MGC: Like the Noble Line of Markham, these Markhams were severely linked to certain several families like Strelley, Sutton, etc. Your Collins and DDM Markham families are the same for at least 1500 - 1800+, yes that far !!!. These families are still being extensively related back in Old England, as well as in New England, and then between. Markham is still aligning itself to these Collins and associated families in a big way. There is a large number of these important associated families here for what we are looking at, just a few here in no order: Cole, Haywood, Spink, Cotton, Turner, Prentice, Acton, Aldred (!!!), Ward, Porter (!!!), Wilson, Spark(e)s, Cripps, Graves (!!!), CLARKE CLARKE and CLARKE (!!!), King, Rose and Rose and Rose, Hales, Pierce, Moore, Smith, Stevens, Harrys, Bedel, Burde/Birde, Lanne, Stonard/Stonnard, Jackson, PORTER PORTER and PORTER (!!!), again, Webbe/Webber, Munnings, Alden, Bower, Allen, Mott, Swallow, Stebbing, Sheppard (!!!), Adams, HART(E) and HART(E) and HART(E), Cutting, Christmas, DANIEL/DANNEL, Lee, Wicks/Weeks, Wicke, LITTLE and LITTLE and LITTLE, DAY and GREENE (!!! !!! !!!), Reynolds, Browne, etc., to name a few. Also add SCARLETT, GRAY, BUTTON (!!! !!! !!!). Please make a list of these names and the ones I have pointed out from previous posts. Also a list for hotspot places. You won't be able to do these Markham and Collins trees without adding all of these families, once you do, you will start seeing the bigger picture I am seeing and find a lot more. At a glance, these Markhams of Marlesford + Campsey-Ash in Suffolk, could be yours. Nearby is also of note, Hacheston and Tunstall. Here I am giving out what would seem at first, the most excellent chance of one of your DDM surviving lines back in OE. I have only just noticed Hacheston and Tunstall is nearby. So it seems your line of DDM was using the A12 motorway quite a lot (?). http://www.phillipsplace.net/genealogy/ps02/ps02_424.html http://www.phillipsplace.net/genealogy/ps05/ps05_103.html [m:27-12-1738 William Clarke Elizabeth Spink Woolpit] As above: One must also add some hotspot places where there are few or no Markhams etc., since these places will hold much for related families and find some links of note, like this Clark - Spink marriage of huge note. Also: [William Spink m:12-11-1787 Elizabeth Marcom in Bardwell Suffolk] [Michael Spinke m:27-12-1663 Elizabeth Rose in Ipswich Suffolk] Correction to previous email: The Margaret Lan I spoke of is probably relating to the Lanne family instead. But my placement of that link remains unchanged. I would also currently say that the Markhams of Bardwell + Marlesford + Campsey-Ash Suffolk are clearly associated, and probably yours, until we know better. === Here is a trick to use a certain search engine: Go here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle Click on say Suffolk, then click on say Bardwell, M011943 (1651-1756), a new window will open up and in the top right field box the cursor should flash there or click once in the field box with your mouse. Don't type anything in, just press the Enter button once and leave it. The page will bring up all of the records '' ''it has'' '' for that location. It is this way you can get all the records for once church. but also see who else is there. It is this seeing who else is there that is making a huge difference. At the bottom of the page you can click on next to go to the next page etc. I go right through the whole lot picking out all of the immediate ones I can see. One will have to go back a few time to get more related surnames as they become known. Not all of the records are in, and then one can just go here to look further: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp I am using this a lot to find glaring patterns. Also in the aforementioned field box, you can just the surname you require and it will in most cases bring up the soundex results for a surname given. At this point in time, I do not know if the MARKIN/MARKN surname will have any further bearing to this DDM lineage, but I follow the path I am on and wherever it will take me. There are way too many things for me to point them out individually, so I will take time to put out some posts of info I have. You will also notice the Graves family going to come in back in OE. The COPPING here might COPPIN, and I suspect in some cases COLLINS might in some few cases be spelt COLLING etc. But if you look further for each person in case, you will find a better spelling to use. The current spellings for the DDM line seem to be: MARKHAM - MARKAM - MARCOM in OE. I am clearly in the right place for associated families, it just remains to be seen if we have the correct dna Markhams. We need know Suffolk and London Markhams. North Ockenden is place we must still go ... ... ... - S.K.M. - [!!!] ==================