In a message dated 11/26/04 5:42:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: This really intriques me. The farthest I've been able to go back on my husband's Collins line is David Collins 1804-1867 m. Martha Thomas 1809 - after 1860 One of their children was a John W. 1840- after 1902 These are from VA & obviously not the same direct family but often families travel together or marry sister & brothers from another close family. Does anyone have any ideas? Happy Familying, Laura Irby in VA This is the Collins family that can be found in the 1870 Census of Lowndes County. John W. was b. around 1833 in SC. This may sound dumb... But when did Carolina split North and South? Also Va. to West Va.? All the names that run in our Collins line are the same as those of the Enoch Collins's line. Jesse, David, Peter, Josephine, Hardy, Thomas and John. Let me know if anyone else has any ideas. Teri Schneider