We had/have the same muddle!! An ancestor in the 1870s even went to Baltimore to see if he could find a record of the ship. They formed an Association and sold $5 script to send a lawyer to London to claim "the money". The ship sank bringing him back, etc, etc, etc. It's fun to read their letters back and forth. I did find a picture of the church where my 4th GGrandfather was baptized in London on the photo website http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1164278 which one can put in any geographic location in the UK and hopefully something good will come up. One begins to wonder what is true and what is wishful genealogy thinking. I tend to believe the "old" guys but they could be putting things together to "fit", too. (And collect their fee!!) What on earth did they do without computers!! DG ________________________________ From: Dr. Charles A. Stephens <cas25@cableone.net> To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, April 4, 2013 5:31:04 PM Subject: Re: [COLLINS] COLLINS surname Irish, Scotch, English, etc. In my declining mind there are two significant elements in the "maidstone" theory. The first is that there was the death and dispersal of an estate about 1736 in Amelia County which most l ikely was the estate of the James Collins alledged son of the James Collins of Carolne County. I think this is significant. You have shown the route to Thomas Collins which seems more logical to me, and, the cap is that nobody can document the aspect of the "Plain Joan" ever dropping passengers into Virginia. Dropping them into New England can be documented. As far back as into the 1800's. The land time in Virginia is stated often but it is the embarkation time from England. In those days, as I understand, it was easy to get permission to go to Virginia,but difficult to get permission to go to New England---but the ship can leave with destination of Virginia and then find itself unable to make landfall in Virginia, or was never intended to in the beginning. It's a muddle to me. I like Thomas Collins as the immigrant. Charles -----Original Message----- From: collins-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:collins-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sanders922@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 6:11 PM To: Porter; collins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COLLINS] COLLINS surname Irish, Scotch, English, etc. Some from my Collins line has latched onto the Maidstone line with more wishful thinking than any proof. but I think it is wrong, just as linking it to the two Williams that came on the same boat to early Isle of Wight, Virginia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Porter" <jubilee@etex.net> To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:50:13 PM Subject: Re: [COLLINS] COLLINS surname Irish, Scotch, English, etc. In regards to Reuben Collins and wife Monica Duren and the Collins Bible. A lot of research on this family was done by James Oren Collins of Lytle, TX. James rescued the Collins Bible and he and my cousin once removed (CW Collins) both did DNA tests and have matches to the well known Maidstone Collins line, which originates in Maidstone, Kent, England in 1569. Once you get to back to Reuben and the will of his father William Collins, you have a ton of information on the web for this Collins line back to England although the date details are at odds for one researcher to another. To this extent, some today try to take mismatched records for a similar name and tie it to Reuben to prove Scotch or Irish connections. There are way too many DNA connections for true parallel lines to drift far from the connection to Kent, England, then King and Queen Co, Va then Kershaw Co SC. The Maidstone line is very narrow so be careful when following suggestions that it is a broad riv! er of names, families and locations all tied to that Bible. -------- Original message -------- From: Doris Greaves <doris_greaves@sbcglobal.net> Date: 04/04/2013 12:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: collins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COLLINS] COLLINS surname Irish, Scotch, English, etc. Our Timothy Collins b1754 came from London England and settled first in MD then PA 1800. DG ________________________________ From: "GLSGAB@aol.com" <GLSGAB@aol.com> To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, April 4, 2013 9:27:46 AM Subject: Re: [COLLINS] COLLINS surname Irish, Scotch, English, etc. >From the Family Bible; From an old letter in the original Reuben Collins Bible: "Thomas L. Collins had red hair and his wife Winefred was very dark and Dutch and spake very broken English. I can remember my father telling me that they (Walters Family) first settled in York, Pennsylvania and from there to Spartanburg County, SC but my father says they settled first in the southern part of NC (Perhaps Anson Co.)" The middle name of Thomas was Duren. He was nicknamed "LeNove", in French "the last" (he was the last child of Reuben Collins & Monica Duren). I have that the Duren's who intermarried with the Collins were French Huguenots. Living in England before immigrating to the Colonies. Since the Family Bible has written in it Thomas Collins had red hair, I think that is a good indication he was of Irish (or Scotch) descent. It is also on his war records. 6' 1, Red Hair, Blue eyes. Grace S. Green In a message dated 4/4/2013 9:02:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rcoll@bellsouth.net writes: The Collins surname is a very diverse group. In my searching I have found that the surname is as often English or Scotch as it is Irish. I have even found a French Collins (from Normandy area of France). Roger Collins ================= On 04/04/2013 11:30 AM, sanders922@comcast.net wrote: > > Jo: > > Sorry I can't help you with your search. > > > > But can you tell me if the surname Collins is Irish > > or is it also from England and Scotland? > > > > I have my Collins line back to the 1600s in Virginia > > and had assumed they came from England. > > Alice > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message