MGC: See 4th Gen. (!!!): http://www.chriscollin.com/Home/genealogy-1 Please take it I am working from a ''Working Database''. [Kenelm Collin b:1563 prob? Chickney? Essex.]: Time line (TL) to me suggests that he could be the: [Kellam Collins, Elder (Citizen + Saddler London)] m:25-02-1587 Sarah Crouche. He has a son??? or kin (???): [Kellam Collins of St. Bride's Fleet St. London][11-01-1606]. One of these KC comes into EC from London. It is around this arena I am saying +-R's tree will probably connect to URL given above ?. - S.K.M. - [!!!] ===================