MGC: Hats must have been a huge business in London in the 1600's. To answer some questions: === Daniell Collins made a small pedigree himself where he clearly calls his father "John Collyns of London, Salter = Abigail, dau. of Thos, Rose of Exmouth, co. Devon, 3d wife.": Does he ?. What is the ref. for that ?. The 1596 deed in Clarence Lyman Collens' Collins Memorial on p. 143, refers to him as "John Collens, of Bramford, sailcloth maker."- Both documents have Abigail attached to the said John Collins, so it would appear that he was at one time a salter and later a sailcloth maker. => This much I know: He is the father of Daniel Collins: [John Collens, of Bramford, sailcloth maker]. Drop the 'Salter of London' right off for the time being. Further: Firstly, whoever wrote this 'Pedigree of Dr. Collins', had a plane to catch. He was in a hurry. The person, probably male, wrote a small tree, with mistakes corrected. Neither does he indicate who the Dr. Collins is. The Dr. Collins should be the Dr. Samuel Collins (d: Paris) son of the Rev. Samuel Collins, Vicar of Braintree Essex. Pedigree: Meaning: ['A chart of an individual's ancestors']. It shows Dr. Collins ancestors, but he does not show himself in the article, which is rushed and sloppy. Neither does it mention a single sister. The Dr. Samuel Collins by this time, would have made sure to obviously mention his own father the Vicar, and also DC, from whom by now, since Katherine Francknell might have died, Dr. Collins would have received his inheritance. Can anyone show me evidence that Daniel Collins had a child?: Daniel Collins has no offspring at all it seems. DC's w. died before him, not after him. DC's [sister Katherine Francknell] is the dg of Thomas Francknell + Suzan Okeover (Oker) who was elderly and unmarried, see my last post where I explained it correctly, I doubt that will change there. [sister Katherine Francknell] father dies the same year his last son of the same name is born, this son is also named Thomas Francknell. Those other ''sisters'' of DC, like say Chibball and Ford, etc., are the married surnames of [Katherine Francknell]'s blood sisters. === Elizabeth Francknell m. ? Ford. Suzan Francknell m. ? Chibball. Sibbill Francknell m. [???!!!???]. Dorothie Francknell m. ? Shaker. Katherine Francknell m. unmarried. [DC's 'sister']. [Anne Francknell]. [Rowlande Francknell]. [Thomas Francknell] [***]. [All above are blood brothers + sisters, children from TF + SO]. === All of the above information here should be correct from my [Specs] posts. DC had no surviving child or any known child at all. It is this chap to whom the ref. refers: [***]. === Having for the first time, taken time to sit down and find out where all these churches are, has drawn a serious pattern. Using Broad Street a center-piece, just a bit n. of it, all w. of it. all e. of it, this whole region is where just about everything is hitting all round. I am going to call this general area of concern ''L1''. -R: My feeling is that this Collins family is here for a while here in L1. At least 1G up or more. What is interesting here in L1, is one Anthony Markham, Gent. This is almost undoubtedly the Noble Markham Line of Fame. We must also remember that no-one I know of, has connected yet to this line of fame, including the Archbishop's line, who did not know who his (grt-)grt-grandfather was, and seems to have assumed the Markham arms, if anything. But for this (NL) Anthony Markham Gent. here: [All taken from St. Mary Woolnoth]: (bp) 1649 July 31. Anna, daughter of Anthony Markham, Gentleman, and Frances his wife, (daughter to Mr. Sweete.). (bur) 1634 Mar. 20. Alice, wife of Robert Sweete, Merchant. (bur) 1637 Anne, daughter of Robert Sweete, Merchant. (bp) 1638 Oct. 1S?. Hannah, daughter of Robert Sweete, Merchant. (bur) 1629 Mary Stone, servant with Mr. Sweete, Merchant. (bp) 1674 Thomas, son of Sir Thomas Markham, Knt, and of Mary his wife, born June 11. (m) 1635 Dec. 10. William Claxton, of Kirton, Co. Nottingham, and Elizabeth Williamson, of Markham, in the same County, by licence. (bp) June 11, 1674. Thomas, son of Sir Robert Markham, Baronet, and the Lady Mary, his wife, borne June 1, baptized by Mr. Williams, of St. Mildred, Poultrie. (m) 1656 Nov. 11. Martin Smith, of the Parish of St. Mary Woolnoth, and Elizabeth Markham, of the Parish of St. Buttolph, Bishopsgate. [Love to know who she is ?]. === === === [(m) 1635 Dec. 10. William Claxton, of Kirton, Co. Nottingham, and Elizabeth Williamson, of Markham, in the same County, by licence.]: I clearly do not know yet, but this sounds like a 150+ year prequil to the Mrs. (Markham) Penrose of Markham Notts lineage ?. This whole Dr. Mason etc., also sounds like part of the Mason-Wrench-Markham tree (Peter Yorke Wrench TX) whose line connected to my Markham line in early Rhodesia. This Bowes family here in L1 is huge. - S.K.M. - [!!!] ======================