Lori, thanks for your response to my posting. I wasn't very clear and probably confused a lot of folks on Collins-L. I have extensive genealogy of the Elisha Collins Family. He was married in 1783 to Frances Madison, dtr of Roger Madison. I have the genealogy on his descendants, and probable/possible ancestry to a point among the upper echelon "Collins" of Virginia, toward Caroline County and 1766. I descend from his son Nathaniel Madison Collins. He had other sons, Richard, Meredith, Gabriel, Stephen, Joseph (we know nothing about this alleged son), John, (no information) Taliaferro (no information) and Josiah. Rose Lowther has initiated a DNA study to see if the various Collins lineages can be distinguished from each other. At this time, we have DNA on a descendant of Nathaniel, and DNA on a descendant of Richard in this Elisha Collins Family. I chose to look at the descendants of Elisha Collins because he was the ARW ancestor, and we have a lot of information on him and his descendants. The two DNA's we have at this moment are 100% compatible. We have DNA on a descendant from a brother to Elisha which is also 100% compatible, which in effect, if my senile thinking is correct, pushes the Most Recent Common Ancestor up one more notch. So we have Richard's descendant, and then Nathaniel's descendant, and Meredith is next in line. Ironically, much of our Elisha Collins genealogy was compiled by the descendants of Meredith. One of my correspondents, on this line, is recently deceased, the other, his brother has apparently changed his e-mail address. So, Meredith's folks, where are you? Thanks Lori Charles