_radcrk@comcast.net_ (mailto:radcrk@comcast.net) Teresa, I'm sure Reiley wont mind me giving you his e-maill. He has done A LOT of Kidd research and been a lot of help to us all. Grace ____________________________________ From: tsanofsky@gmail.com Reply-to: kidd@rootsweb.com To: kidd@rootsweb.com Sent: 9/17/2011 3:31:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Re: [KIDD] Thomas Kidd of Middlesex Co VA origins and ancestry still unproven! Hello, Grace. I did not have a copy of Thomas Kidd's will, and I'm so pleased that you sent it. It contains some good information--names I didn't know before. I see that Reiley transcribed it; do you know where he read it? (maybe he is on the list and will respond) Thanks so very much for sharing! Teresa On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:58 PM, <GLSGAB@aol.com> wrote: > Teresa, > > Maybe you can make some sense out of some of these records. I have had in > my research for a long time. I have a lot of land deeds, etc on Thomas > Willis, who is thought to be Jane's father. > > "Via the Beverly Fleet Papers of Mr. Henry Lee. > Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Vol XXV, York > County, 1646-1648, Beverly Fleet, Genealogical > Publishing Co, 1961, p. 25:p. 187: The will of Peter Death, Date gone." > > This entry is so difficult that the abstract had to be made from the > transcript of 1894. > Henry Lee executor. He to receive debts due > from the country for 'servis' as followeth: Capt > Martiau, Mr. Cleveland, Obed Williams and Mr > Gwin, these parties having paid nothing. > Also there is due from Jno Floyne a head of tobo. > Thos Kidd has in Mr Chew's plantation a debt of > 50 lb tobo. John Leech a debtor. All these debts > to Henry Lee as executor. The date shown in the > transcript is 7 Oct 1646." > > The Cleveland's are mine. They intermarried with the Kidds. > > Grace S. Green > > Will of Thomas Kidd > > May 28, 1680; Middlesex County, Virginia > > In the name of God Amen, I Thomas Kid of Rapahanack River in the county of > Middlesex being sick of body butt in perfect health of memory praised be > to God for it att the making of this my Will and Testament. > > First I bequeath my soule to God my maker, that gave it to me and my body > the ground.; to bee burried in a decent manor. > > Second my will and pleasure is that my son Thomas Kid shall have my > dwelling house & plantation after his mothers decease with foe hundred and > fifty > acors of land ajoying theirto; Lirkewise my will and pleasure is, that noe > parte nor parcell of the estate shall bee alienated or disposed of; but it > shall remaine to him and his heires lawfully begotten or to my sonne > William > or his heires lawfully begotten and in case of mortallity that niither of > my sonns enjoy it; then the whole tract of land, that is now undivided > between my sonns, to be equally devided between my toe datterss, Elizabeth > and > Jane, further my will and pleasure is that my sonne William Kid have my > other plantation with two hundred acores theirto ajoining; further my > will is > that my son William have the first increase of the mare called gemo and > then she and her increase be equally devided between my three children, > William, Elizabeth & Jane, at their coming of age; further my will and > pleasure > is that my sonn Thomas; have that horse colte that sires one my other mare > called bonny; further my will is that my datter Elizabeth have a cow > called brandy, with hur increase and my sonn William to have one yearline > heafer called by the name of brandy's heafer with her increase, further I > will > and bequeath to my wife Jane Kidd all the rest of my estate and my wife > Jane Kid bee whole executrixe and ?adminisstrative and after my wife's > decease > if he be alive, I appointe my sonn Thomas Kid to be gardian to the rest of > my children; and Richard Willis and John Willis to be oversseres. All > the aforesd articles is the will and desire of me Thomas Kid as witness my > hand and seale this 28th day of May 1680. > > Testes; > > > JOHN WILLIS (his X mark) Tho Kid (signed) > Edward ?Docrose? > > Transcribed by Reiley Kidd. > > The spelling has been left as it was written by the clerk. Bad as it is. > Of course they wrote the way they talked. > > > Wit: John Conell > Signed: Peter [his X mark] Death > David Pritchard > > > > In a message dated 9/11/2011 5:00:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > tsanofsky@gmail.com writes: > > Hello, Sandra, > > Thank you for this important reminder. I just pasted that into my > genealogy > program in the notes for Thomas. > > All the information I have for Thomas and Jane was passed to me by others > without any source notes. Do you have a source for a death date/place > for > Thomas and Jane? I have: > Thomas d. 28 May 1680 in Burnhams Creek, Middlesex, Virginia > Jane--no info other than a last name that someone guessed at > > Thanks, Sandra! > Teresa > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Sandra Kidd <skkidd@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > > Recently, there was a post to this list about the origins and ancestry > of > > Thomas Kidd of Middlesex Co VA, died 1680. > > > > This is a reminder to all interested in this line that we have no > > documentation for the ancestry of this Thomas Kidd, nor any > documentation > > of > > his English origins. > > > > The information that he came from Soham Parish in Cambridgeshire is > purely > > speculative and there are no records that link him to this point of > origin. > > > > There is a research document that details the parish records of Kidds in > > Soham but there is nothing in the Soham records of the period that > confirms > > any link to Middlesex Co VA or Thomas Kidd who died 1680 in Middlesex Co > > VA. > > > > > > Our Kidd Y-DNA study has Y-DNA tested a Kidd with documented Soham > Parish > > descent and he does not match any other Kidds in our study. We continue > to > > seek other documented Soham Parish Kidd descendants for testing, but > they > > are hard to find since no Kidds have lived in Soham for more than 100 > > years. > > > > This also is a reminder that there is no proof whatsoever of the maiden > > name > > of Jane, wife of Thomas Kidd who died 1680, and there is no proof > > whatsoever > > of the maiden name of Margaret, wife of William Kidd (1675-1727) who was > > the > > son of Thomas Kidd. > > > > I realize that many of us (including me at earlier times) have put about > > these assumptions about Thomas Kidd's origins and the maiden names of > his > > wife Jane and his daughter in law Margaret, wife of William Kidd. So I > > post > > this correction from time to time to help those who may be newer to > Thomas > > Kidd family research and its various mysteries. > > > > Sandra Kidd > > skkidd@bellsouth.net > > descendant of Thomas Kidd of Middlesex Co VA through his son William > Kidd > > of > > Middlesex Co VA and grandson Aaron Kidd of Albemarle Co VA > > > > Kidd Y-DNA study co-administrator > > www.familytreedna.com/public/Kidd > > > > > > "Kidds helping Kidds" > > > > When was the list time you posted to the list? Do it today! Let us > know > > who you are researching. Did you find a small tidbits? Tell us about > it, > > it must help bring down walls. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KIDD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > "Kidds helping Kidds" > > When was the list time you posted to the list? Do it today! 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Orange County, Virginia...Collins Marriages This helped me, maybe it will be useful to others. Grace S. Green Edward COLLINS to Anne COLLINS, 24 May 1781; Sur: James Coleman Francis COLLINS to Peggy Dahoney (d/Thomas), 27 Apr 1794; Sur: Gideon Underwood Francis T. COLLINS to Margaret Williams, 22 Dec 1817; Sur: Jacob Williams George COLLINS to Elizabeth Mitchell, 10 Feb 1794; Sur: William Mitchell; Wit: James Taylor, Charles Taylor James COLLINS (s/George) to Sarah Harvie (d/John), 13 Jan 1792, Sur: William Mitchell, Wit: William Harvie James COLLINS to Lucy Burton (d/Capt May Burton, Jr.), 26 Aug 1793; Sur: William Richard Jr., Wit: Jos Burton, Wm Rucker James COLLINS Jr. to Mildred C. Johnson, 23 May 1824; Sur: Valentine Johnson Jerome B. COLLINS to Jane Burrus, 7 Dec 1831 John COLLINS to Elizabeth Kirtly, 4 Jan 1803 John COLLINS to Betty Yager, 28 Dec 1803; Sur: Benj COLLINS John COLLINS to Frances B. Cave, 17 Dec 1823; Sur: Phillip C. Cave John COLLINS to Rebecca Beckham, 10 Nov 1829 Lewis Dillard COLLINS to Elizabeth Williams, 24 Dec 1792; Sur: Jacob Williams Peter COLLINS to Ann C. William, 24 Aug 1856 Reuben COLLINS to Fanny Riddle (d/James), 13 May 1807; Sur: Valentine Riddle; Wit: Wm Riddle Roswell COLLINS to Verlinday Johnson, 15 Nov 1827 Tandy COLLINS to Ann Beagley (d/James Sr.), 7 Feb 1809; Sur: Sanford Beagley, Wit: Robert Beagley William COLLINS to Patty Snell, 16 Sep 1776 William COLLINS to Sally Quisenberry, 18 Oct 1813 William COLLINS to Anky Breedwell, 3 Jan 1826 William COLLINS to Nancy Mahames, 12 Dec 1828 William H. COLLINS to Frances C. Barbour, 24 Jul 1834 William W. COLLINS to Frances Williams, 6 Aug 1844; Sur: Jacob Williams Larkin Bell to Ann COLLINS, 4 Feb 1830; Bndman: Lewis D. Collins John Gayden to Caty COLLINS, 9 Mar 1773 John Gibson to Eliza COLLINS, 31 Jan 1822 Benj C. Payne to Elizabeth A. COLLINS, 21 Dec 1865 Chas G. Trevillian to Elizabeth L. COLLINS (d/L. D.), 24 Jul 1837 Lewis Heastin to Drucilla COLLINS, 14 Feb 1826; Bndman: Nordica COLLINS James Crash to Jane COLLINS, 25 Apr 1796; Sur: Edw COLLINS Wm Robinson to Margaret COLLINS, 26 Nov 1794; Bndman: Richard COLLINS John Landrum to Mary COLLINS (d/Edward), 7 Feb 1794; Sur: Thos Landrum Thomas Martin to Sarah COLLINS, 26 May 1828 Lewis D. Robinson to Sarah J. COLLINS (d/Lewis D.), 24 Nov 1845

My husband's family were both mostly Collins and Biggs.  The families were intertwined.  Many yrs ago I was studying the Melungeon families and both names were on the list along with my family name of Denhams.  Howard's Collins' were from VA.  The Biggs I haven't found out of Ohio yet and my Denhams came from England to New England and on to KY and Ohio.  It is a very interesting research.  My daughter had many illnesses as she grew up.  Fibromyalgia, Bi-polar, migraines, hib disease.  She passed away at age 35.  My husband's Collins family had an Am. Indian named Melinda Smith.  She was from Ohio.  This is all I was ever able to find.  Hope you find what you are searching for.  If I can be of help, let me know. Mary Jo McKinley From: Alice Sanders <sanders922@comcast.net> To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Melungeon On a trip to eastern Kentucky some years back the subject of the Melungeon families came up.  I was told research is very hard because of prejudice aimed at them in earlier years.  There are many families in that part of the country with Melungeon heritage.  I bought a book in one of the book shops, Melungeons: the resurrection of a proud people, Ken, R 974 to donate to our genealogy collection in our public library.  It names a lot of people.  I can do a look up for any Collins that might be listed in the book if you wish. I guess the Collins line I'm specifically talking about would be the line extending from David Collins-Aaron(1773)-Harmon(1807)-etc. I know currently many of my Collins family live throughout south eastern Missouri and north eastern Arkansas. From speaking with my father there are also Collins relations throughout other parts of Missouri and even Indiana. Though it is still somewhat up in the air where my great great grandfather Jacob Collins came from, it is believed that Harmon Collins may have been his father.  Also there are relations between the Bulls(became Turnbulls), Nasalrods and Dentons. I appreciate any direction in this because with alot of the stuff I am reading on the internet it becomes confusing as to who was(is) and who wasn't(isn't). Definitely an interesting topic. ---- kyroots@aol.com wrote: ============= There are a number of Collins families that appear to have been 'called' Melungeon at one time or another. DNA has shown most of them appear to be unrelated as far as Collins but possibly belonging to same Native Tribes at one point.  There is no proof that I have found to date that shows any of these Collins families 'mated' with slaves, were freed, runaway, etc.  One line appears to descend from the line out of Louisa Co., Va., to Orange Co.,  Wilkes, Rowan, NC and then to East Tennessee.  Another line which may be considered Melungeon are the Thomas and George found in the 1794 petition in Georgetown, or Marion Co., SC.  They may be the same Collins family found in Wilson Co., or Bells Bend, Tenn. Another line appears to be Benjamin Collins, unrelated to the Virginia Collins line that also appears in East Tennessee. If you scroll down this page to PICOSEARCH and type in Collins there is a lot of info http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html Joanne -----Original Message----- From: rtcollins <rtcollins@cox.net> To: Collins List <Collins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 1:13 am Subject: [COLLINS] Melungeon I have a question I was wondering if anyone has an answer to. After doing much esearch  I am still confused about which lines are considered Melungeon and hich lines are not. Are the descendants of Vardy the only Melungeons or are all he Collins that came from Virginia in the 1700's, through North Carolina onsidered Melungeons as well? I've also seen lists by Paul Heineg with Collins from North Carolina listed as ulatto and am wondering if these are the same Collins from Virginia. Thanks for any clarification. E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you go to this link and scroll down to picosearch and type in Collins a number of pages will come up. http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html Particlularly interesting are the articles by Dromgoole There is, perhaps, no more satisfactory method of illustrating this peculiar race, it's origin and blood, than by the familiar tree. Old Vardy Collins, then, must be regarded as the body, or main stem, in this state, at all events. It is only of very late years the Melungeons have been classed as families. Originally they were tribes, afterward clans and at last families. From Old Vardy the first tribe took it's first name Collins. Others who followed Vardy took the Collins name also. Old Benjamin Collins, one of the pioneers, was older than Vardy, but came to Tennessee a trifle later. He had quite a large family of children, among them Edmond, Mileyton, Marler, Harry, Andrew, Zeke, Jordon. From Jordan Collins descended Calloway Collins who is still living today and from whom I obtained some valuable information. But.....go back a step. Benjamin Collins was known as old Ben, and became the head of the Ben's tribe. Old Solomon Collins was the head of Sol's tribe. The race was increasing so rapidly, by emigration and otherwise, that it became necessary to adopt other names than Collins. They fell ,curiously enough, upon the first or Christian name of the head of a large family connection or tribe. Emigrants arriving attached themselves as they chose to the several tribes. After a while, with an eye to brevity, doubtless, the word "tribe" was dropped from ordinary, everyday use. The "Bens" the "Sols" meant the Ben and Sols Tribes. It appeared that no tribe was ever called for Old Vary, although as long as he lived he was recognized as head and leader of the entire people. http://www.historical-melungeons.com/wad.html -----Original Message----- From: Donna B <kydjcb@yahoo.com> To: collins <collins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Melungeon Does anyone have information on the Benjamin line? Donna ---- Original Message ----- rom: "kyroots@aol.com" <kyroots@aol.com> o: collins@rootsweb.com c: ent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:10 PM ubject: Re: [COLLINS] Melungeon here are a number of Collins families that appear to have been 'called' elungeon at one time or another. DNA has shown most of them appear to be nrelated as far as Collins but possibly belonging to same Native Tribes at one oint. There is no proof that I have found to date that shows any of these ollins families 'mated' with slaves, were freed, runaway, etc. One line appears to descend from the line out of Louisa Co., Va., to Orange o., Wilkes, Rowan, NC and then to East Tennessee. Another line which may be onsidered Melungeon are the Thomas and George found in the 1794 petition in eorgetown, or Marion Co., SC. They may be the same Collins family found in ilson Co., or Bells Bend, Tenn. Another line appears to be Benjamin Collins, unrelated to the Virginia Collins ine that also appears in East Tennessee. If you scroll down this page to PICOSEARCH and type in Collins there is a lot of nfo ttp://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html Joanne ----Original Message----- rom: rtcollins <rtcollins@cox.net> o: Collins List <Collins-L@rootsweb.com> ent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 1:13 am ubject: [COLLINS] Melungeon have a question I was wondering if anyone has an answer to. After doing much search I am still confused about which lines are considered Melungeon and ich lines are not. Are the descendants of Vardy the only Melungeons or are all e Collins that came from Virginia in the 1700's, through North Carolina nsidered Melungeons as well? 've also seen lists by Paul Heineg with Collins from North Carolina listed as latto and am wondering if these are the same Collins from Virginia. hanks for any clarification. SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi,   I'm looking for information on my Grandfather William Lyle Collins, he served in the Rainbow Division of WWI and also his uncle's family, Michael Collins.  I have information on Michael but would like information on the rest of his family.  I also would like to correspond with anyone related to this Collins line.   Thanks! Kathleen Romanovich

I guess the Collins line I'm specifically talking about would be the line extending from David Collins-Aaron(1773)-Harmon(1807)-etc. I know currently many of my Collins family live throughout south eastern Missouri and north eastern Arkansas. From speaking with my father there are also Collins relations throughout other parts of Missouri and even Indiana. Though it is still somewhat up in the air where my great great grandfather Jacob Collins came from, it is believed that Harmon Collins may have been his father. Also there are relations between the Bulls(became Turnbulls), Nasalrods and Dentons. I appreciate any direction in this because with alot of the stuff I am reading on the internet it becomes confusing as to who was(is) and who wasn't(isn't). Definitely an interesting topic. ---- kyroots@aol.com wrote: ============= There are a number of Collins families that appear to have been 'called' Melungeon at one time or another. DNA has shown most of them appear to be unrelated as far as Collins but possibly belonging to same Native Tribes at one point. There is no proof that I have found to date that shows any of these Collins families 'mated' with slaves, were freed, runaway, etc. One line appears to descend from the line out of Louisa Co., Va., to Orange Co., Wilkes, Rowan, NC and then to East Tennessee. Another line which may be considered Melungeon are the Thomas and George found in the 1794 petition in Georgetown, or Marion Co., SC. They may be the same Collins family found in Wilson Co., or Bells Bend, Tenn. Another line appears to be Benjamin Collins, unrelated to the Virginia Collins line that also appears in East Tennessee. If you scroll down this page to PICOSEARCH and type in Collins there is a lot of info http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html Joanne -----Original Message----- From: rtcollins <rtcollins@cox.net> To: Collins List <Collins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 1:13 am Subject: [COLLINS] Melungeon I have a question I was wondering if anyone has an answer to. After doing much esearch I am still confused about which lines are considered Melungeon and hich lines are not. Are the descendants of Vardy the only Melungeons or are all he Collins that came from Virginia in the 1700's, through North Carolina onsidered Melungeons as well? I've also seen lists by Paul Heineg with Collins from North Carolina listed as ulatto and am wondering if these are the same Collins from Virginia. Thanks for any clarification. E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On a trip to eastern Kentucky some years back the subject of the Melungeon families came up. I was told research is very hard because of prejudice aimed at them in earlier years. There are many families in that part of the country with Melungeon heritage. I bought a book in one of the book shops, Melungeons: the resurrection of a proud people, Ken, R 974 to donate to our genealogy collection in our public library. It names a lot of people. I can do a look up for any Collins that might be listed in the book if you wish. I guess the Collins line I'm specifically talking about would be the line extending from David Collins-Aaron(1773)-Harmon(1807)-etc. I know currently many of my Collins family live throughout south eastern Missouri and north eastern Arkansas. From speaking with my father there are also Collins relations throughout other parts of Missouri and even Indiana. Though it is still somewhat up in the air where my great great grandfather Jacob Collins came from, it is believed that Harmon Collins may have been his father. Also there are relations between the Bulls(became Turnbulls), Nasalrods and Dentons. I appreciate any direction in this because with alot of the stuff I am reading on the internet it becomes confusing as to who was(is) and who wasn't(isn't). Definitely an interesting topic. ---- kyroots@aol.com wrote: ============= There are a number of Collins families that appear to have been 'called' Melungeon at one time or another. DNA has shown most of them appear to be unrelated as far as Collins but possibly belonging to same Native Tribes at one point. There is no proof that I have found to date that shows any of these Collins families 'mated' with slaves, were freed, runaway, etc. One line appears to descend from the line out of Louisa Co., Va., to Orange Co., Wilkes, Rowan, NC and then to East Tennessee. Another line which may be considered Melungeon are the Thomas and George found in the 1794 petition in Georgetown, or Marion Co., SC. They may be the same Collins family found in Wilson Co., or Bells Bend, Tenn. Another line appears to be Benjamin Collins, unrelated to the Virginia Collins line that also appears in East Tennessee. If you scroll down this page to PICOSEARCH and type in Collins there is a lot of info http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html Joanne -----Original Message----- From: rtcollins <rtcollins@cox.net> To: Collins List <Collins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 1:13 am Subject: [COLLINS] Melungeon I have a question I was wondering if anyone has an answer to. After doing much esearch I am still confused about which lines are considered Melungeon and hich lines are not. Are the descendants of Vardy the only Melungeons or are all he Collins that came from Virginia in the 1700's, through North Carolina onsidered Melungeons as well? I've also seen lists by Paul Heineg with Collins from North Carolina listed as ulatto and am wondering if these are the same Collins from Virginia. Thanks for any clarification. E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have information on the Benjamin line? Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "kyroots@aol.com" <kyroots@aol.com> To: collins@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Melungeon There are a number of Collins families that appear to have been 'called' Melungeon at one time or another. DNA has shown most of them appear to be unrelated as far as Collins but possibly belonging to same Native Tribes at one point.  There is no proof that I have found to date that shows any of these Collins families 'mated' with slaves, were freed, runaway, etc.  One line appears to descend from the line out of Louisa Co., Va., to Orange Co.,  Wilkes, Rowan, NC and then to East Tennessee.  Another line which may be considered Melungeon are the Thomas and George found in the 1794 petition in Georgetown, or Marion Co., SC.  They may be the same Collins family found in Wilson Co., or Bells Bend, Tenn. Another line appears to be Benjamin Collins, unrelated to the Virginia Collins line that also appears in East Tennessee. If you scroll down this page to PICOSEARCH and type in Collins there is a lot of info http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html Joanne -----Original Message----- From: rtcollins <rtcollins@cox.net> To: Collins List <Collins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 1:13 am Subject: [COLLINS] Melungeon I have a question I was wondering if anyone has an answer to. After doing much esearch  I am still confused about which lines are considered Melungeon and hich lines are not. Are the descendants of Vardy the only Melungeons or are all he Collins that came from Virginia in the 1700's, through North Carolina onsidered Melungeons as well? I've also seen lists by Paul Heineg with Collins from North Carolina listed as ulatto and am wondering if these are the same Collins from Virginia. Thanks for any clarification. E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are a number of Collins families that appear to have been 'called' Melungeon at one time or another. DNA has shown most of them appear to be unrelated as far as Collins but possibly belonging to same Native Tribes at one point. There is no proof that I have found to date that shows any of these Collins families 'mated' with slaves, were freed, runaway, etc. One line appears to descend from the line out of Louisa Co., Va., to Orange Co., Wilkes, Rowan, NC and then to East Tennessee. Another line which may be considered Melungeon are the Thomas and George found in the 1794 petition in Georgetown, or Marion Co., SC. They may be the same Collins family found in Wilson Co., or Bells Bend, Tenn. Another line appears to be Benjamin Collins, unrelated to the Virginia Collins line that also appears in East Tennessee. If you scroll down this page to PICOSEARCH and type in Collins there is a lot of info http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html Joanne -----Original Message----- From: rtcollins <rtcollins@cox.net> To: Collins List <Collins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 1:13 am Subject: [COLLINS] Melungeon I have a question I was wondering if anyone has an answer to. After doing much esearch I am still confused about which lines are considered Melungeon and hich lines are not. Are the descendants of Vardy the only Melungeons or are all he Collins that came from Virginia in the 1700's, through North Carolina onsidered Melungeons as well? I've also seen lists by Paul Heineg with Collins from North Carolina listed as ulatto and am wondering if these are the same Collins from Virginia. Thanks for any clarification. E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

They are not all from the same line. The Melungeon are a separate and distinct family(s) line. It isn't known for sure where the "Melungeon" part came into the Collins line. DNA has proven it was not a distant sailor from Spain/Italy/where ever that was ship wrecked. I have traced my particular Collins line to the Chesapeake Bay area in the early 1700s. This particular line of the Collins family seems to have come from England. Some of this family did go south into the Carolinas. I have no doubt there were other Collins lines that immigrated directly to the Carolinas. As for the mulatto listing many of the Collins families owned slaves and some had no qualms mating with one of the female slaves. Slaves often took the name of their "master" when they were set free. Collins is a very common name and they cannot all be lumped into one big group. I have a question I was wondering if anyone has an answer to. After doing much research I am still confused about which lines are considered Melungeon and which lines are not. Are the descendants of Vardy the only Melungeon or are all the Collins that came from Virginia in the 1700's, through North Carolina considered Melungeons as well? I've also seen lists by Paul Heineg with Collins from North Carolina listed as Mulatto and am wondering if these are the same Collins from Virginia. Thanks for any clarification. BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a question I was wondering if anyone has an answer to. After doing much research I am still confused about which lines are considered Melungeon and which lines are not. Are the descendants of Vardy the only Melungeons or are all the Collins that came from Virginia in the 1700's, through North Carolina considered Melungeons as well? I've also seen lists by Paul Heineg with Collins from North Carolina listed as Mulatto and am wondering if these are the same Collins from Virginia. Thanks for any clarification.

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Don, Thank you for sharing that bit of English history with everyone on the Collins name. My Mitchell Collins is known to come from Northern Ireland. Mitchell Collins b. Nov 1823 and immigrated Oct 1859 to New York and spent several years working in the oil fields of Pennsylvania. From there he moved to the growing, bustling city of Clinton, Clinton Co. Iowa, on the Mississippi River, with two friends: Prentice Holmes and Jerome Scofield who were witnesses when Mitchell became naturalized 1876. Mitchell married Ann Eliz. Gravenor 1871 (b. Messingham, Lincs Co.) and had four children before moving in 1881 to the village of Waltham, North Tama Co., Iowa where he farmed and lived a quiet life. Mitchell never left a clue to which County he came. I'm leaning toward Antrim where other families living near him, also immigrated to Tama County, Iowa. Bonnie

Hello, Does anyone know who were the parents of James Collins, born circa 1730 in Virginia, married Mary Jane Kirtley, 1 March 1752 in Orange County, VA. She was the dau of {Sir?} Francis Kirtley and Margaret Roberts. Margaret died, testate, in Germania, Culpeper Co. VA, 20 February 1781. Thanks so much, Grace S. Green

I found the following post somewhere online, but can't find who made the post. Does anyone have the email address for this lady? Hello to every Collins out there! I have been tracing my Family Tree and have got back to 1414! I live in England and still only live a couple of miles away from were my Ancestors were at this time! The meaning of our surname Collins literally means 'Son of Nicholas', originally it would have been Nicholason, then Colason, Colynson, Colinson, Collaines, and then eventually Collins! (all names I have found within my own family tree) The origin is Viking! - Danish Viking to be exact and then of course becoming English, which is very apt for me because I live in the shire given to the Vikings back in the 900's which they called the Danelaw and this area, including my village is Viking! There is still a high concentration of Collins' in Devon (the south of England). Back in the 1700's the Devonshire Miners were encouraged to go to Ireland to mine, hence the name becoming widespread in that area. Although there was a clan called the O'Coilleain who Anglicized their original name and turned it into Collins. Hope this has been of some help and interest!

I've "rescued" an old photograph of W. B. LACY which was taken at the W. S. Gardner Studio in Corvallis, Oregon. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1890's with the young man in the photograph likely in his 20's at the time it was taken. In addition to his name, someone appears to have written the initials "JEA" on the back of the photograph as well. Based on limited research I was able to locate the following information regarding the young man in the photograph: William B. LACY was b. Apr 1872 in OR and first married Laura E. COLLINS (b. Aug 1872 in OR) in about 1899 in OR. Census records provide the following information: 1900 census of Corvallis, OR: Wm COLLINS, age 57, born Mar 1843, married 35 years, born MO, parents born VA/KY, a Farmer Mary L. COLLINS, wife, age 55, born Jul 1844, married 35 years, 6 children/3 living, born MO, parents born VA/KY Ralph L. COLLINS, son, age 17, born Oct 1882, born OR, at School Wm B. LACY, son-in-law, age 28, born Apr 1872, married 1 year, born OR, parents born IL/OH, a Dry Goods Salesman Laura LACY, dau, age 27, born Aug 1872, married 1 year, no children, born OR 1920 census of Portland, OR: William B. LACY, age 47, born OR, parents born IA/OH, City of Portland Sewer Dept. employee Mattie L. LACY, wife, age 37, born OH, parents born OH/IN Doris J. LACY, dau, age 3 years + 6 months, born OR Marie E. LACY, dau, age 1 month, born OR David REX, father-in-law, age 76, born OH, parents born PA Mary Jane REX, mother-in-law, age 70, born IN, parents born VA I am hoping to be able to return the photograph to a member of this LACY Family. If you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

I've been meaning to write but we have been moving to a new home and not much extra time. I was so glad to see Roger wrote to you. He is a fantastic Collins researcher. In fact, he reallly started the ball rolling for dna studies. I believe he still uses Ancestry.com dna which was first Relative finder and then Ancestry bought them as I understand. We have our line on both Ancestry and Familytreedna. Familytreedna is where the Melungeon study started. Hope you are having some more luck with tracing Jacob. I want to give you info on Morgan Co. IN. I need to look at some notes I have but basically many of the men moved there from Knox Co. KY. I'm probably repeating myself! Hopefully, I can send you more tomorrow. Karen -----Original Message----- From: rtcollins <rtcollins@cox.net> To: collins <collins@rootsweb.com> Cc: Jackie Foster <jandbill@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2011 5:35 am Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Jacob Collins, Missouri I was thinking a bit more about your response post. I believe that Mary was the aughter of Aaron "Arn" Collins and Elizabeth. I am thinking, though I have no roof, that Jacob may have been the son of Harmon Collins. This would make his irst wife, Mary, his cousin. It is all just assumption though on my part as I till believe that Jacob had gone by a different first name. I have been looking hrough various census throughout Missouri, Indiana and Kentucky for an naccounted for Collins but cannot seem to find one. The only other conclusion I can come up with besides the fact that he may have een unaccounted for somehow is that he was adopted. The census he shows up in exas County, MO it shows his mother and father's birthplace as Indiana. Other ensus from Missouri it shows his parents as being born in Missouri. My great reat grandfather is definitely a tough little monster to figure out. ---- Jackie Foster <jandbill@aol.com> wrote: 1870 census Texas County, MO has Jacob, age 21, and Mary, age 24, living next oor to Elizabeth Collins age 60 and son Isaah age 20...... No husband... may ave been killed in the Civil War....There is also a Henry on the same age...Could be an older son of Elizabeth....This family is from entucky....Will be happy to help with research in a couple of weeks if you till need help. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: rtcollins <rtcollins@cox.net> To: COLLINS <COLLINS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:47 pm Subject: [COLLINS] Jacob Collins, Missouri Hello all! I am on what seems tio be a very difficult quest. I am searching or nformation on where my great great grandfather Jacob Collins b. 1846-1853 inona, Shannon Co., Missouri came from lineage wise. I know that he was arried o a Mary Collins and later married a Rachel Duty. My great grandfather was rancis Marion Collins. I have a bunch of information gathered from various sources and one is a andwritten note that says that he was the brother of Isaiah Collins(son of armon) and can thus can be traced back to David Collins 1750. However, I do ot ee any brothers of Isaiah with the name of Jacob. This leads me to the onclusion that Jacob is not the first name and may instead be his middle name. Also, would Harmon Collins and previous Collins of that line be considered Melungeon"? As a kid my father always thought we were Irish. Thansk for any elp! E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I'll bet this is your Collins. I probably have it incorrect, but if his mother was a Garr, it could be he was given her surname. These are my Collins in Newton Co., MS. They used to have a family reunion around Sept 4th. I don't know if they still do. I haven't been in a few years. My father was also a Texas Ranger around 1926. How do you find this info? Grace S. Green FATHER: William Albert COLLINS bir: 18 Jul 1886 child Union, Newton County, Mississippi dea: 1930 deceased Union County, Mississippi Father: Silas Ezekiel COLLINS_[i]_ (aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_edn1) COLLSE52 Mother: Elizabeth GARR ____________________________________ _[i]_ (aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ednref1) . Collins & Allied Families by Lorene Rayburn Conner. In a message dated 7/8/2011 9:19:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cas25@cableone.net writes: Albert G. Collins was a Texas Ranger in 1880-1881. He served in the Frontier Battalion, Company C, under Captain Arrington. We are looking to place a Former Texas Ranger Association memorial at his burial site in Newton, County, Mississippi. We also need to find a descendant of this Albert Goodwin Collins (AG Collins). Any help someone from this board can give would be appreciated. Charles BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, for the reply. This will become, I think, an extensive communication, so I suggest we exchange personally. My address is cas25@cableone.net. I am going to forward your reply to cousin John R. Collins also. He is most active on the issue of the Former Texas Ranger Association and you can expect a direct communication from him. Charles

Albert G. Collins was a Texas Ranger in 1880-1881. He served in the Frontier Battalion, Company C, under Captain Arrington. We are looking to place a Former Texas Ranger Association memorial at his burial site in Newton, County, Mississippi. We also need to find a descendant of this Albert Goodwin Collins (AG Collins). Any help someone from this board can give would be appreciated. Charles