be given the name of a Saint.  Many priests refused to baptize a child.  Not saying "Elsie" was Catholic, but if she was, I don't think there was a Saint Elsie.  With "Mary" you don't get much more saintly than that!   My Aunt Ruth was born in 1921.  Grandma Katherine wanted her youngest daughter baptized "Ruth Katherine," and that is how she went through life, but lo and behold, there is no Saint Ruth and her baptismal record reads "Catherine Ruth."    Ruth Katherine (guess who I'm named after!) --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Diane Miskiewicz <[email protected]> wrote: From: Diane Miskiewicz <[email protected]> Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Cannot find birth certificate for mother To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 11:53 AM I also was at a loss until the FAMILY SEARCH PILOT website came on.  Found out the mother who we always knew had the name Elsie was, at birth, named Mary by her mother and father in 1915. Showed up with me just typing in the last name. My sister and I surprised.  In fact, I said remember when mom tried to get her birth certificate from Cook County (to get a passport to go to Ireland)they couldn't find "Elsie". Goes to show if they didn't like the name Mary that they named her let's just change it to Elsie - without ever doing it legally. I guess it keeps people on their toes while doing genealogy.  Happy Hunting everyone.   Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message