Whew! It'll take a bit to digest all this! -R. Bart Simon wrote in part: > MGC: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dav4is/ODTs/COLLINS.shtml#fam1 > > First of all, -R, the John Collins 'Salter of London', at the top of your > tree should be put on pause for a while. In fact, just separate him, but > don't take him out. The John Collins the father of those as you have him to > be, should be John Collins 'Sailcloth Maker'. -R, I am wondering if you > could maybe make a second web site page for us to work on, and leave your > original as is ?. Or whatever. Can we get a working web page tree to work on > ?. Can you manage it and update it for us ?. You take your existing one, > copy it over, and update it for us ?. I will also need some other lines > added to it. Maybe off-list you could tell me which Collins line you come > from. The Bedle line into Woolverstone Suffolk is seriously close to the > William Markham in NE. If you decide to start a working web chart, maybe can > you use say Arial font for difference ?. Please take it, I am only passing > by for a short while, but maybe I can give you something better to go on. > ... -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dav4is/ 538 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 136,000+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM A Democrat, a Republican and a giraffe walk into a bar. The bartender looks up from his want ads and says, "What is this, a joke?" -unknown

MGC: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dav4is/ODTs/COLLINS.shtml#fam1 First of all, -R, the John Collins 'Salter of London', at the top of your tree should be put on pause for a while. In fact, just separate him, but don't take him out. The John Collins the father of those as you have him to be, should be John Collins 'Sailcloth Maker'. -R, I am wondering if you could maybe make a second web site page for us to work on, and leave your original as is ?. Or whatever. Can we get a working web page tree to work on ?. Can you manage it and update it for us ?. You take your existing one, copy it over, and update it for us ?. I will also need some other lines added to it. Maybe off-list you could tell me which Collins line you come from. The Bedle line into Woolverstone Suffolk is seriously close to the William Markham in NE. If you decide to start a working web chart, maybe can you use say Arial font for difference ?. Please take it, I am only passing by for a short while, but maybe I can give you something better to go on. -R: The first change you have make is to change you ancestor to [John Collins 'Sailcloth Maker' of Bramford Suffolk]: This should be correct. The url for the Collins family is a great start to this tree. The main problem with the book tree, is that it is clearly wrong in several places. The 2 Abigails seems to be a mix up, just use a bit of TL (Time Line) to see the problem. There seems to be another brother that has siblings at the top of this tree which is causing some of the problems here. Possibly a Thomas Collins, another John Collins. I want to break this whole tree up into small pieces, smash it, and then try and fix it. Can we do that ?. Just break it all up !!!. This Collins tree is very wrong in many places, and one will need to start it all over again at the top of this tree. I feel that there is good chance some of these Collins are related, but misplaced all over the show. It is usually much quicker to start a tree like from scratch. My primary interest is to plot out the family of the (Merchant + Deacon) Edward Collins who went to NE who d:1689, who the (Deacon) Daniel Markham in MA, claims him to be his uncle. I suspect Daniel Markham's Deaconship is directly related to his uncle Deacon Edward Collins. This must have come from his uncle's influence. I use a system of questions marks for any single point of something not proved or questionable (?). I also am not yet sure if this Collins tree is bridged out across maybe a separate Collins tree of people. One thing I do know, is that this Collins tree just needs to be researched, the information is certainly there to look into. One will also have to get used to the idea, that if things change, the picture might change quite a lot in some ways. We also need to correct other points: Bedle, Ward, Collins, Markham, etc. There seems to be a stark contrast here, in current trees, on nobility (!!!). The Collins-Bedle-Ward-Francklyn-Franknell-Cozzins-Taylor-Thompson/Tomson-Markham/Marcam/Markome/Markam must be followed. It seems these families are seriously marrying into all of their cousins. To -R: You must take note of this (!!!): === ***** One clear pattern for the widow Abigail Collins (w.3), there is usually/always a John + Daniel Collins mentioned alongside after her husband died in 1594. The will of Daniel Collins also states that she was the THIRD wife of her husband John Collins, his 2 previous wives are currently unknown. This is a WP (Way Point in Time Line and Fact). -R: Make this Abigail Collins the 3rd and LAST w. of this John Collins 'Sailcloth Maker' of Bramford'. This Daniel Collins must have known who his mother and father was, so let us not change what he said and wrote. He is currently NOT the 'Salter of London'. === St. Peter le Poer in London. Bread Street (Bredstreet; Broad Street?) in London. Anything within a few blocks of here. CFiE (Collins Family in England): Pg. 144: 1637, Vintrey Ward, St. Thomas the Apostle, an entry listed says: "one house divided into 2 tents inhabited by John Stambrooke & his family. John Collins & his family." At [Vintrey Ward, St. Thomas the Apostle]: In the records of this church and place, should be a branch this Collins family. Now these two chaps + families are living in a house divided into two tents. Tents .... OK !!!. John Stambrooke seems to be a [Barber Pg. 144: This John Collins, quote" this probably refers to John Collins (3)", the one who m. Mandlene Trelhern in Bramford Suffolk. Am I reading this right ?. But it seems that this is the m. that Edward Collins of NE comes from ?. Right or wrong, we have to follow something. If [Daniel Collins (5) was evidently a merchant of substantial standing ....], then how come everyone around him is so poor ?. If this per chance, is his brother here in Vintrey Ward London, in [Divided Houses in the City of London], then I am compelled to ask the Q: Is Daniel Collins really a rich merchant of London ?. [I am only trying to put out a picture here that is all !!!]: Or is he the chap working for merchants for half days on half pay, two days a week ?. If he is the DC writing out all of the money for institutions, maybe he is a 'Clerk' ?. He is referred to as John Collins of Bramford + London, simply because he was m. in Bramford and worked in London. Which is probably all true. But he might be living in here in Vintrey Ward with John Stambrooke ?. This is what Pg. 144 is telling me, am I reading this right ?. Make note of a comment in this book of nobility. John Stambrooke is probably the a 'BARBER' ['Barber-Surgeons'], the cutting of the oldye hair (!!!). They were known as ['Barber-Surgeons']: "Mind me lug hole (ear) !!!". And so it came to pass that: === The Annals of the Barber-Surgeons of London: John Stambrooke. Roger Knowles. John Jackson.* Henry Rossington. Richd Hewett. Thos Gardiner. === * I clearly do not know, but I notice that name of John Jackson there, there being a John Jackson with Daniel Markham in MA together on the same day for their Oath, etc. These are the things one needs to look at. Go into to each one to see if there is anything in it. But John Collins (3) (Of Bramford), and ''his'' children seemingly born there, is here in Vintrey Ward London in 1637, being late in his life, sharing a (detached) house that looks like a tent with a barber. But, according to the pattern and feel, this might be the case. Also from the Records of this Vintrey Ward, St. Thomas the Apostle: === 1641: Elizabeth, d. of John & Elizabeth Stambrooke. 1644 Nov. 8 Sarah, d. of John & Elizabeth Stambrooke. 1645: A female stillborn of William & Elizabeth Stambrooke. ?1659 John Stambrooke, joyner, dec' 24. Thomas Stambrooke. 1634: John Collins & Ann Awdrye. 1647: John Thomson & Penelope Collins. 1582: May 20 Elizabeth, d. of William Collins. 1631: Nov. 14 Thomas, s. of John & Joane Collins. 1634: John, s. of John & Anne Collins. [* These might not be all the records there, but most of them!!!] === The Annals of the Barber-Surgeons of London: 1668 Thomas Canham. James Pearse. Will Fryer. Will Markham. 1669 John Knight, S.S. John Harvie. Will Markham. Tobias Sedgwick. 1670 James Farre. Tobias Sedgwick. Will Markham. Henry Barker. 1639 Thomas Davyes, K.B. Nicholas Heath. Thos Collins. Will Bignell. === [This is 10 Star Information]: Commissary Court of London: Will Abstracts Volume 26 (1629-1634): TAYLOR, Susan - London, widow (f356): bur near chldr Ralph & Sibyl in St Peter the Poor; son Thos Francknell; son Jms T; son in law Jn Taylor; dtr Eliz Ford, Susan Chibball & Dorothy Shaker; grandson Sam Ponndage; exec dtr Kath Francknell; wtns Dan Collins, Jn Buxton & Sibyl Collin.].: The Samuel Pordage relates to the family of the 'Mad Hatter of London'. [Names: Leete, Leede]. The Corey family is also in Earls Colne. [Earls Colne Manor Court Rolls (ERO D/DPr79); 2.10.19Chas1 (Monday 2 October 1643); document 38800189: item Edw Browne and Robt Carter were elected into the office of constable within this view who swore to execute well and faithfully the said office for one year following and into the office of tasters of bread and ale Hen Ames and Jas Markham.]: Frightfully, one Henry Ames right alongside one of the two Jas Markham's in Earls Colne (EC). Abraham Markham's children's baptismal records are also written with the child with the surname of Markham, rather than the parent (!!!). The [Mr. (Henery?) Linch of London is probably the brother of "poor sister Goodwife Markham" in Earls Colne ?.]. "Goodwife Markham" is probably the mother of Daniel Markham of EC ?. [Mrs. W. Harlakenden receives a botle of sacke from London from Mr. Linch, god using mee as an instrument to helpe them in theire poore sister Goodwife Markham.]. There is also this one John Collins that is there in or near or around Braintree and Earls Colne to look into further. He is there, and a Thomas Collins I think it was.... For whatever it is worth (IGI?): = MARTH COLLIN. Chr.: 18-09-1608. Tonbridge, Kent, England. Father: JN COLLIN. = MARTHA COLLINS. Chr.: 29-12-1611. East Lockinge, Berkshire, England. Father: JOHN COLLINS. = d:1773: Martha Collins, of Gillingham, Kent, aged 162; [xxx]: Martha Collins. b: Abt. 1609. Of London, England. Spouse: Edward Collins. [xxx]: Martha Collins. b: Abt. 1609. Of Roigsberg, Prussia. Spouse: Edward Collins. [I thought this was curious ?!?]. = [Henrie Linche, Chr. 01-01-1587, St. Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England]: One Henery Linck m:14-05-1635 one [Sibel Colenes] at [Saint Peter-Le-Poer, London, England]. She is more than likely the Sibill Collins who is mentioned in the Diary of Ralph Josselin of EC, coming to assist Goodwife Markham who is sick in 1649. She is now the wife of Henry Licnk/Linch being Sibill Linch visiting her husband's sister in EC (?). I might repeat myself, but here I am showing that the ''Poore Goodwife Markham'' in EC, might ''in essence'', be connecting to a poor Collens family too. This then also makes me Wonder, as to how one Edward Collins in NE would be able buy all that land in Medford in NE ?. Other: = SUSANA JUES Spouse: THOMAS COLLINS Marriage: 06 SEP 1658 Saint Peter-Le-Poer, London, England. = ROBART COLLINS Spouse: ALCE BONNET. Marriage: 15-01-1628 Saint Peter Le Poer, London, England. = This contingent of Collins in St. Peter Poor, I think must be noted. [Abigail Collins. She married 1st Samuel Bedle or Bedell, when she is described in the Visitation of London, 1633, as "daughter of Collins of Braintree, County Essex.]: She is of Braintree in Essex (!!!). There are several Collins in Braintree and Earls Colne, and they must be sorted out. They must be sought further.... But SHE is of Braintree in Essex (!!!). In other words, the start of greater Truth, let us follow the missing links. Some of the people in this arena of search, went out of England, and even returned there. They might have even been born outside of the UK, and returned. Which some did. Keep in mind too, that when we can't find the record we are looking for, it might well be in front of us, and we need to understand what we are looking at .... .... .... Can anyone in this whole wide world, find a m. for one Jas/James Markham (of similar spelling) m. to one say Martha Linck/Linch, etc. ?. My overall feeling, is that this whole entire area of research, requires a serious splitting of hairs, and that there is a huge, ginormous set of parallels of people of the same names, and even places, almost a complete over-shadow of people, places, and events. We need the primary record, and take it from there.... .... .... I reckon .... .... .... I think what I am trying to ascertain here too: Is this Daniel Collins a 'rich' merchant, and also sit down and find out about each and every single person mentioned in this will. The Samuel? Collins was it, Vicar of Braintree Essex, with a steel barricaded tomb/grave, approving the pouring of molten metal down people's throats if caught for 'making money' was it?. See Wiki anyway on him. - S.K.M. - [!!!] ====================

Yo Fawn !!! Is this right?: Zachariah Collingsworth, b:27-02-1782 NC, Census 1840: Pike, Alabama. Notes : 1812 War of 1812 Census: 1840 Pike AL Census: 1850 Pike AL Census: 1860 Pike AL === Name: Z. Collingsworth. Residence: 1850 - Pike, AL. County: Pike, AL. Census Year: 1850 [1850 United States Federal Census]. *** This is your line !!!. He is born COLLINGSWORTH !!!. === Name: Zachariah Collins. Birth: Abt. 1777. Residence: 1850 - Union, North Carolina. [This might be the person you are getting confused with !!!]. *** This person is aged 73 years in 1850. He is born in NC, and he is ''Home'' in Union NC in 1850. Your ancestor is Zachariah Collingsworth who is born 1782, I think also in NC. He is not Zachariah Collins b:1777. Irrespective, in this case so far, of what was written on the m. certificate, he is Zachariah Collingsworth or Collinsworth. === [Collinsworth, 1782 1880, NC>GA>AL, Zachariah Collingsworth to Martha Jane, Coffee Co. AL.]: Who is this one ?. [Whitson Collinsworth, born around 1829 possibly in AL. or Miss. Native American (Choctow). Moved to FL. maybe 1850. Jackson county area.]: Your line would have to be Native American then ?. I suspect your line would not be coming from England then.... === Whitson Collinsworth, Co A 39th Alabama Infantry, Rebekah Basford Rogers. Census: 1850 Pike AL. Census: 1860 Covington AL. ==================== Are you sure you have the right [Whitson Collinsworth] ?. There seem to be two of them, they both m. a Martha. Here is a problem I see in your tree: Q1: When is your [Whitson Collingsworth] born ? (1829?). Q2: Problem: If your [Whitson Collingsworth] is b:1829 or so, and his father as you have it, [Zachariah Collingsworth] who m:1802 to [Wealthy Beaman], then you have a huuuuuuuuuuge gap from m:1802 to the birth date of [Whitson Collingsworth]. Or correct my dates and info here.... That's say 27 years after they were m. !!!. It means [Zachariah Collingsworth] would be 47 years old when his son is born. I will need to hear from you .... .... .... Q3: I suspect you are climbing into the wrong tree. This is why you have stopped right there with these parents of [Whitson Collingsworth]. You have a set of parallels here. Q4: Lastly: Precisely, what is the true original spelling for your [John Wesley Collinsworth]. It may be well the case, that one must truly go carefully between Collinsworth and Collingsworth [g]. Other trees can be wrong.... - S.K.M. - --------------------------------------------------------- > I would be looking into this side of the tree from VA?. > === > Alabama State Census, 1820-1866: Census & Voter Lists: > === > Name: Z. Collingsworth. > Residence: 1850 - Pike, Alabama. > County: Pike, Alabama. > Census Year: 1850 [1850 United States Federal Census]. > === > Name: Zachariah Collins. > Birth: Abt. 1777. > Residence: 1850 - Union, North Carolina. > === > Super Ken says: In 1850, where was your ZC, in Pike Alabama or Union NC ?. > There seems to be two persons parallel to each other here. I would not > force > the surname change just yet. > =====================

Yo Fawn !!! http://www.genealogywise.com/group/collinsworth/forum/topics/john-collinsworth-from-va-to I would be looking into this side of the tree from VA?. === Alabama State Census, 1820-1866: Census & Voter Lists: === Name: Z. Collingsworth. Residence: 1850 - Pike, Alabama. County: Pike, Alabama. Census Year: 1850 [1850 United States Federal Census]. === Name: Zachariah Collins. Birth: Abt. 1777. Residence: 1850 - Union, North Carolina. === Super Ken says: In 1850, where was your ZC, in Pike Alabama or Union NC ?. There seems to be two persons parallel to each other here. I would not force the surname change just yet. - SKM - =====================

[After this marriage he changed the last name of Collins to Collinsworth]: Precisely what name was written on the marriage record ?. S.K.M. ============================================================= No this is not the family. My Zachariah Collins <right name> married Oct 1802 to Welthy Beaman in North Carolina. After this marriage he changed the last name of Collins to Collinsworth. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! Yo Fawn !!! How do you know Collinsworth changed from Collins, was Collins just written as an abbreviation for Collingsworth ?. I would be reading him as 'Zachariah Collingsworth of North Carolina' ?. You are probably looking now under the wrong surname !!!. ======================================================

Replying below in red. fawn ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Simon To: RW COLLINS Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: [COLLINS] [Whitson Collingsworth] Yo Fawn !!! Is this right?: Zachariah Collingsworth, b:27-02-1782 NC, Census 1840: Pike, Alabama. Notes : 1812 War of 1812 Census: 1840 Pike AL Census: 1850 Pike AL Census: 1860 Pike AL === Name: Z. Collingsworth. Residence: 1850 - Pike, AL. County: Pike, AL. Census Year: 1850 [1850 United States Federal Census]. *** This is your line !!!. He is born COLLINGSWORTH !!!. There has never been ANY of my family spelled Collinsworth this way. I know some from England has done so but none of my family. === Name: Zachariah Collins. Birth: Abt. 1777. Residence: 1850 - Union, North Carolina. [This might be the person you are getting confused with !!!]. *** This person is aged 73 years in 1850. He is born in NC, and he is ''Home'' in Union NC in 1850. Your ancestor is Zachariah Collingsworth who is born 1782, I think also in NC. He is not Zachariah Collins b:1777. Irrespective, in this case so far, of what was written on the m. certificate, he is Zachariah Collingsworth or Collinsworth. === [Collinsworth, 1782 1880, NC>GA>AL, Zachariah Collingsworth to Martha Jane, Coffee Co. AL.]: Who is this one ?. I have no idea who this one is..remember Welthy Beaman... [Whitson Collinsworth, born around 1829 possibly in AL. or Miss. Native American (Choctow). Moved to FL. maybe 1850. Jackson county area.]: Your line would have to be Native American then ?. I suspect your line would not be coming from England then.... Where did you find this information? My Whitson is supposed to Native American..He is married to a Martha some say Martin ...some say Monroe. I think it is Martha Martin. I found her once and thought it was not her and now I am no where near the book I found her in. == Whitson Collinsworth, Co A 39th Alabama Infantry, Rebekah Basford Rogers. Census: 1850 Pike AL. Census: 1860 Covington AL. ==================== Are you sure you have the right [Whitson Collinsworth] ?. There seem to be two of them, they both m. a Martha. Here is a problem I see in your tree: Q1: When is your [Whitson Collingsworth] born ? (1829?). I have understood he was born 1829... Q2: Problem: If your [Whitson Collingsworth] is b:1829 or so, and his father as you have it, [Zachariah Collingsworth] who m:1802 to [Wealthy Beaman], then you have a huuuuuuuuuuge gap from m:1802 to the birth date of [Whitson Collingsworth]. Or correct my dates and info here.... That's say 27 years after they were m. !!!. It means [Zachariah Collingsworth] would be 47 years old when his son is born. I will need to hear from you .... .... ....47 is not to old for some men or women to have children. Q3: I suspect you are climbing into the wrong tree. This is why you have stopped right there with these parents of [Whitson Collingsworth]. You have a set of parallels here. Q4: Lastly: Precisely, what is the true original spelling for your [John Wesley Collinsworth]. It may be well the case, that one must truly go carefully between Collinsworth and Collingsworth [g]. Other trees can be wrong.... Never have I seen the name spelled with the (g) ..until I had been searching for years. Grandpa John had T. B. and was buried at the state hospital because it was the only hospital in the area at the time that could handle his care. He is also supposed to be buried there. I have his picture that a cousin sent to me that I am restoring..someone had tried to tape it and make it last longer but they really made a mess. I have searched for this family now for about 50 years.. In <<<<taking>>>> names Native Americans sometimes went to the grave yard to chose a name or took the name of someone that they admired..or sometimes soldiers <<<<gave>>> them the names. In the 1820s and 1830s there were many conflicts and the NA also walked "The Trail" which was actually more than one "trail" Much confusion and killings were going on at that time. fawn - S.K.M. - --------------------------------------------------------- > I would be looking into this side of the tree from VA?. > === > Alabama State Census, 1820-1866: Census & Voter Lists: > === > Name: Z. Collingsworth. > Residence: 1850 - Pike, Alabama. > County: Pike, Alabama. > Census Year: 1850 [1850 United States Federal Census]. > === > Name: Zachariah Collins. > Birth: Abt. 1777. > Residence: 1850 - Union, North Carolina. > === > Super Ken says: In 1850, where was your ZC, in Pike Alabama or Union NC ?. > There seems to be two persons parallel to each other here. I would not > force > the surname change just yet. > ===================== BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yo Fawn !!! How do you know Collinsworth changed from Collins, was Collins just written as an abbreviation for Collingsworth ?. I would be reading him as 'Zachariah Collingsworth of North Carolina' ?. You are probably looking now under the wrong surname !!!. Mississippi Marriages to 1825: Birth, Marriage & Death: Spouse 1: Collingsworth, Narcissa L. Spouse 2: Waddell, Zachariah ==================================== Is this what you were looking for ??? !!! ???. Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95) .... =============================== From: <lupielu3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! =============================== .... the Collins family that is in the North Carolina area that went and changed the name from Collins to Collinsworth. I found a marriage record to prove the name change. have only gotten as far back as Zachariah Collins and his wife Welthy Beaman. His son Whitson and his wife Martha Martin and then there son John Collinsworth d> s wife Amanda Cook and then their daughter Abby(Abscilla) Collinsworth and her husband Charles Wilburn Gainey who are my gGrandparents. ===============================

I believe that the Z Collinsworth is possibly my Zach but I have found him with his WIFE WELTHY BEAMAN... There can not be 2 different men named Zachariah married to WELTHY BEAMAN>>>> The link you sent is not my family. One thing My John lived in the Florida panhandle>>>>He married Amanda COOK.. The wifes are keys in knowing you have the right person. Thank you for your help. fawn ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Simon To: RW COLLINS Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 2:59 PM Subject: [COLLINS] Edmund 1700 Va died Feb 1752 Richmond, VA Yo Fawn !!! http://www.genealogywise.com/group/collinsworth/forum/topics/john-collinsworth-from-va-to I would be looking into this side of the tree from VA?. === Alabama State Census, 1820-1866: Census & Voter Lists: === Name: Z. Collingsworth. Residence: 1850 - Pike, Alabama. County: Pike, Alabama. Census Year: 1850 [1850 United States Federal Census]. === Name: Zachariah Collins. Birth: Abt. 1777. Residence: 1850 - Union, North Carolina. === Super Ken says: In 1850, where was your ZC, in Pike Alabama or Union NC ?. There seems to be two persons parallel to each other here. I would not force the surname change just yet. - SKM - ===================== BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just like I wrote it below. Zachariah Collins married to Welthy Beaman October 8, 1802 Johnston County, North Carolina. Later on there were census records with them listed as Zachariah Collinsworth and Welthy Beaman same places of birth. fawn ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Simon To: RW COLLINS Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! [After this marriage he changed the last name of Collins to Collinsworth]: Precisely what name was written on the marriage record ?. S.K.M. ============================================================= No this is not the family. My Zachariah Collins <right name> married Oct 1802 to Welthy Beaman in North Carolina. After this marriage he changed the last name of Collins to Collinsworth. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! Yo Fawn !!! How do you know Collinsworth changed from Collins, was Collins just written as an abbreviation for Collingsworth ?. I would be reading him as 'Zachariah Collingsworth of North Carolina' ?. You are probably looking now under the wrong surname !!!. ====================================================== BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No this is not the family. My Zachariah Collins <right name> married Oct 1802 to Welthy Beaman in North Carolina. After this marriage he changed the last name of Collins to Collinsworth. His name was not Waddell. Narcissa might be part of the family. I don't know I will have to look into it. fawn ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Simon To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! Yo Fawn !!! How do you know Collinsworth changed from Collins, was Collins just written as an abbreviation for Collingsworth ?. I would be reading him as 'Zachariah Collingsworth of North Carolina' ?. You are probably looking now under the wrong surname !!!. Mississippi Marriages to 1825: Birth, Marriage & Death: Spouse 1: Collingsworth, Narcissa L. Spouse 2: Waddell, Zachariah ==================================== Is this what you were looking for ??? !!! ???. Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95) .... =============================== From: <lupielu3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! =============================== .... the Collins family that is in the North Carolina area that went and changed the name from Collins to Collinsworth. I found a marriage record to prove the name change. have only gotten as far back as Zachariah Collins and his wife Welthy Beaman. His son Whitson and his wife Martha Martin and then there son John Collinsworth d> s wife Amanda Cook and then their daughter Abby(Abscilla) Collinsworth and her husband Charles Wilburn Gainey who are my gGrandparents. =============================== BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know giving up is not the thing to do..I would not have found the marriage record if I had given up..I have been looking now for over 50 years..I also have another family that has a name change also..it does get hard..but you have to be hard headed and keep looking. fawn ----- Original Message ----- From: lupielu3@aol.com To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! My sister & I have been doing research since 1977. It took us 27 years to crack the wall with my grandfather. Don't ever give up. -----Original Message----- From: Fawn <wind@wildblue.net> To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:57 am Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! For many years I have not been able to find more information..but I know the joy felt when I found my Grandpa Zach and my Grandma Welthy's marriage record.. hat proved what my Grandmother had told me about the name change.. ure joy.. wish you luck in your research.. awn ---- Original Message ----- rom: lupielu3@aol.com o: collins@rootsweb.com ent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:21 PM ubject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! I am not related to this line of the Collins family but I just wanted to make he comment that my line does not come from an English ancestor either. It has ade for a very interesting and wonderful journey through genealogy. Countless ours spent, some to no avail but when you do find information it is worth more han gold and you realize the treasure you have found. ----Original Message----- rom: Fawn <wind@wildblue.net> o: Bart Simon <thewanderer@iburst.co.za>; collins@rootsweb.com ent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34 am ubject: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!!] r. Markham am researching the Collins family that is in the North Carolina area that went uth and changed the name from Collins to Collinsworth. I found a marriage cord to prove the name change. have only gotten as far back as Zachariah Collins and his wife Welthy Beaman. s son Whitson and his wife Martha Martin and then there son John Collinsworth d s wife Amanda Cook and then their daughter Abby(Abscilla) Collinsworth and her sband Charles Wilburn Gainey who are my gGrandparents. don't think my family of Collins came from England. e Collins family is hard to find.. leeping Fawn 'do'aal Tl' n' na' Izdz'n -da' Mi'sun ---- Original Message ----- om: Bart Simon : RW COLLINS nt: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:39 PM bject: [COLLINS] Collins Research Request [!!!] ello, do not know who the List Owner is. I request permission to follow own line of interest and research on this list ?. I have a passing terest in a specific Collins line, which seems to be hampering the rkham research, due to unknowns and inaccuracies. I need to ow as much as I can at the top of this tree. I need to know who rtha Collins of Earls Colne Essex parents are, or are not. I am sically not related to either your Collins or this Markham line. study tops of trees. I am trying to solve an everlasting problem in Markham tree. ours Sincerely, ir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95). ======================================== SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My sister & I have been doing research since 1977. It took us 27 years to crack the wall with my grandfather. Don't ever give up. -----Original Message----- From: Fawn <wind@wildblue.net> To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:57 am Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! For many years I have not been able to find more information..but I know the joy felt when I found my Grandpa Zach and my Grandma Welthy's marriage record.. hat proved what my Grandmother had told me about the name change.. ure joy.. wish you luck in your research.. awn ---- Original Message ----- rom: lupielu3@aol.com o: collins@rootsweb.com ent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:21 PM ubject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! I am not related to this line of the Collins family but I just wanted to make he comment that my line does not come from an English ancestor either. It has ade for a very interesting and wonderful journey through genealogy. Countless ours spent, some to no avail but when you do find information it is worth more han gold and you realize the treasure you have found. ----Original Message----- rom: Fawn <wind@wildblue.net> o: Bart Simon <thewanderer@iburst.co.za>; collins@rootsweb.com ent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34 am ubject: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!!] r. Markham am researching the Collins family that is in the North Carolina area that went uth and changed the name from Collins to Collinsworth. I found a marriage cord to prove the name change. have only gotten as far back as Zachariah Collins and his wife Welthy Beaman. s son Whitson and his wife Martha Martin and then there son John Collinsworth d s wife Amanda Cook and then their daughter Abby(Abscilla) Collinsworth and her sband Charles Wilburn Gainey who are my gGrandparents. don't think my family of Collins came from England. e Collins family is hard to find.. leeping Fawn 'do'aal Tl' n' na' Izdz'n -da' Mi'sun ---- Original Message ----- om: Bart Simon : RW COLLINS nt: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:39 PM bject: [COLLINS] Collins Research Request [!!!] ello, do not know who the List Owner is. I request permission to follow own line of interest and research on this list ?. I have a passing terest in a specific Collins line, which seems to be hampering the rkham research, due to unknowns and inaccuracies. I need to ow as much as I can at the top of this tree. I need to know who rtha Collins of Earls Colne Essex parents are, or are not. I am sically not related to either your Collins or this Markham line. study tops of trees. I am trying to solve an everlasting problem in Markham tree. ours Sincerely, ir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95). ======================================== SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

For many years I have not been able to find more information..but I know the joy I felt when I found my Grandpa Zach and my Grandma Welthy's marriage record.. that proved what my Grandmother had told me about the name change.. pure joy.. I wish you luck in your research.. fawn ----- Original Message ----- From: lupielu3@aol.com To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!! I am not related to this line of the Collins family but I just wanted to make the comment that my line does not come from an English ancestor either. It has made for a very interesting and wonderful journey through genealogy. Countless hours spent, some to no avail but when you do find information it is worth more than gold and you realize the treasure you have found. -----Original Message----- From: Fawn <wind@wildblue.net> To: Bart Simon <thewanderer@iburst.co.za>; collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34 am Subject: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!!] Mr. Markham am researching the Collins family that is in the North Carolina area that went outh and changed the name from Collins to Collinsworth. I found a marriage ecord to prove the name change. have only gotten as far back as Zachariah Collins and his wife Welthy Beaman. is son Whitson and his wife Martha Martin and then there son John Collinsworth nd is wife Amanda Cook and then their daughter Abby(Abscilla) Collinsworth and her usband Charles Wilburn Gainey who are my gGrandparents. don't think my family of Collins came from England. he Collins family is hard to find.. Sleeping Fawn a'do'aal Tl' n' na' Izdz'n o-da' Mi'sun ----- Original Message ----- rom: Bart Simon o: RW COLLINS ent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:39 PM ubject: [COLLINS] Collins Research Request [!!!] ello, I do not know who the List Owner is. I request permission to follow y own line of interest and research on this list ?. I have a passing nterest in a specific Collins line, which seems to be hampering the arkham research, due to unknowns and inaccuracies. I need to now as much as I can at the top of this tree. I need to know who artha Collins of Earls Colne Essex parents are, or are not. I am asically not related to either your Collins or this Markham line. study tops of trees. I am trying to solve an everlasting problem in Markham tree. Yours Sincerely, Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95). ========================================= E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not related to this line of the Collins family but I just wanted to make the comment that my line does not come from an English ancestor either. It has made for a very interesting and wonderful journey through genealogy. Countless hours spent, some to no avail but when you do find information it is worth more than gold and you realize the treasure you have found. -----Original Message----- From: Fawn <wind@wildblue.net> To: Bart Simon <thewanderer@iburst.co.za>; collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34 am Subject: [COLLINS] Mr. Markham>>> Collins Research Request [!!!] Mr. Markham am researching the Collins family that is in the North Carolina area that went outh and changed the name from Collins to Collinsworth. I found a marriage ecord to prove the name change. have only gotten as far back as Zachariah Collins and his wife Welthy Beaman. is son Whitson and his wife Martha Martin and then there son John Collinsworth nd is wife Amanda Cook and then their daughter Abby(Abscilla) Collinsworth and her usband Charles Wilburn Gainey who are my gGrandparents. don't think my family of Collins came from England. he Collins family is hard to find.. Sleeping Fawn a'do'aal Tl' n' na' Izdz'n o-da' Mi'sun ----- Original Message ----- rom: Bart Simon o: RW COLLINS ent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:39 PM ubject: [COLLINS] Collins Research Request [!!!] ello, I do not know who the List Owner is. I request permission to follow y own line of interest and research on this list ?. I have a passing nterest in a specific Collins line, which seems to be hampering the arkham research, due to unknowns and inaccuracies. I need to now as much as I can at the top of this tree. I need to know who artha Collins of Earls Colne Essex parents are, or are not. I am asically not related to either your Collins or this Markham line. study tops of trees. I am trying to solve an everlasting problem in Markham tree. Yours Sincerely, Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95). ========================================= E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Mr. Markham I am researching the Collins family that is in the North Carolina area that went South and changed the name from Collins to Collinsworth. I found a marriage record to prove the name change. I have only gotten as far back as Zachariah Collins and his wife Welthy Beaman. His son Whitson and his wife Martha Martin and then there son John Collinsworth and his wife Amanda Cook and then their daughter Abby(Abscilla) Collinsworth and her husband Charles Wilburn Gainey who are my gGrandparents. I don't think my family of Collins came from England. The Collins family is hard to find.. Sleeping Fawn Ha'do'aal Tl' n' na' Izdz'n Ko-da' Mi'sun ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Simon To: RW COLLINS Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:39 PM Subject: [COLLINS] Collins Research Request [!!!] Hello, I do not know who the List Owner is. I request permission to follow my own line of interest and research on this list ?. I have a passing interest in a specific Collins line, which seems to be hampering the Markham research, due to unknowns and inaccuracies. I need to know as much as I can at the top of this tree. I need to know who Martha Collins of Earls Colne Essex parents are, or are not. I am basically not related to either your Collins or this Markham line. I study tops of trees. I am trying to solve an everlasting problem in a Markham tree. Yours Sincerely, Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95). ========================================== BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mye Goodye Cosyens !!! = http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/FH32&CISOPTR=22977&REC=20 = Go to : 12 Genealogical Record of the Collins Family in England, then 143. = There is no indication as to why the base genealogical chart shown above should have been headed "Pedigree of Dr. Collins." There were many "doctors in phisick" and "barber chirurgeons" in other branches of the Collins family in the southwestern part of England, and one very well known doctor was Samuel Collins (10) who was one of the executors of Daniel's will and was the eldest son of Samuel Collins (4), Vicar of Braintree, Essex County. Samuel Collins (10) was admitted to Corpus Christi College, Cambridge, in 1635, graduated M.D. from the famous Medical School at Padua University in Italy in 1651, and from 1660 to 1669 was the principal physician to Czar Alexis of Russia, father of Peter the Great. He was author of the book, " The Present State of Russia," published in London in 1671. The Dictionary of National Biography lists a Dr. John Collins of Cambridge, who was buried there and who is probably related to the Collins family of Bramford. He has been identified as Dr. John Collins who married Judith Saxon (or Easton) of Surrey, and is listed in Citizens of London, collected by Percival Boyd. The will of Daniel Collins (5) gives definite proof that his father, John Collins (1), was buried in Bramford, County Suffolk, and that his mother, Abigail, was buried in Braintree, County Essex. This agrees with the statements in the "Pedigree of Dr. Collins." John Collins (1) was buried September 14, 1594, and that he had died is confirmed by "Deeds and Records Belonging to Sir Percy Loraine of Bramford Hall, lodged at County Records Office, Ipswich." One, dated October 1, 1596, gives a "grant of enfeoffment to John and Daniel Collens, sons of late John Collens of Bramford, sailcloth maker, of two acres areable in Bramford, occupied by Abigal Collens, widow." Another deed, dated May, 1598, reads: "Deed poll of covenant with Abigail, John and Daniel Collens by William Borlas Esq. of Medmenham, Bucks, to protect them heirs and property in Bramford -2 acres {occupied by Abigail Collens, widow) for 40 years to use of John Carter, clerk, then.... = Tell me if I am right or wrong here: Did you get that?: [John Collins (1) was buried September 14, 1594], and: [One, dated October 1, 1596, gives a "grant of enfeoffment to John and Daniel Collens, sons of late John Collens of Bramford, sailcloth maker, of two acres areable in Bramford, occupied by Abigal Collens, widow."]. It means that by say 1594, this John Collins who m. Abigal Collins, is DEAD !!!. It means that it is now impossible for Martha Collins, if she is born after 1600, to be a dg of his !!!. And the m:29-05-1599 to [Maudlen Treitherne] is not possible ?. Now, since John Collins + Abigal Collins children were born say about 1580-83 or so, and that John Collins wife was still Abigal Collins to when he died, then the m. of John Collins to [Grace Wagger of Bramford Suffolk], then can't be his either ?. So it seems to me, and maybe me only, that John Collins only m. once !!. You have more than one John Collins here ?. [Another deed, dated May, 1598, reads: "Deed poll of covenant with Abigail, John and Daniel Collens by William Borlas Esq. of Medmenham, Bucks, to protect them heirs and property in Bramford]: Now in 1598, widow Abigail Collins, is mentioned with one (other) John Collins and Daniel Collins. I suspect he must have a son also named John Collins ?. I suspect this younger John Collins might be the 'Salter of London'. Father?: [John Collens of Bramford, sailcloth maker]. [John and Daniel Collens, sons of late John Collens of Bramford, sailcloth maker]. === .... to use of John and Daniel Collens." As John Collins (1) died in 1594 and his widow was still living at that time, it has definitely been assumed that John, the eldest son, was the John Collins who married Grace Wagger in Bramford in 1590 and Mandlene Trelhern in 1599. Three of the children baptized, namely, Mandlene, Edward and Phebe, are unquestionably children of the latter marriage. Edward grew up to become Deacon Edward Collins of Cambridge, Mass. Daniel Collins (5) was evidently a merchant of substantial standing and was interested in promoting many institutions in London. He makes bequests in his will to the Children's Hospital of Norwich, "if they have taken nothing in my life," "for the breeding and bringing up of young children," to Christ Hospital in London, to St. Bartholomew's Hospital of London and to the Hospital of Bridewell. He also makes bequests to prisons in London, Compford, Ludgate and Newgate, and to the poor of many parishes, including the poor in the parish of Bramford where he was born and his father was buried, and to the poor of the parish of Braintree where his mother was buried. From Returns of Divided Houses in the City of London 1637, in Vintry Ward, St. Thomas the Apostle, an entry lists "one house divided into 2 tents inhabited by John Slambrooke & his family, John Collins & his family." This possibly refers to John Collins (3), the eldest son, and may be the reason that the Collins family is shown as of Bramford and London. === I have already changed my tree for John Collins the son. I need some time to go through this book. So far, I tend to agree with the view of the author of this book. He aslo notes that 'Brampton' is wrong, and should read 'Bramford' in Suffolk. He also sees the Thomas Collins coming in to be the father of one John Collins, which is correct. This John Collins has a son also named John Collins. I do not know at all whether this son John Collins is the son of Abigail Rose from that marriage, but the father is the same person. You will notice problems with time line (TL) still in this tree in places. The tree must fit the original texts. For Collins tree, a wealthy rich family, but some serious elements of brutal measures for some. I suggest for a tree like this, one should place all the persons, but in certain cases, leave out the attachment of occupation, etc., it can be too confusing in early stages to know exactly which JC did what. It seems that the second JC m. twice, at least, or better than it was. Yes, there does seem to be problem is the [Abigail (Collins) Bedle] area too. There will be people of the same name elsewhere. Following wrong trees leads to wrong places and things that never existed in real life. And Remember, Wherever you are, there you are, never give up, and always finish your Jungle Oats !!!. - S.K.M. - [!!!] ========================

Hello, I do not know who the List Owner is. I request permission to follow my own line of interest and research on this list ?. I have a passing interest in a specific Collins line, which seems to be hampering the Markham research, due to unknowns and inaccuracies. I need to know as much as I can at the top of this tree. I need to know who Martha Collins of Earls Colne Essex parents are, or are not. I am basically not related to either your Collins or this Markham line. I study tops of trees. I am trying to solve an everlasting problem in a Markham tree. Yours Sincerely, Sir Ken Markham, K.C.B. (95). ==========================================

That is a mistake. You have to watch that Ancestry.com tree because some information gets combined with others. Moses was either the son of George Keen or John Keen. I suspect it is George and John was his son too.Todd -----Original Message----- From: Mary Tuttle <mmtuttle@decaturwb.com> To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:07 am Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Willoughby King (Keene?) Collins Todd, noted that Moses Keen (whose daughter, Sarah, married Jesse Collins) was orn in Ireland, Bertie County, NC....I realize that there are times when ames of cities (Paris, London, etc.) and even countries can be used/ have een used to name places within states, IS there an Ireland in Bertie ounty, NC??? ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Todd Beckham" <tbeckham77t@aol.com> o: <collins@rootsweb.com> ent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:38 PM ubject: Re: [COLLINS] Willoughby King (Keene?) Collins Mary, I am so glad to have seen your message. I got info from somewhere a while back that Jesse Collins and Sarah Keen Collins had a son named WIlloughby but have never been able to find info on him. His middle name would be Keen as all of his siblings had that middle name: Enoch Keen Collins. Jason Keen Collins, William Keen Collins, David Keen Collins, Nancy Keen Collins. Willoughby was the name of Jesse's brother who died in 1799. They were children of Joseph Collins of Bertie CO NC. Todd -----Original Message----- From: Mary Tuttle <mmtuttle@decaturwb.com> To: collins@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:17 am Subject: [COLLINS] Willoughby King (Keene?) Collins Looking for information on the family of Willoughby King (Keene?) Collins (born 5 July 1809 in Georgia-died 1 March 1858 in Henry County, Alabama). Willoughby married Nancy Ann Peters (1820-1914) seeking parents for Willoughby and Nancy) Their children were: ndrew Jackson Collins eorgia Virginia Collins acquline Elizabeth Collins essie Williams Collins ancy Ann Collins arah Jane Collins illoughby Jason Collins homas Ellis Collins (1856-1925) Thomas was born 7 February 1856 in Georgia and died 26 May 1925 in Vernon, ashington County, Florida. He was married to Mary Matilda Monk (1854-1909) Their children were: Charles Thomas Collins ndrew Augustus Collins (1879-1965) married Nuna Roberts (1885-1919) ancy Jane Collins (1886-?) essy W Collins (1889-?) ary Ann Collins (1891-?) esley Ellis Collins. (1895-?) E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Mye Goodye Cosynes: I am taking liberty to forward a post from our Markham list. There is also the Collins book for you online. I am looking at pg. 143 at the moment. - S.K.M. - (RSA). =============================================================== A source that I have not seen mentioned here is Clarence Lyman Collens' 1959 COLLINS MEMORIAL: _http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/FH32&CISOPTR=22977&REC=20_ (http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/FH32&CISOPTR=22977&REC=20) See Chapter 12 Genealogical Record of the Collins Family in England. The author had research done by a Fellow of the Society of Genealogists in London, which includes some new information and some interesting deeds. See pages 147 and 148 for a few new vital records from parish records of Bramford, including two more children of John COLLINS / Maudlen TREITHERN, namely: -- Burials 1601/2 Child of John Collines died unbaptised 21st March. 1627/8 Marie Collins da. of Jo. C. March 12th. Martha Collins is still not listed, but I am clinging to the notion that she belongs in this family, especially when I see the difficulty deciphering the original records of Bramford. -- Her [prob.] sister, Phebe married Jn Russell in Earls Colne. -- Martha md Jas Markham in Earls Colne, and has a dau. named Phebe. -- In his 1939 will, Daniel Collins often calls the spouses of his nieces "Cousin," i.e., "To Cosen Mickell Powell his wife ... To Cosen Bowles his wife ... To the wife of John Russell ... To the wife of Cosen Markham." There are also some additions on the Descendency Chart on p. 151, including: Elizabeth, dau. of John and Abigail (Rose) Collins, who md. Abraham White in Sept 1586. The author apparently hadn't seen Holman's 1946 corrections [TAG, v.23:151] to her 1935 NEHGR article. He has Rev. William Thompson as the 2nd husb. of Abigail (Collins) Bedle, whereas Holman says that Abigail (Collins) Bedle was bur. on 19 Mar 1608, making Rev. Thompson the prob. husb. of Abigail, dau. of John and Grace (Wagger) Collins. And yet, in his will, Daniel Collins call her "my sister Thompson." -- Has anyone verified that Abigail (Collins) Bedle died in 1608? ------------------- Re the Records of an English Village (Earls Colne) _http://linux02.lib.cam.ac.uk/earlscolne/_ (http://linux02.lib.cam.ac.uk/earlscolne/) , I keep trying to find a connection of the various Collins to Martha and James with no luck. Dale ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARKHAM-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Todd, I noted that Moses Keen (whose daughter, Sarah, married Jesse Collins) was born in Ireland, Bertie County, NC....I realize that there are times when names of cities (Paris, London, etc.) and even countries can be used/ have been used to name places within states, IS there an Ireland in Bertie County, NC??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Beckham" <tbeckham77t@aol.com> To: <collins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [COLLINS] Willoughby King (Keene?) Collins > > Mary, > I am so glad to have seen your message. I got info from somewhere a while > back that Jesse Collins and Sarah Keen Collins had a son named WIlloughby > but have never been able to find info on him. His middle name would be > Keen as all of his siblings had that middle name: Enoch Keen Collins. > Jason Keen Collins, William Keen Collins, David Keen Collins, Nancy Keen > Collins. Willoughby was the name of Jesse's brother who died in 1799. They > were children of Joseph Collins of Bertie CO NC. > Todd > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Tuttle <mmtuttle@decaturwb.com> > To: collins@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:17 am > Subject: [COLLINS] Willoughby King (Keene?) Collins > > > Looking for information on the family of Willoughby King (Keene?) Collins > (born > 5 July 1809 in Georgia-died 1 March 1858 in Henry County, Alabama). > Willoughby married Nancy Ann Peters (1820-1914) > seeking parents for Willoughby and Nancy) > Their children were: > ndrew Jackson Collins > eorgia Virginia Collins > acquline Elizabeth Collins > essie Williams Collins > ancy Ann Collins > arah Jane Collins > illoughby Jason Collins > homas Ellis Collins (1856-1925) > Thomas was born 7 February 1856 in Georgia and died 26 May 1925 in Vernon, > ashington County, Florida. > He was married to Mary Matilda Monk (1854-1909) > Their children were: > Charles Thomas Collins > ndrew Augustus Collins (1879-1965) married Nuna Roberts (1885-1919) > ancy Jane Collins (1886-?) > essy W Collins (1889-?) > ary Ann Collins (1891-?) > esley Ellis Collins. (1895-?) > E SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > BE SURE YOU CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COLLINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message