And I concur with Gary on the Bartlett source. I will defer to him and others who work this line much more than I do. (HAPe4me tips hat to gary) In a message dated 12/3/99 4:17:53 PM Mountain Standard Time, GARYINORE@aol.com writes: > JOHN: both your mary who m. benj. banning and also phineas who m. rhoda > banning are well represented in the coe book by bartlett. if you want any > particulars, e-mail me and i will try and help. lots of data on these > people. > gary in oregon