hi everyone, would arleen aquirre email me, i may have some family info for you. taylor

can i heap some more thank you's on tammy....she's also responded to proofreading 20 pages of the census! yeah, tammy! (i'll refrain from spelling out your name while jumping around my office, i was never a cheerleader & the moves might scare my office staff). At 03:37 PM 2/14/02 -0700, Karen Mitchell wrote: >Hey folks take a look at the message I just received from Tammy!!! You go >girl! I wrote back and told her I was gonna kiss her whole face LOL!! I >just love the volunteers on this List, everybody just jumps up and says >"Hey, I can do that!" >All of you are just wonderful! >Karen >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tammy Gonzales >To: Karen Mitchell >Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 3:26 PM >Subject: baptisms > > >Hi Karen, >Is anyone extracting the St. Mary's baptisms yet? I have the film with >baptisms from November 1874 to August 1876. It looks like "most" of them >have birth date, parents names and padrinos (?) included. So...do you >want me to extract these, and what are padrinos and what info do you want >included on the sheet? >Think that about covers it :) >Tammy

Happy Valentines Day to you, Karen! A very big thank you as always for going the "extra mile" on these pages. You are a wonder, indeed!! And as for Ilene, we who have made requests of her know how generous she is! I just wish you guys were on my list for El Paso County! Oh, well. Thanks again!! Bobbi From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: COHUERFA-D Digest V02 #30 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:00:44 -0700 << message2.txt >> << message4.txt >> << message6.txt >> << message8.txt >> << message10.txt >> << message12.txt >> << message14.txt >> << message16.txt >> << message18.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

You're very welcome Bobbi! And by the way, you asked a question about what to do with the witnesses of a marriage or baptisms, and I don't think I've answered you yet. When you receive an email from someone that has information, such as a marriage, click on "Reply" which will bring up an email window for you to reply in. Before replying to the email, copy and paste it into the NOTES part of your Family software, of whomever it pertains to. This way you will retain the information in your notes section but you will also retain the name, email address, and date you received it. It makes it very easy to site your sources later on. You will have no doubt as to where you got the information. Remember that genealogy is the science of tracing your own bloodline. Therefore you would not trace the names of the witnesses, unless of course, they too are related. Which brings me to another point. When you can not determine when an ancestor died, check church records to see when they last appeared as witnesses for one event or another, such as our new online marriage databases. Or you can check County Tax Lists. When someone fails to show up on the tax list, after having been there the year before, you can bet they either died or moved. This is precisely why we tried so hard to save the records that were destroyed in Walsenburg. Most any mention of your ancestor will indicate that he/she was still alive on that date. This will give you a time frame to look for a death record. Hope this helps! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobbi grove" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: [COHUERFA] Re: COHUERFA-D Digest V02 #30 Happy Valentines Day to you, Karen! A very big thank you as always for going the "extra mile" on these pages. You are a wonder, indeed!! And as for Ilene, we who have made requests of her know how generous she is! I just wish you guys were on my list for El Paso County! Oh, well. Thanks again!! Bobbi From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: COHUERFA-D Digest V02 #30 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:00:44 -0700 << message2.txt >> << message4.txt >> << message6.txt >> << message8.txt >> << message10.txt >> << message12.txt >> << message14.txt >> << message16.txt >> << message18.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

hi gang! well, i have not heard back from the usgenweb people as yet so karen came up w/another way to get this process going & get the census proofread & we'll coordinate w/usgenweb when it's done & ready for the public. completely by accident i was able to send the census to karen & she was able to load it to a special url just for the proof readers. (a laugh for karen as i apparently fumbled my way thru the process backwards but it was still sent & she was able to figure it out & get it uploaded, thru no help of my own, duh). SO, we are now ready for all of you wonderful volunteers to sign up & i'm asking you to all reemail me & i'll assign you how ever many pages you'd like to start with & directions. thanks so much to KAREN, who despite my inability to romance the computer, figured out what the heck i was trying to do & got everything up & running for me. email me @ [email protected] & i'll get you going. thank you, thank you, thank you for volunteering! taylor ps. if any of you email me between 2.16-2.25 you'll hear back from me after the 26th, i'll be on vacation & have no access to computer.

Karen, you've zeroed into my genealogical thinking again. I've been wondering when and where Grandfather Claudius Spencer Hart, a native of Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, Eng., was naturalized. And more than that, there are a slew of earlier immigrants, so many for which I have no idea of where they came from in the old countries. Wonder where I'd find the information. Roberta Hart Dutton In a message dated 2/14/02 2:01:06 AM, [email protected] writes: << Okay, now I am going to tell you about another one of your little surprises that I have for you. When I was at the Pueblo Library one day I asked the librarian to tell me everything they had for Huerfano County. She said it wasn't much, besides the microfilmed papers, and not many of those roles of film. She said that in one of the notebooks there was a list of resources for the County. I wasn't very enthused when I only found a couple of pages...but one thing really caught my eye. The entry said "Naturalizations". Well I thought it would be a story about the people that came from other parts of the world. WRONG. This is a list that gives the name, Country, and date of naturalization or petition. I asked her to retrieve it for me and I copied it. I was so excited to find this!! >>

How do you get to the railroad information you talked about? Thanks

Thanks for all the help with my questions :) I have the microfilm for St Mary's covering: Communions 1932-1957, Baptisms 1874-1876, Confirmations 1874-1956, 1871-1874 Marriages 1871-1957 If anyone wants a look-up, please let me know. Tammy

Hi Janet and all, The old fort cemetery really dates back and it is said that there are Cavalry buried there, as well as regular citizens. On Sunday, 2-3-1822, the explorer, Jacob Fowler, wrote in his diary about finding an old Fort in the vicinity. If you really look at the terrain, you can imagine it. The high cliffs on the north west end would be a perfect look-out post. You could see both up, and down the valley. Then in 1853 the US Army, under John W. Gunnison built the road going south from Badito, up over the hill, which goes to Yellowstone. Then in 1867 Badito was the official County seat for awhile, before it was moved to Plaza de Los Leones (Walsenburg). So from these various accounts, we know the area was populated very early. But you know what strikes me as strange is that I have not found an account of an actual church there. I have found where services were held in different families homes though. When I was first there, back in the 70's there were many more posts and markers. I thought I had written down what was there but I sure can't find that 30 year old piece of paper. Believe me, it's here somewhere <grin>. I do remember a red sandstone marker and a couple of rocks that had initials carved in them. Too bad there's no one to tell us who was buried there. As I stood up on top of that little hill I could envision the fort below and the village. It's so sad that so much of our history is gone. I think it's wonderful that parts of the old Spanish corrals are still there, as you can see in one of the photos on the Old Fort Cemetery page. Can you imagine how much labor it took, to put all those sticks in the ground? And if you'll notice, they are woven together with more branches. Well, that was way before the invention of barbed wire. Sure wish I could take my computer and camera and go back about 200 years. Well, on second thought, I guess not, they'd probably burn me at the stake, thinking I was a witch!!! <grin> Also, there at Badito, when they put the new road in, they had to move a grave. My Mother-in-law said she thought it was a grave of an indian, but wasn't sure. Now that I'm 30 years smarter <did I say that?>, I have to wonder about that. If it was an indian, it would depend on what tribe. As we all know, certain tribes "buried" their dead on platforms above the ground. Others cremated their dead. Someday I would like to investigate that further. But I could show you exactly where she said the grave was. This is your History lesson for the night. There WILL be a test...<giggle> Night all! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Janet Wasson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: [COHUERFA] old fort cemetery In looking at the various cemetery photo's, I was particulary interested in the "Old Fort Cemetery" at Badito- as children,my sister and I used to wander around up there, and put various wild flowers on the graves and wonder about the people--we thought they must be so lonely. Apparently the markers have been scavenged? There were several markers, mostly carved on red sandstone up there; we found one that had slid off the side of the hill ( sad I don't remember what it said), and we carried it back up and placed it on the nearest grave. I do remember that there was one done in Spanish. The grave with the "post markers" really fascinated us--we were used to going to St.Mary's or LaVeta cemetery with "modern graves", and not having a concept of time at that age, we thought the posts were a strange thing. Ah, if I'd been older, and could remember the names..... Janet

Hi members! We need to extend a real warm hug for our own Ilene Fortune. She has taken over working on the St. Mary's marriages so I could be freed up to do another project. THANK YOU SO MUCH Ilene!!! I just loaded the 1883-84-85 marriages and a 1889 railroad map of Huerfano County. Go take a look at them and let Ilene and I know what you think. Ilene tells me she's a little bogged down for the next couple days but will be back at it real soon. I really do appreciate our volunteers so very much. Without your help only a part of the data would be online. Later tonight Taylor is going to try to send me the census to put online on our Huerfano site so that all of you can start proofing it. She said she would be assigning pages to everyone. We are sure excited about getting that project done so we can get it "officially" online. Taylor has really hung in there to get this census done and all we need to do now is get it proofed before we open it to the public. THANK YOU Taylor!!! Okay, now I am going to tell you about another one of your little surprises that I have for you. When I was at the Pueblo Library one day I asked the librarian to tell me everything they had for Huerfano County. She said it wasn't much, besides the microfilmed papers, and not many of those roles of film. She said that in one of the notebooks there was a list of resources for the County. I wasn't very enthused when I only found a couple of pages...but one thing really caught my eye. The entry said "Naturalizations". Well I thought it would be a story about the people that came from other parts of the world. WRONG. This is a list that gives the name, Country, and date of naturalization or petition. I asked her to retrieve it for me and I copied it. I was so excited to find this!!! So for the past few days I have been inputting the data into a database to put online. I have recognized so many of the names that our researchers are looking for, Snedden, Shaw, Essress, Patterson, Topping, etc. And some of them I have to wonder about...is this the original spelling of that... Well you understand what I'm trying to say. I think the earliest record was 1873 and it goes up through the 20's. I'm barely on 1914 now so you can see this is going to take awhile. But I am so excited about it. Up till now, we didn't have a thing on Naturalizations. There are no names or indication of who did this little work of art but boy, I could kiss their whole face for doing it! <very big grin> I can hardly wait to get it online for all of you! It also includes the minor's petitions which is really great because you get a list of the minor's from the family. I have to do more research on this to really get an understanding of the processes for each entry. If anyone wants to jump in here and give me a quick brush up course on the process, please do! It's been at least a 100 years since I had to deal with Naturalizations. <grin> So now you know why I haven't gotten back to the obits project, between proofing for Ilene and working on this database, and working on the cemetery photos, I'm keeping pretty busy. Let me hear from you! Oh yes, HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY TO ALL OF YOU! I have no sweetheart so all of you have to stand in for one! XOXOXOX Hugs to all, Karen P.S. 2002 has been declared the year of "Unity".

In a message dated 02/13/2002 3:45:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > What were the normal ages for first communions and confirmations? Or was > there a minimum age? > Usually First Holy Communion is between 6-8 yrs (earlier almost always), and Confirmation between 13-16 yrs., depending on the childs maturity.

Hi all :) What were the normal ages for first communions and confirmations? Or was there a minimum age? Tammy

In looking at the various cemetery photo's, I was particulary interested in the "Old Fort Cemetery" at Badito- as children,my sister and I used to wander around up there, and put various wild flowers on the graves and wonder about the people--we thought they must be so lonely. Apparently the markers have been scavenged? There were several markers, mostly carved on red sandstone up there; we found one that had slid off the side of the hill ( sad I don't remember what it said), and we carried it back up and placed it on the nearest grave. I do remember that there was one done in Spanish. The grave with the "post markers" really fascinated us--we were used to going to St.Mary's or LaVeta cemetery with "modern graves", and not having a concept of time at that age, we thought the posts were a strange thing. Ah, if I'd been older, and could remember the names..... Janet

Can you tell me about what year span that would have been? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Janet Wasson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: [COHUERFA] old fort cemetery In looking at the various cemetery photo's, I was particulary interested in the "Old Fort Cemetery" at Badito- as children,my sister and I used to wander around up there, and put various wild flowers on the graves and wonder about the people--we thought they must be so lonely. Apparently the markers have been scavenged? There were several markers, mostly carved on red sandstone up there; we found one that had slid off the side of the hill ( sad I don't remember what it said), and we carried it back up and placed it on the nearest grave. I do remember that there was one done in Spanish. The grave with the "post markers" really fascinated us--we were used to going to St.Mary's or LaVeta cemetery with "modern graves", and not having a concept of time at that age, we thought the posts were a strange thing. Ah, if I'd been older, and could remember the names..... Janet

WOW!!! Although I didn't find my family (YET!!) in any of these listings, this is an amazing amount of work Karen!! THANK YOU!

You're so welcome! Yes it is a lot of work, my fingers hurt! <grin> Hugs, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [COHUERFA] One of your surprises WOW!!! Although I didn't find my family (YET!!) in any of these listings, this is an amazing amount of work Karen!! THANK YOU!

You are very welcome, glad you appreciate them! Hugs, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Weber, Cecelia" <[email protected]> To: "'Karen Mitchell'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: RE: [COHUERFA]Thank You!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for the South St Marys photos. I found my Aunt Cecilia Manzanares who died as a baby and my Great Grandfather Jesus Maria. They are great photos Karen. My aunt and other family members thank you also!! Cecelia S. Weber

Thank you so much for the South St Marys photos. I found my Aunt Cecilia Manzanares who died as a baby and my Great Grandfather Jesus Maria. They are great photos Karen. My aunt and other family members thank you also!! Cecelia S. Weber

This makes all the work really worth it! Hugs, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Janet Wasson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: [COHUERFA] oh karen.... Oh Karen--tears in my eyes, and gratitude in my heart; thank you so much for the cemetery photo's of my Duzenack family-particularly Mike and portrait that is on the stone. Oh, my gosh--great Uncle Mike looked just like his brother, my grandfather George. I have a china cabinet that Mike made for his mother before he went to war-I had never seen a photo of the man. We would go to the cemetery on Decoration Day with my grandmother, every year; but I hadn't been since I was quite young--I can not express gratitude enough.... Janet

Oh Karen--tears in my eyes, and gratitude in my heart; thank you so much for the cemetery photo's of my Duzenack family-particularly Mike and portrait that is on the stone. Oh, my gosh--great Uncle Mike looked just like his brother, my grandfather George. I have a china cabinet that Mike made for his mother before he went to war-I had never seen a photo of the man. We would go to the cemetery on Decoration Day with my grandmother, every year; but I hadn't been since I was quite young--I can not express gratitude enough.... Janet