Lori, if we get into a long discussion, we may want to take it off this message board so as to not bore so many folks. My e-mail is [email protected] I would be very interested in what you could show as to whether my Elisha Collins, b. 30 Nov 1759 in Halifax, Co. Va and son of Joseph Collins and Lucy Marchbanks Prisher Collins, is indeed related by marriage to your James Staton Collins. Could you enlighten me on that issue. Charles