I am really glad that they finally made that announcement. Something else I knew about but couldn't mention. Look you in the face and stab you in the back. Gail On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Lee Zion <lzion@plains.net> wrote: > If you are still asking yourself move or not move, take a look at this > blog. > http://blogs.rootsweb.com/newsroom/ > > Lee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: JoAnn Potter Riggle To: COGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Fw: Announcement: USGenWeb Project sites hosted on TGN/RW ("RootsWeb") Dear Colorado CCs, This was the responce I got. She never really address what I wrote, she just talked around it. Sorry this is late, I have been in and out a lot. JoAnn - Eagle County ----- Original Message ----- From: bluebear To: japotter@vail.net Cc: Tina S. Vickery Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Announcement: USGenWeb Project sites hosted on TGN/RW ("RootsWeb") You wrote: Acestry is a for profit site and USGenWeb was created as free information. I have hosted Eagle County, CO for 11 years and have put a lot of time and effort into the information on these pages. They get my information for free and then turn around and charge others for it? Unbelievable!!! JoAnn Potter Riggle Your message was forwarded to me, JoAnn, as a member of the AB representing the CCs in NWPL, and I want to reassure you that one way or another your work and ours will remain available at no cost. Almost every site on the web has ads or banners put there by the host, e.g., Yahoo or Google. Even the USGenWeb logos and individual state logos are a kind of ad or banner. RootsWeb has always encouraged (but not required) us to put its logo on our pages. I've done that on my IAGenWeb Marion County site, for example: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iamarion/ (scroll to the bottom). What's happening now with the banners is very much like that. In marketing lingo it's called "branding," and it's a hot idea among marketers right now. The problem is that Ancestry, which is now owned by The Generation Network (TGN), is, as you observe, a for profit site, and RootsWeb and USGenWeb are committed to free information for everyone. This isn't necessarily a problem, actually, but a lot of people are afraid that it will be. They're afraid that down the road we'll lose control of what we've done, and it'll be taken over and charged for by TGN or some other for profit corporation. So what is the real risk? Everyone finally has to decide that for herself, but I can tell you that the Advisory Board is trying to negotiate with TGN and RootsWeb to make sure that our identity and our data remain safe and free. We don't believe the banners are a threat in and of themselves as long as our identity is safe and our data remains freely available. But if that doesn't reassure you... I can also tell you that as the host of a USGenWeb county, you have the right to put your county on any server that you want. In other words, you don't have to stay on rootsweb.com. You can move your site to the server of your choice at any time. Some servers are free, some cost money. You'll find a list of both kinds on Cyndie's List at http://www.cyndislist.com/construc.htm#Find, among other places. In some cases, USGenWeb states may decide to move the state pages to a different server and offer space there to some or all of their counties. Iowa already has its own server (iagenweb.org) and about 1/3 of the counties have moved to it over the past two or three years. I understand four more just did because of their concerns about the banners. My personal opinion is that you can safely wait to see what the banners actually look at and how our negotiations wuth TGN/RW turn out. In the mean time you can investigate other servers and raise questions on your state mail list and elsewhere, so that you can make the right choice for you. Please feel free to email me or any of the other members of the Advisory Board if you have more questions and concerns. You'll find our email addresses at http://www.usgenweb.org/~usgw/about/advisoryboard.shtml. Best wishes, Greta Thompson USGenWeb Advisory Board NWPL-CC

Dear Colorado CCs, This was the responce I got. She never really address what I wrote, she just talked around it. Sorry this is late, I have been in and out a lot. JoAnn - Eagle County ----- Original Message ----- From: bluebear To: japotter@vail.net Cc: Tina S. Vickery Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Announcement: USGenWeb Project sites hosted on TGN/RW ("RootsWeb") You wrote: Acestry is a for profit site and USGenWeb was created as free information. I have hosted Eagle County, CO for 11 years and have put a lot of time and effort into the information on these pages. They get my information for free and then turn around and charge others for it? Unbelievable!!! JoAnn Potter Riggle Your message was forwarded to me, JoAnn, as a member of the AB representing the CCs in NWPL, and I want to reassure you that one way or another your work and ours will remain available at no cost. Almost every site on the web has ads or banners put there by the host, e.g., Yahoo or Google. Even the USGenWeb logos and individual state logos are a kind of ad or banner. RootsWeb has always encouraged (but not required) us to put its logo on our pages. I've done that on my IAGenWeb Marion County site, for example: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iamarion/ (scroll to the bottom). What's happening now with the banners is very much like that. In marketing lingo it's called "branding," and it's a hot idea among marketers right now. The problem is that Ancestry, which is now owned by The Generation Network (TGN), is, as you observe, a for profit site, and RootsWeb and USGenWeb are committed to free information for everyone. This isn't necessarily a problem, actually, but a lot of people are afraid that it will be. They're afraid that down the road we'll lose control of what we've done, and it'll be taken over and charged for by TGN or some other for profit corporation. So what is the real risk? Everyone finally has to decide that for herself, but I can tell you that the Advisory Board is trying to negotiate with TGN and RootsWeb to make sure that our identity and our data remain safe and free. We don't believe the banners are a threat in and of themselves as long as our identity is safe and our data remains freely available. But if that doesn't reassure you... I can also tell you that as the host of a USGenWeb county, you have the right to put your county on any server that you want. In other words, you don't have to stay on rootsweb.com. You can move your site to the server of your choice at any time. Some servers are free, some cost money. You'll find a list of both kinds on Cyndie's List at http://www.cyndislist.com/construc.htm#Find, among other places. In some cases, USGenWeb states may decide to move the state pages to a different server and offer space there to some or all of their counties. Iowa already has its own server (iagenweb.org) and about 1/3 of the counties have moved to it over the past two or three years. I understand four more just did because of their concerns about the banners. My personal opinion is that you can safely wait to see what the banners actually look at and how our negotiations wuth TGN/RW turn out. In the mean time you can investigate other servers and raise questions on your state mail list and elsewhere, so that you can make the right choice for you. Please feel free to email me or any of the other members of the Advisory Board if you have more questions and concerns. You'll find our email addresses at http://www.usgenweb.org/~usgw/about/advisoryboard.shtml. Best wishes, Greta Thompson USGenWeb Advisory Board NWPL-CC

I have sent out a first test message on the Cogenweb Google Group mailing list. If you do not receive the message go here: http://groups.google.com/group/cogenweb and ask to join the group. If you receive the message and cannot reply to it, follow the instructions in the message. AnnieG E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.204) Database version: 5.09400 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Gail One more decision for you and Sundee to think about. What happens to the "unadopted" county pages the COGenWeb owns at the moment? Move them to cogenweb.com? Leave them on Rootsweb? I would advise you to move them. (Include Morgan County in the decision.) Lee

Hopefully we will have the passwords and can move those sites. I have no clue where Sundee is these days. If anyone knows her where abouts please let me know. We had talked about moving Colorado when we moved Arizona so this will not be a shock to her, in fact, she offered to help pay for the server. Sundee hasn't posted to the mail list since around the 6th of February. Gail On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Lee Zion <lzion@plains.net> wrote: > Gail > > One more decision for you and Sundee to think about. What happens to the > "unadopted" county pages the COGenWeb owns at the moment? > > Move them to cogenweb.com? > Leave them on Rootsweb? > > I would advise you to move them. (Include Morgan County in the decision.) > > Lee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

We are at our new home. http://cogenweb.com and I understand there are a couple of glitches but they are being worked on. Please direct your sites to the new URL. I will be moving Lake and Chaffee as soon as Chaffee is set up. The URL's for those counties will be http://cogenweb.com/lake and http://cogenweb.com/chaffee The mail list is coming along too. Annie is helping to get all the coordinators moved to the new list. Looks like Colorado's move is almost complete. Thanks to all that are helping to make this happen. Gail

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Tina S. Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: > *Please forward to Project Lists* > > This is the latest response we have received from > RootsWeb/TGN to the comments and questions from members. > > Thank you all for your continued comments and questions, > and to RootsWeb/TGN for their willingness to work with us > and address them for you. > > Tina Vickery > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > > --- > > Tina, > > RootsWeb and Ancestry hyperlinked logos opening new > windows: Our other masthead implementations do not > trigger new windows, and I'm not sure users would > necessarily expect that (as it does not look like a > separate 3rd party advertisement where a new window would > usually be used). If this is a point of concern, though, > we should be able to set up the hyperlinked logos in the > USGenWeb specific header to open new windows. > > Manually adding the code to individual pages: We are > working to come up with an easier solution for users with > multiple pages. This is one of the main reasons we've > decided to delay the masthead inclusion, because we really > want to offer something user friendly around this. As we > know more I'll make sure to update you. > > Masthead colors: We are sensitive to our branding as we > have been working very hard across the company to develop > positive, consistent branding. That being said, our > creative design group is working on the masthead to see if > we can meet the branding goals of both sides. I will > follow-up on this as we have something. > > Thanks, > David Graham > > --- > > Follow-up from David re: masthead: > http://www.usgenweb.com/images/rootswebbanner/custom2.jpg [-tsv] > USGenWeb Project information can be found at: http://www.usgenweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you checked Scott's county table? it might be more up to date addresses AnnieG -------Original Message------- From: Gail Kilgore Date: 3/12/2008 12:02:32 AM To: cogen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COGEN] State Pages Today's progress: The domain name has been transfered from Go Daddy to Blue Host and waiting for it to show up on the server. Was told it could take up to 24 hours. Something is showing up http://cogenweb.com but the pages aren't there yet. The mail list is a big mess too. I printed off the addresses off the RW mail account and have been using them to add to the Google site. I am not sure who is who with some of these email addresses. They may even be long lost CC's. I have 16 subbed to the list, 19 invitations out to join the list and 1 membership pending. That is 36 total so now have to go back and see how many I should have...when it rains, it pours. This just takes some time, my main concern is getting the website transfered and that should happen soon. Hope everyone had a good day. It was in the 80's here today but going to be in the high 60's by Sunday so we are enjoying it while we can. Colorado will probably be getting more snow after this warm stretch reaches you. Gail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.204) Database version: 5.09390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.204) Database version: 5.09390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Finally got on the list and in the group, Gail. You are doing a good job! We appreciate it! Hang in there. All of the AB and SC's and CC's are in my prayers while we get through this. AnnieG -------Original Message------- From: Gail Kilgore Date: 03/12/08 00:02:32 To: cogen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COGEN] State Pages Today's progress: The domain name has been transfered from Go Daddy to Blue Host and waiting for it to show up on the server. Was told it could take up to 24 hours. Something is showing up http://cogenweb.com but the pages aren't there yet. The mail list is a big mess too. I printed off the addresses off the RW mail account and have been using them to add to the Google site. I am not sure who is who with some of these email addresses. They may even be long lost CC's. I have 16 subbed to the list, 19 invitations out to join the list and 1 membership pending. That is 36 total so now have to go back and see how many I should have...when it rains, it pours. This just takes some time, my main concern is getting the website transfered and that should happen soon. Hope everyone had a good day. It was in the 80's here today but going to be in the high 60's by Sunday so we are enjoying it while we can. Colorado will probably be getting more snow after this warm stretch reaches you. Gail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.204) Database version: 5.09390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.204) Database version: 5.09390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Oh, and thanks Leroy. g

Today's progress: The domain name has been transfered from Go Daddy to Blue Host and waiting for it to show up on the server. Was told it could take up to 24 hours. Something is showing up http://cogenweb.com but the pages aren't there yet. The mail list is a big mess too. I printed off the addresses off the RW mail account and have been using them to add to the Google site. I am not sure who is who with some of these email addresses. They may even be long lost CC's. I have 16 subbed to the list, 19 invitations out to join the list and 1 membership pending. That is 36 total so now have to go back and see how many I should have...when it rains, it pours. This just takes some time, my main concern is getting the website transfered and that should happen soon. Hope everyone had a good day. It was in the 80's here today but going to be in the high 60's by Sunday so we are enjoying it while we can. Colorado will probably be getting more snow after this warm stretch reaches you. Gail

Gail, Please add me to your contact list. And move, or tell me what I need to do to move, Elbert County pages to their new home with the state pages (when that happens). Thanks, Pauline Drobny Elbert County pdrobny@uccs.edu

I am sorry everyone, I will get these transferred as Google lets me add new addies. When I get them transferred I will try it out and do a roll call. I am not happy about this either but I guess Google is worried I am setting up a spam list and so they have to approve the purpose of the list. Yes, Jackie... there is concern that TGN/RW might, and I say might, shut us down so we are just getting prepared for the worse scenario. Gail On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Greg Brown <gregtbrown@prodigy.net> wrote: > Geees, I hate that folder. Any way I went through 2000 emails, found two > that should not be there but nothing from Google or you. Where can I find > this on Google? > > *Gail Kilgore <gail.kilgore@gmail.com>* wrote: > > Some I sent invites out to so if you got an invite please respond so I can > approve it and you might check your spam folder. > > Gail > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Gail Kilgore > wrote: > > > It worked for a few and then dumped a lot. > > > > Those that are subbed so far are: > > > > Don Stanwyck, Ed Black, Me, Pauli, Denise, Richard Koch, Scott Scheibe, > > Vickie Conklin, Mike Irwin and Sandi Barber. > > > > I will keep trying to add the names daily. > > > > Gail > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Polly Anna wrote: > > > > > I never received the notice, but checked and I'm a member now. So > > > something > > > much of worked. > > > > > > Pauli > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I must have missed the original message regarding the Google Group, so I apologize, but please explain the purpose. Will just the cogen mailing list be moved or will all Colorado county lists also be moved? Are you anticipating RootsWeb shutting down the list? Jackie Wilson Goddard On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Gail Kilgore <gail.kilgore@gmail.com> wrote: > I had some of you in my address book, please let me know if you were added > to to the group. Scott, Sundee, Lee, Mike were some of the ones that > should > have been added. > > g > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes. The urls are .../~colaplat and .../~cojackso/ They were adopted several months ago and updated and moved to Rootsweb, but they are registered to Colorado, not me personally so I can't get the passwords automatically sent to me. I adopted Grant the same time as Jackson and LaPlata a few months before that. AnnieG -------Original Message------- From: Gail Kilgore Date: 3/11/2008 2:45:44 AM To: cogen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COGEN] Attn: Annie Have you ever had the passwords for Jackson and LaPlata? Gail On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM, AnnieG <anniegms@telepak.net> wrote: > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.204) Database version: 5.09380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.204) Database version: 5.09390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Keep Douglas Co. on your list. JAN HERMAN COGEN Coordinator for Douglas County jan_herman@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Gail Kilgore <gail.kilgore@gmail.com> To: cogen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:18:14 AM Subject: Re: [COGEN] Google Group Some I sent invites out to so if you got an invite please respond so I can approve it and you might check your spam folder. Gail On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Gail Kilgore <gail.kilgore@gmail.com> wrote: > It worked for a few and then dumped a lot. > > Those that are subbed so far are: > > Don Stanwyck, Ed Black, Me, Pauli, Denise, Richard Koch, Scott Scheibe, > Vickie Conklin, Mike Irwin and Sandi Barber. > > I will keep trying to add the names daily. > > Gail > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Polly Anna <myauntpolly@msn.com> wrote: > > > I never received the notice, but checked and I'm a member now. So > > something > > much of worked. > > > > Pauli > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

With your FTP program just download the public_html folder and it's contents from the ~cogenweb site on the rootsweb server, then upload that folder's contents (not the folder its self) to your domain on your new server. Unless you are on broadband that could take a while. On 3/10/2008 9:02:29 PM, Gail Kilgore (gail.kilgore@gmail.com) wrote: > I have everything verified with the server and have the domain name and > now > I have to try and figure all the insides of all this server stuff out. > > Is there anyone on the list with more experience, than myself which is > all > but nothing, on moving the state pages? The domain name is at go daddy > so > it has to be moved to the server..... > > I am not doing > Arizona's, Mike Jarvis has done all of that. > > If I had some quiet time maybe I could figure all this out. > > Gail > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes! Grant, Jackson and LaPlata AnnieG -------Original Message------- From: Gail Kilgore Date: 03/11/08 01:54:36 To: cogen Subject: [COGEN] Attn: Annie Are you still in need of passwords and again, for what counties? Gail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COGEN-request@rootsweb com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.204) Database version: 5.09380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.204) Database version: 5.09380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Have you ever had the passwords for Jackson and LaPlata? Gail On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM, AnnieG <anniegms@telepak.net> wrote: >