MGC: There is not a small pattern here, but an immense pattern here working from Broad Street in London. Humongous. Going through patterns took me too [St. Margaret Parish Church in Lothbury London]. Well, once you look it up to see where Lothbury is, it is just down the drag from St. Peter le Poer in Austin Friar's Street just off (Old) Broad Street. Now, just where Austin Friars goes off from Broad Street, just below AF's, is Throgmorton Street, which becomes Lothbury (Street/Road). So, if you shoot down into Lothbury just after Tokenhouse on the right is [St. Margaret Parish Church in Lothbury London]. If you take a sharp left into Prince's Street is [The Worshipful Co. of Grocers]. Going down Lothbury again take a sharp left into [Old Jewry] and then a sharp right into [St. Olave's Pl.]. All of the churches in this entire region should be holding many of your (dna) Collins Cousins. Somewhere very near to this [St. Margaret Parish Church in Lothbury London] is [Cornhill] it seems. When looking for records, also include spelling of [Markham, Markam, Marcom] etc. and [Collins, Collyns, Collens !!!] etc. The Collens one is the one I would keep in mind the most wherever you see it, but names will change depending just on location and who wrote it. [Later On]: OK, I see it I think, Cornhill is also a road name here too. So, if you are in Broad Street go s., sharp left into Threadneedle Street, sharp right into Finch Lane, which crosses over Cornhill (Road) and becomes Birchen Lane, and when at Lombard St., you arrive at [St. Mary Woolnoth Church]. The clear pattern of churches I have taken time to find out where they are, are all showing up in close proximity. From St. P leP to St. Mary Woolnoth must be less than 500m. So [Cornhill] here must pertain to the road named just [Cornhill] it seems, which is like only abot 3 blocks from Woolnoth church. === [Mr. Ralph Collins, apothecary in Lothbury]. [John Underwood, of the Middle Temple, Gent , 'Widower, 53, & Mary Collins, of S' Margaret's, Lothbury, London, "Widow, 51 , at any parish church or ...]. === This should be interesting to some: [Rough Notes]: It must have been about 1467-87 somewhere there, that an older Sir Ralph Jocelyn in this same region we are looking at, along with the famous Judge Sir John Markham, with the trial of Sir Thomas? Cooke was it, that people were trying to lay false claims against Thomas? Cooke basically to get money from him since he was very rich. The Judge went against all, Cooke got off, and the Judge was demoted. But is here that the Judge Sir John Markham is connected to [Sir Ralph Jocelyn] here in London. This [Sir Ralph Jocelyn] would be the ancestor of the family in Earls Colne, and he also had a castle or fortress built in Gidea Hall (I think it was?) near Romford Essex. The John Markham found in EC records should clearly be this same Judge John Markham. But the Judge seems only to be judging here. http://books.google.co.za/books?id=BoUBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA242&dq=meaning:+apothecary&as_brr=3&cd=9#v=onepage&q=meaning%3A%20apothecary&f=false [Dr. John Collins who married Judith Saxon (or Easton) of Surrey, and is listed in Citizens of London]: Her first married surname is EASTON or sometime ESTON. But she is widow Easton, her first husband was [John Easton, Grocer, of Fulham Middlesex]. [Mr. John Collins, Dr. of Physick, a bachelor aged 40 years, and Judith ... widow, aged 30, relict of John Easton, grocer, deceased at Michaelmas last ...], [Judith Easton widow of John Easton of Fulham, Middlesex m:07-08-1616 to John Collins.]. This Dr. John Collins was aet.40yrs when he got m:1616, so would be b:1576, which he is (!!!). I am taking it that Francknell and Francklyn etc., are two separate surnames. But here is the essence of this post: ===== [St. Mary Woolnoth] Church in London: Add this to the short list of precise churches to look into. It is here we will find [Thomas Francknell, Goldsmith], and he seems to be a [Churchwarden] for the [St. Mary Woolnoth] church. There is also one Thomas Francknell 'Clothworker' d:1608. [St. Mary Woolnoth] is the home of [Thomas Francknell, Goldsmith] for a long time it seems. There are wods of Merchants, Haberdashers, Goldsmiths forever, all here near this church. ===== [Thomas Francknell, Goldsmith] m:28-01-1582 at [St. Mary Woolnoth, London, England] to [Suzan Okeover of St. Mary Woolnoth][b:1561], the dg of [Rowland Okeover, Merchanttaillor]. Also spelling: [Roulande Okeover]. [Rowland Okeover] also has at least: ===== Suzan Okeover, [St. Mary Woolnoth] Born: 1561. [m:1582 Jan. 28. Thomas Francknell, Goldsmythe, and Suzan Okeover, daughter of Rowland Okeover, Merchanttaillor, by lycence.] ===== Elizabeth Okeover, [St. Mary Woolnoth] Born: Bet. 1562 - 1567?. [m:1583 May 27. Edwarde Phillipps, of the Parish of St. Michaell Uppon Cornehill, and Elizabeth Okeover, daughter of the above named Rowland Okeover, by lycence.] [Bapt:1584 Nov. 20. Elizabeth, daughter of Edward Phillips, Upholster, of the Parishe of St. Mighell upon Cornhill, London, whose wife lay in childbed of the same childe at her father Rowland Okeover his house by reason that the said Phillips house in Cornhill was a lyttle before that burnte by casualtie of Fyar.] ===== Sara Okeover, [St. Mary Woolnoth] Bapt: 25-08-1568. d: 25-08-1568. Died same day. ===== Churchwardens (???): 1571. Thomas Corbett - Thomas Watte, Haberdasher. 1572. Thomas Watte - Rowland Okeover, Merchant Taylor. 1573. Rowlande Okeover - William Charles, Weaver. 1597. George Samwell - Thomas Francknell - Richard Brooke. 1598. Richard Brooke - Richard Hadley - John Blakmore. [That is them !!!]. ===== It seems that Rowlande Okeover and Thomas Francknell (being much younger than Roland Okeover) were both churchwardens for the same church, hence the connection. You will notice Thomas Francknell is CW in 1597, and not after. He d:1597. You will see most went running for 2 years, but not him. [bp:1597 Thomas, son of Wydowe Francknell, the late wieff of Thomas Francknell, Goldsmythe, deceased.]. It seems Thomas Francknell died the same year his son Thomas Francknell was born, and before he was born. = There are several places down and around and just off Clerkenwall Rd named 'Dolphin'. I am not sure, but there seems to be one Kellan Collins in this area in the London 1651, and then it seems it is he who goes to Earls Colne just after that TL. This [Smith + Easton] families are certainly further related all round here to. There is also banks, books !!!, carpenters, merchants, haberdashers, goldsmiths, grocers, all round to keep in mind. This Easton family is probably the same one in NE. - S.K.M. - [!!!] ======================