You are so right Virginia, thank you for reminding us. I have a request out for the baptismal records so we'll see what we turn up. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Sanchez" <Virginia.Sanchez@comcast.net> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: RE: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record Hello, you may need to look at the surnames of the grandparents. During the early days, many Hispanic families took on the surnames of a special grandparent. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Karen Mitchell [mailto:km1109@aculink.net] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:40 AM To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record Oh Frank, you made my day! (giggle) I have very visual perception and this just made me laugh. But keep those pants handy, we still need to check that film. In a case like this I still worry about transcriber error, as it can happen so easy. If it is indeed Sanches, then we need to investigate further and see if we can figure out why he changed his name after his marriage. I am thinking it is because he found out who his real Father was. This happened in the case of the Castro's and it took me years to figure out what had happened. In another case, years ago I was doing research for Dee, who is now on our List, and we couldn't follow one line, it had me stumped. Finally I came across a record that said this person was known as............ before. So you see, it is not unusual for someone to change their name for any given reason. Many women gave birth to "natural" children, just as they do today, and when the child grew up they were told who their Father was so they changed to that name. I think they did it just to stump us researchers LOL! Can you imagine them sitting up there on their cloud having a good chuckle at us scratching our heads and wondering? LOL Thank you so very much for the kind words and the praise you give me and the other researchers that jumped in to help. We have so many wonderful friends in this environment, and I give thanks for every one of them. Have a great day! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "F WILKINS" <fwilkin1@msn.com> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record I cant' believe this ..I'm trying to figure out what LDS ...means ....where the closest Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is and where records might be, and before I have my pants on..... Karen has the answers.... One heck of an organization....Karen...Thank you all!! Toni and Ida!! I am so indebted to you and very proud to be a part of it. Thanks Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record I put out a request for someone to look up the marriage record and both Toni and Ida answered with the following information: "Pg 152, Nuestra Senora de los Dolores- Arroyo Hondo: Sanches - Trujillo 1-18-1855 J. Rufino s/o Maria Juana Sanches and Maria Leonor d/o Antonio Trujillo and Maria Jacques (dec) originally from Abiquiu. Rio Colorado" It would appear to me that Rufino's father was either deceased at the time of his marriage OR that he was the "natural" son of Juana Sanches and later changed his name to Wilkins, maybe finding out who his real Father was, OR as I stated before, it's a transcriber error. We will continue to investigate this. Nonetheless, this gives us another generation back on Leonore and we should be able to follow that. If anyone can add to this please feel free to do so. Karen