ok, more information current as of this year   being married by a minister (Betheran Church) for the 1st marriage   was going to require an annullment before a Catholic Church marriage was going to be allowed take care, Debbie ________________________________ From: derfamgen <derfamgen@yahoo.com> To: "COOK-CO-IL-L@rootsweb.com" <COOK-CO-IL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Another Catholic marriage question Thanks for all your suggestions.  I know the first wife was still living at the time of the second marriage.  I'm not sure if the first marriage was in the Catholic Church or not as I cannot see a copy of the marriage license on FamilySearch, only that they were married in Wisconsin.  Will have to research that further.   I found a copy of the marriage certificate from the Catholic second marriage and the address shown is 2153 Millard Ave., which when I google it, comes up as Blessed Sacrament Church in Chicago.  Do anyone know whether that church is still in existence?   Thanks again, Mickey in AZ On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, derfamgen <derfamgen@yahoo.com> wrote: > Another Catholic marriage question here.  My grandfather was divorced from his first wife in the early 1910's.  She apparently had someone else on the side and left him and their two sons.  He remarried and I found records of both a civil marriage in 1917 and a Catholic marriage in 1920.  Would the catholic marriage have required an annulment of the first marriage in order for the second marriage to occur in the church?  Would the church keep records of that? > > Thanks, > Mickey in AZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lila White Mother Warrior to Mark, 20 and recovered http://remarkableson.wordpress.com/ Elgin, IL ----{--@ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for all your suggestions.  I know the first wife was still living at the time of the second marriage.  I'm not sure if the first marriage was in the Catholic Church or not as I cannot see a copy of the marriage license on FamilySearch, only that they were married in Wisconsin.  Will have to research that further.   I found a copy of the marriage certificate from the Catholic second marriage and the address shown is 2153 Millard Ave., which when I google it, comes up as Blessed Sacrament Church in Chicago.  Do anyone know whether that church is still in existence?   Thanks again, Mickey in AZ On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, derfamgen <derfamgen@yahoo.com> wrote: > Another Catholic marriage question here.  My grandfather was divorced from his first wife in the early 1910's.  She apparently had someone else on the side and left him and their two sons.  He remarried and I found records of both a civil marriage in 1917 and a Catholic marriage in 1920.  Would the catholic marriage have required an annulment of the first marriage in order for the second marriage to occur in the church?  Would the church keep records of that? > > Thanks, > Mickey in AZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lila White Mother Warrior to Mark, 20 and recovered http://remarkableson.wordpress.com/ Elgin, IL ----{--@

Hi Patti, Thanks for the link to Pointers (I played there a bit last week) and for the German newspaper suggestion. I really like the newspaper idea. Maybe obituaries were published there in addition to the Daily News. Maybe they'll include more info. St Peter's was sixth on my list Sunday. There were Muellers in the church records, but not mine as far as I could tell. In the 1900 census, Elizabeth said she lost 2 childre, so I looked for them too. Much of what I know about this family is posted on my web site and on my blog. The web addresses for both are near the bottom of this email. In the 1880 census and the 1890 Chicago City Directory, Jacob and Elisabeth Mueller lived at 102 West Madison St. The 1885 city directory shows Jacob at 894 W Madison St. The 1892 and 1895 city directories and the 1900 census shows 638 W 61st St. The address was changed before the 1910 census to 538 W 61st St. Yesterday I used Google Maps and listed six streets north, south, east, and west of each of the three addresses. Then I highlighted the names of churches that appeared on those streets. I used Pointer to find name changes or churches that merged. No luck in any of the records. The couple had two children; Alfred born 22 Sept 1879 and Alma born Sep 1882. Alfred married a Catholic and attended Catholic church as an adult. Alma is still a bit of a mystery; she completely disappears after Otto's death. Elizabeth died 29 Dec 1901, Jacob died 17 Oct 1910, and Otto died 16 Apr 1912. I checked the church records beyond 1912 in case Alma got married after Otto died, but didn't see anything. Both parents' obits say "Cincinnati paper please copy". There were blurbs in the Englewood paper about Alma visiting relatives there, so maybe that's where she headed after Otto's death, although I haven't found her there yet. I haven't seen her in any records with her brother Alfred who lived in Chicago his whole life. Now that I'm writing this I'm wondering about the house. There was a mortgage on it and the two owners died presumably leaving Alma alone there. She wouldn't have been able to afford to keep the house, so what paper trail would have transpired? Could she have sold the house? Or would the city or state have taken it? And Otto was recently divorced when he died. He lived a few blocks from his parents. He was a civil engineer with the city. Would there be records of what happened to his house? There was nothing in the Daily News about his death. He was written about in the Englewood paper several times while he was alive. One last question (thanks everyone for indulging me); is there a way to see the Englewood papers long distance? I don't live in Illinois. I visit several times a year but my living relatives get testy if I spend too much time with my dead relatives. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:31 AM, patricia meyers <pattimeyers67@att.net>wrote: > Have you tried the German newspapers in Chicago...I think there were a > couple of them? > > My late husband's ancestors went to St. Peter's which was a German church > and St. Boniface which was also German. I'm attaching a list of Catholic > churches which might help you in your research. > > If you gave the list more detailed information, like names and addresses, > etc., we might be able to make more suggestions or even find something for > you. > > Patti > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Laura <find.an.ancestor@gmail.com> > *To:* COOK-CO-IL-L@rootsweb.com > *Sent:* Mon, October 10, 2011 5:40:55 AM > *Subject:* Re: [COOK-CO-IL] What could a Catholic do? > > Many thanks to Penny, Patti and Joseph - I appreciate your quick responses > to my dilemma! > > My 2nd great-grandmother Elizabeth was married in a Catholic church the > first time, I have an announcement from a German-language newspaper in > Cincinnati. Her divorce and remarriage occurred in Chicago. Based on your > responses (and 14 church searches), she probably changed religions or gave > up going to church. > > She was born into a Catholic family in a German-dialect speaking area of > France (hence the German newspaper listing). Husband #1 was German. My 2nd > great-grandfather Swiss-born Jacob (husband # 2) also spoke German. I'm > going to keep my fingers crossed that they went German Reformed/Lutheran. > > Obits exist for Elizabeth and Jacob. No church is mentioned in either. Otto > took his life in 1912 - both parents were already deceased. All three are > buried in Oakwoods. No obit for Otto. Seven days ago today (but who's > counting!) I requested his inquest records from the Medical Examiner. > > I have records up to Elizabeth's 3rd great-grandparents and counting but I > can't get Jacob across the pond!! Ugh!! > It's all relative, Laura PS - Do we have an ancestor in common? Check my family history web site<http://livinginthepastlane.com/> or my blog <http://livinginthepastlane.blogspot.com/>.

Abendpost is on film at the Harold Washington Library here in Chicago.  I think it's also available at the HWL website     http://www.chipublib.org/branch/details/library/harold-washington/   Judie Mason ________________________________ From: Kay B <kayb48@yahoo.com> To: COOK-CO-IL <COOK-CO-IL-L@rootsweb.com>; "find.an.ancestor@gmail.com" <find.an.ancestor@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:18 PM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] What could a Catholic do? There was a German paper in Chicago called Abendpost  http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045771/   Kathleen Brennan Mammoser Researching BRENNAN, BRETT,GALLAGHER & KENNEDY in CO MAYO > CHICAGO and BRENNAN in CO SLIGO > CHICAGO HOWARD in CO CORK > HARVARD , IL > CHICAGO BRICKLEY in CO CORK > HARVARD, IL > CHICAGO MAMMOSER in Schoenenbourg , FRANCE > CHICAGO   http://www.mammoser.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

or the death of the 1st spouse take care, Debbie ________________________________ From: "DLCulhane@cs.com" <DLCulhane@cs.com> To: derfamgen@yahoo.com; COOK-CO-IL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Another Catholic marriage question The first marriage would have had to be annulled before the second Catholic marriage. I'm sure there are records, but don't know where or how accessible they are. Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There was a German paper in Chicago called Abendpost  http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045771/   Kathleen Brennan Mammoser Researching BRENNAN, BRETT,GALLAGHER & KENNEDY in CO MAYO > CHICAGO and BRENNAN in CO SLIGO > CHICAGO HOWARD in CO CORK > HARVARD , IL > CHICAGO BRICKLEY in CO CORK > HARVARD, IL > CHICAGO MAMMOSER in Schoenenbourg , FRANCE > CHICAGO   http://www.mammoser.com

The first marriage would have had to be annulled before the second Catholic marriage. I'm sure there are records, but don't know where or how accessible they are. Diane

Laura, one more thought on this. If you think some of Elizabeth's descendants may have been Catholic and you know their birth and death dates, you could ask someone for a lookup in one of the Chicago Catholic cemetery kiosks, as there is a combined database for all the cemeteries. I've found it's pretty complete. Of course, it's most helpful if the names aren't too common... Diane

My ggrandmother was born to a Roman Catholic family and she too divorced (we believe but family tales of the circumstances vary) @ 1866ish, she spent the rest of her life as a Member of the Presbyterian church. And she was not the only one of this Irish catholic family to marry and leave the church or maybe leave the church and marry. Eliz On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Laura <find.an.ancestor@gmail.com> wrote: > Good evening Cooksters, > > After hours of searching the newly posted Catholic records on FamilySearch > with ZERO sucess, I am wondering if I'm barking up the wrong tree. :o) I > hope someone on the list can help me. > > A French-born Catholic wife and mother divorced her German husband in 1874. > Days later she is married again, this time by a Justice of the Peace. Her > new husband is Swiss. Would the Catholic Church allow her to remain a > member? Recognize her second marriage? Could her children (born of the > second marriage) be baptized in the Catholic faith? > > I'm not sure if husband #2 was Catholic or even religious. But if the > Catholic Church didn't accept marriage #2, maybe the couple changed > religions? Gave up going to church? > > To add another twist, the woman's son (from marriage #1) took his own life > in 1912. Assuming he was Catholic, what would the Church's reaction be? I > mean, could he have a Catholic funeral etc? > > Any thoughts? I matched their three known addressed with city directory > church listings over a 30 year span and viewed 14 churches worth of records. > My propects are thinning rapidly... > > It's all relative, > > Laura > > PS - Do we have an ancestor in common? Check my family history web > site<http://livinginthepastlane.com/> or > my blog <http://livinginthepastlane.blogspot.com/>. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not quite sure what the Vatican's policy was in 1920 but currently, a first marriage would have to be annulled unless the original spouse had died. A religous ceremony was considered the "valid" marriage in the church. Toni H. St. Peters, MO ________________________________ From: derfamgen <derfamgen@yahoo.com> To: "COOK-CO-IL-L@rootsweb.com" <COOK-CO-IL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, October 10, 2011 2:31:23 PM Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Another Catholic marriage question Another Catholic marriage question here.  My grandfather was divorced from his first wife in the early 1910's.  She apparently had someone else on the side and left him and their two sons.  He remarried and I found records of both a civil marriage in 1917 and a Catholic marriage in 1920.  Would the catholic marriage have required an annulment of the first marriage in order for the second marriage to occur in the church?  Would the church keep records of that?   Thanks, Mickey in AZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another Catholic marriage question here.  My grandfather was divorced from his first wife in the early 1910's.  She apparently had someone else on the side and left him and their two sons.  He remarried and I found records of both a civil marriage in 1917 and a Catholic marriage in 1920.  Would the catholic marriage have required an annulment of the first marriage in order for the second marriage to occur in the church?  Would the church keep records of that?   Thanks, Mickey in AZ

Laura, Cradle Catholic, still practicing. I believe Mr. Martin's response is essentially correct regarding the non-recognition of the second marriage, the requirement that she continue to attend Mass, as well as the official reaction to the suicide. However, there would have been no prohibition to the baptism of any children born to that second marriage. The "sins" of the parents are not visited upon the heads of the children in Catholic moral theology. However, I believe that if the mother did approach a priest about having her children baptized, the priest would have insisted up and expected practicing Catholics to act as godparents to help insure that the children would grow up in the Catholic faith. I had a similar situation in my family. The children of the second, non-recognized marriage were baptized, raised as Catholics, and were married and buried in the Catholic faith, as were the children of the first marriage, as were children of an earlier totally non-Catholic marriage by one of the partners. Patrick J. McCann, Jr. Dallas, TX Crescit Sub Pondere Virtus

Many thanks to Penny, Patti and Joseph - I appreciate your quick responses to my dilemma! My 2nd great-grandmother Elizabeth was married in a Catholic church the first time, I have an announcement from a German-language newspaper in Cincinnati. Her divorce and remarriage occurred in Chicago. Based on your responses (and 14 church searches), she probably changed religions or gave up going to church. She was born into a Catholic family in a German-dialect speaking area of France (hence the German newspaper listing). Husband #1 was German. My 2nd great-grandfather Swiss-born Jacob (husband # 2) also spoke German. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that they went German Reformed/Lutheran. Obits exist for Elizabeth and Jacob. No church is mentioned in either. Otto took his life in 1912 - both parents were already deceased. All three are buried in Oakwoods. No obit for Otto. Seven days ago today (but who's counting!) I requested his inquest records from the Medical Examiner. I have records up to Elizabeth's 3rd great-grandparents and counting but I can't get Jacob across the pond!! Ugh!! On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Joseph Martin <illinoisgenie@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Laura, > > Life long Catholic here!!! > > The Catholic Church would not have recognized her second marriage before a > Justice of the Peace, especially in 1874. In those days it would not have > recognized her divorce. She could have continued to attend mass but not > receive communion if she chose to. > > The Church in those days was eager to baptize infants, and it might have > been possible for some leeway granted to her, but I doubt it. She might have > felt that she removed herself from the church and never returned. I would > suspect that they just did not bother with any church, but I could be wrong > there. > > In those days the son who completed suicide could not have a funeral mass > and would not have been buried in a Catholic cemetery. Thank God that > attitudes have changed in this regard today. > > Do you have these obituaries? Do they shed any light on any of these > people? > >

I have received from Cook County Clerk David Orr a Report of Birth for one Margaret Walsh (not mine) born 23 Jul 1898 - father: Jo hn Walsh, born New York; mother: Margaret Sheridan, born England. They lived at 848 Paulina Street. If this is any relation to anyone, please contact me of list and I will mail it to you. Bill

Hi Laura, Life long Catholic here!!! The Catholic Church would not have recognized her second marriage before a Justice of the Peace, especially in 1874. In those days it would not have recognized her divorce. She could have continued to attend mass but not receive communion if she chose to. The Church in those days was eager to baptize infants, and it might have been possible for some leeway granted to her, but I doubt it. She might have felt that she removed herself from the church and never returned. I would suspect that they just did not bother with any church, but I could be wrong there. In those days the son who completed suicide could not have a funeral mass and would not have been buried in a Catholic cemetery. Thank God that attitudes have changed in this regard today. Do you have these obituaries? Do they shed any light on any of these people? I hope this helps. Joseph Martin Romeoville, Illinois On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Laura <find.an.ancestor@gmail.com> wrote: > Good evening Cooksters, > > After hours of searching the newly posted Catholic records on FamilySearch > with ZERO sucess, I am wondering if I'm barking up the wrong tree. :o) I > hope someone on the list can help me. > > A French-born Catholic wife and mother divorced her German husband in 1874. > Days later she is married again, this time by a Justice of the Peace. Her > new husband is Swiss. Would the Catholic Church allow her to remain a > member? Recognize her second marriage? Could her children (born of the > second marriage) be baptized in the Catholic faith? > > I'm not sure if husband #2 was Catholic or even religious. But if the > Catholic Church didn't accept marriage #2, maybe the couple changed > religions? Gave up going to church? > > To add another twist, the woman's son (from marriage #1) took his own life > in 1912. Assuming he was Catholic, what would the Church's reaction be? I > mean, could he have a Catholic funeral etc? > > Any thoughts? I matched their three known addressed with city directory > church listings over a 30 year span and viewed 14 churches worth of > records. > My propects are thinning rapidly... > > It's all relative, > > Laura > > PS - Do we have an ancestor in common? Check my family history web > site<http://livinginthepastlane.com/> or > my blog <http://livinginthepastlane.blogspot.com/>. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Adam and Eve must have found genealogy very boring.

Good evening Cooksters, After hours of searching the newly posted Catholic records on FamilySearch with ZERO sucess, I am wondering if I'm barking up the wrong tree. :o) I hope someone on the list can help me. A French-born Catholic wife and mother divorced her German husband in 1874. Days later she is married again, this time by a Justice of the Peace. Her new husband is Swiss. Would the Catholic Church allow her to remain a member? Recognize her second marriage? Could her children (born of the second marriage) be baptized in the Catholic faith? I'm not sure if husband #2 was Catholic or even religious. But if the Catholic Church didn't accept marriage #2, maybe the couple changed religions? Gave up going to church? To add another twist, the woman's son (from marriage #1) took his own life in 1912. Assuming he was Catholic, what would the Church's reaction be? I mean, could he have a Catholic funeral etc? Any thoughts? I matched their three known addressed with city directory church listings over a 30 year span and viewed 14 churches worth of records. My propects are thinning rapidly... It's all relative, Laura PS - Do we have an ancestor in common? Check my family history web site<http://livinginthepastlane.com/> or my blog <http://livinginthepastlane.blogspot.com/>.

You might want to use the Newberry www.chicagoancestors.org website to locate churches.  With addresses before 1909 and 1911 you need to use the tools section for the present day address to insert in the locate section.  Using the present day address will bring up much information including churches in the area and indicate when they were established.  First Zion Evangelical seems to fit and the records are at the Newberry Library.

Judy, There is a church on the corner of Lotus and Van Buren. (See Google maps) The address is 5450 W. Van Buren. Today it is called Prince of Peace Baptist Church. I doubt it is is the same congregation as your great-grandmother attended. I suggest you write to the archives of the Evangelical Church of America archives@elca.org The archivists there are always very helpful and may be able to steer you in the right direction. If we knew your great-grandmother's name or her address in 1957, perhaps we could ascertain if this is the correct neighborhood. Robert Evensen ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy petersen" <skigranny@gmail.com> To: <doriswaggoner@juno.com>; "cook county mailing list" <COOK-CO-IL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Zion Evangelical Church >I just saw this reply too. Part of the confusion is the name of the >church, > which probably has changed since 1957. The family was German, so perhaps > I > need to find where to write for records of both the Evangelical Church & > the > Evangelical Reformed Church in Chicago. Unfortunately, I don't have more > exact information. Thanks for the reply & help. > Judy > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:06 PM, doriswaggoner@juno.com < > doriswaggoner@juno.com> wrote: > >> Judy, >> >> It depends partly on the denomination name when your g grandparents >> married. Evangelical was a common denominational name. Was it Lutheran? >> And was it Norwegian Lutheran (what synod?) , German Lutheran, Missiouri >> Synod, or what kind of Lutheran? There was also an Evangelical Church >> which >> in the 1930s merged with a Reform denomination to become the Evangelical >> and >> Reform Church. They merged in the late 1950s with the Congregational >> Christian Church to become the United Church of Christ. There were >> probably >> other Evangelical denominations I'm not familiar with in the late 19th >> and 1st half of the 20th c. So you need to know exactly which >> denomination >> it was at the date of their marriage, and in 1957. >> >> Churches changed locations, too, so knowing where the congregation was in >> 1957 may not tell you where the church was in 1886, unless you have some >> history of the church that tells you that for sure. Those on the list >> who >> live in Chicago can help with that part of your query. >> >> This isn't to discourage you, but to say that you need some additional >> specific information before you can get to your answers. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Doris >> >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: judy petersen <skigranny@gmail.com> >> To: cook county mailing list <COOK-CO-IL@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Zion Evangelical Church >> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:19:36 -0800 >> >> Hello Listers, >> I am looking for a specific Evangelical Church in Chicago: Zion >> Evangelical >> Church, Loftus & Van Buren Streets. My gr grandmother was the longest >> living member of that church in 1957. More specifically, I would like to >> find the marriage records for that church - my gr grandparents were >> married >> in 1886, & I am looking for his village of origin in Silesia, which might >> (I >> hope) appear on that church record. They were married by Rev. Klein, >> first >> name possibly Peter. >> I googled the church name but couldn't find anything that seemed to be on >> those street names. Any idea where I can find the records of that church >> if >> it doesn't exist today? Thanks in advance. >> Judy, Anchorage AK >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> *57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25* >> Mom Reveals Free Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! >> <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4e8fbe3ae422389ff74st05vuc> >> ConsumerLifestyles.org<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4e8fbe3ae422389ff74st05vuc> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Judy, I don't find a Loftus Street in Chicago in 1909 or 1928 or 2011. Do you perhaps mean Lotus and Van Buren? That intersection does exist today. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy petersen" <skigranny@gmail.com> To: <doriswaggoner@juno.com>; "cook county mailing list" <COOK-CO-IL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [COOK-CO-IL] Zion Evangelical Church >I just saw this reply too. Part of the confusion is the name of the >church, > which probably has changed since 1957. The family was German, so perhaps > I > need to find where to write for records of both the Evangelical Church & > the > Evangelical Reformed Church in Chicago. Unfortunately, I don't have more > exact information. Thanks for the reply & help. > Judy > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:06 PM, doriswaggoner@juno.com < > doriswaggoner@juno.com> wrote: > >> Judy, >> >> It depends partly on the denomination name when your g grandparents >> married. Evangelical was a common denominational name. Was it Lutheran? >> And was it Norwegian Lutheran (what synod?) , German Lutheran, Missiouri >> Synod, or what kind of Lutheran? There was also an Evangelical Church >> which >> in the 1930s merged with a Reform denomination to become the Evangelical >> and >> Reform Church. They merged in the late 1950s with the Congregational >> Christian Church to become the United Church of Christ. There were >> probably >> other Evangelical denominations I'm not familiar with in the late 19th >> and 1st half of the 20th c. So you need to know exactly which >> denomination >> it was at the date of their marriage, and in 1957. >> >> Churches changed locations, too, so knowing where the congregation was in >> 1957 may not tell you where the church was in 1886, unless you have some >> history of the church that tells you that for sure. Those on the list >> who >> live in Chicago can help with that part of your query. >> >> This isn't to discourage you, but to say that you need some additional >> specific information before you can get to your answers. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Doris >> >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: judy petersen <skigranny@gmail.com> >> To: cook county mailing list <COOK-CO-IL@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [COOK-CO-IL] Zion Evangelical Church >> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:19:36 -0800 >> >> Hello Listers, >> I am looking for a specific Evangelical Church in Chicago: Zion >> Evangelical >> Church, Loftus & Van Buren Streets. My gr grandmother was the longest >> living member of that church in 1957. More specifically, I would like to >> find the marriage records for that church - my gr grandparents were >> married >> in 1886, & I am looking for his village of origin in Silesia, which might >> (I >> hope) appear on that church record. They were married by Rev. Klein, >> first >> name possibly Peter. >> I googled the church name but couldn't find anything that seemed to be on >> those street names. Any idea where I can find the records of that church >> if >> it doesn't exist today? Thanks in advance. >> Judy, Anchorage AK >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> *57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25* >> Mom Reveals Free Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! >> <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4e8fbe3ae422389ff74st05vuc> >> ConsumerLifestyles.org<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4e8fbe3ae422389ff74st05vuc> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COOK-CO-IL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for that info & link. I was getting stymied by the Evangelical or Evangelical reformed difference, but I may also search for churches of both denominations & see what comes up. I may also google Trinity Resources Unlimited & see if they know who the former property owners or residents are & what might have happened to them. Thanks again to everyone who has replied about finding the church. Judy On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Kay B <kayb48@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear Judy, > Ah, Lotus not Loftus. That makes more sense. I can see from Google maps > that the church building is still standing, but is called Trinity Resources > Unlimited. > Perhaps you can get in touch with an evangelical church in Chicago and see > if they have any info on Zion or at least be able to point you in the right > direction. There is a church in Matteson named Zion. Sometimes when a > neighborhood goes bad the church will move to location where the land is > cheaper, where they may get new congregants and still keep some of the > current members and they will keep the same name. It's worth a try. Here > is the info: > Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church > 3840 216th Pl. > Matteson, IL > > > Kathleen Brennan Mammoser > Researching BRENNAN, BRETT,GALLAGHER & KENNEDY in CO MAYO > CHICAGO and > BRENNAN in CO SLIGO > CHICAGO > > HOWARD in CO CORK > HARVARD , IL > CHICAGO > BRICKLEY in CO CORK > HARVARD, IL > CHICAGO > MAMMOSER in Schoenenbourg , FRANCE > CHICAGO http://www.mammoser.com > >