In a message dated 11/3/2006 9:42:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: We were surprised to see that both participants showed paternal ancestry showing European markers. In other words, Vardy's male ancestors were initially white Europeans If a 'white Collins' had been taken in by a native tribe in early 1600s there would have been close to 10 generations of that white Collins with European DNA mixing with American Indians, so Vardy may have looked very much like an Indian but still carrying the European DNA... I have a good page on the Melungeons and some information on Vardy Collins and also on Valentine Collins who appears to be ancestor of the 'Magoffin County Indians' _http://www.geocities.com/ourmelungeons/front.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/ourmelungeons/front.html) Be sure to use the 'Search" engine on the bottom of the page Joanne