Without a Unicode font, you won't be able to use Unicode characters. As you're using PAF, you might try asking in the PAF Forum at GenForum: http://genforum.genealogy.com/paf/ > In Word I have Arial, Arial Narrow, and Arial Black, no unicode MS.

Hi Lila, Wouldnt it be simpler if you know that a macron denotes a double letter to just type in the two letters? Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lila Garner" <lilagarner@hotmail.com> To: <computers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 1:50 AM Subject: [COMPUTERS] Font question Is there any font or keyboard action that will create a macron over a letter? I found Maori font directions, but that won't work for me. I work with old German records--the year in question is 1736, but this practice spreads over a long period of time: when the scribe writes "Ana" he makes a line over the n, which creates a double-n, and the person's name is Anna. Another example: Nieman with a line over the final n, meaning Niemann. While n seems to be the most common, other letters are also written with the macron or line, so I need to figure out how to make that double line over any letter. What I really would like is an alphabet, the line over each letter, that I can keep on my desktop and copy and paste when needed. I'm not very adept at downloading and installing things and figuring out how to make them work. Thanks for any help. Lila

Not "Arial," use "Arial Unicode MS." > I type n0304 > then hold down Alt and type x, > and I get capital N with a macron right *after* it, not over > it, and I don't want capital N. > > I have Word 2003. I start with Arial font, but as soon as I > do the Alt + x maneuver, it changes to Tahoma font. > > What am I doing wrong?

Wow! I can't understand the barnhill link--'way to complicated for my old brain! :-) I don't have Works WP so I guess I'll have to do without the macron--and I seriously doubt, even if I could create it, that PAF's notes would accommodate it. If someone could create macron over n in Works, and send it privately in an attachment to LilaGarner@hotmail.com, I'd try to paste it in and see what happens. While I was searching for help, before I wrote to this list, I ran across a Wikipedia entry that says that a macron is used over the letter u in Old German Script, to distinguish u from n. That is not exactly the case: the diacrit over u to distinguish it from n is a Haken, a dip or a cup over the u. Since I'm not experienced in every area of Germany, the macron may be used in some regions that I haven't run across. Thanks for everyone's help. Lila > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:00:09 -0700 > To: computers@rootsweb.com > From: trogs2@shaw.ca > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question > > In Microsoft Works Word Processor click on Insert/Special Character. > With the Symbol tab forward look for the macron on the third line, > ninth column. Click on the macron, then Insert. Close the dialogue > box, then type the letter. It will appear under the macron. > This doesn't work in Microsoft Office Word. > Also, have a look at the link below. I don't understand it, but you might. > > http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Overbar.htm > > Joan > > > > At 09:20 AM 26/07/2009, you wrote: > >>Is there any font or keyboard action that will create a macron over >>a letter? I found Maori font directions, but that won't work for me. >> >> >> >>I work with old German records--the year in question is 1736, but >>this practice spreads over a long period of time: when the scribe >>writes "Ana" he makes a line over the n, which creates a double-n, >>and the person's name is Anna. Another example: Nieman with a line >>over the final n, meaning Niemann. >> >> >> >>While n seems to be the most common, other letters are also written >>with the macron or line, so I need to figure out how to make that >>double line over any letter. >> >> >> >>What I really would like is an alphabet, the line over each letter, >>that I can keep on my desktop and copy and paste when needed. I'm >>not very adept at downloading and installing things and figuring out >>how to make them work. >> >> >> >>Thanks for any help. >> >> >> >>Lila >> >> >> >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >>Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. >> >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.31/2264 - Release Date: >>07/26/09 11:07:00 > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If the "crap" you are talking about is active x, it is required to download MS Updates. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Stevens<mailto:bstevens27@verizon.net> To: computers@rootsweb.com<mailto:computers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: [COMPUTERS] MS Service pack 3 ??? Hello group , I am trying to get the download of Microsoft Service pack 3 for Win XP It seems like every place I Look want to install some ' crap " i need not , Could you pleasre give me a URL that will take me to a webpage that Gives me that download with out all the UNWANTED Stuff !!, Please and thanks , Phil :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?familyid=5B33B5A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:03 PM, David C Abernathy <DaveA@schmeckabernathy.com> wrote: > > Check out http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389 and scroll down about half > way to "Download the Windows XP Service Pack 3 package now", and click the > note. > > This is the ONLY place to down load from or use Windows Update. > > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy > Email disclaimers > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com > == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == > > -----Original Message----- > From: computers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:computers-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Phil Stevens > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:44 AM > To: computers@rootsweb.com > Subject: [COMPUTERS] MS Service pack 3 ??? > >  Hello group , I am trying to get the download of Microsoft Service pack 3 > for Win XP >   It seems like every place I Look want to install some ' crap " i need not > > ,   Could you pleasre give me a URL that will take me to a webpage that > Gives me that download with out all the UNWANTED Stuff  !!, Please and > thanks , Phil > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- -------- K. Ross kr5927@gmail.com

In Microsoft Word (at least in version 2003) you type the letter, first, then insert the "Combining Diacritical Mark" from the Insert > Symbol dialog. Or, from the keyboard... To get a macron over a letter, type the letter followed by the Unicode followed by Alt-x, in other words (using the letter, "n," as an example), type: n0304 then hold down the Alt key and press x. This combination will only display in a font that recognizes the Unicode "Combining Diacritical Marks," such as Arial Unicode MS or Lucida Sans Unicode. Otherwise, you'll just get a little empty box because the font isn't capable of displaying the character. Whether or not this will work in PAF, I don't know, but it doesn't hurt to try. Diana P.S. The Unicode for an overline is 0305. > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:00:09 -0700 > > To: computers@rootsweb.com > > From: trogs2@shaw.ca > > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question > > > > In Microsoft Works Word Processor click on Insert/Special Character. > > With the Symbol tab forward look for the macron on the third line, > > ninth column. Click on the macron, then Insert. Close the dialogue > > box, then type the letter. It will appear under the macron. > > This doesn't work in Microsoft Office Word. > > Also, have a look at the link below. I don't understand it, > but you might. > > > > http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Overbar.htm > > > > Joan > > > >

I just found these instructions on another website. It works in Office Word. Make sure to put in the three spaces. "Ctl-F9 will turn on the equation editor, which give you editable brackets. Type in { eq \o(x,¯) } , it makes no difference if these can be Captials; there is a space between the q and the \. Do a shift-F9, which will toggle between your equation brackets and the symbol. The ‘o’ is the letter O to make an overstrike. You can italicize the x, the bar is macron under Arial." Joan At 09:20 AM 26/07/2009, you wrote: >Is there any font or keyboard action that will >create a macron over a letter? I found Maori >font directions, but that won't work for me. > > > >I work with old German records--the year in >question is 1736, but this practice spreads over >a long period of time: when the scribe writes >"Ana" he makes a line over the n, which creates >a double-n, and the person's name is Anna. >Another example: Nieman with a line over the final n, meaning Niemann. > > > >While n seems to be the most common, other >letters are also written with the macron or >line, so I need to figure out how to make that double line over any letter. > > > >What I really would like is an alphabet, the >line over each letter, that I can keep on my >desktop and copy and paste when needed. I'm not >very adept at downloading and installing things >and figuring out how to make them work. > > > >Thanks for any help. > > > >Lila > > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > >Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: >270.13.31/2264 - Release Date: 07/26/09 11:07:00

You should be able to download manually at Windows Update - see below Bob Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Stevens" <bstevens27@verizon.net> To: <computers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: [COMPUTERS] MS Service pack 3 ??? : Hello group , I am trying to get the download of Microsoft Service pack 3 : for Win XP : It seems like every place I Look want to install some ' crap " i need not : , Could you pleasre give me a URL that will take me to a webpage that : Gives me that download with out all the UNWANTED Stuff !!, Please and : thanks , Phil Download the service pack manually You can use Windows Update or the Microsoft Download Center to obtain Windows XP SP3 online. Check for updates on Windows Update To check for updates on Windows Update, follow these steps: 1.. Visit the following Microsoft Web site: http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com (http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com) 2.. Click Express (Recommended). 3.. If your computer is up to date, Windows XP SP3 will be one of the updates that is automatically selected. Click Install. If your computer is not up to date, Windows Update will offer some other updates that you have to install first. Install those, and then repeat steps 1 and 2 to obtain Windows XP SP3. 4.. For Windows XP SP3, review and accept the Microsoft Software License Terms. Windows XP SP3 will be downloaded to your computer, and the Windows XP Service Pack 3 Setup Wizard will help you install it. : : : : ::-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: : : Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. : ::-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: : : : : : ------------------------------- : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message :

Check out http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389 and scroll down about half way to "Download the Windows XP Service Pack 3 package now", and click the note. This is the ONLY place to down load from or use Windows Update. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == -----Original Message----- From: computers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:computers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phil Stevens Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:44 AM To: computers@rootsweb.com Subject: [COMPUTERS] MS Service pack 3 ??? Hello group , I am trying to get the download of Microsoft Service pack 3 for Win XP It seems like every place I Look want to install some ' crap " i need not , Could you pleasre give me a URL that will take me to a webpage that Gives me that download with out all the UNWANTED Stuff !!, Please and thanks , Phil :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello group , I am trying to get the download of Microsoft Service pack 3 for Win XP It seems like every place I Look want to install some ' crap " i need not , Could you pleasre give me a URL that will take me to a webpage that Gives me that download with out all the UNWANTED Stuff !!, Please and thanks , Phil

I had the same problem with Norton. I think they should be banned from all networks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Thompson" <hdthomps@pris.ca> To: <computers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Need uninstall program for NORTON stuff >I presume I can uninstall Norton if I wish and perhaps I should, it will >not > do any thing unless I pay a fee but I have paid $50.00 on my credit cad > and still it does nothing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Marshall" <pepper-dale@comcast.net> > To: <COMPUTERS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 6:15 PM > Subject: [COMPUTERS] Need uninstall program for NORTON stuff > > >> Does anyone have an uninstall program for all NORTON programs? >> >> Nothing so far has helped. >> >> DEM in MI >> >> >> >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Microsoft Works Word Processor click on Insert/Special Character. With the Symbol tab forward look for the macron on the third line, ninth column. Click on the macron, then Insert. Close the dialogue box, then type the letter. It will appear under the macron. This doesn't work in Microsoft Office Word. Also, have a look at the link below. I don't understand it, but you might. http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Overbar.htm Joan At 09:20 AM 26/07/2009, you wrote: >Is there any font or keyboard action that will create a macron over >a letter? I found Maori font directions, but that won't work for me. > > > >I work with old German records--the year in question is 1736, but >this practice spreads over a long period of time: when the scribe >writes "Ana" he makes a line over the n, which creates a double-n, >and the person's name is Anna. Another example: Nieman with a line >over the final n, meaning Niemann. > > > >While n seems to be the most common, other letters are also written >with the macron or line, so I need to figure out how to make that >double line over any letter. > > > >What I really would like is an alphabet, the line over each letter, >that I can keep on my desktop and copy and paste when needed. I'm >not very adept at downloading and installing things and figuring out >how to make them work. > > > >Thanks for any help. > > > >Lila > > > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > >Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > >:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.31/2264 - Release Date: >07/26/09 11:07:00

But I don't want a tide~, I want a macron ¯ :-) ---------------------------------------- > From: budscan@gmail.com > To: computers@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:19:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question ............. Lila > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lila Garner" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question ............. Lila > > >> >> Yes, the macron is Alt +0175, but how do I put the macron over the n? > > Look for the letter WITH the tilde already over it. > > > > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much for the font info ........... I did not know it was there ? Learn something new every day ....... Thanks for sharing ........ gerri In a message dated 7/26/2009 6:33:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bstevens27@verizon.net writes: That is Character Map found in Accessories / . System Tools **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)

Yes, the macron is Alt +0175, but how do I put the macron over the n? My laptop has some blue characters on the keys with the letters and I have to use alt + ctrl to + the correct code numbers to make the extended ASCII codes with them. Lila > From: budscan@gmail.com > To: computers@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:08:47 -0700 > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question ............. Lila > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Gerri1936@aol.com> > To: <computers@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question ............. Lila > > > >I do not know much about changing Fonts in other languages , but when I > > did a Google search , there are links to give you Info on what I think > > you > > are looking for ............. > > It's not a font problem, it's extended ASCII codes. > > You simply need the table of ASCII codes, then you input the number > using the 'alt' key (I believe), and the numbers on your number pad. > > I can't seem to do it with this laptop with no number pad. > > > > > > > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I presume I can uninstall Norton if I wish and perhaps I should, it will not do any thing unless I pay a fee but I have paid $50.00 on my credit cad and still it does nothing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Marshall" <pepper-dale@comcast.net> To: <COMPUTERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: [COMPUTERS] Need uninstall program for NORTON stuff > Does anyone have an uninstall program for all NORTON programs? > > Nothing so far has helped. > > DEM in MI > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do not know much about changing Fonts in other languages , but when I did a Google search , there are links to give you Info on what I think you are looking for ............. Gerri Mason OhiO In a message dated 7/26/2009 12:21:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lilagarner@hotmail.com writes: Is there any font or keyboard action that will create a macron over a letter? I found Maori font directions, but that won't work for me. I work with old German records--the year in question is 1736, but this practice spreads over a long period of time: when the scribe writes "Ana" he makes a line over the n, which creates a double-n, and the person's name is Anna. Another example: Nieman with a line over the final n, meaning Niemann. While n seems to be the most common, other letters are also written with the macron or line, so I need to figure out how to make that double line over any letter. What I really would like is an alphabet, the line over each letter, that I can keep on my desktop and copy and paste when needed. I'm not very adept at downloading and installing things and figuring out how to make them work. Thanks for any help. Lila :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lila Garner" <lilagarner@hotmail.com> To: <computers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question ............. Lila > > Yes, the macron is Alt +0175, but how do I put the macron over the n? Alt 0209 for Lucida Console, capitol N, and alt 0241 for a small n, in Lucida Console and probably the other fonts as well.

Is there any font or keyboard action that will create a macron over a letter? I found Maori font directions, but that won't work for me. I work with old German records--the year in question is 1736, but this practice spreads over a long period of time: when the scribe writes "Ana" he makes a line over the n, which creates a double-n, and the person's name is Anna. Another example: Nieman with a line over the final n, meaning Niemann. While n seems to be the most common, other letters are also written with the macron or line, so I need to figure out how to make that double line over any letter. What I really would like is an alphabet, the line over each letter, that I can keep on my desktop and copy and paste when needed. I'm not very adept at downloading and installing things and figuring out how to make them work. Thanks for any help. Lila