Hi Lila, I think I am misunderstanding you problem.  I had a look at the file you sent and had no problems entering an "O umlaut" using Alt+0214. Is this your issue or am I not understanding properly ? You stated... "I attempted to type Valentin Öhm, and the umlaut O simply will not appear." ... How are you typing in this name ? Regards, Kevin. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Kevin Ross <kr5927@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Lila, > > Send it my way and I will take a look ! > > > Regards, > Kevin. > kr5927@gmail.com > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Lila Garner <lilagarner@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear Problem Solvers, >> >> This has never happened to me before. I'm working in Word 2003. I attempted to type Valentin Öhm, and the umlaut O simply will not appear. It appears elsewhere in the doc, where I used Alt + 0214 = Ö (Capital O). I closed and reopened the doc; no. Then I rebooted my computer, still no. >> >> I'm using Courier New, 11 pt. bold throughout the doc, with a few words 9 pt. >> >> Where the same name is elsewhere in the doc, it is just fine. >> >> I just realized that when I use Find, Word won't find Oehm, which I typed in place of what I need. It finds Valentin and any other words I ask for. There must be something amiss on that line?? >> >> I typed the name on another line and tried pasting it in, and it give me just an O, not the umlaut. >> >> I just discovered that print preview shows the umlaut... >> >> Any ideas? >> >> I can attach the doc and send it to someone who would like to see what I'm up against. >> >> Lila >> >> >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > -------- > K. Ross > kr5927@gmail.com -- -------- K. Ross kr5927@gmail.com

I suspect the file may be corrupted, that is, that there's a "bad spot" in it. What I would try, first, is to delete the entire offending sentence -- at least five or ten words on either side of the one not working. Then save the file and re-open it, and re-enter what you deleted. Worth a try... You can send me the file, too, if you want. I have Word 2003. Dina > This has never happened to me before. I'm working in Word > 2003. I attempted to type Valentin Öhm, and the umlaut O > simply will not appear. It appears elsewhere in the doc, > where I used Alt + 0214 = Ö (Capital O). I closed and > reopened the doc; no. Then I rebooted my computer, still no. > > I'm using Courier New, 11 pt. bold throughout the doc, with a > few words 9 pt. > > Where the same name is elsewhere in the doc, it is just fine. > > I just realized that when I use Find, Word won't find Oehm, > which I typed in place of what I need. It finds Valentin and > any other words I ask for. There must be something amiss on > that line?? > > I typed the name on another line and tried pasting it in, and > it give me just an O, not the umlaut. > > I just discovered that print preview shows the umlaut... > > Any ideas? > > I can attach the doc and send it to someone who would like to > see what I'm up against. > > Lila >

Dear Problem Solvers, This has never happened to me before. I'm working in Word 2003. I attempted to type Valentin Öhm, and the umlaut O simply will not appear. It appears elsewhere in the doc, where I used Alt + 0214 = Ö (Capital O). I closed and reopened the doc; no. Then I rebooted my computer, still no. I'm using Courier New, 11 pt. bold throughout the doc, with a few words 9 pt. Where the same name is elsewhere in the doc, it is just fine. I just realized that when I use Find, Word won't find Oehm, which I typed in place of what I need. It finds Valentin and any other words I ask for. There must be something amiss on that line?? I typed the name on another line and tried pasting it in, and it give me just an O, not the umlaut. I just discovered that print preview shows the umlaut... Any ideas? I can attach the doc and send it to someone who would like to see what I'm up against. Lila

Hi Lila, Send it my way and I will take a look ! Regards, Kevin. kr5927@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Lila Garner <lilagarner@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Problem Solvers, > > This has never happened to me before. I'm working in Word 2003. I attempted > to type Valentin Öhm, and the umlaut O simply will not appear. It appears > elsewhere in the doc, where I used Alt + 0214 = Ö (Capital O). I closed and > reopened the doc; no. Then I rebooted my computer, still no. > > I'm using Courier New, 11 pt. bold throughout the doc, with a few words 9 > pt. > > Where the same name is elsewhere in the doc, it is just fine. > > I just realized that when I use Find, Word won't find Oehm, which I typed > in place of what I need. It finds Valentin and any other words I ask for. > There must be something amiss on that line?? > > I typed the name on another line and tried pasting it in, and it give me > just an O, not the umlaut. > > I just discovered that print preview shows the umlaut... > > Any ideas? > > I can attach the doc and send it to someone who would like to see what I'm > up against. > > Lila > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- -------- K. Ross kr5927@gmail.com

Hi Donna, Are you using Firefox 3.x ? If so, you can go to Tools >> Options >> Main Tab Under Startup:  Choose When Firefox Starts: Show my Windows and Tabs from Last Time I'm sure there is also an AddOn which will handle this more elegantly !!! Regards, Kevin. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Donna <dkcooper6@comcast.net> wrote: > > I use Firefox as my browser. I have XP. After I've been online for > awhile my PC gets slow, so I close Firefox and reopen it. Always before > I had the option to save the tabs I had opened. Then when I reopened > Firefox the saved tabs would open. Today I noticed that I'm not given > that option, just a warning that I'm about to close 4  or 5 or what ever > I had open. Did they take that away in an update or did I do something? > > -- > > > Thanks, Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- -------- K. Ross kr5927@gmail.com

I use Firefox as my browser. I have XP. After I've been online for awhile my PC gets slow, so I close Firefox and reopen it. Always before I had the option to save the tabs I had opened. Then when I reopened Firefox the saved tabs would open. Today I noticed that I'm not given that option, just a warning that I'm about to close 4 or 5 or what ever I had open. Did they take that away in an update or did I do something? -- Thanks, Donna

Colleagues The next computer meeting of the Oxfordshire Family History Society will take place on Monday 3 August 2009. It will be held at the usual venue at Exeter Hall, Oxford Road, Kidlington, Oxford OX5 1AB. Doors open at 7.15pm for a 7.30pm start. The subject of the talk at 7.30pm is "See me – Hear me – SAVE ME – Preserving your Audio Visual memories", which will be presented by Les Binns. The latter is a member of the society's computer group panel. All members, potential members and their guests are welcome to attend the meeting. For directions as to how to get to the Exeter Hall, please see :- _http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html) For a list of future OFHS meetings, please see :- _http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html) Any queries, please contact me off-list. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : _www.ofhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/)

US-CERT Current Activity Adobe Releases Shockwave Player Update and Flash Player Security Advisory Original release date: July 29, 2009 at 10:12 am Last revised: July 29, 2009 at 10:12 am Adobe has released Shockware Player 11.5.1.601 because previous versions used a vulnerable version of the Microsoft Active Template Library (ATL). Additionally, Adobe has released a security advisory to address the same issue in Flash Player. Exploitation of this vulnerability may allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code. The security advisory for Flash Player indicates that Adobe will be releasing fixes for this issue on July 30, 2009. In the interim, the advisory suggests that users consider installing the Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer as defined in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS09-034 to help mitigate some of the risks until fixes are available. US-CERT encourages users and administrators to review Adobe documents APSB09-11 and APSA09-04 and apply any necessary updates to help mitigate the risks. Additional information can be found in the Adobe PSIRT blog. Relevant Url(s): <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms09-034.mspx> <http://blogs.adobe.com/psirt/2009/07/impact_of_microsoft_atl_vulner.html> <http://www.adobe.com/support/security/advisories/apsa09-04.html> <http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb09-11.html> ==== This entry is available at http://www.us-cert.gov/current/index.html#adobe_releases_shockware_player_11 Produced 2009 by US-CERT, a government organization. Note: Posted according to copyright permissions of US-CERT (United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team) Purpose of Posting -- To help others keep their genealogy computers healthy.

Darn, and I thought that was such a good answer too! :-) Good luck with sorting it out. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lila Garner" <lilagarner@hotmail.com> To: <computers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question > > Yes, much simpler :-). > > I'm transcribing *exactly* what is written in the 1736 German church > records. > > The handwriting is so clear that anyone who compares will see that I > didn't transcribe exactly unless I have that macron. > > Lila > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: judith.bn@bigpond.com >> To: computers@rootsweb.com >> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:13:17 +0930 >> Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question >> >> Hi Lila, >> >> Wouldnt it be simpler if you know that a macron denotes a double letter >> to >> just type in the two letters? >> >> Judith >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lila Garner" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 1:50 AM >> Subject: [COMPUTERS] Font question >> >> >> >> Is there any font or keyboard action that will create a macron over a >> letter? I found Maori font directions, but that won't work for me. >> >> >> >> I work with old German records--the year in question is 1736, but this >> practice spreads over a long period of time: when the scribe writes "Ana" >> he >> makes a line over the n, which creates a double-n, and the person's name >> is >> Anna. Another example: Nieman with a line over the final n, meaning >> Niemann. >> >> >> >> While n seems to be the most common, other letters are also written with >> the >> macron or line, so I need to figure out how to make that double line over >> any letter. >> >> >> >> What I really would like is an alphabet, the line over each letter, that >> I >> can keep on my desktop and copy and paste when needed. I'm not very adept >> at >> downloading and installing things and figuring out how to make them work. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> >> >> Lila >> >> >> >> >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. >> >> :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

US-CERT Current Activity Microsoft Releases Two Out-of-Band Security Bulletins and a Security Advisory Original release date: July 28, 2009 at 1:18 pm Last revised: July 28, 2009 at 2:49 pm Microsoft has released two out-of-band security bulletins. The first bulletin, MS09-034, is a cumulative security update for Internet Explorer that addresses several vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. The second bulletin, MS09-035, addresses vulnerabilities in the Visual Studio Active Template Library (ATL). Exploitation of these vulnerabilities may allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code. Additionally, Microsoft has released security advisory 973882 to provide specific guidance for developers, IT professionals, consumers, and home users regarding the vulnerabilities in Active Template Library (ATL). US-CERT encourages users and administrators to review Microsoft Security Bulletins MS09-034 and MS09-035 and Microsoft Security Advisory 973882 and apply any necessary updates or workarounds to help mitigate the risks. Relevant Url(s): <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms09-034.mspx> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms09-035.mspx> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/973882.mspx> Produced 2009 by US-CERT, a government organization. Note: Posted according to copyright permissions of US-CERT (United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team) Purpose of Posting -- To help others keep their genealogy computers healthy.

Right-click a blank place on the task bar, and you should be offered a menu with the option to "Undo Tile." > > I accidentlly hit some key (maybe on task bar) that 'tiled' my open > Word documents and I want to change back to viewing one at a time on > the screen. Can you tell me how to undo the tiled view? > > Thank you, > Joan

PAF has Lucida Sans Unicode? Great! > I tried in Word and PAF using Lucida Sans Unicode, and both > work perfectly!! > > I'm keeping all this on file--Lucida is the only Unicode that > is in either my Word or PAF font menu. > > Thanks so much!!! > > Lila >

I tried in Word and PAF using Lucida Sans Unicode, and both work perfectly!! I'm keeping all this on file--Lucida is the only Unicode that is in either my Word or PAF font menu. Thanks so much!!! Lila ---------------------------------------- > From: Diana@danishdemes.org > To: computers@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:55:37 -0400 > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question > > In Microsoft Word (at least in version 2003) you type the letter, first, then > insert the "Combining Diacritical Mark" from the Insert> Symbol dialog. Or, > from the keyboard... > > To get a macron over a letter, type the letter followed by the Unicode followed > by Alt-x, in other words (using the letter, "n," as an example), type: > > n0304 > > then hold down the Alt key and press x. > > This combination will only display in a font that recognizes the Unicode > "Combining Diacritical Marks," such as Arial Unicode MS or Lucida Sans Unicode. > Otherwise, you'll just get a little empty box because the font isn't capable of > displaying the character. > > Whether or not this will work in PAF, I don't know, but it doesn't hurt to try. > > Diana > > P.S. The Unicode for an overline is 0305. > >> -----Original Message----- >>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:00:09 -0700 >>> To: computers@rootsweb.com >>> From: trogs2@shaw.ca >>> Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question >>> >>> In Microsoft Works Word Processor click on Insert/Special Character. >>> With the Symbol tab forward look for the macron on the third line, >>> ninth column. Click on the macron, then Insert. Close the dialogue >>> box, then type the letter. It will appear under the macron. >>> This doesn't work in Microsoft Office Word. >>> Also, have a look at the link below. I don't understand it, >> but you might. >>> >>> http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Overbar.htm >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I accidentlly hit some key (maybe on task bar) that 'tiled' my open Word documents and I want to change back to viewing one at a time on the screen. Can you tell me how to undo the tiled view? Thank you, Joan -- You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word: victory. Victory at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory however long or hard the road may be. For without victory, there is no survival. Winston Churchill, May 1940

There are PAF lists as well Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Without a Unicode font, you won't be able to use Unicode characters. As > you're > using PAF, you might try asking in the PAF Forum at GenForum: > > http://genforum.genealogy.com/paf/ > >> In Word I have Arial, Arial Narrow, and Arial Black, no unicode MS.

In Word I have Arial, Arial Narrow, and Arial Black, no unicode MS. ---------------------------------------- > From: Diana@danishdemes.org > To: computers@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:10:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question > > Not "Arial," use "Arial Unicode MS." > > >> I type n0304 >> then hold down Alt and type x, >> and I get capital N with a macron right *after* it, not over >> it, and I don't want capital N. >> >> I have Word 2003. I start with Arial font, but as soon as I >> do the Alt + x maneuver, it changes to Tahoma font. >> >> What am I doing wrong? > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aha! It works--but I can't do anything with it after I have it. I can put an A before it, but the a that I type after it is a space away: An a. Works perfectly for Nieman. Pasting in to PAF's notes leaves the 'doctored' letter out completely. Some things are simply not possible, I guess. But I will certainly keep the directions on hand for future reference. Thanks to Everyone!!!! Lila ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:43:36 -0700 > To: computers@rootsweb.com > From: trogs2@shaw.ca > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question > > I just found these instructions on another > website. It works in Office Word. Make sure to put in the three spaces. > > "Ctl-F9 will turn on the equation editor, which give you editable brackets. > Type in { eq \o(x,¯) } , it makes no difference > if these can be Captials; there is a space > between the q and the \. Do a shift-F9, which > will toggle between your equation brackets and > the symbol. The ‘o’ is the letter O to make an > overstrike. You can italicize the x, the bar is macron under Arial." > > Joan > > > > > At 09:20 AM 26/07/2009, you wrote: > >>Is there any font or keyboard action that will >>create a macron over a letter? I found Maori >>font directions, but that won't work for me. >> >> >> >>I work with old German records--the year in >>question is 1736, but this practice spreads over >>a long period of time: when the scribe writes >>"Ana" he makes a line over the n, which creates >>a double-n, and the person's name is Anna. >>Another example: Nieman with a line over the final n, meaning Niemann. >> >> >> >>While n seems to be the most common, other >>letters are also written with the macron or >>line, so I need to figure out how to make that double line over any letter. >> >> >> >>What I really would like is an alphabet, the >>line over each letter, that I can keep on my >>desktop and copy and paste when needed. I'm not >>very adept at downloading and installing things >>and figuring out how to make them work. >> >> >> >>Thanks for any help. >> >> >> >>Lila >> >> >> >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >>Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. >> >>:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >>email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the >>word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>subject and the body of the message >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: >>270.13.31/2264 - Release Date: 07/26/09 11:07:00 > > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, much simpler :-). I'm transcribing *exactly* what is written in the 1736 German church records. The handwriting is so clear that anyone who compares will see that I didn't transcribe exactly unless I have that macron. Lila ---------------------------------------- > From: judith.bn@bigpond.com > To: computers@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:13:17 +0930 > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question > > Hi Lila, > > Wouldnt it be simpler if you know that a macron denotes a double letter to > just type in the two letters? > > Judith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lila Garner" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 1:50 AM > Subject: [COMPUTERS] Font question > > > > Is there any font or keyboard action that will create a macron over a > letter? I found Maori font directions, but that won't work for me. > > > > I work with old German records--the year in question is 1736, but this > practice spreads over a long period of time: when the scribe writes "Ana" he > makes a line over the n, which creates a double-n, and the person's name is > Anna. Another example: Nieman with a line over the final n, meaning Niemann. > > > > While n seems to be the most common, other letters are also written with the > macron or line, so I need to figure out how to make that double line over > any letter. > > > > What I really would like is an alphabet, the line over each letter, that I > can keep on my desktop and copy and paste when needed. I'm not very adept at > downloading and installing things and figuring out how to make them work. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Lila > > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That almost works. I type n0304 then hold down Alt and type x, and I get capital N with a macron right *after* it, not over it, and I don't want capital N. I have Word 2003. I start with Arial font, but as soon as I do the Alt + x maneuver, it changes to Tahoma font. What am I doing wrong? Lila ---------------------------------------- > From: Diana@danishdemes.org > To: computers@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:55:37 -0400 > Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question > > In Microsoft Word (at least in version 2003) you type the letter, first, then > insert the "Combining Diacritical Mark" from the Insert> Symbol dialog. Or, > from the keyboard... > > To get a macron over a letter, type the letter followed by the Unicode followed > by Alt-x, in other words (using the letter, "n," as an example), type: > > n0304 > > then hold down the Alt key and press x. > > This combination will only display in a font that recognizes the Unicode > "Combining Diacritical Marks," such as Arial Unicode MS or Lucida Sans Unicode. > Otherwise, you'll just get a little empty box because the font isn't capable of > displaying the character. > > Whether or not this will work in PAF, I don't know, but it doesn't hurt to try. > > Diana > > P.S. The Unicode for an overline is 0305. > >> -----Original Message----- >>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:00:09 -0700 >>> To: computers@rootsweb.com >>> From: trogs2@shaw.ca >>> Subject: Re: [COMPUTERS] Font question >>> >>> In Microsoft Works Word Processor click on Insert/Special Character. >>> With the Symbol tab forward look for the macron on the third line, >>> ninth column. Click on the macron, then Insert. Close the dialogue >>> box, then type the letter. It will appear under the macron. >>> This doesn't work in Microsoft Office Word. >>> Also, have a look at the link below. I don't understand it, >> but you might. >>> >>> http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Overbar.htm >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> > > > > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > Take pity on Digest subscribers and remember to SNIP when replying. > > :-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~:-~: > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COMPUTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Control panel, Remove programs wouldn't touch Nortons NOR did the Norton programs themselves have an Uninstall :-( Uninstall program for NORTON stuff -- http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Uninstallers/Norton-Removal-Tool.shtml has a program: Norton Removal Tool 2009.0.5.40: Free Download that removed the majority of my Norton programs. Thanks for all the suggestions. Dale in MI