HARMAN: your suspicions are well founded. most, but not all of this data comes from the book "robert coe, puritan - his ancestors and descendants 1340-1910" by j. gardner bartlett. this book has some really great charts on the early english side of this family and his sources are also listed. i have been researching this family for 25 years since it is a major line in my lineage and have yet to find an error. doesn't mean there aren't any but everything i have agrees with the book. i have the NEHGR for the first 150 years on 9 cds with 6 volumes of indices for these cds. when i got these, the coe family was one of the first that i checked. will send you a line on the ancestors of oliver and let you draw your own conclusions. give me a couple of days and if you don't get it, let me know. i have had nothing but problems with aol the last couple of weeks and my e-mails, outgoing and incoming, are not all getting through. at one time i was concentrating on royal lines in my lineage of ancestors but it got all so confusing i quit. they all married each other so came back to concentrate on just the ones from the immigrant to the present. gary in oregon