That is a beautiful web site! Charles ---- "anniegms@bellsouth.net" <anniegms@bellsouth.net> wrote: ============= LaPlata County has been adopted and updated! Have a look-see! http://www.rootsweb.com/~colaplat/ AnnieG ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Forgot: Don't forget to update links to LaPlata! AnnieG
LaPlata County has been adopted and updated! Have a look-see! http://www.rootsweb.com/~colaplat/ AnnieG
More Copyright This subject must have a hex on it. My computer email has crashed. I'm using webmail now. I have a terrible mess in my MS Outlook. Anyway, I stand by my statement about copyright as I quoted from the United States Copyright Office. I see no reason we non-attorneys can not discuss it. It is not dangerous. The vast number of people never need an attorney regarding copyright. Save your money. I bought a 19" wide screen flat screen monitor today. I do a lot of work with photos. This wide screen is wonderful; I can open photos on one side and Excel on the other and type the data from the photos into Excel to create a listing. No more switching back and forth. Of course when done, the list is not protected by copyright. :) Charles ---- Karen Mitchell <km1109@ghvalley.net> wrote: ============= Hello Greg, The quote that is referred to pertains to laws that were re-written 7 months ago. Unfortunately, in our cyber-world, some web pages have not been updated in quite a long time, and although they may be somewhat accurate, unless they are in direct conflict with what was re-written, no one is in a big hurry to change the pages. Some of the advise that comes across on these lists is either totally wrong or mis-leading just enough for it to be dangerous. I am not saying that anyone is intentionally stating wrong facts, just that I've seen so much that is inaccurate. I'm sure we've all seen pages out there that really do need to be fine tuned in order to reflect the current accuracy. For anyone worried about copyright laws, I suggest that you consult an attorney. Karen Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Brown" <gregtbrown@prodigy.net> To: <cogen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [COGEN] Copy right notification questions Can you please cite "The laws..." that pertain to your comment about: Charles Barnum <jcnreno@charter.net> wrote: Alternatives for the symbol In communication media like e-mail or ASCII text, it is sometimes not possible to type or include this symbol. Some people substitute "(C)" or "(c)" since that closely resembles the copyright symbol. The laws that deal with copyright notices do not allow any deviations from the c-in-a-circle. It is thus questionable whether a court in such a jurisdiction would consider a "(c)" or "(C)" a valid alternative for a copyright symbol. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Greg, The quote that is referred to pertains to laws that were re-written 7 months ago. Unfortunately, in our cyber-world, some web pages have not been updated in quite a long time, and although they may be somewhat accurate, unless they are in direct conflict with what was re-written, no one is in a big hurry to change the pages. Some of the advise that comes across on these lists is either totally wrong or mis-leading just enough for it to be dangerous. I am not saying that anyone is intentionally stating wrong facts, just that I've seen so much that is inaccurate. I'm sure we've all seen pages out there that really do need to be fine tuned in order to reflect the current accuracy. For anyone worried about copyright laws, I suggest that you consult an attorney. Karen Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Brown" <gregtbrown@prodigy.net> To: <cogen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [COGEN] Copy right notification questions Can you please cite "The laws..." that pertain to your comment about: Charles Barnum <jcnreno@charter.net> wrote: Alternatives for the symbol In communication media like e-mail or ASCII text, it is sometimes not possible to type or include this symbol. Some people substitute "(C)" or "(c)" since that closely resembles the copyright symbol. The laws that deal with copyright notices do not allow any deviations from the c-in-a-circle. It is thus questionable whether a court in such a jurisdiction would consider a "(c)" or "(C)" a valid alternative for a copyright symbol.
Coyright symbol: Quote: "Form of Notice for Visually Perceptible Copies The notice for visually perceptible copies should contain all the following three elements: 1. The symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word “Copyright,” or the abbreviation “Copr.”; and 2. The year of first publication of the work. In the case of compilations or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful article; and 3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner. Example: © 2006 John Doe" end quote Source: United States Copyright Office http://www.copyright.gov/ http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wccc Hope this helps. Charles Barnum ---- Greg Brown <gregtbrown@prodigy.net> wrote: ============= Can you please cite "The laws..." that pertain to your comment about: Charles Barnum <jcnreno@charter.net> wrote: Alternatives for the symbol In communication media like e-mail or ASCII text, it is sometimes not possible to type or include this symbol. Some people substitute "(C)" or "(c)" since that closely resembles the copyright symbol. The laws that deal with copyright notices do not allow any deviations from the c-in-a-circle. It is thus questionable whether a court in such a jurisdiction would consider a "(c)" or "(C)" a valid alternative for a copyright symbol. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It should also be noted that the laws on copyright notice, copyright limitations, and copyright duration vary from country to country, so while you may copyright your page, that copyright may not be recognized in all jurisdictions that the internet will reach. -----Original Message----- From: cogen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cogen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Greg Brown Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:30 AM To: cogen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COGEN] Copy right notification questions Can you please cite "The laws..." that pertain to your comment about: Charles Barnum <jcnreno@charter.net> wrote: Alternatives for the symbol In communication media like e-mail or ASCII text, it is sometimes not possible to type or include this symbol. Some people substitute "(C)" or "(c)" since that closely resembles the copyright symbol. The laws that deal with copyright notices do not allow any deviations from the c-in-a-circle. It is thus questionable whether a court in such a jurisdiction would consider a "(c)" or "(C)" a valid alternative for a copyright symbol. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Can you please cite "The laws..." that pertain to your comment about: Charles Barnum <jcnreno@charter.net> wrote: Alternatives for the symbol In communication media like e-mail or ASCII text, it is sometimes not possible to type or include this symbol. Some people substitute "(C)" or "(c)" since that closely resembles the copyright symbol. The laws that deal with copyright notices do not allow any deviations from the c-in-a-circle. It is thus questionable whether a court in such a jurisdiction would consider a "(c)" or "(C)" a valid alternative for a copyright symbol.
in html it is © ; I put something like this in all my pages, a long time ago we were told we should copyright our pages. Copyright © 1999 - 2007 by Scott Scheibe All Rights Reserved ASCII is 0169 hold down the alt key and type it. © just 169 produces a line with a down right angle which Homesite says is a not sign. Scott Scheibe dsscheibe@earthlink.net http://scottsworld.info/gene.htm Alamosa Co., Costilla Co., Mineral Co. & Rio Grande Co., Colorado Coordinator, USGenWeb Project. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~coalamos/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cocostil/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cominera/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~coriogra/> Descendants of Capt. Henry WOODWARD <http://woodward.scottsworld.info/>
Don, It is a complex subject. Here is a bit more before supper. The copyright symbol or logo, C-in-a-circle or ©, is one of the most famous symbols in the world. Its original meaning was to indicate a copyright had been obtained for the work on which it was displayed. Today copyright protection is automatic, so no registration or inclusion of a copyright symbol or notice is necessary anymore. Still, the copyright symbol serves as a useful indicator that the copyright holder cares about his copyright. Origin of the symbol The copyright symbol originated in US copyright law. From the first US copyright law until the 1979 law, a work was required to have a proper copyright notice. Without a valid notice, the work was not protected by copyright. One of the elements of the notice was the word "Copyright". This word could be abbreviated as "copr." or the c-in-a-circle symbol (©) could be used instead. Form of the symbol The copyright symbol is the symbol ©, a c in a circle. How to produce this symbol depends on the character set used when writing a text. In the ISO Latin 1 (ISO 8859-1) character set used on the World-Wide Web, this character is item number 169. Alternatives for the symbol In communication media like e-mail or ASCII text, it is sometimes not possible to type or include this symbol. Some people substitute "(C)" or "(c)" since that closely resembles the copyright symbol. The laws that deal with copyright notices do not allow any deviations from the c-in-a-circle. It is thus questionable whether a court in such a jurisdiction would consider a "(c)" or "(C)" a valid alternative for a copyright symbol. On the other hand, there are very few practical circumstances under which the distinction between © and "(c)" or "(C)" is important. People who want to use the absolutely correct form under all circumstances should not use the © symbol but instead the word "copyright" or the official abbreviation "copr." source: http://www.iusmentis.com/copyright/symbol/ Charles ---- Don Stanwyck <don@stanwyck.com> wrote: ============= I'm not a lawyer or a legal expert, but I work in what is often called the biggest law firm in the world - Microsoft's legal department. As I understand it, the little (c) or c-in-a-circle symbol has no legal standing. On the other hand, you may have copyright whether you mark the piece of work or not - marking it just makes it easier to prove the other person should have known it was copyrighted. The practice of using a script that always has the current year in it is troublesome as the piece is copyrighted when you create it, not when it is published (as I understand it). However, copyright now goes to lifetime of the author plus 50 years or more, so it isn't likely to matter. don -----Original Message----- From: cogen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cogen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Barnum Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:16 AM To: cogen@rootsweb.com Cc: Scott Scheibe Subject: Re: [COGEN] Copy right notification questions Scott, I'm no expert, but courts have ruled that a work is copyrighted from the time it is published if the author intend for it to be copyrighted but forgot to put the copyright symbol and date thereon. This comes from songs being created by one person and used by another without permission even when no copyright was stated. The author has ownership. To properly copyright a work, you need the name of the holder, the date and the symbol or the word copyright. You can update the date as often as you wish. Charles . ---- Scott Scheibe <dsscheibe@earthlink.net> wrote: ============= In putting a copyright notification on the bottom of the page does it need to be copyrighted from beginning date to the current date or just the current year? Does it need to be in the metatags in the <head> as well? I've seen it both ways, are they both correct? Just the current year would be a lot simpler. There is a website related to where I work that hasn't been updated in at least 3 years. When I was looking at it recently to see how they were coding our logo I noticed the page had a copyright notice of this year even though it hasn't been touched since they put it up I think. I got to checking and they are using a Java script to generate the current year in the page so it is always current and you don't have to go change every page at the end of the year which I have been doing.. If I do the same does that meet the requirements of copyright notification? The Java script does not work in metatags. Scott Scheibe dsscheibe@earthlink.net http://scottsworld.info/gene.htm Alamosa Co., Costilla Co., Mineral Co. & Rio Grande Co., Colorado Coordinator, USGenWeb Project. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~coalamos/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cocostil/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cominera/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~coriogra/> Descendants of Capt. Henry WOODWARD <http://woodward.scottsworld.info/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I'm not a lawyer or a legal expert, but I work in what is often called the biggest law firm in the world - Microsoft's legal department. As I understand it, the little (c) or c-in-a-circle symbol has no legal standing. On the other hand, you may have copyright whether you mark the piece of work or not - marking it just makes it easier to prove the other person should have known it was copyrighted. The practice of using a script that always has the current year in it is troublesome as the piece is copyrighted when you create it, not when it is published (as I understand it). However, copyright now goes to lifetime of the author plus 50 years or more, so it isn't likely to matter. don -----Original Message----- From: cogen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cogen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Barnum Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:16 AM To: cogen@rootsweb.com Cc: Scott Scheibe Subject: Re: [COGEN] Copy right notification questions Scott, I'm no expert, but courts have ruled that a work is copyrighted from the time it is published if the author intend for it to be copyrighted but forgot to put the copyright symbol and date thereon. This comes from songs being created by one person and used by another without permission even when no copyright was stated. The author has ownership. To properly copyright a work, you need the name of the holder, the date and the symbol or the word copyright. You can update the date as often as you wish. Charles . ---- Scott Scheibe <dsscheibe@earthlink.net> wrote: ============= In putting a copyright notification on the bottom of the page does it need to be copyrighted from beginning date to the current date or just the current year? Does it need to be in the metatags in the <head> as well? I've seen it both ways, are they both correct? Just the current year would be a lot simpler. There is a website related to where I work that hasn't been updated in at least 3 years. When I was looking at it recently to see how they were coding our logo I noticed the page had a copyright notice of this year even though it hasn't been touched since they put it up I think. I got to checking and they are using a Java script to generate the current year in the page so it is always current and you don't have to go change every page at the end of the year which I have been doing.. If I do the same does that meet the requirements of copyright notification? The Java script does not work in metatags. Scott Scheibe dsscheibe@earthlink.net http://scottsworld.info/gene.htm Alamosa Co., Costilla Co., Mineral Co. & Rio Grande Co., Colorado Coordinator, USGenWeb Project. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~coalamos/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cocostil/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cominera/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~coriogra/> Descendants of Capt. Henry WOODWARD <http://woodward.scottsworld.info/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Scott, I'm no expert, but courts have ruled that a work is copyrighted from the time it is published if the author intend for it to be copyrighted but forgot to put the copyright symbol and date thereon. This comes from songs being created by one person and used by another without permission even when no copyright was stated. The author has ownership. To properly copyright a work, you need the name of the holder, the date and the symbol or the word copyright. You can update the date as often as you wish. Charles . ---- Scott Scheibe <dsscheibe@earthlink.net> wrote: ============= In putting a copyright notification on the bottom of the page does it need to be copyrighted from beginning date to the current date or just the current year? Does it need to be in the metatags in the <head> as well? I've seen it both ways, are they both correct? Just the current year would be a lot simpler. There is a website related to where I work that hasn't been updated in at least 3 years. When I was looking at it recently to see how they were coding our logo I noticed the page had a copyright notice of this year even though it hasn't been touched since they put it up I think. I got to checking and they are using a Java script to generate the current year in the page so it is always current and you don't have to go change every page at the end of the year which I have been doing.. If I do the same does that meet the requirements of copyright notification? The Java script does not work in metatags. Scott Scheibe dsscheibe@earthlink.net http://scottsworld.info/gene.htm Alamosa Co., Costilla Co., Mineral Co. & Rio Grande Co., Colorado Coordinator, USGenWeb Project. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~coalamos/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cocostil/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cominera/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~coriogra/> Descendants of Capt. Henry WOODWARD <http://woodward.scottsworld.info/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
In putting a copyright notification on the bottom of the page does it need to be copyrighted from beginning date to the current date or just the current year? Does it need to be in the metatags in the <head> as well? I've seen it both ways, are they both correct? Just the current year would be a lot simpler. There is a website related to where I work that hasn't been updated in at least 3 years. When I was looking at it recently to see how they were coding our logo I noticed the page had a copyright notice of this year even though it hasn't been touched since they put it up I think. I got to checking and they are using a Java script to generate the current year in the page so it is always current and you don't have to go change every page at the end of the year which I have been doing.. If I do the same does that meet the requirements of copyright notification? The Java script does not work in metatags. Scott Scheibe dsscheibe@earthlink.net http://scottsworld.info/gene.htm Alamosa Co., Costilla Co., Mineral Co. & Rio Grande Co., Colorado Coordinator, USGenWeb Project. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~coalamos/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cocostil/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cominera/> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~coriogra/> Descendants of Capt. Henry WOODWARD <http://woodward.scottsworld.info/>
In conjunction with the masthead negotiations/discussions, the Board and I feel that a contingency discussion is also prudent to have. I offer the below as discussion points only. We welcome all Project members to express their concerns, opinions and to ask questions. Please forward to XXGenWeb Project lists. Again, below is intended as discussion points *only*. Main discussion will take place on the -Discuss list. Subscription information is available at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/USGenWeb/USGENWEB-DISCUSS.html Please have courtesy and respect for your peers and the hosts of our mailing lists as we have this discussion. If you wish to contact Advisory Board members privately their names and email addresses are available at: http://www.usgenweb.com/about/advisoryboard.shtml Tina Vickery National Coordinator USGenWeb Project ----------------- Our USGenWeb Project bylaws state: ARTICLE II. PURPOSE "Section 1. The USGenWeb Project is an organized group of volunteers working to create an online center for genealogical research by linking every county in the United States. The purpose of this organization shall be to gather genealogical and historical information for free online access by researchers". Key phrase being: "free online access by researchers". The bylaws make no reference to which server any member or project of the USGenWeb Project must use. Long set precedence allows for the use of "server of one's choice." That choice extends to county, parish, town, special project, etc., and the USGenWeb National pages. As a Project, we are at a crossroads. Rootsweb and its parent company have been a very gracious and accommodating host for many years. And as a Project we would be remiss not to appreciate that. However, some corporate changes and decisions of late have placed the USGenWeb Project in a tenuous position. We need to evaluate their business decisions vs. our mission of providing " ... free online access by researchers." This is a huge decision and discussion. It is a decision as to whether or not to stay with our current host. It is a discussion I feel that must be held in conjunction with the masthead discussion. It is a discussion and decision that we must have as the USGenWeb Project community. The key question for the USGenWeb Project to discuss is: How important is it that we are seen in the genealogy community as the "USGenWeb Project .. Land of Free Genealogy"? Having answered that question, we need to evaluate many things. We have three domains: .org, .net and .com We need to consider hosting, specialized tools [php, db, etc], maintenance, administration, financing and security, to name a few. We need to make choices to promote the growth and future of the USGenWeb Project. Please understand these concerns are for the *national pages only*, but I feel a very important discussion to have with the entire USGenWeb Project membership. Bottom line is what is best for the USGenWeb Project? Tina Vickery National Coordinator USGenWeb Project
Checking in for Moffat, Garfield, San Miguel, Summit and Ouray Counties. Welcome aboard Kristina! Vikki Gray --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
Hi Kristina, Welcome to this wonderful list, I am Marta, an ACC for El Paso County. Marta >> Everyone welcome Kristina to our COGenWeb family. She adopted Otero >> County!!! >> Sundee
Welcome Kristina! Karen Mitchell km1109@ghvalley.net County Coordinator Huerfano County, Colorado http://www.kmitch.com/Huerfano/index.html Pueblo County, Colorado http://www.kmitch.com/Pueblo/index.html Taos County, New Mexico http://www.kmitch.com/Taos/index.html Las Animas County, Colorado http://www.kmitch.com/LasAnimas/index.html New Mexico State Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nmgenweb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Blaum" <bucknhappy@yahoo.com> To: <cogen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [COGEN] New CC Congratulations Kristina. Hope you find taking care of Otero County as much fun as we all do in taking care of our respective counties. Ray Blaum Hinsdale County Sundee Maynez <sundeecmaynez@comcast.net> wrote: Everyone welcome Kristina to our COGenWeb family. She adopted Otero County!!! Sundee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Wow! Thank you everybody for your warm wishes. After a long holiday weekend, it was so nice to see all of your messages. My husband and I had a full weekend - we visited some cemeteries on Friday in Pueblo County (St. Vrain and Roselawn) and then visited the Colorado State Fair. On Saturday we took in some high school football and spent time with family. Sunday was time for friends and today was the Taste of Colorado. Ive made some changes to the Otero County website so far, but still have some more to make and eventually information to add. Ive been working on my contact information and links pages and looking to write a few more Research Guides in addition to the Census and Marriage ones that I have posted. Have a look, dont mind the dust and feel free to drop me a line. Kristina Corey Fuiks kcfuiks@hotmail.com Volunteer Coordinator, Otero County Colorado, COGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~cootero/ "Well, an accident is something that you wouldn't do over again if you had the chance. A surprise is something you didn't even know you wanted until you got it." >From: Sundee Maynez <sundeecmaynez@comcast.net> >Reply-To: cogen@rootsweb.com >To: cogen@rootsweb.com >Subject: [COGEN] New CC >Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:58:11 -0700 > >Everyone welcome Kristina to our COGenWeb family. She adopted Otero >County!!! >Sundee > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message
Congratulations Kristina. Hope you find taking care of Otero County as much fun as we all do in taking care of our respective counties. Ray Blaum Hinsdale County Sundee Maynez <sundeecmaynez@comcast.net> wrote: Everyone welcome Kristina to our COGenWeb family. She adopted Otero County!!! Sundee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Welcome Kristina! Pauline Drobny Elbert County