I was hoping that DNA would help. It didnt. I have one person 9 generations back but we have e-mailed and neither one of us can connect our line. The problem with this line is the grandfather, and sisters were put in a orphanage at a young age. They had very limited memory of the earlier years. Since they were all adopted out, the birth cert all list the adopted parents name, nothing on the real parents. One day something will break..... -----Original Message----- From: Bart Simon <thewanderer@iburst.co.za> To: RW COLLINS <collins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Feb 20, 2010 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [COLLINS] The Genealogist [!!! Hello, <<< I read your very wonderful posts about all your ancestors going back to ngland. It just really interest me because with my family I can not even onnect yet, to anyone past my husband's grandfather (born around 1908). One set f Collins can be found, another set just wants to keep hiding. (unbelievable). >> In your case, I would get in contact with some of your closer cousins just lightly up your tree. Find them, phone them, and you will start to find out all f the ''other half'' of the family stories that never came down your line of amily. Also make sure to get in contact with the female lines where the surname ould have changed into female lines. All these descendants will still have huge nowledge about their ancestry somewhere in this. Trust me!!! Break out of the hell you are in, and get in contact with lines near to yours, and those people ou might never have made contact with before. It will be the quickest way to reak the gap. You will find that there is a reason for every single problem in tree like this. But 1908 is too close for a relatively close cousin not to now horbs ('lots') on your tree. Do it, you won't regret it as soon as you tart speaking to lost close cousins. But you must include the female connection urnames too, don't just concentrate on Co! llins surname only, all the descendant lines will have some knowledge about his and that. You will find that someone in the family will know just about verything. It's true. My one maternal cousin in Zims knows everything, has oxes of family photos, knows everyone in them by name, their story, the family ecrets, and there are a few, start here, and see how it goes .... I am not a Collins researcher as such, and neither is this Markham line mine. I m genetically divorced from both thus far. I have an interest in one of the ost complex and intriguing Markham tree problems there is, and I am trying to lign this Markham alongside the Collins tree to see where it can take me. These ollins trees are interesting though. There is a huge contingent of Collins in his region of London we have looked at. I also suggest you do the dee thang dna), so you can at least get your grouping. 1908 is too close, you have to ask our own cousins about it first, they will know somewhere along the line. There s always a reason for these stops in trees, always. In my next post I will give n ending post on Tim Collins. A classic example of how and why a tree research rinds into a stop and halt.... "I sometimes wonder how many people can actually sit back and consider how lucky ne can be to experience a Human life on Earth? To be able to have one chance to ee the Universe and wonder about it. Can you imagine a Universe without Life, othing would know it was even there at all ...." S.K.M. Cheers - Super Ken [!!!] ====================================== BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

You are too far back. You must go the area of the ? mark. You could be 9G's back in the wrong tree, probably why you might never connect. Of course dee will help. You go and compare your line dee with that other persons line and see what happens, hit or miss !!!. Why don't you go looking for Collins death dates where say a husband and wife have died either on the same day or very near to each other. dna would be the first thing you would want to know. I am assuming they kept their original family surnames and not that of the adopted parents ?. skm. Subject: Re: [COLLINS] The Genealogist [!!!]: I was hoping that DNA would help. It didnt. I have one person 9 generations back but we have e-mailed and neither one of us can connect our line. The problem with this line is the grandfather, and sisters were put in a orphanage at a young age. They had very limited memory of the earlier years. Since they were all adopted out, the birth cert all list the adopted parents name, nothing on the real parents. One day something will break..... ===========================