Hello, you may need to look at the surnames of the grandparents. During the early days, many Hispanic families took on the surnames of a special grandparent. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Karen Mitchell [mailto:km1109@aculink.net] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:40 AM To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record Oh Frank, you made my day! (giggle) I have very visual perception and this just made me laugh. But keep those pants handy, we still need to check that film. In a case like this I still worry about transcriber error, as it can happen so easy. If it is indeed Sanches, then we need to investigate further and see if we can figure out why he changed his name after his marriage. I am thinking it is because he found out who his real Father was. This happened in the case of the Castro's and it took me years to figure out what had happened. In another case, years ago I was doing research for Dee, who is now on our List, and we couldn't follow one line, it had me stumped. Finally I came across a record that said this person was known as............ before. So you see, it is not unusual for someone to change their name for any given reason. Many women gave birth to "natural" children, just as they do today, and when the child grew up they were told who their Father was so they changed to that name. I think they did it just to stump us researchers LOL! Can you imagine them sitting up there on their cloud having a good chuckle at us scratching our heads and wondering? LOL Thank you so very much for the kind words and the praise you give me and the other researchers that jumped in to help. We have so many wonderful friends in this environment, and I give thanks for every one of them. Have a great day! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "F WILKINS" <fwilkin1@msn.com> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record I cant' believe this ..I'm trying to figure out what LDS ...means ....where the closest Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is and where records might be, and before I have my pants on..... Karen has the answers.... One heck of an organization....Karen...Thank you all!! Toni and Ida!! I am so indebted to you and very proud to be a part of it. Thanks Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record I put out a request for someone to look up the marriage record and both Toni and Ida answered with the following information: "Pg 152, Nuestra Senora de los Dolores- Arroyo Hondo: Sanches - Trujillo 1-18-1855 J. Rufino s/o Maria Juana Sanches and Maria Leonor d/o Antonio Trujillo and Maria Jacques (dec) originally from Abiquiu. Rio Colorado" It would appear to me that Rufino's father was either deceased at the time of his marriage OR that he was the "natural" son of Juana Sanches and later changed his name to Wilkins, maybe finding out who his real Father was, OR as I stated before, it's a transcriber error. We will continue to investigate this. Nonetheless, this gives us another generation back on Leonore and we should be able to follow that. If anyone can add to this please feel free to do so. Karen

Hello all, Ditto what Frank has said, it is really unbelievable how quick this came about. Now some sad news. This conversation on the Wilkins had brought Donna Ross to mind and I have mentioned her once or twice on the list in the past week. She emailed me today that her husband Carl has passed away after a lengthy illness and extended Hospice care at home. He took a turn for the worse early this month and was beyond home care so Donna has spent most of this month in the hospital with him. Please keep her in your thoughts and prayers, I know she is in mine. -----Original Message----- From: F WILKINS [mailto:fwilkin1@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:18 PM To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record I cant' believe this ..I'm trying to figure out what LDS ...means ....where the closest Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is and where records might be, and before I have my pants on..... Karen has the answers.... One heck of an organization....Karen...Thank you all!! Toni and Ida!! I am so indebted to you and very proud to be a part of it. Thanks Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record I put out a request for someone to look up the marriage record and both Toni and Ida answered with the following information: "Pg 152, Nuestra Senora de los Dolores- Arroyo Hondo: Sanches - Trujillo 1-18-1855 J. Rufino s/o Maria Juana Sanches and Maria Leonor d/o Antonio Trujillo and Maria Jacques (dec) originally from Abiquiu. Rio Colorado" It would appear to me that Rufino's father was either deceased at the time of his marriage OR that he was the "natural" son of Juana Sanches and later changed his name to Wilkins, maybe finding out who his real Father was, OR as I stated before, it's a transcriber error. We will continue to investigate this. Nonetheless, this gives us another generation back on Leonore and we should be able to follow that. If anyone can add to this please feel free to do so. Karen

Thanks so very much Dave for the kudos. I really appreciate it when people let me know I'm on the right track here. Hope you got a kick out of Frank's message, like I did. Dave I would like you and Frank to meet Robin, here on our list. She is also descended form Rufino and Leonore. It was only about a month ago that she realized this, so I'm sure she's enjoying our thread. She just finished typing up the Oral Interview of Max and Lulu Valdez where it mentions Rufino's family. I will get that coded and online as soon as I can. Hope everyone is having a beautiful day, and thank you again! Hugs for all, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Silva" <fourofus@htc.net> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [COHUERFA] Re:Wilkins, I found it! Karen, No good deed goes unpunished... Kudos to you Karen. I know that Frank, Donna Ross (blast from the past) and myself have spent countless hours trying to find this type of information on Rufino and Elenora. We are so lucky to have you as a coordinator (mother) of our lists. Your hard work, maintaining, gathering, sorting and making the data available to us is greatly appreciated. Then, to top it off, you do things like the marriage record. You are an amazing lady. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Mitchell [mailto:km1109@aculink.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:26 PM To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COHUERFA] Re:Wilkins, I found it! I finally found the marriage record of Rufino and Leonore on the LDS site. It is in the Arroyo Hondo records. I searched on Maria Leonor Trugillo. Here's the record: 8 Jan 1855, Maria Leonor Trugillo married Jose Rufino Sanches. Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Arroyo Hondo, Taos, New Mexico Now all we have to do is find the original record on the film to verify the names. The "Sanches" could be a translator error or maybe he was a Sanches. But the original record should give the parents names. Anyone going to their LDS center soon? Karen

Oh Frank, you made my day! (giggle) I have very visual perception and this just made me laugh. But keep those pants handy, we still need to check that film. In a case like this I still worry about transcriber error, as it can happen so easy. If it is indeed Sanches, then we need to investigate further and see if we can figure out why he changed his name after his marriage. I am thinking it is because he found out who his real Father was. This happened in the case of the Castro's and it took me years to figure out what had happened. In another case, years ago I was doing research for Dee, who is now on our List, and we couldn't follow one line, it had me stumped. Finally I came across a record that said this person was known as............ before. So you see, it is not unusual for someone to change their name for any given reason. Many women gave birth to "natural" children, just as they do today, and when the child grew up they were told who their Father was so they changed to that name. I think they did it just to stump us researchers LOL! Can you imagine them sitting up there on their cloud having a good chuckle at us scratching our heads and wondering? LOL Thank you so very much for the kind words and the praise you give me and the other researchers that jumped in to help. We have so many wonderful friends in this environment, and I give thanks for every one of them. Have a great day! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "F WILKINS" <fwilkin1@msn.com> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record I cant' believe this ..I'm trying to figure out what LDS ...means ....where the closest Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is and where records might be, and before I have my pants on..... Karen has the answers.... One heck of an organization....Karen...Thank you all!! Toni and Ida!! I am so indebted to you and very proud to be a part of it. Thanks Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record I put out a request for someone to look up the marriage record and both Toni and Ida answered with the following information: "Pg 152, Nuestra Senora de los Dolores- Arroyo Hondo: Sanches - Trujillo 1-18-1855 J. Rufino s/o Maria Juana Sanches and Maria Leonor d/o Antonio Trujillo and Maria Jacques (dec) originally from Abiquiu. Rio Colorado" It would appear to me that Rufino's father was either deceased at the time of his marriage OR that he was the "natural" son of Juana Sanches and later changed his name to Wilkins, maybe finding out who his real Father was, OR as I stated before, it's a transcriber error. We will continue to investigate this. Nonetheless, this gives us another generation back on Leonore and we should be able to follow that. If anyone can add to this please feel free to do so. Karen

I cant' believe this ..I'm trying to figure out what LDS ...means ....where the closest Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is and where records might be, and before I have my pants on..... Karen has the answers.... One heck of an organization....Karen...Thank you all!! Toni and Ida!! I am so indebted to you and very proud to be a part of it. Thanks Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Wilkins, marriage record I put out a request for someone to look up the marriage record and both Toni and Ida answered with the following information: "Pg 152, Nuestra Senora de los Dolores- Arroyo Hondo: Sanches - Trujillo 1-18-1855 J. Rufino s/o Maria Juana Sanches and Maria Leonor d/o Antonio Trujillo and Maria Jacques (dec) originally from Abiquiu. Rio Colorado" It would appear to me that Rufino's father was either deceased at the time of his marriage OR that he was the "natural" son of Juana Sanches and later changed his name to Wilkins, maybe finding out who his real Father was, OR as I stated before, it's a transcriber error. We will continue to investigate this. Nonetheless, this gives us another generation back on Leonore and we should be able to follow that. If anyone can add to this please feel free to do so. Karen

hi,, this is my,......... , reyes trujillo born in new mexico 1852 on his head stone is sayes born in clayton, new mexico, i was told that this was union clayton, not the town of clayton,?? as this was mora, and santa fe, new mexico,? on my reyes trujillo born 1852 and passed a way in the year 1928, he married to a ursula ( benavidez ) trujillo, as the family stories she was ten years of age and reyes trujillo was much older than her about twenty years age deferant,? on reyes trujillo ,,,,,,,,, death cert, it just has his fathers name,, joseph trujillo , no, mother was put down ,? reyes trujillo took the santa fe triales to colorado , reyes and ursula , trujillo had these children ,, tony trujillo, elveria alice trujillo, mack trujillo, roy trujillo, joe trujillo, and margreat trujillo, i was told that a, lorenzo trujillo, and wife maria delores ( archuleta ) trujillo, took familys from abiquiu, new mexico on the old santa fe triales to california, to los angeles california --- san beridino california, as these were trujillo familys, these recordes were from new mexico, church recordes and cencus ,, the other recordes were from california, as california was not founded yet,?? the recordes were from church recordes and imagration recordes,??? this research was done by mr. harley, arch, diocey, ( could this be reyes trujillo family lenor, ( a ) lenora) trujillo, that you are researching on ,???? this is my grand elveria alice ( trujillo ) archuleta she married to a macario archuleta in fort collins ,colorado, as they had a daughter my mother , they named her , eva leonarda archuleta,??? i think they named her after some one in the family ??? on reyes trujillo side of the family,??? as these familys were from new mexico took the old santa fe triales to colorado ... walsenburg,pueblo salt creek, frot collins, denver city denver, to huerfano, gardner,colorado? as these are my mothers family line in colorado, archuleta, trujillo, chaves,martin, benavidez, lopez, moya, ben s rodriguez 2004 lancey dr, modesto ca 95355 i hope you all like my mothers family line , new mexico-- colorado-- california, my mother is now 79 years in age and cant speak, so it is hard to find out about her family stories, if any one knows of these family you can write me at the adress, i thank you all , have a great day from modesto california,,,,

I put out a request for someone to look up the marriage record and both Toni and Ida answered with the following information: "Pg 152, Nuestra Senora de los Dolores- Arroyo Hondo: Sanches - Trujillo 1-18-1855 J. Rufino s/o Maria Juana Sanches and Maria Leonor d/o Antonio Trujillo and Maria Jacques (dec) originally from Abiquiu. Rio Colorado" It would appear to me that Rufino's father was either deceased at the time of his marriage OR that he was the "natural" son of Juana Sanches and later changed his name to Wilkins, maybe finding out who his real Father was, OR as I stated before, it's a transcriber error. We will continue to investigate this. Nonetheless, this gives us another generation back on Leonore and we should be able to follow that. If anyone can add to this please feel free to do so. Karen

Karen, No good deed goes unpunished... Kudos to you Karen. I know that Frank, Donna Ross (blast from the past) and myself have spent countless hours trying to find this type of information on Rufino and Elenora. We are so lucky to have you as a coordinator (mother) of our lists. Your hard work, maintaining, gathering, sorting and making the data available to us is greatly appreciated. Then, to top it off, you do things like the marriage record. You are an amazing lady. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Mitchell [mailto:km1109@aculink.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:26 PM To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COHUERFA] Re:Wilkins, I found it! I finally found the marriage record of Rufino and Leonore on the LDS site. It is in the Arroyo Hondo records. I searched on Maria Leonor Trugillo. Here's the record: 8 Jan 1855, Maria Leonor Trugillo married Jose Rufino Sanches. Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Arroyo Hondo, Taos, New Mexico Now all we have to do is find the original record on the film to verify the names. The "Sanches" could be a translator error or maybe he was a Sanches. But the original record should give the parents names. Anyone going to their LDS center soon? Karen

I finally found the marriage record of Rufino and Leonore on the LDS site. It is in the Arroyo Hondo records. I searched on Maria Leonor Trugillo. Here's the record: 8 Jan 1855, Maria Leonor Trugillo married Jose Rufino Sanches. Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Arroyo Hondo, Taos, New Mexico Now all we have to do is find the original record on the film to verify the names. The "Sanches" could be a translator error or maybe he was a Sanches. But the original record should give the parents names. Anyone going to their LDS center soon? Karen

Hello, I wondering if anyone knows anything about a Byron BOUCHARD who had a homestead/ranch in Huerfano county starting around 1916. He and his wife (Linnia Massey BOUCHARD) moved to Huerfano County from Oklahoma around that year. The original date of the patent was 4/1916. In his final proof (in 1923) he claims to have been living on the land since 1918 with his family, but the 1920 Census lists Byron and family in Custer County. In 1930, only Linnia and their children are in Custer County. I cannot find Byron anywhere. The Land Patent application lists the land as 20 miles south of Westcliffe. Linnia's obituary says they lived in Huerfano County until about 1933 when they moved to Custer County. Then by about 1950 they were in Canon City. Linnia died in 1962 in Canon City. Her obituary says Byron died 10 years earlier but the state has no record of it. Linnia (and most of the children) are buried in the Ula Cemetery in Custer County. Byron is not. If anyone has any knowledge of these people or any tips on where I should look next, I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Chris

Hi Frank, Your return address said mikey, hence I assumed we had a "Mike". LOL Okay, here is what I have, and it is not complete by any means so if anyone else can add to it please feel free to do so. 1. Juana Wilkins married Atanasio Gomez. Their daughter, Juana Gomez married Gabriel Baca 11-4-1871, both residents of Crestones (Redwing), St. Marys marriages. At this time Santiago would have been 13 years old, so he couldn't have been the oldest Wilkins child. 2. Demesio Wilkins. He was definitely a son of Rufino but not to be confused with Santiagos' son of the same name. 3. Santiago Wilkins born abt 1858 per 1880 census married Josefa Aragon 11-22-1881 St Marys marriages. 4. Maria Cleofes Wilkins born abt 1862 per 1880 census married Jose Marcelino Pino 8-2-1882, St Marys marriages 5. Maria Pacifica Wilkins, born abt 1865 per 1880 census married Simon Silva 1-6-1884 St Marys marriages 6. Maria Desideria Wilkins born abt 1868 per 1880 census. 7. Maria Pastora Wilkins born 1872 died 1911 per headstone, married Antonio Maria Sandoval 7-1-1886 St Marys marriages 8. Maria Manuela Wilkins born 1-10-1873, baptized 2-9-1873 St Marys Baptisms. 9. Maria Delfina Wilkins born 2-17-1875, baptized 2-25-1875 St Marys baptisms, married Ramon Martinez 8-14-1903 St Marys marriages. 10. Jose Maria Wilkins born abt 1877 per 1880 census 11. Celia Wilkins married Oracio Vallejos. 12. Bernice Wilkins married Julian Bent. 13. Cedelia Wilkins died 1-18-1929, buried Maes Creek Cemetery, married Jose Dolores Medina 11-25-1889, St Marys marriages. If there was a Jose Toribio Wilkins, he would make 14 children, but I went to the LDS site and can not find that record anywhere. Can you send it to me or send the link for that? I tried several ways and could not find it. I have read the Guilques name before but just can't remember where. It's driving me nuts! LOL I would truly like to see the signature and know what document it is on, although you would have to send it to me privately, as you can not send an attachment to the List. Can anyone add to this? Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "F WILKINS" <fwilkin1@msn.com> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Karen!! Dave!! It's Frank (Wilkins) not Mike...don't know how my nic name popped up.. Anyway wanted to clarify what I had posted earlier. There is no question in my mind that Rufino was an educated man. My Dad also insisted he rode with Kid Carson and that records in the Gardner Church would prove that...(but that's for another story) The kind words you used to describe my Great Great Grandfather is truly heartwarming and I believe all of what you said to be true. But, to clarify what I had posted earlier; When Rufino purchased his license for the store, he had to take out a loan of $500. His signature is on record. The Signature appears to be Guilques. (damm Nice Signature too!!) My Guess or assumption was that he may have been weak ONLY in the "English" language. When asked his name by Censustakers who I would assume to be Anglo...their interpetation of his name would come out as Wikes or Wilkins.( It isspelled both ways in various Census's) Maybe by his choice or maybe by not being able to correct the English version of what was being written in English...the name went down as Wilkins...and accepted. I thought I sent a copy of his signature a while back...oh well...old age....I will scan the document and pass it on to all. Thanks all again Frank Looking forward to your list ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> To: Huerfano List<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> ; mikey<mailto:fwilkin1@msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hi Mike, I am answering you on the Huerfano List as there are other people that are interested in this family also. My little guy is due here any minute so I'm going to make this a quick note. I think your assumption about Rufino Wilkins not being able to read or write is incorrect. In 1862 he was sworn into office as a Justice of the Peace. In that capacity he performed marriages, sat in on trials, had to keep records etc. Also as a Justice, he had to be able to read and write because back then, the Justice also wrote the beautiful proposals of marriages for the groom and his parents. He had to be literate to be able to do all of his duties. In 1862 he applied for a license for a grocery in his home. He had to be able to transact business in order to keep a store. Plus, from what I learned from the older generation of the family, Rufino was a highly intelligent man, and was highly respected in the community. He was very well spoken and many people went to him for advise about legal matters. I will send the list of children after the baby goes down for his nap. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: mikey<mailto:fwilkin1@msn.com> To: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Karen If you have time and have a list can you send me your list of Rufinos's kids that you mentioned to Dave. I think that Santiago was the first born: A cousin of mine recently sent this info: In the IGI (International Genealogical Inventory) there is an entry for a Baptism for Jose Torbio Wilkins May 3,1858 in Taos, Arroyo Hondo Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores (perhaps the church) Parents are Juan Rufino and Eleonora Trujillo.This year matches the date that Santiago was born. I cannot yet explain the name Jose Torbio, unless it is a mispelling. On the same page of the IGI a John Wilkins is born in 1827 in New Mexico in Arizona County..a brother of Rufino??We have copy of the signature of Rufino. He signed his last name "Guilques" This Spanish name sounds somewhat like Wilkins and to the Anglo who was writing the document, he spelled the name "Guilques" as Wilkins. It was common that those who were writing could not read or write the Spanish Language and often wrote Spanish surnames phonetically. I believe that the name "Guilques" was forever changed within this one document. Rufino, most likely, could not read English, and could not correct the spelling. I have compiled this list but only 9 children. Husband: Rufino Wilkins Born: 1840 Wife: Leonor Trujillo Born: 1843 Died: December 08, 1918 CHILDREN 1 Name: Cedelia Wilkins F Married: Spouse: Jose Dolores Medina 2 Name: Santiago Wilkins M Born: 1858 Married: November 22, 1881 Spouse: Josepha Aragon 3 Name: Clofi Or Cleofeus Wilkins F Born: 1863 Married: Spouse: Marcellino Pino 4 Name: Pacifica Wilkins F Born: 1865 Married: Spouse: Simon Silva 5 Name: Desidora Wilkins F Born: 1868 6 Name: Pastora Wilkins F Born: 1871 Married: Spouse: Antonio M Sandovall 7 Name: Manuella Wilkins F Born: January 10, 1873 8 Name: Jose Wilkins M Born: 1877 9 Name: Delfina Maria Wilkins ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hi Dave, Do you remember the old western movies where the Padre is slowly traveling across country on a donkey or mule? That was based on fact. Prior to many of the churches being established the Priests were considered circuit riders that traveled to different localities to perform their jobs. So unfortunately we don't always know where any given record will be prior to St. Mary's being established in late 1869. We do know that Rufino was in the area prior to 1861 because he is listed in the 1861 Territorial census. On April 14, 1862 he was sworn in as a Justice of the Peace in Huerfano County, and also in 1862 he applied for a license for a grocery in his home. From the 1880 census we can determine that he was born about 1840 and Leonore about 1843. So it's conceivable that they were married as early as 1860. He died before 1910 and Leonor died after 1910 census enumeration. I have 13 children listed for Rufino and Leonor but actual birth dates on only two of the daughters. I assume that you are descended from Pacifica Wilkins and Simon Silva. Is that correct? Beings Rufino is listed in the Territorial Election in District 8 or 9 in Precinct 7, which is listed as "on the Arkansas" river, I am wondering if we might find the marriage record at Pueblo. If not there, then perhaps Trinidad or Mora County, NM. They are not listed in the Conejos records that I have. Wish I could be of more help to you but unfortunately this marriage record has been elusive for me also. No I haven't had any "encounters" lately with anything but snakes and gophers. Only two rattlers this year so far, but I expect that to increase in the next weeks as we are getting fibre optic cable laid in this area and I'm afraid the workers might disturb any nests in the area. I haven't done any cemetery readings this year because I don't have anyone to go with me so that has cut way back on the "encounters". Pretty boring LOL! Sure wish you all would start a campaign to talk the Johnston's into coming from California again, we'd get alot more cemeteries online. Hmmm, wonder if I could kidnap them. (hehe) But in the meantime, if any of you are in the area and would like to spend a day helping read and document a cemetery, Please let me know, I would appreciate it so very much! It is never wise to go into a remote cemetery alone so I'm pretty much stuck at home with my wishes. Fall is on the way, hope everyone is enjoying the cooler weather! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Silva" <fourofus@htc.net<mailto:fourofus@htc.net>> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hello all on the mailing list, old members and new. Where were the records kept prior to Father Ussel and St. Mary's? I am trying to locate information on Maria Leonor(a) Trujillo & Rufino Wilkins or Juana Apolonia Garcia & Francisco Silva. It is nice to see some activity on the list. Karen, have you had any outdoor adventures? Lions, tigers, bears, Sasquatch? Thanks in advance from Dave & Diane Go Cardinals! (baseball in St. Louis)

Karen!! Dave!! It's Frank (Wilkins) not Mike...don't know how my nic name popped up.. Anyway wanted to clarify what I had posted earlier. There is no question in my mind that Rufino was an educated man. My Dad also insisted he rode with Kid Carson and that records in the Gardner Church would prove that...(but that's for another story) The kind words you used to describe my Great Great Grandfather is truly heartwarming and I believe all of what you said to be true. But, to clarify what I had posted earlier; When Rufino purchased his license for the store, he had to take out a loan of $500. His signature is on record. The Signature appears to be Guilques. (damm Nice Signature too!!) My Guess or assumption was that he may have been weak ONLY in the "English" language. When asked his name by Censustakers who I would assume to be Anglo...their interpetation of his name would come out as Wikes or Wilkins.( It isspelled both ways in various Census's) Maybe by his choice or maybe by not being able to correct the English version of what was being written in English...the name went down as Wilkins...and accepted. I thought I sent a copy of his signature a while back...oh well...old age....I will scan the document and pass it on to all. Thanks all again Frank Looking forward to your list ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> To: Huerfano List<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> ; mikey<mailto:fwilkin1@msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hi Mike, I am answering you on the Huerfano List as there are other people that are interested in this family also. My little guy is due here any minute so I'm going to make this a quick note. I think your assumption about Rufino Wilkins not being able to read or write is incorrect. In 1862 he was sworn into office as a Justice of the Peace. In that capacity he performed marriages, sat in on trials, had to keep records etc. Also as a Justice, he had to be able to read and write because back then, the Justice also wrote the beautiful proposals of marriages for the groom and his parents. He had to be literate to be able to do all of his duties. In 1862 he applied for a license for a grocery in his home. He had to be able to transact business in order to keep a store. Plus, from what I learned from the older generation of the family, Rufino was a highly intelligent man, and was highly respected in the community. He was very well spoken and many people went to him for advise about legal matters. I will send the list of children after the baby goes down for his nap. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: mikey<mailto:fwilkin1@msn.com> To: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Karen If you have time and have a list can you send me your list of Rufinos's kids that you mentioned to Dave. I think that Santiago was the first born: A cousin of mine recently sent this info: In the IGI (International Genealogical Inventory) there is an entry for a Baptism for Jose Torbio Wilkins May 3,1858 in Taos, Arroyo Hondo Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores (perhaps the church) Parents are Juan Rufino and Eleonora Trujillo.This year matches the date that Santiago was born. I cannot yet explain the name Jose Torbio, unless it is a mispelling. On the same page of the IGI a John Wilkins is born in 1827 in New Mexico in Arizona County..a brother of Rufino??We have copy of the signature of Rufino. He signed his last name "Guilques" This Spanish name sounds somewhat like Wilkins and to the Anglo who was writing the document, he spelled the name "Guilques" as Wilkins. It was common that those who were writing could not read or write the Spanish Language and often wrote Spanish surnames phonetically. I believe that the name "Guilques" was forever changed within this one document. Rufino, most likely, could not read English, and could not correct the spelling. I have compiled this list but only 9 children. Husband: Rufino Wilkins Born: 1840 Wife: Leonor Trujillo Born: 1843 Died: December 08, 1918 CHILDREN 1 Name: Cedelia Wilkins F Married: Spouse: Jose Dolores Medina 2 Name: Santiago Wilkins M Born: 1858 Married: November 22, 1881 Spouse: Josepha Aragon 3 Name: Clofi Or Cleofeus Wilkins F Born: 1863 Married: Spouse: Marcellino Pino 4 Name: Pacifica Wilkins F Born: 1865 Married: Spouse: Simon Silva 5 Name: Desidora Wilkins F Born: 1868 6 Name: Pastora Wilkins F Born: 1871 Married: Spouse: Antonio M Sandovall 7 Name: Manuella Wilkins F Born: January 10, 1873 8 Name: Jose Wilkins M Born: 1877 9 Name: Delfina Maria Wilkins ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell<mailto:km1109@aculink.net> To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hi Dave, Do you remember the old western movies where the Padre is slowly traveling across country on a donkey or mule? That was based on fact. Prior to many of the churches being established the Priests were considered circuit riders that traveled to different localities to perform their jobs. So unfortunately we don't always know where any given record will be prior to St. Mary's being established in late 1869. We do know that Rufino was in the area prior to 1861 because he is listed in the 1861 Territorial census. On April 14, 1862 he was sworn in as a Justice of the Peace in Huerfano County, and also in 1862 he applied for a license for a grocery in his home. From the 1880 census we can determine that he was born about 1840 and Leonore about 1843. So it's conceivable that they were married as early as 1860. He died before 1910 and Leonor died after 1910 census enumeration. I have 13 children listed for Rufino and Leonor but actual birth dates on only two of the daughters. I assume that you are descended from Pacifica Wilkins and Simon Silva. Is that correct? Beings Rufino is listed in the Territorial Election in District 8 or 9 in Precinct 7, which is listed as "on the Arkansas" river, I am wondering if we might find the marriage record at Pueblo. If not there, then perhaps Trinidad or Mora County, NM. They are not listed in the Conejos records that I have. Wish I could be of more help to you but unfortunately this marriage record has been elusive for me also. No I haven't had any "encounters" lately with anything but snakes and gophers. Only two rattlers this year so far, but I expect that to increase in the next weeks as we are getting fibre optic cable laid in this area and I'm afraid the workers might disturb any nests in the area. I haven't done any cemetery readings this year because I don't have anyone to go with me so that has cut way back on the "encounters". Pretty boring LOL! Sure wish you all would start a campaign to talk the Johnston's into coming from California again, we'd get alot more cemeteries online. Hmmm, wonder if I could kidnap them. (hehe) But in the meantime, if any of you are in the area and would like to spend a day helping read and document a cemetery, Please let me know, I would appreciate it so very much! It is never wise to go into a remote cemetery alone so I'm pretty much stuck at home with my wishes. Fall is on the way, hope everyone is enjoying the cooler weather! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Silva" <fourofus@htc.net<mailto:fourofus@htc.net>> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hello all on the mailing list, old members and new. Where were the records kept prior to Father Ussel and St. Mary's? I am trying to locate information on Maria Leonor(a) Trujillo & Rufino Wilkins or Juana Apolonia Garcia & Francisco Silva. It is nice to see some activity on the list. Karen, have you had any outdoor adventures? Lions, tigers, bears, Sasquatch? Thanks in advance from Dave & Diane Go Cardinals! (baseball in St. Louis)

Hi Karen, Mike, and the rest of the list, Thanks for the info Karen (insightful as usual), and to Mike also. The New Mexico info is very interesting, and can lead eventually to more leads. A word on Rufino, I have often thought that he may have been an American who assumed the Spanish Identity as some did back then due to laws made to discourage the migration of Americans. Mike, if you have an electronic copy of Rufino's signature, I sure would like a copy. My email is fourofus@htc.net. It's time for bed. I worked last night, had to remove a back wheel off my rider/mower to replace the tire. We just a lot of rain here in the Midwest and my dormant lawn took off. I had to mow at the highest setting yesterday just to get thru it. Rain was too late to help our farmers though, a lot of the fields are stunted, corn stalks less than five feet tall. Thanks to all on the list. I am also researching the Simon Silva line (married Pacifica Wilkins) So if anyone has any info on him, such as his death, birth, etc I sure would appreciate. I plan on uploading a family sheet shortly. Karen, Donna Ross has a partial Silva one on the site already, does that have an impact on mine? We still maintain an email correspondence. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Karen Mitchell [mailto:km1109@aculink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:20 AM To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hi Mike, I am answering you on the Huerfano List as there are other people that are interested in this family also. My little guy is due here any minute so I'm going to make this a quick note. I think your assumption about Rufino Wilkins not being able to read or write is incorrect. In 1862 he was sworn into office as a Justice of the Peace. In that capacity he performed marriages, sat in on trials, had to keep records etc. Also as a Justice, he had to be able to read and write because back then, the Justice also wrote the beautiful proposals of marriages for the groom and his parents. He had to be literate to be able to do all of his duties. In 1862 he applied for a license for a grocery in his home. He had to be able to transact business in order to keep a store. Plus, from what I learned from the older generation of the family, Rufino was a highly intelligent man, and was highly respected in the community. He was very well spoken and many people went to him for advise about legal matters. I will send the list of children after the baby goes down for his nap. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: mikey To: Karen Mitchell Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Karen If you have time and have a list can you send me your list of Rufinos's kids that you mentioned to Dave. I think that Santiago was the first born: A cousin of mine recently sent this info: In the IGI (International Genealogical Inventory) there is an entry for a Baptism for Jose Torbio Wilkins May 3,1858 in Taos, Arroyo Hondo Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores (perhaps the church) Parents are Juan Rufino and Eleonora Trujillo.This year matches the date that Santiago was born. I cannot yet explain the name Jose Torbio, unless it is a mispelling. On the same page of the IGI a John Wilkins is born in 1827 in New Mexico in Arizona County..a brother of Rufino??We have copy of the signature of Rufino. He signed his last name "Guilques" This Spanish name sounds somewhat like Wilkins and to the Anglo who was writing the document, he spelled the name "Guilques" as Wilkins. It was common that those who were writing could not read or write the Spanish Language and often wrote Spanish surnames phonetically. I believe that the name "Guilques" was forever changed within this one document. Rufino, most likely, could not read English, and could not correct the spelling. I have compiled this list but only 9 children. Husband: Rufino Wilkins Born: 1840 Wife: Leonor Trujillo Born: 1843 Died: December 08, 1918 CHILDREN 1 Name: Cedelia Wilkins F Married: Spouse: Jose Dolores Medina 2 Name: Santiago Wilkins M Born: 1858 Married: November 22, 1881 Spouse: Josepha Aragon 3 Name: Clofi Or Cleofeus Wilkins F Born: 1863 Married: Spouse: Marcellino Pino 4 Name: Pacifica Wilkins F Born: 1865 Married: Spouse: Simon Silva 5 Name: Desidora Wilkins F Born: 1868 6 Name: Pastora Wilkins F Born: 1871 Married: Spouse: Antonio M Sandovall 7 Name: Manuella Wilkins F Born: January 10, 1873 8 Name: Jose Wilkins M Born: 1877 9 Name: Delfina Maria Wilkins ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hi Dave, Do you remember the old western movies where the Padre is slowly traveling across country on a donkey or mule? That was based on fact. Prior to many of the churches being established the Priests were considered circuit riders that traveled to different localities to perform their jobs. So unfortunately we don't always know where any given record will be prior to St. Mary's being established in late 1869. We do know that Rufino was in the area prior to 1861 because he is listed in the 1861 Territorial census. On April 14, 1862 he was sworn in as a Justice of the Peace in Huerfano County, and also in 1862 he applied for a license for a grocery in his home. From the 1880 census we can determine that he was born about 1840 and Leonore about 1843. So it's conceivable that they were married as early as 1860. He died before 1910 and Leonor died after 1910 census enumeration. I have 13 children listed for Rufino and Leonor but actual birth dates on only two of the daughters. I assume that you are descended from Pacifica Wilkins and Simon Silva. Is that correct? Beings Rufino is listed in the Territorial Election in District 8 or 9 in Precinct 7, which is listed as "on the Arkansas" river, I am wondering if we might find the marriage record at Pueblo. If not there, then perhaps Trinidad or Mora County, NM. They are not listed in the Conejos records that I have. Wish I could be of more help to you but unfortunately this marriage record has been elusive for me also. No I haven't had any "encounters" lately with anything but snakes and gophers. Only two rattlers this year so far, but I expect that to increase in the next weeks as we are getting fibre optic cable laid in this area and I'm afraid the workers might disturb any nests in the area. I haven't done any cemetery readings this year because I don't have anyone to go with me so that has cut way back on the "encounters". Pretty boring LOL! Sure wish you all would start a campaign to talk the Johnston's into coming from California again, we'd get alot more cemeteries online. Hmmm, wonder if I could kidnap them. (hehe) But in the meantime, if any of you are in the area and would like to spend a day helping read and document a cemetery, Please let me know, I would appreciate it so very much! It is never wise to go into a remote cemetery alone so I'm pretty much stuck at home with my wishes. Fall is on the way, hope everyone is enjoying the cooler weather! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Silva" <fourofus@htc.net> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hello all on the mailing list, old members and new. Where were the records kept prior to Father Ussel and St. Mary's? I am trying to locate information on Maria Leonor(a) Trujillo & Rufino Wilkins or Juana Apolonia Garcia & Francisco Silva. It is nice to see some activity on the list. Karen, have you had any outdoor adventures? Lions, tigers, bears, Sasquatch? Thanks in advance from Dave & Diane Go Cardinals! (baseball in St. Louis)

Hi Mike, I am answering you on the Huerfano List as there are other people that are interested in this family also. My little guy is due here any minute so I'm going to make this a quick note. I think your assumption about Rufino Wilkins not being able to read or write is incorrect. In 1862 he was sworn into office as a Justice of the Peace. In that capacity he performed marriages, sat in on trials, had to keep records etc. Also as a Justice, he had to be able to read and write because back then, the Justice also wrote the beautiful proposals of marriages for the groom and his parents. He had to be literate to be able to do all of his duties. In 1862 he applied for a license for a grocery in his home. He had to be able to transact business in order to keep a store. Plus, from what I learned from the older generation of the family, Rufino was a highly intelligent man, and was highly respected in the community. He was very well spoken and many people went to him for advise about legal matters. I will send the list of children after the baby goes down for his nap. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: mikey To: Karen Mitchell Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Karen If you have time and have a list can you send me your list of Rufinos's kids that you mentioned to Dave. I think that Santiago was the first born: A cousin of mine recently sent this info: In the IGI (International Genealogical Inventory) there is an entry for a Baptism for Jose Torbio Wilkins May 3,1858 in Taos, Arroyo Hondo Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores (perhaps the church) Parents are Juan Rufino and Eleonora Trujillo.This year matches the date that Santiago was born. I cannot yet explain the name Jose Torbio, unless it is a mispelling. On the same page of the IGI a John Wilkins is born in 1827 in New Mexico in Arizona County..a brother of Rufino??We have copy of the signature of Rufino. He signed his last name "Guilques" This Spanish name sounds somewhat like Wilkins and to the Anglo who was writing the document, he spelled the name "Guilques" as Wilkins. It was common that those who were writing could not read or write the Spanish Language and often wrote Spanish surnames phonetically. I believe that the name "Guilques" was forever changed within this one document. Rufino, most likely, could not read English, and could not correct the spelling. I have compiled this list but only 9 children. Husband: Rufino Wilkins Born: 1840 Wife: Leonor Trujillo Born: 1843 Died: December 08, 1918 CHILDREN 1 Name: Cedelia Wilkins F Married: Spouse: Jose Dolores Medina 2 Name: Santiago Wilkins M Born: 1858 Married: November 22, 1881 Spouse: Josepha Aragon 3 Name: Clofi Or Cleofeus Wilkins F Born: 1863 Married: Spouse: Marcellino Pino 4 Name: Pacifica Wilkins F Born: 1865 Married: Spouse: Simon Silva 5 Name: Desidora Wilkins F Born: 1868 6 Name: Pastora Wilkins F Born: 1871 Married: Spouse: Antonio M Sandovall 7 Name: Manuella Wilkins F Born: January 10, 1873 8 Name: Jose Wilkins M Born: 1877 9 Name: Delfina Maria Wilkins ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Mitchell To: COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hi Dave, Do you remember the old western movies where the Padre is slowly traveling across country on a donkey or mule? That was based on fact. Prior to many of the churches being established the Priests were considered circuit riders that traveled to different localities to perform their jobs. So unfortunately we don't always know where any given record will be prior to St. Mary's being established in late 1869. We do know that Rufino was in the area prior to 1861 because he is listed in the 1861 Territorial census. On April 14, 1862 he was sworn in as a Justice of the Peace in Huerfano County, and also in 1862 he applied for a license for a grocery in his home. From the 1880 census we can determine that he was born about 1840 and Leonore about 1843. So it's conceivable that they were married as early as 1860. He died before 1910 and Leonor died after 1910 census enumeration. I have 13 children listed for Rufino and Leonor but actual birth dates on only two of the daughters. I assume that you are descended from Pacifica Wilkins and Simon Silva. Is that correct? Beings Rufino is listed in the Territorial Election in District 8 or 9 in Precinct 7, which is listed as "on the Arkansas" river, I am wondering if we might find the marriage record at Pueblo. If not there, then perhaps Trinidad or Mora County, NM. They are not listed in the Conejos records that I have. Wish I could be of more help to you but unfortunately this marriage record has been elusive for me also. No I haven't had any "encounters" lately with anything but snakes and gophers. Only two rattlers this year so far, but I expect that to increase in the next weeks as we are getting fibre optic cable laid in this area and I'm afraid the workers might disturb any nests in the area. I haven't done any cemetery readings this year because I don't have anyone to go with me so that has cut way back on the "encounters". Pretty boring LOL! Sure wish you all would start a campaign to talk the Johnston's into coming from California again, we'd get alot more cemeteries online. Hmmm, wonder if I could kidnap them. (hehe) But in the meantime, if any of you are in the area and would like to spend a day helping read and document a cemetery, Please let me know, I would appreciate it so very much! It is never wise to go into a remote cemetery alone so I'm pretty much stuck at home with my wishes. Fall is on the way, hope everyone is enjoying the cooler weather! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Silva" <fourofus@htc.net> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hello all on the mailing list, old members and new. Where were the records kept prior to Father Ussel and St. Mary's? I am trying to locate information on Maria Leonor(a) Trujillo & Rufino Wilkins or Juana Apolonia Garcia & Francisco Silva. It is nice to see some activity on the list. Karen, have you had any outdoor adventures? Lions, tigers, bears, Sasquatch? Thanks in advance from Dave & Diane Go Cardinals! (baseball in St. Louis)

Hi Phyllis, Welcome to the list! I just so happened to call St. Mary's this last week and I was told the charge is $12.00 an hour and $5.00 for each record. I hope this helps. The phone number is 719-738-1204 I don't know the answer to your second question I am sure someone on the list does though. Peace, Nancy

Southeastern Colorado Genealogical Society is most definitely still in operation. We would be glad to be of any assistance we could to you for research and/or we welcome everyone to attend our meetings and join our Society. Our meetings are held the second Saturday of each month at 2pm at the Rawlings Public Library. September 10th's program with be presented by Dr. Harvey Phelps regarding his family research and his experiences of the Korean War. For further information, please call 719-250-5782. Carol Davis Lombard wlumpyl@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "PHYLLIS MIRANDA" <PHYLM2@msn.com> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Fees for death records from St. Mary Church > Hi all on the mailing list: > > I am new to mailing lists and I hope I am doing this right. Does anyone > know the fees required by St. Mary Church in Walsenburg to request a copy of > a death record? I also wanted to know if the Southeastern Colorado > Genealogical Society is still in operation. > > Thanks for your help. > > Phyllis Miranda > phylm2@msn.com > >

Hi all on the mailing list: I am new to mailing lists and I hope I am doing this right. Does anyone know the fees required by St. Mary Church in Walsenburg to request a copy of a death record? I also wanted to know if the Southeastern Colorado Genealogical Society is still in operation. Thanks for your help. Phyllis Miranda phylm2@msn.com

Hi Karen, How funny you should say that about our coming back to Colorado. Duane and I had just been discussing that last week. We have decided that if our plans work out we will be back in late summer 2006 or summer 2007 at which time we can stay as long as we want no restrictions. We will be living and traveling in a 5th wheel. No More Work........ Both of his kids will be with us then. Sooooo keep good thoughts and we hope to see you then.... Arlene

Hi Dave, Do you remember the old western movies where the Padre is slowly traveling across country on a donkey or mule? That was based on fact. Prior to many of the churches being established the Priests were considered circuit riders that traveled to different localities to perform their jobs. So unfortunately we don't always know where any given record will be prior to St. Mary's being established in late 1869. We do know that Rufino was in the area prior to 1861 because he is listed in the 1861 Territorial census. On April 14, 1862 he was sworn in as a Justice of the Peace in Huerfano County, and also in 1862 he applied for a license for a grocery in his home. From the 1880 census we can determine that he was born about 1840 and Leonore about 1843. So it's conceivable that they were married as early as 1860. He died before 1910 and Leonor died after 1910 census enumeration. I have 13 children listed for Rufino and Leonor but actual birth dates on only two of the daughters. I assume that you are descended from Pacifica Wilkins and Simon Silva. Is that correct? Beings Rufino is listed in the Territorial Election in District 8 or 9 in Precinct 7, which is listed as "on the Arkansas" river, I am wondering if we might find the marriage record at Pueblo. If not there, then perhaps Trinidad or Mora County, NM. They are not listed in the Conejos records that I have. Wish I could be of more help to you but unfortunately this marriage record has been elusive for me also. No I haven't had any "encounters" lately with anything but snakes and gophers. Only two rattlers this year so far, but I expect that to increase in the next weeks as we are getting fibre optic cable laid in this area and I'm afraid the workers might disturb any nests in the area. I haven't done any cemetery readings this year because I don't have anyone to go with me so that has cut way back on the "encounters". Pretty boring LOL! Sure wish you all would start a campaign to talk the Johnston's into coming from California again, we'd get alot more cemeteries online. Hmmm, wonder if I could kidnap them. (hehe) But in the meantime, if any of you are in the area and would like to spend a day helping read and document a cemetery, Please let me know, I would appreciate it so very much! It is never wise to go into a remote cemetery alone so I'm pretty much stuck at home with my wishes. Fall is on the way, hope everyone is enjoying the cooler weather! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Silva" <fourofus@htc.net> To: <COHUERFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: [COHUERFA] Marriages and Baptisms prior Hello all on the mailing list, old members and new. Where were the records kept prior to Father Ussel and St. Mary's? I am trying to locate information on Maria Leonor(a) Trujillo & Rufino Wilkins or Juana Apolonia Garcia & Francisco Silva. It is nice to see some activity on the list. Karen, have you had any outdoor adventures? Lions, tigers, bears, Sasquatch? Thanks in advance from Dave & Diane Go Cardinals! (baseball in St. Louis)

Hello all on the mailing list, old members and new. Where were the records kept prior to Father Ussel and St. Mary's? I am trying to locate information on Maria Leonor(a) Trujillo & Rufino Wilkins or Juana Apolonia Garcia & Francisco Silva. It is nice to see some activity on the list. Karen, have you had any outdoor adventures? Lions, tigers, bears, Sasquatch? Thanks in advance from Dave & Diane Go Cardinals! (baseball in St. Louis)