MGC: (Deacon) Daniel Markham of EC's (to NE) mother is Martha Collins. Her brother will be Deacon Edward Collins of MA. She will be sister of [Phebe, da. of John & Mandlene Collins, b:3 March (1604/5)], and also [Sibel Colenes] who m. Henrie Linche. Martha Collins' father will at least be this same John Collins. So far, I/we do not know anything about him, or what his profession or job was. I had him set to be b:Abt. 1670. Before I go on, I want to make some comment on my 'feelings' coming into London: Specifically St. Peter le Poer: This must be a direct hit for something to happen here, I have no doubt about that !!!. I just don't know enough about the place just yet. St. PleP is not in Broad Street, but off it, and it is Broad Street. We know the Collins family of Bramford Suffolk is also in London, but not just anywhere in London, they must be right here in the vicinity of Bread Street and more specifically connect to this St. PleP church here. At the north end of Broad Street just bit on is the [Saint Botolph Bishopsgate, London] church. -R : Make good note of St. PleP and nearby churches (!!!). We seriously need to know more about this church, and who the elders, vicars, etc., say from 1550-1650 or so. This church must be almost the family burial vault for the close Collins relatives (!!!). A wod of close relatives are buried inside this church (!!!). OK, have I made the point ?. So we know like the other close families all round, usually held land or lived between 2 or more places. It will be here near Broad Street in London, for this Collins/Collens family, will have a huge impact on your tree in some way, I feel a great way actually. So this is a hit .... Now your Ed. Collins and our Martha Collins, bro + sis: So, it would happen that due to living between more than one property site, that the offspring would be born between those places and nearby vicinity. That is true and simple. The father of your Edward Collins (and Martha) is basically an unknown person fitted into your tree, but probably right. Take a walk down to the north end of Broad Street and hop over the fence, and go to the church [Saint Botolph Bishopsgate]. In the records there. one entry stands out for amoungst the others, and I speculate [Specs] that this chap might be yours: [JOHN COLLINS Christening: 25 MAR 1569 Saint Botolph Bishopsgate, London, England. Father: COLLINS]: I am almost certain this is him. Also b. there in absolute correct TL is: [SIBILLA COLLENS Christening: 24 MAY 1604 Saint Botolph Bishopsgate, London, England. Father: JOHNE COLLENS]: This is probably the later Sibill Linch. This should be the sister of Martha Collins of EC. What can I say ?. There is also a Thomas Collins here too, and I did say there was also a floating Thomas Collins around EC. TL suggests he 'might' be a brother of your Johne Collens ?. Your Collins line I think will be in London for a while at least. [A separate note]: Later on also here is found: [PHILLADELPHIA COLLINS Christening: 05 AUG 1632 Saint Botolph Bishopsgate, London, England. Father: MORRIS COLLINS Mother: ELIZABETH]: The name of 'PHILLADELPHIA' probably relates to the Philadelphia Society of John Pordage (The Mad Hatter) the father of Samuel Pordage, who are also seriously connected to this St. PleP church, etc. The names of [Leede and possibly Leete] should be noted all round. [Remember -R, one will have to try and distinguish between different dna cousins here, and not all Collins will be related]. [Madglen Trehone]: We know that this surname mainly, is not known for sure, there must be some problem to read it clearly ?. Maybe of note: There one or another William Faithhorne who does some painting/portrait of someone or another somewhere around here. I suspect he might be a relative doing a family portrait ?. Also the obvious possibility the surname might Faithhorne for Madglen ?. Maybe not .... Just found it now: [Pordage: His portrait was engraved by William Faithorne ?]. Daniel Collins m. his cousin Sybill Franklyn, and also referred to a 'cousin Markham'. I think one is for sure, and just about to happen, is quite a number of ''missing'' offspring to be found. To corrct my last post: <<< [SIBILLA COLLENS Christening: 24 MAY 1604 Saint Botolph Bishopsgate, London, England. Father: JOHNE COLLENS]: My tree suggests that this should be the [John Collins + Madglen Trehone/Grace Wagger]: The problem I have with this though, I have just seen, is that she is b:24-05-1604 the same year as Phoebe Collins b:03-03-1604. She seems to be of the same family though. >>> : What was I thinking ?. This must be it. It must be the say 1604/5 date thingy that is causing the problem here. Silbilla Collens + Phoebe Collins are sisters (!!!). Johne Collens was a family planner. He was .... He tried to have all his children b. in March (!!!), his latter children ruining the record, were b. May, etc. Martha Collins if b. after Sibel Colenes, would be b. the middle of the year it would seem, or second half of year. 'Our' Martha Collins should be b.1590-1611, or even b.1605-1611. Now [Johne Collens] father of Edward + Martha Collins: You will notice in the Bramford Suffolk records, this John (Johne Collens) Collins baptismal record does not exist, becoz he he b. here in London as shown. For [Johne Collens] children, all b. in Bramford Suffolk or here in/near St. PleP, except for Martha Collins. I suspect Martha Collins might be the younger sister of Sibill, but, her birth place probably in London, will form the next triangle to follow further. It will be a lone record. = [St. Peter Le Poer, London] [St. Botolph Bishopsgate, London] [St. Faith Under Saint Paul, London] [St. Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London] = ********** [TAYLOR, Susan - London, widow (f356): bur near chldr Ralph & Sibyl in St. Peter the Poor; son Thos Francknell; son Jms T; son in law Jn Taylor; dtr Eliz Ford, Susan Chibball & Dorothy Shaker; grandson Sam Ponndage; exec dtr Kath Francknell; wtns Dan Collins, Jn Buxton & Sibyl Collin.]: I 'think' they were all buried in St. PleP is that right ?. Every single person here is related and has to be sought and researched further, and added to these trees, they will make a splendid tree I am certain !. Susan Taylor: May she be Remembered Forever: The TL is hugely fine here all round. Samuel Pordage, [Student of Physick] b:1633 father was John Pordage, Rev. ['Doctor in Physick'], bapt:21-04-1607, and his father was Samuel Pordage, Grocer [London] who d:1626. This Samuel Pordage, Grocer of London, as I have it, his wife is supposed to be [Elizabeth Taylor]. Here just remains to be researched further: [Susan Taylor has: 'grandson Sam Ponndage']. Whatever the case, the pattern is clear enough, Susan Taylor and Elizabeth Taylor would be clearly connected and related here. There is no doubt in mind whatsoever, that this is the maternal line of Martha Collins who m. Jas Markham 'Attorney' of Earls Colne in Essex England. What can I say ?. The 'Of London' must be followed and better ascertained here, know and find out exactly where each person was, and follow it from there. [Doctor Doctor]: One must take exceptional note here please: The first pg of the Collins books for 'Pedigree of Dr. Collins': It was never shown who Dr. Collins was, simply because the person who placed this item did not clearly know which person was the Dr. Collins in question, but felt compelled to include this into the title of the record. Exact TL suggest that your Johne Collens could be this person ?. Johne Collens father is seemingly the John Collins 'Sailcloth Maker' of Bramford. So all we need now, is a Martha Collins b. to one John Collins, more than likely in London .... Lastly: John Collins who is the father of Edward, Sibill, and Martha, etc., shows no sign of a son John Collins. I can only suspect that there is missing son John Collins coming in here .... I suspect in this arena of upper Taylor lines, and thereabouts, more merchants and sailing cousin might be found .... Thank you .... - S.K.M. - [!!!] ========================