Thank you, Masugu. Great sleuting - but as far as I know our George T. Shields (Sr) and his wife had only one child, George T. Shields (Jr). Unless these other children were from a previous marriage of Katherine(Carroll) Shields, I think it's not her, but I am not ready to rule anything out at this point, especially the way the son's name is listed in the obit, so I thank you again for your input. Elaine Sharp

Hard to verify hearsay story. Would still have to find all documentation with name used. Is he listed in Ancestry's border crossings? What was his first name? Wife? Any dates of birth, death, marriage? Not listed at Cook County's Declaration of Intent page; can contact the Clerk's office or Great Lakes NARA. Was there a death certificate for him? Declaration of Intent site: http://198.173.15.34/NR/default.aspx Any relation? Szeremeta, Angela Patronski, John 7-19-1914 St. Adalbert Church http://www.pgsa.org/CzuchMar.php If he married in the Catholic church, he would have provided his baptismal record from his church in Poland. LDS pilot site: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home Mary [email protected] wrote: > I have recently located my daughter's great uncle and found some astonishing news. I have been trying to research her Szermeta line with zero luck. He now tells me that his father came into the country via Canada and without papers. He was 'given' the name Szermeta and doesn't know their real Polish name. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might approach this ? Anything at all would be helpful and appreciated. >

I have recently located my daughter's great uncle and found some astonishing news. I have been trying to research her Szermeta line with zero luck. He now tells me that his father came into the country via Canada and without papers. He was 'given' the name Szermeta and doesn't know their real Polish name. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might approach this ? Anything at all would be helpful and appreciated. Shirley

Patricia, Unfortunately I have no funds to pull death cert for Augusta & Amelia in Illinois. They died before SSDI. Augusta died Feb 24,1942 in Winnetka & Amelia died March 1, 1953 in Winnetka. Charles 1954 Janesville, Rock Co. WI death cert I had hand transcribed-Mother was listed as Ernestine Buntman. No father listed on anything for Charles. We believe Father was Gottlieb. IF we have correct Albertina Krause her death cert does not list her maiden name-Cem says they have no record of it. Death Notice from Chicago paper says nothing. Only 1 child had a birth listed on Family Search Pilot & mother was listed as Albertina Krause. As for Affeldt- Gustave & Wilhelmina Garske Affeldt came to Ill abt 1881 or 1882 with Gustave's 5 children by 1st wife & 1 child by Garske, stayed about 2 years before going to WI. His sister Louise Affeldt came over in the early 1870's to Chicago & married William Nitzschke. They remained in Chicago. Supposedly another UNPROVEN as yet sister Ernestine Affeldt came over in the late 1860's or 1870. She may have come to Chicago before going to WI. She married Edward Bandmann in WI or Il. She was in WI by 1871 since child was born then in WI. 2nd marriage to Gustave's brother Herman spent time in Chicago before going to WI. We believe more siblings of Gustav, Herman, Louise & possibly Ernestine may exist. They would be born in mid 1830's to 1850's & would have been from Deutch Krone area. Gustav & Herman were born in Arnsfelde or Arensfelde, Deutch Krone along with most of Gustaves children with some supposedly born in Berlin. Kathy From: patricia meyers [mailto:[email protected]] Did any of this family have a social security number? I think the maiden name will show up on the application. Can you give some dates as a point of reference? Did you pull their death certificates? Patti _____ From: Kathy Fuhrman <[email protected]> Thank you AnnEllen, I am trying to obtain Augusta Krause (Louis) Affeldt, Amelia Krause (William H.) Burgdorf mother's maiden name. So far cemeteries will tell me nothing, except burial location. Augusta-no idea what church she was buried from. Obit does not say. Amelia obit lists church but no parents names are listed in the records. Funeral Home will not tell me parents names or IF they were listed. Says it is against the law to tell me. The brother Charles Krause- obit, Funeral home, church & cem all indicate mother was Ernestine Buntman or Buntsman yet IF I have correct census that info & other info seems to indicate she was Albertina Bandmann Krause. Still waiting for the church the ladies were married in to respond. I am also trying to work on my Affeldt line that has connections to Chicago & Outagamie County, Wisconsin. Kathy

Just as a point of information - the current Ancestry.com weekly newsletter has an article on "13 Sources for Birth Information Beyond Civil Registration." http://learn.ancestry.com/LearnMore/Article.aspx?id=15626 Perhaps it will be helpful to readers here. Joseph Martin Romeoville, Illinois On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you, Ruth. Well, that rules out that this Katherine (Carroll) Shields > is not her as the children born later would not have been Shields since > George died in 1891. Yes, the George Shields (Sr) who died June 21, 1891 is > ours. I have his death record and it says he was born in Lockport, IL and > he is buried in the family plot in Wheatland with his name and death date > are on the stone. His death record says he is married and his son George > (Jr) was born in January 1891, a few months before he died. He death record > is listed on FHC site under George J. Shields....but it really is a T > middle initial. Very difficult to read cause of death also. > > It seems this wife/mother and marriage are a mystery. > > Elaine > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "No two countries that have McDonald's have ever gone to war with one another." Thomas Friedman

Dear Listers, Is there anyone who could look for and send me, if found, an obituary for Helen Reichel who died in Chicago in August 1981? The zip code at her death was 60656. Thanks. Daryl Ann

Listers, I mistakenly sent this directly to Shirley along with another suggestion of finding a Polish American mailing list or message board for help. I'm forwarding it to the Cook List in hopes that someone will know more about the newspaper than I do & can point her in the right direction. Judy in Alaska ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: judy petersen <[email protected]> Date: Jul 22, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] I need suggestions.. To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Another suggestion, Shirley. The Polish American community in Chicago could speak to this better than I can, but I think there was a Polish American newspaper in Chicago which now has an obit index, similar to the one Czechs have with our "Denni Hlasatel". If you have no other leads to the original surname, check the obits in that newspaper, possibly available on microfilm. If it's like the Denni Hlasatel index, it is organized by surname & then death date, & you order the microfilm by death date. You could even scan thru the "S" names for similar sounding names. Also, I think there is a Polish American genealogy society in IL or at least in the nation. It might help to join them or see what they have to offer. Again, Judy in Alaska On 7/22/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > I have recently located my daughter's great uncle and found some > astonishing news. I have been trying to research her Szermeta line with > zero luck. He now tells me that his father came into the country via Canada > and without papers. He was 'given' the name Szermeta and doesn't know their > real Polish name. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might > approach this ? Anything at all would be helpful and appreciated. > Shirley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you AnnEllen, I am trying to obtain Augusta Krause (Louis) Affeldt, Amelia Krause (William H.) Burgdorf mother's maiden name. So far cemeteries will tell me nothing, except burial location. Augusta-no idea what church she was buried from. Obit does not say. Amelia obit lists church but no parents names are listed in the records. Funeral Home will not tell me parents names or IF they were listed. Says it is against the law to tell me. The brother Charles Krause- obit, Funeral home, church & cem all indicate mother was Ernestine Buntman or Buntsman yet IF I have correct census that info & other info seems to indicate she was Albertina Bandmann Krause. Still waiting for the church the ladies were married in to respond. I am also trying to work on my Affeldt line that has connections to Chicago & Outagamie County, Wisconsin. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: AnnEllen Barr [mailto:[email protected]] Unfortunately Illinois Law does not require funeral homes that go out of business to Forward their records to any repository! Your only alternative would be to contact the Cemetery where the person was buried or find the obit in one of the newspapers of the time And use that as a pointer to possible other records. Sometimes, if a funeral home is taken over/purchased by one that continues in the same location, The records stay in the basement or such and may be accessed but no guarantee of that. Wish I had some better news for you but that is how it is. Perhaps posting an inquiry on this site about the family name you are seeking would elicit a response from Someone collaterally related. [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elaine; Here's a possibility: Southtown Economist, 1 Sep 1931 - Chicago, Illinois Shields--Katherine Shields, nee Carroll, beloved wife of the late George Shields, fond mother of Mrs.John Simpson, Mrs. Robert McAneney, Mrs. A.A. Glaab, and George., sister of Mrs. B. Walsh, Mrs C. Mahoney, Patrick and Bernard Carroll. Funeral Wednesday, at 9:30 a.m., from her residence 6531 Francisco ave. to St. Rita's church, where solemn high mass will be celebrated. Interment will be at Holy Sepulchre, Member of St. Beatrice Court No 167, W.C.O.F. Cheers, Masugu [email protected]

Sending under separate cover. Patti ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 10:53:01 AM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Obit for Helen Reichel Dear Listers, Is there anyone who could look for and send me, if found, an obituary for Helen Reichel who died in Chicago in August 1981? The zip code at her death was 60656. Thanks. Daryl Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elaine, the obit below may not be for the wife of your George Shields.   In the obit re Mrs. John Simpson: John J. Simpson wed Mary T. Shields on 9-30-1918  (birth years for both given as 1894)   In the obit re Mrs. Robert McAneney: Robert Thomas McAneney wed Catherine E. Shields on 9-10-1919 (birth years - groom, 1891; bride, 1895)   Both marriages took place at St. Bernard's Parish.   Did not find a marriage for Mrs. A. A. Glaab.   Are you 100% sure the George Shields who died in 1891 is "your" George Shields?   Ruth --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Masugu <[email protected]> wrote: From: Masugu <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Birth and Marriage Records ca 1891 - Who is the wife/mother? To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 9:20 AM Hi Elaine; Here's a possibility: Southtown Economist, 1 Sep 1931 - Chicago, Illinois Shields--Katherine Shields, nee Carroll, beloved wife of the late  George Shields, fond mother of Mrs.John Simpson, Mrs. Robert McAneney,  Mrs.  A.A. Glaab, and George., sister of Mrs. B. Walsh, Mrs C.  Mahoney, Patrick and Bernard Carroll. Funeral Wednesday, at 9:30 a.m.,  from her residence 6531 Francisco ave. to St. Rita's church, where  solemn high mass will be celebrated. Interment will be at Holy  Sepulchre, Member of St. Beatrice Court No 167, W.C.O.F. Cheers, Masugu [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Yesterday I was browsing through images at the LDS pilot site, specifically in the Netherlands Civil Registration, which were organized by geographic location, record type(birth, marriage and death) and year. This morning the image description is gone; replaced by a "digital film number" or "digital folder number." I tried browsing through the Cook County records and found no image descriptions only digital film numbers. My question is: where is the guide that shows what digital film number corresponds to what geographic area and record type? Dave Otto

Patricia, Thanks for the additional input. Guess I need to do more research on these other children of Katherine (Carroll) Shields and if they were born after our George died, then she would not be the one. If they were born before, then a possibility and maybe a reason she gave George (Jr) to paternal grandmother to raise. Back to census records............................. Elaine On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:40 AM, patricia meyers <[email protected]> wrote: > SHEILS, GEORGE                       CARROLL, KATHARINE > 1891-04-09    /     00164592 COOK

SHEILS, GEORGE                       CARROLL, KATHARINE                   1891-04-09    /     00164592 COOK                To add to Masugu's information....if this is the right George, marriage took place just before George T. died in June 1891 and Junior was born.  Patti ________________________________ From: Masugu <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 9:20:27 AM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Birth and Marriage Records ca 1891 - Who is the wife/mother? Hi Elaine; Here's a possibility: Southtown Economist, 1 Sep 1931 - Chicago, Illinois Shields--Katherine Shields, nee Carroll, beloved wife of the late  George Shields, fond mother of Mrs.John Simpson, Mrs. Robert McAneney,  Mrs.  A.A. Glaab, and George., sister of Mrs. B. Walsh, Mrs C.  Mahoney, Patrick and Bernard Carroll. Funeral Wednesday, at 9:30 a.m.,  from her residence 6531 Francisco ave. to St. Rita's church, where  solemn high mass will be celebrated. Interment will be at Holy  Sepulchre, Member of St. Beatrice Court No 167, W.C.O.F. Cheers, Masugu [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know where the 1942 records may be kept for a "BRUECKS" Funeral Home at Linden Ave & Tower Rd, Hubbard Woods, Il? Thank you, Kathy

I had an opportunity a couple/few years ago to speak with a supervisor at Cook County Vital Records who said their birth register request procedure was to check the index for dates and certificate numbers (a three year search), then check for the certificate (although a birth was recorded, there may not be a certificate) and lastly to check the actual birth register.   I've found many, many births in the registers paid for and that CCVR had previously told me there was no record found. The registers are on film at the LDS Family History Centers.  They are in chronological order and contain the same information that would have been on the birth certificate.  It's not an easy search because of the hand written entries but, is well worth the effort.   Judie Mason Chicago   --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Beth Walsh <[email protected]> wrote: From: Beth Walsh <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Missing Birth Record To: "County Cook" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:12 PM Keep in mind though that not all births, deaths or marriages were recorded. At least in Illinois, it was not required until 1916 to record these events. So, although there ARE certificates available from earlier years, not everyone is registered. And, when dealing with an index, there is always the possibility of human error. The name simply could have been missed and not indexed. Also, some of these indexes are not completed yet. Keep checking back and they may show up yet. Beth > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Michele <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > again, but I've found my grandmother is not there > either although one of her two brothers is there who was born in 1904.  > Are there any years where birth records and registers don't exist any > more? > > > > Mary Snow wrote: > > >> Everything we have says that she was born in > Chicago in 1895 but I > > >> haven't been able to find her birth record. > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Keep in mind though that not all births, deaths or marriages were recorded. At least in Illinois, it was not required until 1916 to record these events. So, although there ARE certificates available from earlier years, not everyone is registered. And, when dealing with an index, there is always the possibility of human error. The name simply could have been missed and not indexed. Also, some of these indexes are not completed yet. Keep checking back and they may show up yet. Beth > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Michele <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > again, but I've found my grandmother is not there > either although one of her two brothers is there who was born in 1904.  > Are there any years where birth records and registers don't exist any > more? > > > > Mary Snow wrote: > > >> Everything we have says that she was born in > Chicago in 1895 but I > > >> haven't been able to find her birth record. > > >> > > >> > > >>

I would be thinking infectious disease by now, wondering if there were multiple deaths in the family. But meantime try looking for a marriage for a Shield woman something might pop. Did George the son marry? Can you find a report on that? Were there any more children? Eliz On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:11 AM, "E" Sharp <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been to this site before and I'm back.... Here is my dilemma > and it is the only brick wall left in my research of our Shields > family. > George T. Shields (Sr) was born in Lockport, Will County, 1861 and > died June 21, 1891, Chicago, Cook County, Illinois.  His death record > says he is married but does not give the name of his wife. He was > living at 172 W. Vanburen, Chicago when he died.  Chicago directory > records I have found have him living in Chicago in 1888, 1890, 1891. > In Lockport, Will County, where he was born and where the rest of his > family lived, there is no record of a marriage for him so I can only > assume he married in Chicago ca 1888-1890.  I need some guidance on > if/how/where to pursue a marriage record for him in Cook Co.  He is > not the George Shields who married Mary Harvey in Will County.  His > son George T. Shields (Jr) was born Jan 9, 1891, in Chicago (a few > months before his father died).   His 1943 death record does not give > the name of his mother.  His marriage record does not give the name of > his mother.  His WWI Draft Registration Record does not give the name > of his mother.  In 1900 census, George (Jr) is living with the family > of his father in Lockport and was brought up by them.  Where is his > mother?  Did she die?  Did she abandon him?  So, I also need some > guidance on if/how/where I should pursue a birth record for him.  Our > ultimate goal -- to find the wife of George T. Shields (Sr), > therefore, mother of George T. Shields (Jr). > > Thank you. > Elaine Sharp > Sacramento CA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary Shields, who died in 1893, died from septicemia due to a miscarriage. Patti ________________________________ From: Sharon Rauworth <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 2:42:37 PM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Birth and Marriage Records ca 1891 - Who is the wife/mother? Hi Elaine, I checked the Illinois Statewide Death Index, Pre-1916 and found a couple that might be possibilities for George T. (Jr.) mother. There was a Mary SHIELDS who died 1893-05-10 in Chicago at the age of 35.  Certificate # 00017807 in Cook County. There us also a long shot of Elizabeth SHIELDS who died 1895-11-27 in Chicago at the age of 28.  Certificate # 00018256 in Cook County. You might check to see if anyone could find obituaries on either one of them to see if they might tell you more information. Hope these might be of help to you. Sharon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've seen that too; I've found Rupell instead of Russell many times! Beth Gatlin -----Original Message----- From: Masugu <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:21 am Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Missing Birth & Death Certificates Hi All; Those double SS'es were just as likely to look like P's. Thus, when esearching my wife's CASSON line, I also had to look for CAPONs. Cheers, Masugu [email protected] > Depending on?what decade way back when, ?"L's" were written as "S,es".? Just like doubles SS'es were writen as "fs.? Confusing but a visit to any site that discusses? archaic wrting will explain a lot.? Those who transcribe L as S might benifit from a visit to these sites. E. Stewart ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message