Then, let's all help support it by sending in donations to: RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative P.O. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 or online at: <http://www.rootsweb.com/>http://www.rootsweb.com I just sent in my yearly donation and I urge you to do the same. It takes a lot of money to keep all 3000+ lists going! Not to mention all of the free web pages! Even one dollar can make the difference! (BTW, I'm just a volunteer and make no financial gain from RootsWeb.) Happy Hunting! Tracey Converse Genealogy Records Service The Internet's One Stop Shop for Quality Genealogy Products <http://www.genrecords.com/>http://www.genrecords.com Stop by and download our FREE genealogy forms online!!! **************************************************************************** **** Listowner of GenTips, GenChat, GenSwap, ISBELL, BROOME, COBB, CONVERSE, DAWSON, ISBELL, MAYFIELD, McCLAIN, NESBIT, RABURN, RYE **************************************************************************** ****

Hey folks, Things have been a little slow on the lists lately so I thought I would encourage you guys to dig through your files a bit and let's start posting some information. I don't mind if it's your brick wall or if it is a list of marriages of the surname we are working on! Remember, one piece of paper that doesn't help you just might be the clue someone else needs to leap over their wall!!!! Happy Huntin' Tracey Converse Genealogy Records Service The Internet's One Stop Shop for Quality Genealogy Products <http://www.genrecords.com/>http://www.genrecords.com Stop by and download our FREE genealogy forms online!!! **************************************************************************** **** Listowner of GenTips, GenChat, GenSwap, ISBELL, BROOME, COBB, CONVERSE, DAWSON, ISBELL, MAYFIELD, McCLAIN, NESBIT, RABURN, RYE **************************************************************************** ****

I just found this on the newsgroups and thought you'd might like to read it as well. ------------------------------------- [ If you are receiving this message via a Rootsweb mailing list please ignore it. This message is aimed at usenet newsgroup readers only ] Many of you may have noticed an increase in the number of spam postings to this and other newsgroups over the past few days. The volunteers who work behind the scenes to remove 90% of the spam from usenet are, for the most part, on strike as of this past Friday. Who are these "spam cancellers" and why are they on strike? Most of them work as volunteers, and because of the efforts of this very small group of people, roughly 1.3 *million* spam posts are cancelled from usenet every week. The little bit of spam that you usually do see is just a tiny fraction of the spam that actually gets posted. Fully 40% of all Usenet traffic is spam and another 40% is cancel messages to delete spam. We just don't usually see all that spam thanks to the volunteer spam cancellers. 90%-95% of the spam is cancelled before it ever reaches your site. Well, now we may begin to get a taste of what things would be like without the spam cancellers. [ For more information on what is and isn't spam and how ] [ spam cancelling works, read the Net-Abuse FAQ at: ] [ <http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html> ] The spam cancellers don't like the fact that they have to cancel spam in order to keep Usenet usable. They would eventually like to be able to stop cancelling spam permanently. Most of them feel that cancelling someone else's posts is fundamentally wrong, but that if they didn't do this, usenet would collapse under the weight of all the spam. Spam cancelling is generally viewed as a necessary evil. It was originally begun as a temporary stopgap measure until better solutions could be found and implemented. Several other solutions to stop spam have now been developed (such as filtering both incoming and outgoing spam at the ISP level) but, unfortunately, the ISPs (especially the small and medium sized providers) have been slow to implement these measures. Many ISPs have become complacent, depending far too much on the work of the volunteer spam cancellers, and taking the massive number of cancels they issue for granted. As of Friday, the vast majority of the volunteers have responded to a call for a "Usenet Spam Cancel Moratorium" and they have temporarily stopped cancelling spam posts to demonstrate to the ISPs and to the Usenet community at large just what things would be like without the spam cancels. Those ISPs that have already implemented their own anti-spam measures will be largely unaffected (many of you may not have noticed any increase in spam at all because it is being filtered out by your provider, or by your provider's upstream news feed). But ISPs that have been lazy about implementing anti-spam measures may find themselves flooded with spam. It is even possible that some small news servers may have to shut down because of the increased load. Those that are able to keep running will find themselves being hit from both sides...rivers of spam pouring in through their news feeds and rivers of email complaints pouring in from their customers. It is hoped that this pressure will force the ISPs that have not already adopted anti-spam measures to finally start doing something. No one knows how long this cancel moratorium will last. Estimates range from weeks to months. It will probably affect all *unmoderated* newsgroups on Usenet to some extent, but it is likely that alt.genealogy will be much more heavily affected than the soc.genealogy.* groups because the spammers seem to heavily favor the alt.* groups. WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT: Do *not* post complaints about spam back to the newsgroup. The spammers don't bother to come back and read your responses. They just spam the group and move on. Posting your complaints to the newsgroup only adds to the problem. Do *not* post complaints about spam back to the newsgroup. (I know I already said that, but it bears repeating) Do *not* complain directly to the spammer via email. "From:" and "Reply to:" lines in spam messages are routinely forged so your complaint has very little chance of actually reaching the spammer and even if it does it will almost certainly be ignored. Do try to forward complaints to the news administrator at the spammer's service provider. This can be tricky unless you are adept at interpreting headers that have been forged to disguise the actual host of the sender. Remember to be polite when you send a complaint to a spammer's provider and always quote the full spam message *including* all of the headers. In addition to complaining about the particular spam message you saw, *please* also urge the administrator to install filters to trap and remove the majority of spam from his outgoing news. For more on how to interpret forged headers) visit URL: <http://kb.indiana.edu/data/afco.html> Please *do* write to the news administrators of your *own* ISP to complain about the amount of spam they are allowing to come through to you. Request or demand that they install filters to trap the spam before it gets to you. And be sure to request that they filter *outgoing* spam as well. In a separate post, you'll find a sample letter to your ISP, requesting that filters be installed to cut the level of spam. Included will be pointers to sites that the ISP's news administrators can visit to find out how to implement spam filtering on their systems. If you have a newsreader with filtering capabilities that you have never bothered to figure out, now might be the time to investigate this underutilized feature. One filter that can be particularly effective against many of the spam posts is a filter that catches any message crossposted to more than four or five newsgroups. This may catch some legitimate posts (even some FAQs), but it will also snag lots of spam. If you really want to know more about the "Usenet Spam Cancel Moratorium" and keep up on the latest developments, you can read about it in the newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.usenet PLEASE NOTE: This entire matter concerns *Usenet* spam only. *Email* spam is a completely different issue with its own set of problems and has nothing to do with the current action. Brian Bauer Tracey Converse Genealogy Records Service The Internet's One Stop Shop for Quality Genealogy Products <http://www.genrecords.com/>http://www.genrecords.com Stop by and download our FREE genealogy forms online!!! **************************************************************************** **** Listowner of GenTips, GenChat, GenSwap, ISBELL, BROOME, COBB, CONVERSE, DAWSON, ISBELL, MAYFIELD, McCLAIN, NESBIT, RABURN, RYE **************************************************************************** ****

Robert Kurtz wrote: > > Charlotte, your webpage indicates that OUR Edward married Sarah in > 1618--this can't be, since he didn't arrive until 1630. > > Regards, > > Bob Kurtz Bob, "The Winthrop Fleet of 1630", An Account of the Vessels, the Voyage, the Passengers and their English Homes for Original Authorities, by Charles Edward Banks, Member of the Massachusetts Historical Society and of the American Antiquarian Society, Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1983. Chapter 5, pg's 33 thru 45, is an account of the voyage of the ship Eagle later christened as the Arabella. The first ship of the fleet to make the journey. Appendix A, Alpahabetical List of Passengers, pg 66, you will find Edward Converse of Charlestown, Probably from Shenfield, Essex, or vincinity. Juror 1630. Freeman 18 May 1631. Deposed 24 () 1661/62 aged about 72. Died 410 Aug. 1663. Removed to Woburn.; Sarah Converse, wife of Edward. Member church 1630, No. 84.; Phineas Converse, son of Edward; John Converse, son of Edward; Josiah Converse, son of Edward. Born 1619; James Converse, son of Edward. Born 1621. I would have to say with that this source among others if you want them can conclude that Edward was married to Sarah in England. Do you have something that can prove otherwise? Charlotte Merchant.

Hi folks! I've created a new list just for professional researchers. If you are a researcher for hire, you may want to join up. This is a list for the free exchange of ideas and how to improve our business. It's a great way to make contacts and get ideas. To subscribe send a message to: ProResearchers-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word: subscribe and nothing else. Tracey Converse Genealogy Records Service The Internet's One Stop Shop for Quality Genealogy Products <http://www.genrecords.com/>http://www.genrecords.com Stop by and download our FREE genealogy forms online!!! **************************************************************************** **** Listowner of GenTips, GenChat, GenSwap, ISBELL, BROOME, COBB, CONVERSE, DAWSON, ISBELL, MAYFIELD, McCLAIN, NESBIT, RABURN, RYE **************************************************************************** ****

Just a quick note, the newsletter went out again this weekend and I'm getting ready to send it to those addresses that I missed. Please let me know if you'd like to be added to the newsletter list. If you want a copy, just send me an email with GRS in the subject line so my mail program will file it properly. Thanks! Tracey Listowner of GenTips, GenChat, Broome, Cobb, Converse, Dawson, Genswap, Isbell, Mayfield, McClain, Nesbitt, Raburn, Rye Genealogy Mailing Lists Tracey Converse Genealogy Records Service The Internet's One Stop Shop for Quality Genealogy Products <http://www.genrecords.com/>http://www.genrecords.com Stop by and download our FREE genealogy forms online!!! **************************************************************************** **** Listowner of GenTips, GenChat, GenSwap, ISBELL, BROOME, COBB, CONVERSE, DAWSON, ISBELL, MAYFIELD, McCLAIN, NESBIT, RABURN, RYE **************************************************************************** ****

Hi, I have my webpage at FTM's website up with reports this includes a report on the Converse's. http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/e/r/Charlotte-N-Merchant/ Any feedback is welcome. Charlotte N. Merchant Researching Surnames: Converse, Hite, Lear/Lehr and Merchant.

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--- You wrote: Where did you get above publication? --- end of quote --- Bob, I borrowed it from the New England Historic and Genealogical Society lending library - Web address is http://www.nehgs.org/circcat.htm I find it well worth my $50.00 annual membership, but I know some people would think that is a bit too expensive. Most good genealogical libraries should have a copy of the book. Cheers, Jay Cary SABIN Morris, Gordon A., Thomas J. and Dixie Prittie. The Descendants of William Sabin of Rehoboth, Massachusetts. (1994). 1163 p.

--- Charlotte (Converse) Merchant wrote: I was doing a search in the Ancestry World Tree database when I found a Dorcas Pain that had married Samuel Convers. I was wondering if you have any dates or informatin on Dorcas and her parents. Also, how did you determine her last name as Pain? --- end of quote --- Also see the recently published genealogy of William Sabin of Rehoboth*. In it there is the statement that the spouse of the above Samuel was Dorcas CLEVELAND. It seems that there is no agreement on the ancestry of Dorcas Converse and not much recent research. Jay Cary *Morris, Gordon A., Thomas J. and Dixie Prittie. The Descendants of William Sabin of Rehoboth, Massachusetts. (1994). 1163 p.

I was doing a search in the Ancestry World Tree database when I found a Dorcas Pain that had married Samuel Convers. I was wondering if you have any dates or informatin on Dorcas and her parents. Also, how did you determine her last name as Pain? Thankyou, Charlotte (Converse) Merchant mamerchant@cbpu.com

There's been a discussion stating that Edward (Deacon) was born at Wakerly, County of Northampton. In a copy of the Family Record of Deacons James W. Converse and Elisha S. Converse," compiled and edited by William G. Hill in 1887 ---- I found a newspaper clipping dated April 18, 1904. The article dos not mention in what town the paper was published, although it probably was Philadelphia, since it refers to an inquiry by the Philadelphia Converse family. The author of the article states that: "I examined the Wakerly parish register, which begins in 1540, for the entry of birth or baptism, with this result and the conclusion that the pedigre and royal descent of Convers of Massachusetts, was a mistake of the first magnitude". He further states that: "There NEVER was an Edward Convers or Conyers baptized at the Wakerly church about or before the year 1600". If anyone would like a copy of the complete article -- just E-mail me your name and address, and I would be happy to send it to you -- providing, of course, that not ALL 2,000 - 3,000 Converse's send me an E-mail. Cordially, Bob Kurtz

W. David Samuelsen wrote: > I obtained copy of the pedigree manuscript from the British Library and > gave the copy to the Family History Library several years ago. > > NOT all Converse's are descendants of Dea. Edward Convers as we found > out on the Converse-L that there were others coming over from England in > later years. Whopping majority of the Converses are descendants of > Edward. > > Anthony is NOT the father as disproved by the manuscript. It is > reprinted in Richmondshire book. I can dig it up since I have a bank box > full of the Conyers family records and give you the exact information > but that will take me some time. > > W. David Samuelsen Mr. Samuelsen, I would appreciate the information about this manuscript. Also, if possible include as much as you can about the Richmondshire book so that I may obtain a copy of it. I would also like to add that in my original e-mail I listed two Edward Convers's. Anthony and Clemmence Spady had a son Edward b. 28 February 1589/90. Allen and Elizabeth Palmer had a son Edward b. 30 January 1589/90. Both listed as being born in Wakerly Manor, Northampton, England. From what I have Edward son of Allen and Elizabeth is the Deacon Edward Convers that came over to America in 1630. Are you saying that there are two Edward's and that one of them stayed in England? If so then maybe Deacon Edward is the son of Allen......... Charlotte N. Merchant mamerchant@cbpu.com

W. David Samuelsen wrote: > > ote: > > I show that Allen is the next one in my line but have been told that it > > is Anthony. So at the time being I am not sure which is the father of > > Deacon Edward Convers who came over from England in 1630. > > > > Anthony b. abt. 18 October 1562 in Navestock, d. abt. 28 January > > 1621/22, m. to Clemmence Spady 29 January 1586/87. Had a son Edward b. > > 28 February 1589/90, in Wakerly Manor, Northampton, England. > > > > Allen d. abt. 3 January 1635/36, m. Elizabeth Palmer 28 November 1602, > > and a 2nd time to a Joanna. Allen and Joanna had a son Edward b. 30 > > January 1589/90, in Wakerly Manor, Northampton, England. > --- end of quote --- > > There is an article on this subject in the New England Historic > Genealogical > Register #146, p. 130. The article basically points out the ambiguity > above, > but seems to come down more on the side of Allen. If you can't get the > article, I could send you a copy. > > Jay Cary > Jay.Cary@Dartmouth.edu > > There is the pedigree that was drawn up on the family of Wakerly Manor. > This disproved completely that Anthony was father of Edward of America > since the Edward as listed in the pedigree inherited the Wakerly manor > and passed to his heir, Baldwin. > > The correct one is from Navestock, Essex, England (near Sheffield). > Allen is listed as father on christening records of Navestock. > > W. David Samuelsen Mr. Samuelsen, Where is this pedigree that you mention in your e-mail. I would like to read it for myself, as will I read he article that Jay Cary has mentioned. I would also like to see this discussed on the Converse roots list. As Bob Kurtz has said in the past "...all of the Converse's now living (between 2,000 and 3,000) are related, all of them going back to Deacon Edward. Is this opinion shared by all?" (Source: Jan. 31, 1998, posting on the Converse roots mailing list) I am sure that many out there would be interested in the parents of Deacon Edward Convers and this discussion. Which I might add, I did start this after Bob Kurtz mentioned that he believed that it was Anthony who was the father of Deacon Edward. Charlotte N. Merchant mamerchant@cbpu.com

--- You wrote: There is the pedigree that was drawn up on the family of Wakerly Manor. This disproved completely that Anthony was father of Edward of America --- end of quote --- I would also be interested in taking a look at this. Do you have any references that might tell where it was published. Many thanks, Jay Cary

ote: > I show that Allen is the next one in my line but have been told that it > is Anthony. So at the time being I am not sure which is the father of > Deacon Edward Convers who came over from England in 1630. > > Anthony b. abt. 18 October 1562 in Navestock, d. abt. 28 January > 1621/22, m. to Clemmence Spady 29 January 1586/87. Had a son Edward b. > 28 February 1589/90, in Wakerly Manor, Northampton, England. > > Allen d. abt. 3 January 1635/36, m. Elizabeth Palmer 28 November 1602, > and a 2nd time to a Joanna. Allen and Joanna had a son Edward b. 30 > January 1589/90, in Wakerly Manor, Northampton, England. --- end of quote --- There is an article on this subject in the New England Historic Genealogical Register #146, p. 130. The article basically points out the ambiguity above, but seems to come down more on the side of Allen. If you can't get the article, I could send you a copy. Jay Cary Jay.Cary@Dartmouth.edu There is the pedigree that was drawn up on the family of Wakerly Manor. This disproved completely that Anthony was father of Edward of America since the Edward as listed in the pedigree inherited the Wakerly manor and passed to his heir, Baldwin. The correct one is from Navestock, Essex, England (near Sheffield). Allen is listed as father on christening records of Navestock. W. David Samuelsen

Hi, I am searching for a Sally/Sarah/Polly Converse who married Samuel Ruggles Robinson in 1820 in Westford, Vermont. According to her death record, she is supposed to be from Connecticut. I have been unable to connect her with any family. Any help appreciated. Gloria Reynolds

--- You wrote: > I show that Allen is the next one in my line but have been told that it > is Anthony. So at the time being I am not sure which is the father of > Deacon Edward Convers who came over from England in 1630. > > Anthony b. abt. 18 October 1562 in Navestock, d. abt. 28 January > 1621/22, m. to Clemmence Spady 29 January 1586/87. Had a son Edward b. > 28 February 1589/90, in Wakerly Manor, Northampton, England. > > Allen d. abt. 3 January 1635/36, m. Elizabeth Palmer 28 November 1602, > and a 2nd time to a Joanna. Allen and Joanna had a son Edward b. 30 > January 1589/90, in Wakerly Manor, Northampton, England. --- end of quote --- There is an article on this subject in the New England Historic Genealogical Register #146, p. 130. The article basically points out the ambiguity above, but seems to come down more on the side of Allen. If you can't get the article, I could send you a copy. Jay Cary Jay.Cary@Dartmouth.edu